lWAXYl (NA)
: already made a new acc and moved on, no point in logging back in and getting logs to prove a point
> [{quoted}](name=lWAXYl,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UhEfoLoQ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-23T19:53:15.112+0000) > > already made a new acc and moved on, no point in logging back in and getting logs to prove a point Then who should give a shit about this thread?
lWAXYl (NA)
: Perma banned for asking for a gank
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: RIOT. Please make a second client for mature play!
I'm 27, and I'd rather get paired with a standard 16-year-old than somebody ignorantly ranting about "freedom of speech".
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R5hIuJR4,comment-id=0011000100000000,timestamp=2018-03-23T16:46:13.893+0000) > > There's a difference between advising somebody to stick up for themselves and advising them to commit fraud. You're doing the latter. That makes you either incredibly misinformed or, more likely, a dangerous troll. It's one with to fuck with somebody over online boards. It's another to bullshit them into committing fraud. I'm citing sources, contacting family members and detailing my actual background while you spew out curse words, ad hominem attacks and now call me a troll while not touching anything I've said....Anyone with basic logic is seeing right through you.
You're citing sources, sure. They're bad ones. They represent vague connections to the topic at hand that you're barely detailing. As for your background, I a) don't have any reason to believe you, and b) don't particularly care. Want to be taken seriously? Directly address your reasons for why Riot's terms of use contract should be considered void. A lazily linked Wikipedia article doesn't count. The overwhelming majority of people in this thread recognize Riot's Terms of Use as boilerplate for these sorts of games in terms of what the player actually has rights to, and people like the OP sign this contract every time the game gets updated. Address that, and *maybe* there will be something worth talking about here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R5hIuJR4,comment-id=00110001,timestamp=2018-03-23T16:21:21.776+0000) > > https://i.imgur.com/FghTHTG.png[/img] If anyone wants to know how to tell you won an internet argument; pretty sure this is a good example. To the OP, I honestly hope you make a serious attempt to get your money back. There will always be people trying to convince you not to attempt difficult fights but if you are driven enough I am telling you 100% honestly that you do have recourse
There's a difference between advising somebody to stick up for themselves and advising them to commit fraud. You're doing the latter. That makes you either incredibly misinformed or, more likely, a dangerous troll. It's one with to fuck with somebody over online boards. It's another to bullshit them into committing fraud.
: My family member (who works in civil rights law btw) said you need to demand your money from RIOT under threat of suit. You will most likely be refunded just for not being a gullible troll like these kids. Why? Because RIOT Games lawyers know that there is a probability that they could lose the case. You should especially threaten them with a class action. Why? Even at a 2% chance of success the loss of even $1MM would be an EV of $20,000.
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: I'm sure RIOT believed that their gamers were smart enough to dig through their contracts after haphazardly coming up with a new system to battle toxicity rofl. Are you really that naive to not know how many times people have won cases like this???
> [{quoted}](name=mnstryvii,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R5hIuJR4,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-03-23T15:58:05.418+0000) > > I'm sure RIOT believed that their gamers were smart enough to dig through their contracts after haphazardly coming up with a new system to battle toxicity rofl. Are you really that naive to not know how many times people have won cases like this??? I'd be *sincerely* interested in seeing you provide any examples of somebody successfully getting Riot's terms of service declared as a void contract.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R5hIuJR4,comment-id=0000000200000002,timestamp=2018-03-23T15:35:04.976+0000) > > It makes perfect sense in the context of Riot's pay model, and arguing a contract after the fact is a losing proposition. > > RP purchases only last as long as you own the account. What's the alternative, that permanent bans should result in full refunds? That's ridiculous. I'll just leave this here for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_contract
I'm sure Riot's lawyers are less-informed on contract law than you after some brief Wikipedia browsing, sure.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R5hIuJR4,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-03-23T05:05:51.099+0000) > > You have no ownership or other property interest in any of the Virtual Goods you unlock, regardless of whether you acquired access to those Virtual Goods using Riot Points, Blue Essence or Hextech Crafting. Virtual Goods have no monetary value. You can’t redeem them for cash. You can’t obtain any refunds for purchasing Riot Points or Virtual Goods, except as expressly permitted by us. You can find our current content refund policy here. > NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN YOUR ACCOUNT, AND THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO YOUR ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF RIOT GAMES. YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU HAVE NO CLAIM, RIGHT, TITLE, OWNERSHIP, OR OTHER PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE GAME CONTENT THAT YOU UNLOCK OR ACCUMULATE, REGARDLESS OF ANY CONSIDERATION OFFERED OR PAID IN EXCHANGE FOR RIOT POINTS OR VIRTUAL GOODS. FURTHERMORE, RIOT GAMES SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN ANY MANNER FOR THE DESTRUCTION, DELETION, MODIFICATION, IMPAIRMENT, HACKING, OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME CONTENT, VIRTUAL GOODS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING THE DELETION OF GAME CONTENT, VIRTUAL GOODS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT. > > > Good luck with that ROFL does this language actually sound like something that could be defended in a civilized court?? Judges throw out ridiculous contracts all the time lolol
It makes perfect sense in the context of Riot's pay model, and arguing a contract after the fact is a losing proposition. RP purchases only last as long as you own the account. What's the alternative, that permanent bans should result in full refunds? That's ridiculous.
: Unrelated: did you see you were quoted in this article about [trash talk](https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/trash-talk?utm_source=LeagueClient&utm_medium=OverviewTier1)? Downside: that article is on EUW for some reason. The real trash talking capital of League.
Wow, thanks for the link!
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rjQbLsME,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-03-20T15:55:16.504+0000) > > "Fuck" isn't censored on the boards. You're a fucking liar. Ive copied and paste it from the logs were it was censored damn your stupid dude
Coupled with the fact that the scroll bar blatantly demonstrates that you're hiding most of the logs, you're clearly being withholding because you know you broke the rules. You're wasting everybody's time, and clearly deserved whatever punishment befell you. And for future reference, if you're going to insult somebody, it's "YOU'RE stupid", as in "YOU ARE", not "your".
: If what you wrote was "fucks" it would have censored it in your post just now. It wasn't "fucks". Edit: As someone pointed out. It's clear as day in your picture. I probably should have checked that as well.
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: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rjQbLsME,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-20T14:46:29.763+0000) > > Crass sexual terms like this aren't allowed, nor is encouraging inting as a good approach for handling bad situations. Nor is using the threat of inting to tell other players to fuck off. The system can, in fact, identify these behaviors. Lol, what I wrote was '' fucks ''. I just wanted to win the game by using dirty tactics is that wrong? LMFAO are you gonna ban me cuz I said fuck off I didnt know league of legends was a 5-12 age game?
"Fuck" isn't censored on the boards. You're a fucking liar.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rjQbLsME,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-20T14:46:47.957+0000) > > Most of this log is missing. Did you forget to upload one or two screenshots? No that's all there was to the logs
Dude, there is clearly a scroll bar indicating that you're only showing us the last bit of the provided log. If you're not gonna shoot straight with us, why even bother making the thread in the first place?
: No, you didn't. There's a whole thread of people trying to help you understand why you were banned. You've also had many penalties and don't seem to learn from any of them.
Actually, while you're here, can we get some clarification on the subject of report calling? This thread unequivocally states that it wouldn't trigger a punishment, but other Rioter comments indicate otherwise. My understanding is that a singular call for reports isn't enough to trigger a punishment, but like other forms of light negativity, it can be pushed to the point of contributing to a harassment punishment or similar. Is this accurate?
: I got BANNED for this????
Most of this log is missing. Did you forget to upload one or two screenshots?
: DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY!
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: Why did they use game 3 chat logs? what rule did i break in game 3? you talk about how im toxic in the other guys while you resume to ignore game 3.
As I *clearly* included above, you called for reports and bullied your teammates with threats of action against their account, as well as specifically admitting that you were baiting them into getting themselves banned. I'm done talking to you, and I'd say there's a decent chance this thread will be locked. You're adamantly refusing to take any responsibility for your own actions or to listen to people explain to you exactly what went wrong. *You fucked up. This is the textbook result of your fucking up. There is no room for debate.*
: All you guys can say is i deserve to be banned for retaliating even just a a bit. like if you are harassed all game by an extremely toxic player and you tell them to shut up you deserve to be banned because you should have muted them instead? some logic
When you're explicitly on your last chance and haven't even had the privilege to play the game for more than two days? Abso-fucking-lutely. This was entirely within your power to prevent, and you've had multiple chances to adjust.
ESeTyRC (NA)
: Good for you. Go play normals. I play ranked to play with a team that intends to put some effort into winning regardless of end result. Can't remember the last time any sports coach wholeheartedly appreciated a team member that didn't do jack shit while shrugging it off by saying "it's a game".
Have you ever actually played on a sports team? I played at among the highest available levels in soccer, basketball, tennis, and chess throughout my childhood and into early adulthood, including being the captain of my school's varsity tennis and chess teams. I can tell you firsthand that, while I won't claim the weak link never caught some flak, it was understood and appreciated that blame among our teammates was pointless, unsportsmanlike, and potentially damaging. Yelling at your own team was something you simply don't do. You have my sympathy and agreement that somebody not honestly doing their best is a shitty teammate to have, but flaming them accomplishes nothing. And I also see no realistic way that Riot could enforce your request.
: like i said i really wanted to mute the renek but he was spamming in all chat saying i was calling him the n word. how can i ignore this? i knew i was going to get banned for no reason so i couldnt just ignore it. sorry i am only human
You weren't banned for nonexistent racism. You were banned for a bunch of other stuff. If somebody is lying about you in /all chat, you're welcome to say "I didn't say any of that". A baseless report won't matter. Muting, reporting, and moving on with your life would have worked out just fine.
: u guys sucks so bad xD
: i already know how biased the replies are going to be. Like it doesn't matter how toxic your teammate chats are, if you dont respond like a saint, you deserve to be banned. some kind of mind set...
You're welcome to ignore them. If some crazy person starts yelling at you in public, you don't stop what you're doing to yell back at them. If you do, expect people around you to judge you.
Ermin09 (EUNE)
: >There are roughly an equal number of rants posted on these boards claiming lack of action, as you have claimed, as there are rants claiming that Riot over-polices the community and imposes unreasonable behavioral restrictions upon us. So obviously I'm not the only one who's unhappy with this game. >This tells me that it really comes down to making sure your own perspective is accurate. What? I have no idea what this means. That I'm sure the other player is flaming or is misbehaving? >The individual you had an issue with last game (You're not allowed to name and shame here, by the way, so edit their name out) absolutely broke the rules. Edited. >If you look at some of the threads on this board complaining about action against their accounts, I'm sure you'll see that individuals catch punishments for similar behavior to what you witnessed all the time. You get PUNISHED for complaining about toxic players? >Please note that considerably fewer notifications of punishments are distributed than actual punishments, meaning that this person that flamed you and your team could very well have received an appropriate punishment without your knowledge. Meh, I guess, however I feel like if players were actually starting to get punished, this game would be a lot less toxic. If they are getting punishments and they're STILL misconducting, maybe it's time to get rid of them for good. >I'm not sure I understand why you assume he'll get away with it. This game has been toxic ever since..Season 3? It's Season 8 now. If this game was really starting to turn for the better regarding community and proper punishments, then we wouldn't have as many people complaining. Ask anyone to name an example of a ''game with a bad playerbase'' and I can tell you for an absolute fact that League of Legends is the first choice.
I'm not trying to bash you or shut down your point. I'm just saying that I think your perspective has flaws. If you look around this section of the boards, you'll see tons of people crying about their bans, for behavior identical to what you're upset about, as I said above. This demonstrates to me that the system is working, to an extent that is perhaps open for debate. But I heartily disagree with your assertion that the individual in question here won't be punished. All signs point to the contrary. Maybe they will escape justice in your specific case, but that behavior is clearly and demonstrably punished, up to and including the possibility of a permanent ban if they don't learn their lesson from lesser punishments. The fight against toxicity is endless. I simply don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, and I think it's due to two root causes: The MOBA structure, which encourages feast-or-famine gameplay and punishes teams for having bad players, and the F2P model itself. Neither will be changing appreciably in the foreseeable future. In the meantime, Riot's system does its best to pick out the bad eggs and give them chat restrictions, suspensions, and permanent bans as appropriate. I'm sure Riot is open to well-informed suggestions as to how their system may be improved, but to suggest it's not even functioning is quite incorrect.
ESeTyRC (NA)
: You Guys Need A Ranked Queue Ban "It's A Game" Should Not Fly Here
The difference between a win and a loss in a game of League should be the least important part of your day. I'm not saying League doesn't matter at all. You're welcome to invest energy and interest into video games, and attach a sense of accomplishment or worth in your account standing and rank. If breaking into the next rank is important to you, then more power to you! I'm not gonna bash on your priorities. I'm a huge gamer myself. But an individual match is just that; an individual match. Not something worth losing your mind over. So if you're the sort of poorly-adjusted ass that unloads a tirade of creative hate on somebody for daring to under-perform in your match... expect to hear that it's just a game. Because it is.
: bully victim banned by trolls abusing automated feedback system
Insulting your teammates, spamming to FF, calling for reports, turning every bad situation into a blame game, and attempting to use threats of the IFS actioning your teammates' accounts to bully them. Pretty toxic, dude. Looks like you've been back from your 14-day ban for less than 48 hours, conceivably for similar conduct. So I can't imagine how this would be a surprise to you. You've been warned that unsportsmanlike conduct and treating your team like garbage would get you banned, and now it has.
130x (NA)
: All mute function
I'd rather not give the option to people. As somebody who doesn't flame and does use chat to convey strategic info, I'm unfairly punished by implementing this system. Currently, I have a reasonable expectation that everybody will be able to see what I say at the start of each match, and I give them no reason to mute me. When you allow players to opt out of chat entirely in this way, I lose the expectation that my communication will be heard.
: bully victim banned by trolls abusing automated feedback system
Expect extreme skepticism pending those logs actually being shown. Copy+paste ain't hard. It's also common knowledge that gang reports carry no more weight than a single report, so that excuse doesn't hold water.
Ermin09 (EUNE)
: When is Riot finally going to take this game seriously?
There are roughly an equal number of rants posted on these boards claiming lack of action, as you have claimed, as there are rants claiming that Riot over-polices the community and imposes unreasonable behavioral restrictions upon us. This tells me that it really comes down to making sure your own perspective is accurate. The individual you had an issue with last game (You're not allowed to name and shame here, by the way, so edit their name out) absolutely broke the rules. If you look at some of the threads on this board complaining about action against their accounts, I'm sure you'll see that individuals catch punishments for similar behavior to what you witnessed all the time. Please note that considerably fewer notifications of punishments are distributed than actual punishments, meaning that this person that flamed you and your team could very well have received an appropriate punishment without your knowledge. I'm not sure I understand why you assume he'll get away with it.
: So.. what happens to all the $$ i spent?
Just gonna throw this out there: If getting banned triggered a full refund, I'd flame my ass off without hesitation.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y5RTfYoo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-19T15:50:33.292+0000) > > Do you enjoy making posts like this? > > Doesn't seem fun or fulfilling in any way. i should sue riot games. i guaranted you i have enough evidence to show the government that riot games in fact inflicts mental illness on people. i would win, and also make people aware of the damage of gaming.
*Yikes*.
: Scum Community
Do you enjoy making posts like this? Doesn't seem fun or fulfilling in any way.
: Judge the actions taken.
I asked for clarification and you respond with being even more vague. That tells me that your intentions are not honest, and you're only interested in twisting the words of others.
: Have you ever considered punishment without context?
I don't understand any context for this mental exercise. Are we supposed to judge the actions as positive/negative/neutral for the individual or the community? And what purpose does the "loved one" exercise have?
: Survey on banned or Restricted People
So, if I'm reading between the lines correctly, you used a zero-tolerance word or phrase, ate a swift 14-day ban for it, and then uninstalled the game because YOU don't tolerate THEM doing this to YOU... because your previous good behavior should excuse you from zero-tolerance policies? How close did I get?
: where do we draw the line on toxic?
Broadly speaking, toxicity is intentionally ruining the fun of other players through unsportsmanlike conduct. Somebody that can't emotionally process losing a video game and decides to scream at his teammates or intentionally feed is a textbook example of toxicity.
: This is what new players go through (warning graphic)
Your match history screams "smurf", not "new player". You're paired against other smurfs, for the most part. Mute, report, and move on. Naming and shaming on the boards isn't allowed.
mosaickle (OCE)
: Something funny that came to mind about 'Player Behavior'
Sure, probably. Because butthurt banned players are diverted to this part of the forums, and their baseless complaints get downvoted. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
: False accusation of intentional feeding
I'm the easiest fucking lay on these forums when it comes to seeing match history as a bad game rather than intentional feeding, but I don't believe you for a second. Most damningly, this isn't even the only example of a clear int game in your recent match history. Four days ago, you managed an astounding *twenty nine deaths* in a 33-minute match as Yi, and there are MANY examples in your history of purchasing full speed-boost items and just charging into the enemy against all logic to rack up a huge death count. I genuinely hope you get a perma as soon as possible. People like you ruin this game for others.
: Banned for nothing!!
I'd ask for your chat logs, but the fact that you volunteer your teammates' KDAs in this discussion paints a pretty clear picture already. But hey, feel free to prove us wrong. With chat logs.
: Is this still considered "toxic"?
I'm not sure how I'm meant to agree with the idea that telling somebody that real-world society is better off without them isn't a personal attack or insult.
: Why do players get so offended about my in game name?
It's not offensive. Personally, though, threats of feeding put me on edge. When somebody says "X or feed" through the written word, it's impossible to gauge tone to determine whether it's a joke or a serious demand.
anej00 (EUW)
: Perma banned
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kkcheet (NA)
: report system needs work
There is no majority report function. Show us your chat logs if you think a mistake has been made.
: so you're saying i deserve an INSTANT 14 day ban for EXCLUSIVELY GAME RELATED and non personal banter, that I wasn't even the one to initiate? Again to reiterate, the fiora opened fire on me and my team. I only offered criticism with a little choice (BUT NOT HATEFUL) wording
Not necessarily. If this was your first infraction on this account, I'd expect a chat restriction for it. However, since you're clearly a smurf (and, with a name like that, likely have at least one permabanned account to your name), the system is probably treating you without the same leniency they'd extend to an actual new player. This isn't your first rodeo, after all.
: not my teammate, an opponent that was flaming our team in all chat. for the record reform is a long process lol, i don't think that's that toxic. not to mention this was like 5 messages in the span of maybe a minute and nothing over the rest of the game, just as a response to her initiating some flame to begin with
That doesn't make it much better.
: Questionable 14 Day Ban
You named yourself "focus reform" and then went out of your way to insult your own teammate throughout this entire log. What the fuck do you think "reform" is?
: I got banned
> i am trying to work on my anger >but i don't think its fair to be called names and not respond. These two thoughts are mutually exclusive. Working on your anger involves ignoring provocation. If you're unwilling to do that, you're not working on your anger.
mah1foo (EUW)
: "comments that distract rather than help" are a bannable offense according to support
Thread number 4, really? Isn't spamming what got you in trouble in the first place?
Altáir (EUW)
: that's very sad , how do u play the game if u find this toxic.
By muting people like you who get off on angering people rather than actually playing the game? Unfortunately, I can't mute you FOR my teammates and prevent you from harassing my entire team, so it's a good thing Riot stepped in.
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