: Pyke actually does have the ability to access his list. The default key binding is tab.
> [{quoted}](name=nyakasgoods,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=4NlcJIzZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-10T03:48:06.118+0000) > > Pyke actually does have the ability to access his list. The default key binding is tab. I mean in terms of his gameplay, im sorry, I didnt clarify.
: People said the same fucking thing about Jhin. Literally. I'm not kidding. "Oh his Q is just Katarina's" "Oh his Trap is just Caitlyns" "Oh his Ult is just Xerath." It's not about the individual abilities that matter, it's how they all work together to make a unique playstyle that no other champion has. Zoe's W looks the same as Ahri's, but it does not play the same in how it's used. And it's not exactly random. Sylas looks like Riot's first attempt to legitimately make an AP bruiser. Bruisers, due to their close proximity and Melee-ness, require Mobility, CC, and some form of defense steroid to keep them in lane/fights. Considering a lack of legitimate AP fighter items, I can see why they'd go for both a Heal and a Shield. You're also trying to say that X doesn't need X things, but what exactly do you know about design? I know this card gets used a lot "YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING SHUT MOUTH ECKS DEE", but relatively, who are you in saying that X doesn't need Y? From just an ethos perspective, there's really nothing here to convince me why you're right, and your only argument is "he overloaded", which isn't really an argument, as it is a statement.
> [{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K6ozvV7e,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-09T08:58:23.662+0000) > > People said the same fucking thing about Jhin. Literally. I'm not kidding. > > "Oh his Q is just Katarina's" > "Oh his Trap is just Caitlyns" > "Oh his Ult is just Xerath." > > It's not about the individual abilities that matter, it's how they all work together to make a unique playstyle that no other champion has. Zoe's W looks the same as Ahri's, but it does not play the same in how it's used. And it's not exactly random. Sylas looks like Riot's first attempt to legitimately make an AP bruiser. Bruisers, due to their close proximity and Melee-ness, require Mobility, CC, and some form of defense steroid to keep them in lane/fights. Considering a lack of legitimate AP fighter items, I can see why they'd go for both a Heal and a Shield. > > You're also trying to say that X doesn't need X things, but what exactly do you know about design? I know this card gets used a lot "YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING SHUT MOUTH ECKS DEE", but relatively, who are you in saying that X doesn't need Y? From just an ethos perspective, there's really nothing here to convince me why you're right, and your only argument is "he overloaded", which isn't really an argument, as it is a statement. Thank you for saying this, I agree. It's how the kit flows together that offers a different experience from champion to champion. Every ability has some variation, there's no carbon copy. That's why I dislike when people hate on Pyke, or Kaisa, because while they're abilities are copies of other champs. {{champion:555}} Pyke was Riot's attempt at a AD assassin support that can sustain a win, and depending on the ADC, Pyke can be HELLA good. I would consider Pyke a success. {{champion:145}} Kai'Sa was Riot's trial at a Hybrid ADC, who can build depending on the meta, team comp, or matchup. While she was weak on release, she has a dedicated playerbase, with Kai'Sa being a viable adc, who I personally love to play. {{champion:518}} Neeko is a tactical champ, I understand that a good player can abuse her and make her feel broken, but she's about making unique and mind-tricking plays, that may seem tedious to some players, can really turn the tide for others. Not hating on anybody's opinion, but I agree with Academy Kayn, but I also wish u express your opinion. :)
Mordius (NA)
: My problems with Sylas' design
I have a feeling that his neck piece is more aesthetic, and less to serve any purpose ingame or in lore, but more to symbolize a metaphor, that while he may break through his chains, he's still contained by the status of mages in Demacia at the moment. It's like how Pyke has his "deathlist" as one of his taunts, but he never actually uses it in game, because it serves to build character.
: Brickyorchid8 has taught me one life lesson I will always take to heart. Hit. The. Damn. Nexus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34JvG5gY_U
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RbnpMEM4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-08T20:41:02.189+0000) > > Brickyorchid8 has taught me one life lesson I will always take to heart. > > Hit. > > The. > > Damn. > > Nexus. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34JvG5gY_U I fking love you dude. U make me proud.
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: Credit where credit is due! ~
It's to see some nice positive comments for a change. :) I agree, keep up your good work Rito! Don't let the little mistakes hold you back, and Keep on swimmin!{{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: Im inspired by your comment, I wish you luck on your journey.{{sticker:vlad-salute}}
> [{quoted}](name=JazzyMcJagger,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7Y5PHuGO,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-18T20:44:32.966+0000) > > Im inspired by your comment, it's so wholesome, sweet, and positive, I wish we could see more like this. I wish you luck on your journey.{{sticker:vlad-salute}}
ADC Yuumi (EUW)
: League of Legends finally made me decide my career.
Im inspired by your comment, I wish you luck on your journey.{{sticker:vlad-salute}}
Sukishoo (NA)
: There's a 99% chance that Morg won't receive any changes to her gameplay as she is mainly receiving a Visual Update.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pVuE4N6P,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-09-17T16:26:41.117+0000) > > There's a 99% chance that Morg won't receive any changes to her gameplay as she is mainly receiving a Visual Update. Yeah I know, It was just a little Idea I had, wasnt thinking much of it.
: The discussions here seem better suited for the Gameplay boards or even just General.
> [{quoted}](name=Whyte Lyon,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pVuE4N6P,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-17T13:41:52.374+0000) > > The discussions here seem better suited for the Gameplay boards or even just General. Oh sorry, I just thought it would be implied due to lore reasons, my apologizes.
Maisanai (NA)
: They're still working on the reworks, kayle and morgana probably won't be released until early next year (probably February or March). As for their lore, it's getting the retcon treatment for sure, so it's up in the air. I know when they first announced the reworks they said that kayle would be getting larger changes to her kit, and that morg would mostly likely stay very similar if not almost identical to how she is now. Gameplay wise, morg is a control mage, so I don't know that an execute would synergize well with the rest of her kit. Personally I think her ult needs an overhaul as it is, since it requires you to buy an item (hourglass) to even be effective in the late game. I doubt kayle will keep her invulnerability since it actually doesn't fit well with her theme imo, and hasn't really aged all that well. They want her to focus on being a ranged aa champ, so hopefully her heal also goes away, and she gets at least one skill shot which seems likely.
> [{quoted}](name=Maisanai,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pVuE4N6P,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-17T12:32:30.513+0000) > > They're still working on the reworks, kayle and morgana probably won't be released until early next year (probably February or March). As for their lore, it's getting the retcon treatment for sure, so it's up in the air. I know when they first announced the reworks they said that kayle would be getting larger changes to her kit, and that morg would mostly likely stay very similar if not almost identical to how she is now. Gameplay wise, morg is a control mage, so I don't know that an execute would synergize well with the rest of her kit. Personally I think her ult needs an overhaul as it is, since it requires you to buy an item (hourglass) to even be effective in the late game. I doubt kayle will keep her invulnerability since it actually doesn't fit well with her theme imo, and hasn't really aged all that well. They want her to focus on being a ranged aa champ, so hopefully her heal also goes away, and she gets at least one skill shot which seems likely. Ahh, ok thank you for clearing that up.
: I don't think Kayle and Morgana are going to be about Life and Death in the rework. I'm assuming they're going to be about Law and Chaos, Justice and Disorder. So I'm assuming their ultimate will reflect on this.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pVuE4N6P,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-17T06:47:14.381+0000) > > I don't think Kayle and Morgana are going to be about Life and Death in the rework. > > I'm assuming they're going to be about Law and Chaos, Justice and Disorder. > > So I'm assuming their ultimate will reflect on this. Yeah, I figured that would be the case, I just thought from a gameplay idea it would be cool :b ty for responding tho.
: They're probably going to keep Kayle's ult mostly as is. Morgana is not receiving a new ult.
> [{quoted}](name=KestrelGirl,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pVuE4N6P,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-17T04:31:06.209+0000) > > They're probably going to keep Kayle's ult mostly as is. Morgana is not receiving a new ult. Yeah, I agree.
: > I respect you for believing this if you do, I just thought since Kayle's ult is preservance of life (Life), Morgana's could be the absense of life (Death.) This is something I would have liked to have seen from {{champion:203}}, sort of a Lamb's version and a Wolf's version of their ultimate, just that little extra to make Wolf more present in their kit. As for {{champion:10}} & {{champion:25}}, it really depends on how you use Kayle's ult, for example, if instead you're using Kayle's ult as a 'power up/ steroid', making yourself an unstoppable threat to the enemy and the only solution is to wait it out or 'cc' Kayle. In which case Morg already counteracts Kayle's ult. I like the idea, however for Kindred more so, than Morg.
> [{quoted}](name=Wrathof300,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pVuE4N6P,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-17T03:26:33.566+0000) > > This is something I would have liked to have seen from {{champion:203}}, sort of a Lamb's version and a Wolf's version of their ultimate, just that little extra to make Wolf more present in their kit. > > As for {{champion:10}} & {{champion:25}}, it really depends on how you use Kayle's ult, for example, if instead you're using Kayle's ult as a 'power up/ steroid', making yourself an unstoppable threat to the enemy and the only solution is to wait it out or 'cc' Kayle. In which case Morg already counteracts Kayle's ult. I like the idea, however for Kindred more so, than Morg. I see what you mean, ty for responding.
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Ink Rose (NA)
: Character Design Analysis: Xayah and Rakan (League of Legends)
I love vids like these, that talk about Champ Design. Really Good job! 10/10 :3
Echo3s (NA)
: Gotta agree with you on this one. While Zoe is frustrating to play against, her personality is actually one of the reasons I really like this champion design. She's really colorful, has a fun personality, and looks great in game. I still despise playing against her, but RIOT did a great job of making her character look the part of a fun, colorful mage(even if she doesn't have to land spells at all to outplay you).
> [{quoted}](name=Echo3s,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-09-07T16:40:56.932+0000) > > Gotta agree with you on this one. While Zoe is frustrating to play against, her personality is actually one of the reasons I really like this champion design. She's really colorful, has a fun personality, and looks great in game. I still despise playing against her, but RIOT did a great job of making her character look the part of a fun, colorful mage(even if she doesn't have to land spells at all to outplay you). Well, thank you for commenting! I appreciate it, riot's art design is top notch imo :3
: I enjoy your post OP but breakneck action is not a way I would describe Cowboy Bebop.
> [{quoted}](name=I am Razgriz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-09-07T06:23:36.334+0000) > > I enjoy your post OP but breakneck action is not a way I would describe Cowboy Bebop. hm, you're right. the action's more reserved, but its very impressive to watch.
: > Overall I find Zoe to have been very successful You can't be fucking serious > She can be frustrating to play against Are you just covering for CertainlyT here? All of his champions have been and are frustrating to play against on multiple levels. > When a Champion is popular you play against it a lot so it can make that Champion seem more frustrating then a Champion that might actually be more frustrating to play against but you rarely ever see it in games. This is actually so insulting- you're literally attributing Zoe's horrible design choices and the frustration that comes from dealing with them to the players being fatigued with dealing with her. Is this bad PR or are you insane enough to believe your own words? Because that's not how you works, and you know it. Yasuo isn't frustrating because of his ubiquity (And he's not even that ubiquitous), he's frustrating because of his theoretically infinite mobility and eventually he can and will right click you to death and there's nothing you can do about it and god forbid you're playing mages into him, he can press W and just temporarily render your champion(s) irrelevant for a few seconds. Wait, why am I telling a Riot employee this? You guys should know this. I'm not going to tell you why Zoe is a miserable failure, you guys should already know, it's your game.
> [{quoted}](name=A Furious Poodle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=0002000100000008,timestamp=2018-09-06T20:58:21.704+0000) > > You can't be fucking serious > > Are you just covering for CertainlyT here? All of his champions have been and are frustrating to play against on multiple levels. > > This is actually so insulting- you're literally attributing Zoe's horrible design choices and the frustration that comes from dealing with them to the players being fatigued with dealing with her. Is this bad PR or are you insane enough to believe your own words? Because that's not how you works, and you know it. Yasuo isn't frustrating because of his ubiquity (And he's not even that ubiquitous), he's frustrating because of his theoretically infinite mobility and eventually he can and will right click you to death and there's nothing you can do about it and god forbid you're playing mages into him, he can press W and just temporarily render your champion(s) irrelevant for a few seconds. > > Wait, why am I telling a Riot employee this? You guys should know this. I'm not going to tell you why Zoe is a miserable failure, you guys should already know, it's your game. Yo, my whole purpose of creating this was not to talk about the gameplay side of Zoe, this is the story art and sound side, this is the creative side. I tried talking about the character ART design, but people still rant about how Zoe's busted in game :(
Reav3 (NA)
: Overall I find Zoe to have been very successful. She is one of more popular mages and despite some people finding her theme/personality annoying, many people love her and connect wit her theme. I also value that she feels different and stands out in our cast. When you look at our entire roster she stands out and adds a lot to the roster imo. She can be frustrating to play against, but that only one aspect of many that goes into a champions success, and often times a Champions popularity contributes towards the communities perception of a Champion, which is something CertianlyT Champions can suffer from. When a Champion is popular you play against it a lot so it can make that Champion seem more frustrating then a Champion that might actually be more frustrating to play against but you rarely ever see it in games.
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-09-06T18:13:16.436+0000) > > Overall I find Zoe to have been very successful. She is one of more popular mages and despite some people finding her theme/personality annoying, many people love her and connect wit her theme. I also value that she feels different and stands out in our cast. When you look at our entire roster she stands out and adds a lot to the roster imo. She can be frustrating to play against, but that only one aspect of many that goes into a champions success, and often times a Champions popularity contributes towards the communities perception of a Champion, which is something CertianlyT Champions can suffer from. When a Champion is popular you play against it a lot so it can make that Champion seem more frustrating then a Champion that might actually be more frustrating to play against but you rarely ever see it in games. I completely agree, couldn't say it better myself :3
Reav3 (NA)
: Ed from Coboy Bebop was actually one of the references (Of many) that we used for Zoe :)
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-06T17:05:58.849+0000) > > Ed from Coboy Bebop was actually one of the references (Of many) that we used for Zoe :) :oooo I knew it. Thank you for Commenting reav :D
Zapzya (OCE)
: I really like the idea of a god-like figure who doesn't take anything seriously even though the consequences for mortals might be catastrophic. I think Zoe's previous incarnation from Twilight of the Gods is a little cooler, but on the whole Zoe's pretty cool.
> [{quoted}](name=Zapzya,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-06T07:06:47.357+0000) > > I really like the idea of a god-like figure who doesn't take anything seriously even though the consequences for mortals might be catasrtophic. I think Zoe's previous incarnation from Twilight of the Gods is a little cooler, but on the whole Zoe's pretty cool. I agree with my boi, I agree.
: In terms of discussing the aesthetics and characteristics of a champion's design, ideally there's no need for one. What does it matter what your opinion is, you have gravitated towards this character and you enjoy the merits it has to offer. You shouldn't feel the compulsion to analyze and validate the 'why' because you've already achieved that personally. I myself have a fondness for the champion Zoe. I don't play her, I think her kit is (mildly) annoying, and her personality is subjectively cringy (that's not necessarily a bad thing). What I like or rather admire about Zoe besides the effort the devs put into her creation, is the amount of passion that has come from players towards her. The fact that she can generate reactions like that, which is different from how players react to many other Champions in-game AND in-lore is what makes her stand out in a positive way to me. If she didn't have such narassistic haters, I propbably wouldnt care for her.
> [{quoted}](name=Whyte Lyon,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RKIu7Kci,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-06T04:20:38.851+0000) > > In terms of discussing the aesthetics and characteristics of a champion's design, ideally there's no need for one. What does it matter what your opinion is, you have gravitated towards this character and you enjoy the merits it has to offer. You shouldn't feel the compulsion to analyze and validate the 'why' because you've already achieved that personally. > > I myself have a fondness for the champion Zoe. I don't play her, I think her kit is (mildly) annoying, and her personality is subjectively cringy. What I like or rather admire about Zoe besides the effort the devs put into her creation, is the amount of passion that has come from players towards her. The fact that she can generate reactions like that, which is different from how players react to many other Champions in-game AND in-lore is what makes her stand out in a positive way to me. If she didn't have such narassistic haters, I propbably wouldnt care for her. Deeply profound, I appreciate the comment, though I never meant to justify my comment, I just wanted to observe if anybody felt sort of similar to how I feel, but I guess my execution could've been better. Thank you for reading tho!
  Rioter Comments
: An idea to put Summoners' Rift into the Lore
Oh, really? I thought they said they ret-conned it, but anyways thanks for letting me know! dont know what to do with this discussion now though lol.
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: How Aatrox should have looked (IMO)
I agree, it looks super dope and cool, and while Riot wishes to put in as much detail as possible, they can't overstock a character with so much detail, for several reasons: The details dilute into colors that overshadow the details You look above the character model, which means 60% of the model you don't see It makes it a burden to make skins with that much detail His hitbox would be too hard to identify for most players While I do love the concept art, Riot has good reasons for doing it the ways they do. :)
: Make Zilean into a Dr. Strange with the Eye of Agamotto. https://media.giphy.com/media/TG9P0GbjqzmrS/giphy.gif
> [{quoted}](name=Tesla Effect,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KMNYocJ9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-09T20:18:02.621+0000) > > Make Zilean into a Dr. Strange with the Eye of Agamotto. > > https://media.giphy.com/media/TG9P0GbjqzmrS/giphy.gif No joke, I actually like this idea a lot. Any details you would change and keep with the Zilean we have right now?
Necrozard (EUW)
: "Marty McFly and Doc Brown" Hehe that part made me smile, i was also thinking that it could makes sense and bring fun to the "duo" I feel they could be a "duo" like graves/tf, they can do good without each other , but together they achieve greater things "Zilean VGU" - yes, his visuals and skins are outdated - no , his gameplay is wonderful and skill expressive ~~(People will upvote VU and lore update , but not VGU)~~ > Ekko is focused around time traveling,while Zilean would focus more on time manipulation. I don't know how i can elaborate more :v Ekko goes back to a previous position Zilean restore someone's body to a previous state ;p
> [{quoted}](name=Necrozard,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KMNYocJ9,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T11:30:33.183+0000) > > "Marty McFly and Doc Brown" > > Hehe that part made me smile, i was also thinking that it could makes sense and bring fun to the "duo" > > I feel they could be a "duo" like graves/tf, they can do good without each other , but together they achieve greater things > > "Zilean VGU" > - yes, his visuals and skins are outdated > - no , his gameplay is wonderful and skill expressive > ~~(People will upvote VU and lore update , but not VGU)~~ > > I don't know how i can elaborate more :v > > Ekko goes back to a previous position > Zilean restore someone's body to a previous state > > ;p Xdd ty for that comment, I can see if there's anything I can expand upon, from what you said. Thanks :D
: > [{quoted}](name=JazzyMcJagger,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=akcEP41u,comment-id=00160000,timestamp=2018-06-06T02:15:29.669+0000) > > but please don't bestow all this blasphemy upon Riot, constantly stating how every category as a 100% failure, and how they're failures at the jobs they've been doing since 2009. well, to be fair on that. the Rioters that are working on the game now, are not the same ones that worked on the game 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago. most are now either working on "a new project" or have left Riot for one reason or another. now, that's not to say i condone the notion that Riot's employees are "complete failures at their jobs," i'm just stating something that i believe a Rioter has specifically said semi recently :)
> [{quoted}](name=Broken Fangz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=akcEP41u,comment-id=001600000000,timestamp=2018-06-06T06:57:22.539+0000) > > well, to be fair on that. the Rioters that are working on the game now, are not the same ones that worked on the game 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago. most are now either working on "a new project" or have left Riot for one reason or another. now, that's not to say i condone the notion that Riot's employees are "complete failures at their jobs," i'm just stating something that i believe a Rioter has specifically said semi recently :) Why thank you, I see where you come from with that. I also appreciate the kindness and respect from your post :). You can find a ton of toxicity on these forums. :b
: Aatrox doesn't need a rework even. His kit is fine and functional. Rework actual cancer that gives 0 interaction like Teemo, Heimer, Gnar, Pantheon.
> [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rREmGJ7m,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-02T21:31:46.723+0000) > > Aatrox doesn't need a rework even. His kit is fine and functional. > > Rework actual cancer that gives 0 interaction like Teemo, Heimer, Gnar, Pantheon. No disrespect, in my opinion, this is not true at all. The reason he's known as the worst champ in league is because he's in a role where there are many champions that fill the same spot, that do all things he's supposed to do, a ton better than him. His knockup range is bad, his poke is so small, hard to land, only good thing is that it has is a good slow, with a passive that a portion of the people who play Aatrox still can't wrap their heads around. He's either completely useless, feeding and costing games, to either snowballing so hard and 0 to 180ing everyone without a single shred of counterplay. Even for an Auto-attack based top-laner for his niche, why pick Aatrox when Tryndamere can fulfill the exact same job, but even better. He's just someone who has an interesting character model and design with being the first darkin, but his gameplay just feels so lackluster. Though this is just from my point of view, if you wish to rebuttal, I would love to listen! :)
: Id like to see more VGUs as well. However other then Sion and WW id say riots reworks have been complete failures. If you love the champion and its core identity now then 95% chance you are not gonna like them after. Thats not saying the reworks are not fun, they just are not the same champion. Majority of Swain and Talon mains before there reworks dont play the new version much. Riot just doesnt understand the reason why mains love a champion when they rework them. Most mains of talon and swain now, didnt like the old versions. I loved talon because of the teleport engage as well as being the "Ad aoe assassin" and that got completely removed for something very different. Swain used to be the drain tank mage that had a unique synergy with his abilties that made comboing his abilities worth 3x more then using them by themselves. Riot doesnt understand concepts like these and completely removes what was loved and creates something totally new. Some reworks end up being so bad that they end up getting reversed. -rengar and LB Other reworks solve non of the issues and instead make the problems worse or create new problems. - kat and galio and shaco And then there are the champs that fail in the desirability department and thus continue to have low play rates unless they become op for a patch. -yorick and galio Dont forget the final catagory of 100% failure in every catagory reworks. - Mord and Ryze. So while i understand and to a point also look forward to reworks, my past exp with riot tells me if u like the champion then play then while you can. **_ -Riot, ruining your favorite champions one at a time._**
> [{quoted}](name=Skeletons Grave,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=akcEP41u,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2018-06-05T22:09:17.347+0000) > > Id like to see more VGUs as well. However other then Sion and WW id say riots reworks have been complete failures. If you love the champion and its core identity now then 95% chance you are not gonna like them after. Thats not saying the reworks are not fun, they just are not the same champion. > > Majority of Swain and Talon mains before there reworks dont play the new version much. Riot just doesnt understand the reason why mains love a champion when they rework them. Most mains of talon and swain now, didnt like the old versions. > > I loved talon because of the teleport engage as well as being the "Ad aoe assassin" and that got completely removed for something very different. > > Swain used to be the drain tank mage that had a unique synergy with his abilties that made comboing his abilities worth 3x more then using them by themselves. Riot doesnt understand concepts like these and completely removes what was loved and creates something totally new. > > Some reworks end up being so bad that they end up getting reversed. -rengar and LB > > Other reworks solve non of the issues and instead make the problems worse or create new problems. - kat and galio and shaco > > And then there are the champs that fail in the desirability department and thus continue to have low play rates unless they become op for a patch. -yorick and galio > > Dont forget the final catagory of 100% failure in every catagory reworks. - Mord and Ryze. > > So while i understand and to a point also look forward to reworks, my past exp with riot tells me if u like the champion then play then while you can. > > **_ -Riot, ruining your favorite champions one at a time._** I respect your opinion, though the reason they do reworks in the first place is for the continuation of League of Legends as a game. As more and more people join the game, they see the standards held by new champs such as Pyke, Jhin, Illaoi, etc. Old champions are either very weak and unviable, (unless you do something completely off the chain like atk speed Teemo), or something so busted it can't possibly be balanced,(pre-rework Evelynn, Kayle.) What a portion of people who hate on reworks don't recognize, is that when they rework a champion, they're giving them an actual place in league of legends. While a lot of champions hate on Zoe, because of how she doesn't fit the aesthetic of League, and how her abilities are too busted, she still has the ability to fit in and be a viable pick in a team comp, rather than someone say Nunu, or Pantheon. I understand, the reasons of people missing the old champions that they used to play, (I know for sure I missed pre-rework Rengar before the Q got re-reverted) but you can't hate Riot, on the accounts that they don't care for you, and your enjoyable for their games, it's actually, no offense, pretty selfish. They do all this, for us. They rework the champions, for us to enjoy them more, to admire their lore, art, and gameplay, for us to not rage at how stupidly dumb Tryndamere can ACTUALLY 1v5 A WHOLE TEAM, they do all this for the game to be not just catered to a certain group. I know I sound like a Riot Fanboy, and I know Riot makes mistakes (Morde Rework :b) but please don't bestow all this blasphemy upon Riot, constantly stating how every category as a 100% failure, and how they're failures at the jobs they've been doing since 2009. I know I probably have some inconsistencies in my argument somewhere that will get pointed out to me, I just wish to share my opinion on how we can provide Riot with critique without us flaming them not fulfilling on everything we ask. I love you guys man, even the ones who flame me in my Ranked games, so please just hear me out.
: Make Zilean into a Dr. Strange with the Eye of Agamotto. https://media.giphy.com/media/TG9P0GbjqzmrS/giphy.gif
: > Zilean could be originally from a Runeterra that's been through the cataclysm of the runes Ryze warned of, but was lucky enough to time travel to this world to prevent it from happening here, but he should have NO relationships to the void. I feel his allies would be: Well you cant come from Icathia and not have some connection to the Void. Neither can you prevent the Rune Wars from happening in the prime lore when they already happened. And if they were prevented, that's bye bye to Evelynn too.
Huh, looks like I overstepped, I'm not so aware with Zilean's lore since he's been retconned, I had a hard time keeping up, but thank you for telling me!
Necrozard (EUW)
: Does sounds like a great idea
I agree as well, I genuinely like the distinction between the two, care to elaborate more? And thank you for responding! :D
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MoonStar (NA)
: Perhaps if they made a skin or event that would push the other lore forward (like the journal of justice?) Maybe he will have a lore appropriate skin with armor and what not? I think he's a charming guy, I liked his rework but I think he's a bit silly since he kind of did walk away from his duty and indirectly caused the loss of his fellow soldiers on their post in Demacia. I want him to reference this. Maybe more about this between him and Garen?
That's actually what I really look forward to, I think Riot needs to add more context to already reworked/non reworked champions to keep them fresh and withstanding. Ty for ur post!
A Nunu (NA)
: Where's Taric the Gay when you need him
He ascended past the mountaintops and clouds in the sky. He's soaring the cosmos, figuring out information of the unknown. U won't be forgetten, Gucci Tushie Taric.
KoKoboto (NA)
: tl;dr
ur right, I should do that :b ty.
Rioter Comments
: In all fairness, the Warwick rework is still probably my favorite rework, "Special Thing" notwithstanding. I am saddened by less emphasis on his connection to Soraka, but gameplay-wise and story-wise he _feels_ like Warwick, but expanded and improved upon. I'll admit the machine and chemical bits added onto him was in order to connect him more with Zaun, and I feel it did the trick, even if I still think it's a little odd. With Shen, I felt he already had a lot going for him. He's a sage ninja kind of trope, but his connection to Ionia and their history is what made him not just a standard trope (similar to Warwick with Zaun in that regard). The spirit thing feels a little tacked on, particularly gameplay as it feels like this..thing that just drags behind you until you decide to use it. Not at all like a weapon you control like a precise ninja would, or even like you might expect a "spirit sword" to control. Add to this the fact that Jhin's storyline and it's subsequent revelations about Shen and Zed did way more to make Shen distinct from the standard trope than the whole spirit aspect did, and it makes this added element feel unneeded.
Valid points, thank you for responding!
: Some Discussion on the New Swain
I do surely respect your opinion, (which I appreciate, because it's sincere, polite, and well-intentioned,) though I would like to counter-argue what you mean by "special thing." Riot has a smart mindset and philosophy of, if you take a character or archetype, put your spin on it, then not only will people find it interesting, it gives more opportunities for storyboarding and lore. Warwick pre-rework was a werewolf who was hunting Soraka (That was interesting in itself,) though in my opinion he was still a standard werewolf. Though with the rework, fusing him with machine is an interesting play, taking a standard trope, and making something else from it. Same with Shen, a spirit Ninja helps expand lore, (also gives him character and backstory,) and also Shen's spirit sword gameplay and visuals, if u like his rework is not, is very unique. I love when riot changes the playing field by making new ideas out of tropes, which is why I like the Swain rework. Thanks for letting give my opinion on this situation. :3{{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=G7K7se0j,comment-id=000300030000,timestamp=2017-12-14T03:25:26.885+0000) > > That would definitely be Pentakill Mordekaiser. Omggg I totally guessed Pentakill Morde, but another Rioter looked up the group splash and saw that he was covered up! I SHOULD'VE KNOWN TO CHECK THE LOADING SCREEN. Bless.
The amount of relatable-ness and personality Riot and Riot Employees make me so happy. I really love how Riot can be social, and willing to communicate with it's fans. I love you Riot/Riot Employees. (U especially LoveStrut :3) {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
: > [{quoted}](name=JazzyMcJagger,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YWPtolzl,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T17:30:41.470+0000) > > So is criticizing a company who takes the liberty to add quality of life changes just to make the community happy. And also, it takes time to rework a champion, and when they release the champ, they Can't GO BACK and completely redo the champ they just done. That's actually pretty selfish when you think about it. I didn't realise it was selfish to expect small QoL changes to reworks after 2 years such as Fiora's vital procs still having bugs or some of Rengar leaps doing ZERO DAMAGE if he uses his Q as an auto reset. I guess I'm just selfish for wanting Riot to make Rengar's ult not worse than Twitch's Q, because currently it *is* worse than Twitch's Q in almost every single way. Riot would rather add loot boxes than tweak champions to make them more enjoyable for their mains, and schmucks like you like to defend them regardless.
Eh, you called my bluff. Well played.
resumed (NA)
: thats good. they want the garbage to take itself out. an idea i support
Well, they also said they wanted to take risks. Is that not desirable?
: Well, not in a competition right here but appreciate your praise ._. You are right about the romance part but it's going to be a petty thing if they just go on with "you're my heartlight" mantra.
Yeah, that's true. Would be a waste of potential when you think about it.
: Kassadin re-lore though is as recent as the Varus one, they made a choice to delete the old Varus for questinable results. And the new Varus Lore (human/s soul/s fighting in the body of them and a powerful stranger being) isn't that different that Pantheon's new Lore.
But Patheon is the Artisan of War, his battle against himself is not in the sense of romance. Varus pretty much put's a twist on it. And honestly, yeah ur right bout the first part. WP Stars Shaper, WP. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: Oh yes, instead of criticising problems with game balance and design, let's just pretend everything is fine and allow riot to continue in the direction they're going, constantly powercreeping the game and adding more and more mobility whilst never giving older champions a leg up into the game. Reworking champions and completely ignoring all of the feedback about the reworks and refusing to ever revert or change the majority of them. The only thing Riot employees seem to be good at is making placating comments to try to plug the cracks in the dam, and aggravating the community unintentionally.
So is criticizing a company who takes the liberty to add quality of life changes just to make the community happy. And also, it takes time to rework a champion, and when they release the champ, they Can't GO BACK and completely redo the champ they just done. That's actually pretty selfish when you think about it.
: That's a great point. Doesn't matter if the story is good or not but at least the character is gay and to a large section of the internet, 'an attack on one gay is an attack on all'.
That's the thing tho, what makes it officially bad? It's all opinionated, it may be bad to you, but not to someone else. And that's what Riot realizes, so it's not an issue that much to them anymore.
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