: When's the next AMA for a PB Mod?
There's a few reasons that come to mind, beyond Djinn's very reasonable "this is still just a game" point. 1) This kills champ trading. I have a few champs that I've purchased 100% to trade in champ select, like Kaisa and Pyke. 2) It's perfectly legal to play multiple accounts, so folks may learn a champ on one account and then first-time them on their main in ranked. 3) This certainly doesn't apply to my Silver 1 ass, but my understanding is that at a certain level of play, norms just aren't valid practice. For the same reason that you or I probably wouldn't bother using a champ in Bots before norms. For me in silver, I simply gain zero experience learning a champ by beating up intermediate bots. I think a Diamond+ player would feel the same about unranked play. 4) Similar to #3, the better you get, the more transferable those skills are to other champs. Especially mechanically straightforward ones. Like, I've never played Tryndamere, but I'm comfortable on bruisers and am well-aware of his mechanics and strategy, so I don't think it would be unrealistic for me to first-time him in ranked. I've played Lux once ever in a one-for-all, but I'd probably pick her if I somehow got autofilled mid.
: Chat restriction for 10 days.. Because of this??
You know, there's a SIGNIFICANTLY better way of expressing your strategy than repeating "no ganks" followed by "learn to read". This reads like you wanting to bait an argument. Why not take a couple seconds to actually speak to your teammates like human beings?
: Unjust ban, change my mind.
I skimmed this (it's a LOT to read), so forgive me if my interpretation is inaccurate. It seems that your wife or ex-wife went on your account while you were deployed, use scripts, and got you banned. The issue is less where YOU were, and more that your account was accessed with your password (not acquired through means such as hacking/kelogging/etc.) and used to break the rules. Now, you didn't mention when you shipped out, but your match history suggests you left roughly at the end of May in 2016, and I'm guessing your then-wife began using your account and is responsible for the games late that year, up until the point that it got banned. So, your then-wife accessed your account with your password, scripted, and got banned. This suggests one of two things: Either she accessed your account with your blessing, which is grounds for being banned, or she accessed your account without your knowledge, which is out of your control but very difficult to prove. I accept you may have been screwed over here (though impartially, I think there's a decent chance you just let your wife use your account while you were away), but two years later it's going to be a bitch and a half to do anything about it. If you're on reasonable terms with your ex, you might get her to submit her own ticket taking responsibility and asserting that you had no knowledge of her actions at the time, but even then you're going to have an impossible time demonstrating that she's not just lying on your behalf. Unfortunately, I think this boils down to the reason why Riot states that you're responsible for your own account security. Since your account was accessed by another person without hacking, it's assumed to be willfully shared. Challenging that assumption may be correct in this instance, but would make it virtually impossible to prove account sharing in any other situation.
Michyon (NA)
: I am not scared, its not fraud and Riot has a problem with it? They can take me to court. I highly doubt any judge will take the side of a Chinese Gaming corporation who has the worst rating on the BB. Come at me bro, clearly you are a polite puppy who is brainwashed by corporate mentality who thinks there are no repercussions by using TOS as an excuse to be lazy, automate and screw legitimate customers because they don't have time to use humans.
If you don’t use the “reply” button, nobody can see who you’re whining to.
: Sooooooo someone wanna explain to me why Hashinshin got banned?
I’m a silver 1 toplaner, and I can’t fathom playing that badly. The first few deaths were bad luck and cheese, sure. But eventually he’s just picking awful fights again and again. For somebody closer to my elo, I’d call it inexperience or tilt. But Hash should %100 know better. Though to be clear, I watched the clip sound off.
: Intentionally Feeding or Innocent?
He might just suck. Lots of players have shit awareness.
: Chat restricted and honor locked(I believe unfairly)
How in the fuck are we supposed to know local slang from one high school? “Neck yourself” has been synonymous with “hang yourself” for a while. You’re lucky you didn’t get a 14-day.
Mr Tyson (NA)
: Hashinshin ban is inexcuseable by RIOT, and if anything Smurfing should be banned.
So, we gonna get a link to the game in question, or...
: Obnoxious, entitled playerbase spells the end for league By the end of S9
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lVioIBw9,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-10-22T17:54:55.334+0000) > > I assume you mean Star Wars Galaxies or similar? Jedi Outcast was a single-player game with some local multiplayer options... No I'm talking about Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. (the sequel to the excellent Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight that came out back when 3dfx, Quake2, and the ---wait for it --- MATROX millennium ) were king. Yes--I've been around awhile. It had a lot of multiplayer servers originally. I played it. The lightsaber combat was sort of silly as there was no way to manually block another attack, and the infamous "DFA" (death from above) move was an instant 1 shot. (originally this overpowered attack was in Drakan: Order of the Flame, another multiplayer game that had a small but thriving community for a long time. Yes I played that too). But the attitudes of the server mods, people's toxicity and elitist attitude started destroying the game as it got older, forcing everyone to bend to their absurd rules to "mimic" realistic star wars saber combat (like NO jumping and only crouching, memory is hazy on this), or you would get banned from the server? It just devolved into a bunch of power hungry (German censored words). Nothing but ego and toxicity. Literally scaring ALL new players away who just wanted to play, unless you ass kissed the admins for forgiveness. it was disgusting. I got sick of it and just uninstalled.
My mistake, I owned it but didn't realize it had that much of an online community.
: I don't even recognize the game you're describing. Sure, there are occasional players that don't want to win, but those are pretty rare. You haven't played on this account since February, so I'm curious why you choose to post on this account, rather than the one you're playing on, and we could see these matches where players are supposedly not trying.
He got frustrated when people look at his recent match history, not understanding that most were doing it to point out issues rather than to shame him. He refuses to learn how to build properly, and then rants against the community when people get upset that their Janna has Youmuu's Ghostblade and Relic Shield.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ex7UBmxN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-22T18:00:23.290+0000) > > As one of the folks who actually uses chat for strategic calls beyond pings (ie. "ward baron pit", "don't fight until I'm 6", "1--3-1 stay safe", "I'm going to split top", "We need you to build tanky for this game", etc.), supporting such a function would dramatically affect how I play the game. I'd much rather people just learn to control themselves. u don't really expect calls like this in low elo?
Works decently for me in S1, hopefully gonna get me G5 before the season ends. I'm not gonna pretend I'm anything better than an average player, but it's not like being silver means you can't understand English. Sure, you get people who are too oblivious to read your call or whatever, but it works often enough for me to keep doing it.
: delete_chat.exe
As one of the folks who actually uses chat for strategic calls beyond pings (ie. "ward baron pit", "don't fight until I'm 6", "1--3-1 stay safe", "I'm going to split top", "We need you to build tanky for this game", etc.), supporting such a function would dramatically affect how I play the game. I'd much rather people just learn to control themselves.
: Bad words are worse than purposely losing the game
Neither is acceptable. Calmly report trolls and move on with your life. By flaming them, you break the rules and risk punishment, and you actively reward them by giving them exactly the reaction they're trying to provoke. Not sure how you know the other guy wasn't punished, by the way. Feedback reports aren't guaranteed, and are in fact quite rare. They may be pending a manual review, too.
: I upvoted the OP because he's right. I'm sure most of you here don't remember a game called Jedi Outcast and how the toxic, elitist community destroyed it by draconian rules and driving off new players.
I assume you mean Star Wars Galaxies or similar? Jedi Outcast was a single-player game with some local multiplayer options...
: So i just got reported for nothing?!
A) Let's see your chat logs. B) Calling for reports can contribute to a punishment for harassment. Report numbers don't matter, as any player with one or more reports will be flagged for review, and cumulative reports are redundant. If you want somebody reported, do it yourself. C) Feeding trolls is actively detrimental to both your current game and the community as a whole, which is why "don't feed the troll" is an internet mantra older than most League players. The correct reaction is to mute, report, and move on.
Xidphel (NA)
: Who's he?
Check past discussions. Just don't spend too much time doing it, for if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.
: I will stop drawing attention to a problem with the community, when said problem stops being true. But keep pretending your community is perfect and never does anything wrong.
If you ever had an honest point to make, it was buried under tin-foil rhetoric, smugness, an incredible level of abrasion, and an incoherent writing style. You don't crusade, you just complain, and badly at that. The sad thing is, back when you were actively playing on the account you use to post on, people (including myself) would actually give you really good and actionable advice on how to avoid the problems you encounter, as well as climb in rank. But actually changing anything about _you_ would of course preclude you from getting to write these manifestos, so instead here we are.
: Nah, not banned. But I know you dont like free thinkers anyways. so it doesnt suprise me that you arent happy to see me. But Happy to know I darkened your day.
You're still not a free-thinker. You're still a non-thinker. This is the exact same thread you've spammed 50+ times, and I wish I was exaggerating that number.
: Obnoxious, entitled playerbase spells the end for league By the end of S9
I truly thought you were banned from these boards. Not glad to see you back.
SonicAF (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UEgXy7oL,comment-id=000800020000,timestamp=2018-10-22T08:16:03.057+0000) > > As with your "mistakes" thread, you're unusually willing to take random internet strangers at their word. > > The support chat log mentions nothing about a changing of punishment tier from either party, and clearly Riot Support would prefer to deal with OP less, not more. Which is more likely: That Eva decided to further provoke OP by arbitrarily abusing her power to escalate his punishment, which would result in further backlash, support tickets, and possibly even professional repercussions, OR that OP is simply misleading us about the situation? That thread was not about mistakes. It was about ways you get banned while doing everything you can not to. While I believe that OP might've received another chat restriction during his current one, I am working with the core of the post - punishment getting escalated and abuse of power. Considering that there was a guy who got 1 week ban for chatting with support and having(arbitrarily) inappropriate name, I believe it might be abuse only from our standpoint and fully authorized action from their one. If this is the case, it would be a pretty awesome thing to know before chat starts. So instead of harrassing the OP we should probably ask if he has two separate chat logs for his 10 and 25 game punishments.
I'm not harassing anybody, but OP is at the very least misleading by asserting that the 25-game restriction, if it in fact happened, is in any way associated with this support ticket. Rioters are pretty open about when they're gonna fuck your shit up. And hey, if we're thinking about the same guy who had to change his name, that's on him. You don't report a crime wearing a "fuck da police" t-shirt with open warrants.
SonicAF (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UEgXy7oL,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-22T06:46:42.387+0000) > > I don't see anything wrong with the way the Rioter handled your case. You were told that arguing and criticizing *the way you did* was inappropriate and warranted a chat restriction. Feel free to share your in-game chat logs if you want others to weigh in on them. Why did she escalate in-game punishment to the next tier? How is it appropriate?
As with your "mistakes" thread, you're unusually willing to take random internet strangers at their word. The support chat log mentions nothing about a changing of punishment tier from either party, and clearly Riot Support would prefer to deal with OP less, not more. Which is more likely: That Eva decided to further provoke OP by arbitrarily abusing her power to escalate his punishment, which would result in further backlash, support tickets, and possibly even professional repercussions, OR that OP is simply misleading us about the situation?
: Can I get unbanned?
Your friends are idiots. Like seriously, this is the dumbest shit I've heard in a while. Gather those idiots and have them submit support tickets retracting their reports against you. If they were the only people actually reporting you, you'll have an actual shot at getting your punishment overturned. If other players in the game who you were acting inappropriately around also reported you, you're shit outta luck.
: Every "good" system meant to reward players ultimately is used to punish the rest
Haven't season rewards always been locked away for players with recent punishments? At least the new honor system demonstrates the process of reformation.
: Banned For Trying to Help Others
>chucklikepie: %%%%%% %%%%%% stfu Bruh.
: @riot RIOTER EVA afked from support chat without saying anything and abused her power.
Any support employee of any company bails on that conversation as soon as they possibly can within the rules for how they're expected to behave. Without knowing Riot's specific policy for "considering the matter closed", I think she did it by the book. Just because _you_ refuse to acknowledge the validity of your punishment doesn't mean it wasn't valid. All it means is that you're stubborn as hell. Riot support is actually needed for other players, and you can't expect to simply cycle through support employees to complain indefinitely. And honestly, thinking you have the right to an "abrasive personality" is bull. I don't know how old you are, but "abrasive personality" folks get skipped over for jobs, promotions, and other opportunities all the time. You don't get to just shrug and say "I'm an abrasive guy" like it somehow justifies being an asshole to people. If a situation calls for teamwork and respect, you're expected to show teamwork and respect.
: Just got my 13th pban
I hope I’m as cool as you when I grow up.
: Question about honor
I sincerely doubt it. But hey, you've got a few weeks. Make it happen!
: League is a platform for teens and up, hence the rating T instead of E. This is not a kids game like Fortnite am I right? JUST MEMING I play Fortnite it's a decent game. ANYWAY chances are if you are playing at night plus rank you are going to be at least a teenager/college student. When I posted that link pre-game no one said anything to me so I doubt people saw nor care about the link. People online tend to voice their opinion way more often than irl. I use not only league but the gaming chat as a whole to use my dark sense of humor and bring up random topics cause why not? It's fun engaging with people. You never know who you can become friends with. Plus people need to relax when playing games, not just league in general. But that's just me. Again, #CancleSouthPark
I consider 13 to be a "kid", to be honest. Not sure how old you are, but you gotta know that your sense of boundaries and humor aren't universal. Just because nobody spoke up doesn't mean nobody cared that you linked that. You wouldn't share that link with your coworkers, or with strangers in class, right?
: it was more of a question as to "what am i supposed to do in that game?" the enemys dive me, their jungler even camps my ass i just cant do anything. i'd actually prefer to afk because that way i dont give the enemys free gold.
Just focus on farming, let the lane push under turret and farm from there. There's no good option, but going AFK just exacerbates the issue.
: Honor system broken
Honestly, that's on you. The honor leveling process isn't a matter of grinding X games over Y months. You actually have to demonstrate reform. If you've been playing for six months since your punishment and haven't recuperated Honor 2 at least, you've been accumulating substantiated reports against you for unsportsmanlike conduct that have inhibited your honor growth.
: what are you supposed to do when your support tries to put you behind on purpose?
You gotta do the same thing as with any troll. Mute them, report them, move on. It sucks, but ultimately there aren't a lot of proactive ways of avoiding trolls. And honestly, while I can't swear that it'll happen often, I've had trolls get bored of trolling due to not getting any reaction from my team, and just start playing for real.
TrashTyr (NA)
: How is that different?
Verbally abusing your teammates is explicitly against the rules of Riot, sportsmanship, and common sense. Being drunk or high while playing league is none of these things.
TrashTyr (NA)
: Personally I write in chat how terrible my allies decision making is, so I shouldn't be getting punished for it?
That's completely different, and you know it.
: To show people how dark and racist some people can get. I was shocked someone made a song like that but instead of being outrage over the song I made a bad attempt of a joke and the whole situation. I blame South Park for my sense of humor.. I apologize #CancleSouthPark
And that's all well and good for a group chat with friends or Facebook or whatever. But you just tossed that at a bunch of random strangers, some of whom could be kids or otherwise sensitive to that sort of thing. Why is League your chosen platform for sharing something like that?
: Did this deserve a 14 day ban?
Why would you link that?
: Please add a report option for playing under the influence
Legality aside, this is a game and should be treated as such. If I want to play video games drunk or otherwise fucked up, it's my right to do so. Sucks if you lose a ranked match due to a teammate being less-than-sober, and I don't condone playing ranked in that state, but it is what it is.
Xidphel (NA)
: Even if it were true, would I be wrong?
Dammit, just let me make my standard layup internet joke in peace.
Xidphel (NA)
: Sure, kiddo.
> [{quoted}](name=Xidphel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WhOQEXuW,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-10-21T18:49:18.696+0000) > > Sure, blatant alt account. Fixed that for you.
kimo killer (EUNE)
: 14 days ban
SHOW ME DEM CHAT LOGS
Vreivai (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Lu8GtAzp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-20T21:30:20.975+0000) > And it&#x27;s not &#x27;virtually impossible&#x27;. I just did this recently. You don&#x27;t have to get all the questions correct, you just have to be able to prove yourself the owner of the account. And by the way, the guy you linked actually tried getting into an account he didn&#x27;t create, with the question he was able to answer. Making it so ofcourse they wouldn&#x27;t ask him those questions again. You didn't read enough of that thread, then. There's a difference between proving that you're the owner of an account, and proving that you created the account. For most things they only need you to verify that you're the owner. But if they detect suspicious activity, they'll require you to verify that you created the account. That appears to include, but not be limited to, information such as the exact date of account creation (I sure as hell don't remember the date I created mine beyond which year it was), the first champion you purchased (I don't remember that for myself, either), the date and amount of your first RP purchase if applicable (hahahahahahahahaha I'll bet <0.1% of players that have played for greater than 2 years remember that). Point is, if they detect "unusual activity" (which likely includes a new, distant IP address, i.e. travelling or a long distance move), you're likely to get permabanned with zero recourse.
A) You don't need to get the answers 100% right. B) I can answer most of those, can most people not?
SonicAF (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Wl8T0Vpn,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-10-21T04:06:54.190+0000) > > I disagree with plenty of stuff Riot does, and I&#x27;m sure that their behavioral standards are motivated by profit before sportsmanship. > > That said, most of the people complaining on these boards are, to put it mildly, assholes. If you spend an entire game yelling at your teammates, after multiple chat restrictions warning you against that behavior, you&#x27;re an asshole. It&#x27;s pretty straightforward stuff. League, like many games, has a &quot;don&#x27;t be a dick&quot; rule, and plenty of chances offered before it really fucks you up to break it. > > I&#x27;ve had too many games ruined by tilt due to players yelling at each other for bullshit reasons to think that policing chat any less than is already done could ever work. Banning people who used ZT in the past for minor negativity is not motivated by profit. Using chat-related permabans instead of prisoner's island is not motivated by profit.
Why wouldn't it be? Riot determines that players with enough infractions to catch a perma are ruining the game for enough people that permanently removing them and forgoing the money they'd be spending is sound business logic. Surely you're aware of people who quit this game because it's "too toxic" for them, or for similar reasons?
: Defending Riots Honor!!!
I disagree with plenty of stuff Riot does, and I'm sure that their behavioral standards are motivated by profit before sportsmanship. That said, most of the people complaining on these boards are, to put it mildly, assholes. If you spend an entire game yelling at your teammates, after multiple chat restrictions warning you against that behavior, you're an asshole. It's pretty straightforward stuff. League, like many games, has a "don't be a dick" rule, and plenty of chances offered before it really fucks you up to break it. I've had too many games ruined by tilt due to players yelling at each other for bullshit reasons to think that policing chat any less than is already done could ever work.
: Inactivity in chat should be bannable (maybe one warning, but still a very serious offense).
Using chat is optional, as is adhering to lane calls in blind pick. Blind pick _sucks_. Get to level 30 and leave it behind ASAP. In Draft, lane assignments are enforceable.
: One that does? That's all you could think of? No, wasn't racial, and you jumping to it being a race thing, is far more insulting to start with. Off top of your head you think of racial slurs, but I'm the one ready for vulgarities? Please, look in a mirror and do some self reflecting. There's more than a few words that rhyme with Pyke, if you have a moderate vocabulary and a half functioning mind. I'm sorry you're so tied to your race, it's all you think about or hold of any value towards yourself.
Provide an example of a word that rhymes with "Pyke" and is censored by these boards. Edit: OH, the lesbian slur. My bad. You're still awful, it just has nothing to do with me. My sincerest apologies.
: Well if it's censored then I can't be bothered getting in trouble for repeating bad words. My dead mother might spank me.
Read my name again. Sound it out. Now, not a lot of words rhyme with Pyke. One that DOES, off the top of my head, is a hateful slur for my people. I'm so glad that anti-Semitism provides a great "joke" for you, but frankly, your callous disregard for those around you disgusts me. I'm glad Riot spares this community from people like you. Good riddance.
: Just the people who are rattling off the same nonsense without any actual thought behind their ideals. Stuff people tend to get tired of hearing. And why paint a fake picture of my anger? I'm sick of their system. Being polite dosn't do anything, them kids I got next game where still the same assholes from last game. Regardless of my approach. You presume what I'm quick to, and you assume I'm eager to pick a fight, when I wasn't the first to type in chat, aside enemy team pyke going to be a horrible champ to deal with, and it was a rhyme, for the laughs. That's it. So clearly, you've got a picture of my person painted for yourself clearly.
Sorry, _what the fuck was the rhyme?_
: > [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kxJncOX2,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-10-20T22:14:55.519+0000) > > No, name calling is not allowed. "Trash. noob, idiot, stupid, moron, fool, reject, rtard, feeder, scrub" quit making nonsense up. It's a competitive game, don't call people names? Yes, this proves it's just a legion of thin skins defending a impossible and rediculous mantra. Gotcha. I'm just making troll accounts here on out. Clearly riot's lost it's mind, and it's mods included. Shit's cute. Especially when people spew some insult, of some sort, near every game, weather it fits your idea of name calling or not, is where the fallacy of "no name calling" comes in. I can't count how many people have never been rebuked for spamming prior insults ingame.
Have you ever played competitive physical sports? Serious question.
: Why was I banned? (Chat log included)
You spent the entire log arguing with and insulting your teammate, and the automated system rightfully identified this as toxic behavior. Your log clearly demonstrates unsportsmanlike conduct. If you are provoked by a fellow player, the correct response (both within the scope of Riot's rules and the rules of sportsmanship as a whole) is to ignore it.
: Was fun, but sad game, sad management.
You're insulting everybody that comments on this thread. This doesn't paint a sympathetic picture of you. The relevant context of your punishment seems to be that you're quick to anger and eager to pick a fight, which is pretty clearly against the summoner's code.
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