: The cries of the damned
¯\_(ヅ)_/¯ Honestly, I think this board primarily exists to deflect complaints away from Riot support. Most of the threads here are fairly pointless, both in terms of discussion value and in actionable information. So judge us if you must, but the way I see it, people who voluntarily wade into this quagmire are accepting any feedback, for better or for worse.
heroikc (NA)
: Confused on "exposed"
Is that even an insult? I once had an amazing game and was accused of being a plat/diamond smurf. Why should I take that as an insult? It’s a compliment. If they’re salty, let them be salty.
Dllesh (NA)
: got called a "%%%" and worse, and if i dont help them win I can be reported... i mean what?
The rest of your team doesn’t deserve you trolling just because one asshole insulted you. Mute them, report them, move on.
: No the meta is based off the PRO plays, Not everyone else. It is based off the LCS pro teams who spend hours with the same players over and over. Not the randoms who get stuck with new players every single game. You want to play meta? FINE, GO THE FUCK AHEAD. How many times do I have to fucking say it. But No, you dont get to use YOUR subjective view of the meta to dictate how -I- play -MY- Champ based on a way that WORKS FOR ME. YOU dont get to play MY champ and decide MY builds FOR ME! You want meta, go the fuck ahead But YOU dont get to call for reports on me because I dont build the ONE niche item YOU want so it can work for YOU, when I have MY OWN DAMN STRATEGY This community wants anyone who doesnt think like them Burned at the stake.
I wouldn’t call for reports on you. Hell, I know you’re not actively trolling, because I know you’re doing your best, so I wouldn’t even report you myself. My point is, you will always provoke players to accuse you of trolling, because your builds demonstrate a willful ignorance of game mechanics, and I have to sympathize with those players. How many threads like this will be made where other posters try to teach you game mechanics, and you simply blow them off? Here’s the funny thing: multiple posters here have mentioned Shurelya’s Reverie as an item you could have purchased. Shurelyas is NOT META on Janna. We don’t particularly give a shit about the meta either, we’re just appalled that you build youmuu’s.
: I am not saying the meta is WRONG. I am saying it is treated like a fucking FUNDAMENTALIST CULT. YOu want to build meta? FINE, GO THE FUCK AHEAD But dont turn around and beat me over the head as a "Troll" because I prefer to think for myself and build to my own personal strategy. You follow the meta and act like a god damn lobotomized cult sheep, offering up heretics and people who dare think for themselves as a sacrifice to the riot gods. You will throw the match for the sake of spending 20-30 minutes telling ME how "Troll" I am, how I need to be reported and banned because YOU dont like how -I- build. Because I dont build according to the "meta bible" of LCS pre-approved builds.
Anybody looking at your match history can tell that, for all your bluster, you simply don't know how to build the champs you play. Somehow, you find it easier to write these anti-meta manifestos every week or two than to simply take an hour and figure out WHY things are meta and HOW you could potentially go off-meta with success. Instead, you continue to do stuff like Randuin's on Ashe against a non-crit, non-attack-speed team, or Bork on Annie, or whatever the hell your Gragas builds are. I think you just simply don't know what you're doing. And before you say it, yes, I know you have a different account you play on now. I doubt it's any better. You realize that the meta emerges organically, right? Riot-suggested items usually suck. Meta emerges because it's what the community has found to be effective.
: Independent Thought = Trolling in 2018
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: Independent Thought = Trolling in 2018
There needs to be a forum report option that simply states "HavokDash".
: > [{quoted}](name=SoullessFlunky,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yky0iyPk,comment-id=000200000002,timestamp=2018-08-16T00:04:51.592+0000) > > If you didn’t wanna deal with it, WHY EVEN LOG ON?!?! I’m baffled. Because a very naive part of me regularly believes that this game can still be fun.
Not with folks like you running around, certainly.
: 14 day ban
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: Yeah I am I get honored all the time I just literally cant hit a checkpoint
Getting honored helps, but the real killer is valid reports against you. They're much more relevant than the honors you receive.
: Honor system literally not leveling
You can slow or even halt your honor progression by accumulating reports for negative behavior, even if those reports aren't enough to push you over the edge into punishment territory. You mention your number of games and your ranked climb (congrats, by the way), but you didn't mention whether you were sportsmanlike and considerate to your teammates. Are you?
Pawn01 (NA)
: 10 Game Chat Restriction - not seeing anything worth restricting here?
>Pawn01: I will be muting all in a minute btw Seeing this as your first line, and then the long log that follows, paints a pretty toxic picture. It looks like you're more interested in winning arguments and proving yourself right (and baiting your team) than in focusing on the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6TetE8iw,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-08-13T21:47:55.738+0000) > > "Defending your dignity" is the most undignified thing you can do in situations like this. please explain
Flaming an individual over a video game, _during_ the game, especially on your own team, is for utter losers. A game of league can never be important enough to warrant actively trying to hurt somebody's feelings over. Folks who flame are therefore demonstrating a colossal misunderstanding of appropriate reactions to social conditions, and/or an inability to healthfully process their own emotions. The only proper response is to ignore them. Responding to flame, perhaps in pursuit of "defending your dignity" as you put it, validates the otherwise indefensible act of flaming to the flamer. Suddenly, they have a real target to flame, and they will almost certainly continue to do so indefinitely. This causes the already unwelcome position of having a flamer on your team to get significantly worse, as the flamer is incentivized to put more and more energy into flaming. Additionally, if the flamer is also trolling, the act of "defending your dignity" qualifies as feeding the troll, which rewards and encourages the bad behavior. To summarize: going out of your way to defend yourself from somebody flaming you, through any means other than muting or ignoring them, encourages and rewards the bad behavior. Be the bigger person and just mute them. It's the dignified thing to do.
: RIOT REPORT SYSTEM AND MODERATORS.
"Defending your dignity" is the most undignified thing you can do in situations like this.
: Same thing I said to another person: Reducing an attempted discussion of the honor system to "lol dont get chat restricted" is not productive to the thread or the board. If you don't want to hear people talk about the behavioral system then don't come to a board titled "Player Behavior". If your contribution boils down to: "dont be toxic" then you are trying to shut down conversation in a board that exists to have a conversation about these topics. "hot tip" if you don't want to read about people talking about the behavioral system then go to another board.
Speaking as “the other guy” you said this to, I acknowledge that this position could be seen as unproductive, but I simply don’t see a more productive response. Your position seems to be that it takes an unfairly long time to regain honor levels, but that’s clearly by design. League has a bad reputation concerning toxicity, so the new honor system makes the difference between honorable and dishonorable rewards very distinct.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M4uv9hBJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-13T16:21:49.228+0000) > > How is that any better than simply ignoring them? You will (probably) lose the game either way, but sticking around for a few minutes spades you action against your account. Leaverbuster sucks. not worth the time. there are other things i can be doing within that 20+ minutes. if it is an automatic loss and i am not enjoying the game there is no reason for me to stay.
And that’s your prerogative, but it hardly seems like good advice. Most people are better served enduring a troll for a short while and moving on without penalties.
: Reducing an attempted discussion of the honor system to "lol dont get chat restricted" is not productive to the thread or the board. If you don't want to hear people talk about the behavioral system then don't come to a board titled "Player Behavior". If your contribution boils down to: "dont be toxic" then you are trying to shut down conversation in a board that exists to have a conversation about these topics.
Season rewards are a privilege. I see no issue with punishments removing privileges. Again, these things don’t just happen.
: how to deal with feeders
How is that any better than simply ignoring them? You will (probably) lose the game either way, but sticking around for a few minutes spades you action against your account. Leaverbuster sucks.
Lolak (EUNE)
: "Wtf" word.
Cursing isn’t against the rules. Cursing AT somebody is against the rules.
Keldjur (EUW)
: Riot Tantram: Seeking Clarity on Previous Ban
: I wonder if people like you truly believe that they are making meaningful contributions to a discussion when you post comments like these.
He’s not wrong. Chat restrictions don’t just “happen”. Honor levels are meant to be difficult to gain. The solution is to make sure not to lose them.
: Still haven't had a valid discussion on toxicity
This thread isn't going to be a "valid discussion" if you dismiss people as trash as you answer them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=B3WlFFzt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-12T15:00:11.855+0000) > > Then are you willing to not gain any when there is a troll on the enemy team? Well- We could make it so the winning team gets LP regardless, but the losing team at least gets to keep theirs.
Which would in turn cause widespread rank inflation.
: Got flamed the entire game for having a bad game.
Damn dude, never add toxic players post-game. It's just not worth it.
: This is worth a ban? really?
Your match history demonstrates that you play this game daily, so the 14-day gap between July 20th and August 3rd is certainly a 14-day ban. That means it's been just eight days since you were explicitly warned that further negative behavior would result in a permanent ban. These logs don't need to be "worth a ban", they simply need to be worth any level of punishment, which they are. You were on the thinnest of ice. It's clear from these logs that you value winning arguments with your team and making them feel as bad as possible if they're making mistakes or playing poorly. You demonstrate zero sportsmanship.
: Is anyone still genuinely having fun in this game anymore?
I go through waves. Currently enjoying the game quite a bit, after several months of complete disinterest in playing it. If you're a gamer, the best way to quit a game is to find a different game. I personally find that quitting multiplayer is best with immersive single-player games. I can attest that Dead Cells is quite excellent, based on the 15 minutes of it that I've played.
: Banning a player topic
Sure, you can report them via support ticket. Note that, either way, you're unlikely to receive a notification of punishment. Doesn't mean a punishment wasn't handed down.
: Reportable in some way? :/
If you feel harassed or insulted, report them for such. Sarcastically calling you an "MVP" is pretty mild, though. I personally wouldn't bother reporting for it. I might mute them if it became a bit much.
: Yes I will show them, how can i put my screenshots in a comment? I can't add a file anywhere
Upload them to Imgur and then link them here, I think.
: League is fun
Sticking around in post-game lobbies for this long is a terrible idea.
IQ2OOO (EUNE)
: Toxic GP flamed my mother
Why in the hell would you engage in a conversation with an asshole like that? Just mute him.
: Yes, I asked the return of my money. I'm waiting now for their reply.
Please don't take the above advice. Threatening to sue is a terrible idea for so, so, SO many reasons. You're the rightful owner of the account, and should be able to prove your ownership of the account via a support ticket and reclaim it. But we're going to need to actually see what Riot support has told you if we're going to be able to actually offer advice.
: Yeah, the community seem to be happy when their account that they spent hundreds of dollars on are gone!
I'm obviously referring to other people who would otherwise continue to be in games with you. You are not "the community".
: So being over competitive you should get punished? They could just perma mute players but that will make them less money since you wont need to buy xp boosts and such.
"Competitive" people don't belittle and berate their fellow players. You're not competitive, you're just a relentlessly unpleasant person. Riot doesn't want to make more money by forcing you to buy XP boosts, they want to make more money by keeping the community happy by keeping people like you away from it.
: Would not consider this bannable.
So, you were given eight chances to figure out how to play nice, and made zero adjustments to your behavior in that time. After admitting that, are you expecting sympathy from us?
: Riot banned me permanently for no reason at all...
Did you let somebody else use your account, either while you were playing or after you quit?
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6QVG85xg,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-11T11:30:53.208+0000) > > Yours is not the only time zone in the world. Serve your actual two weeks and stop bothering the forums with this crap. ?????????? IT'S 8/11/2018 4:43 AM. That's well over two weeks unless I have been duped or didn't make my point across. So INSANELY FRUSTRATED.
So, you're clearly trolling. Gotcha. Bold move when you want your account back, I must say.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6QVG85xg,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-08-11T11:18:20.431+0000) > > EVERYBODY IS HELPING YOU. YOU'RE JUST TOO DAMN STUBBORN TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING SAYING. I didn't do anything wrong in these past few weeks of waiting. If anything that's more wrong is giving false hope after such a long conversation.
Yours is not the only time zone in the world. Serve your actual two weeks and stop bothering the forums with this crap.
Ýisus (NA)
: They are also not saying they don't want you to. I think their action tells you what they want. If they wanted you gone for good - they would ID ban you. If they want you to have another chance, they will just permaban you. As they state .... ID bans are different .... ID bans are when Riot is effectively making the statement that they no longer want you on their system. With a permaban they are not making the statement that they don't want you.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/X2m9OOAQ-riot-support-does-nothing-to-help-players >We perma-ban players that we no longer want playing League of Legends, because they hurt the community. We do >not want them to make new accounts. We cannot STOP people from making new accounts though. > >We do not want people who are going to blame others for every loss, and ask to report them for doing poorly.
Ýisus (NA)
: They are also not saying they don't want you to. I think their action tells you what they want. If they wanted you gone for good - they would ID ban you. If they want you to have another chance, they will just permaban you. As they state .... ID bans are different .... ID bans are when Riot is effectively making the statement that they no longer want you on their system. With a permaban they are not making the statement that they don't want you.
ID bans are impossible to actually enforce on a wide scale currently. Riot's official stance, which I'll dig up for you in a sec, is that a permanent ban is showing you the door. They don't want you to make a new account, they just simply can't stop you from doing so.
: WHY IS NO ONE HELPING ME THIS ISN'T RIGHT
EVERYBODY IS HELPING YOU. YOU'RE JUST TOO DAMN STUBBORN TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING SAYING.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BJvorJrQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-11T00:32:06.989+0000) > > What, what's this? You can request your numbers from Riot and after waiting a month they will send them to you.
Damn, why the 30-day wait?
: Ranked AFKs Need to Be Punished Faster and More Severely, plus other thoughts
5 games per champ seems more reasonable than some of the folks demanding rank 5. Still shits on champ trading, though. Tightening the matchmaking rank differences looks great on paper, but I wonder what the tradeoff would be in terms of finding matches? And losing the ability to duo with your friend because they had a winning streak and got promoted without you would suck. I'm all for raising the age of the game, but in practice I don't know how it would be enforced or how effective it would even be.
: Pleasantly suprised
What, what's this?
Keldjur (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OiNysnZn,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-08-10T18:28:34.749+0000) > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Hello Tantram. Why did you decide to lie about my behavior after I was open and presented my log and was 100% ready to cooperate. You were asked plenty of questions about my ban but only did answer a few but not any of the real quesitons... Like why would you take things out of context, why did you claim I soft-inted and trolled game. Why did you claim to had to load 30 pages of reports without telling us how many reports on each page and over what time. There were a lot of errors and lies in your post. Im here, Lets talk.
Dude, Tantram had no reason to talk to you any more _before_ you made this thread. You're at two upvotes and 44 downvotes, currently. I think it's safe to say that your opinions are not supported by the community. Tantram's already given you his 2c when you got banned.
: So I was lucky and had my account unbanned - Why did I get rebanned for this?
I really hope you weren't one of the people in the recent experimental reformation group.
: This is a game I was reported for...
I don't follow the logic that it somehow takes a "saint" to not respond to flames in kind. I'd think more people would understand that game-spanning arguments are pointless, childish, and actively detrimental to team focus and morale. Not engaging in such doesn't take saintlike patience, it just takes common sense and a greater desire to win than to argue.
: Tell me again that # of players reporting doesnt matter
I love your name, but your logic is severely lacking.
Keldjur (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OiNysnZn,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-08-10T15:15:40.879+0000) > > Why would I drop a comment like that? Because a blatant clickbait title followed by ramblings and year-old quotes isn’t worth much effort. I think you are wrong and I base this on an old book I wrote full of quotes... the book is called "The art of war" ... I can ensure you its well over a year old and the information in that book is wroth more then its wight in gold. Please stay on topic
Can’t, gotta back out. Nothing in my life has prepared me to be in the presence of a legendary individual capable of referencing Sun Tzu’s famous Art of War.
: got banned lmao
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