XeroKimo (NA)
: They should buff her ap build back to main stream I miss the good ol, {{item:3115}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3006}} + optional item, most likely Void
Kayle never built like that optimally though. Mains would dedicate themselves to either pool because of itemization synergy; Mixing old lich bane + runaan's effectively hurt each others synergies. The Lichbane build was aimed at one shotting a squishy and backing off and autoing until you had the lichbane proc combo again; and runaans wanted you to DPS as actively close to a team as possible because of the runaan's bolts interactions. If you wanted Kayle to actually be retarded; just bring back old scimitar and rylais from season 6 and keep rageblade at 3.3k gold... Having access to Cleanse + Absurd mixed DPS just isn't the most fair thing in the world. {{item:3006}} {{item:3115}} Malady; I don't really remember much else from season 3 lol. Problably a DFG iteration of Q max. {{item:3020}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3135}} Q Max Kayle; Also season 4 {{item:3020}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} Season 4 Mainstay; Instant DPS and super slow. {{item:3111}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} Season 5; {{item:3006}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3116}} Season 6; {{item:3006}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3116}} / {{item:3026}} Season 7 Korean; {{item:3006}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3135}} ; Season 7 SRS build {{item:3006}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3135}} being the current mainstream build; Personally; I would like to have old runaan's back but I figure that an item that's stacking for DPS is healthier for her than anything else. With old runaan's It was instant team DPS for a relatively low cost; and old lichbane gave you two item one shot potential.. It makes sense that Kayle has to buy an expensive item before multiplicative scaling or burst becomes a thing. They massively reduced her early game impact through a lot of changes; and that makes sense given that her scaling atm is one of the highest in the game. Ideally though; I miss old runaan's so much. That item with the old bolt procs and 70% attack speed was just the most ideal thing ever. It was absolutely perfect... I'd trade Rageblade any day to have it back.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 3
Are you looking into pre-emptive Kayle buffs? She needs some pretty significant ones with this kind of a change...
: My biggest problem with Kai'sa it's not that she's beautiful - she's LoL generic beautiful.
: August is love. August is life. It's great working with him internally as well :)
Everything this guy touches to gold. Rengar, Gnar, Jinx, Jhin..... I'm excited for anything he does, and that's something that I don't normally have much of. So much appreciation.
: Most assassins can use the health anyway, they're usually in more of a position to take damage than mages. In addition to that, AD assassins also don't tend to have many options for mana because they don't typically burn through as much as mages what with low mana costs and a less spammy playstyle. >Giving Lich bane 500/400 mana instead of 250 This is a {{champion:81}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:142}} buff more than it is an AP assassin buff.
It's been a while since {{champion:10}} has liked Lichbane too much, but If it could be decent on her again... xD ... Maybe not. The last few nerfs were quite hard...
: {{champion:13}} and {{champion:136}} used it. thats about it maybe vlad. stormraiders wise. but with comet being around ryze doesnt have a reason to use phase. since he has a way of making comet always land
{{champion:10}} Liked it before the change too. There isn't an attack speed tree with it though.
PaladinNO (EUNE)
: Same. Is it me there's something wrong with, preferring {{champion:117}} , {{champion:267}} , {{champion:16}} , {{champion:40}} , {{champion:37}} ??
I supporting with damage!!!! {{champion:10}}
Gelmous (NA)
: https://i.imgur.com/HTD4jWb.png guess which team got rofl stomped
Plats lost by a large margin.... =////
Eggbread (NA)
: From Someone's Who's Seen a Thing or Two: A 52% Win Rate Is Not Insane
When Kayle has around a 50% win rate, she's considered very weak. It depends on the champ, but I think it depends on kit and long term progression and benefit.
: You severely overvalue Adaptive Helm then.
{{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3194}} Is so hard to play against as a DPS mage, you have litterally no clue.
: I am just saying that even if it is technically 3-2 split on physical-magical damage respectively you don't have to pay attention to the magic damage if it isn't a carry. People complain all the time about Maokai or someone's damage, but in all reality you need at most 1 MR item to cut that damage down a notch and be "negligible" since tanks aren't going to buy pen to counteract the MR nor are they going to buy AP to boost the damage so Mao Q will always do the 280(?) damage base at every stage in the game after level 9. After 70 MR that goes down to like 180 or so which is fairly unnoticeable.
Basically. If that's the scenario, it's also nice that they basically already set you up for success: QSS / Scimitar exist. good points.
: https://pics.onsizzle.com/late-game-nasus-what-type-of-minionisthis-1000-typical-susan-2587934.png
: Nasus is having trouble stacking minions lately
What's a Nasus? I haven't seen one in a viable elo range in forever.
: How do I play more aggressively?
Playing aggressive is harder, but you get more rewards for doing it well. I tanked my MMR from silver, to bronze 3, and then went from bronze 3 to diamond 3 afterwards. Make a shift, because what's the worst that can happen? Someone on the internet says some rude things? /fullmute all, /mute all is your friend.
: The difference is if it is something like Zed mid, Kha jungle, adc, and Leona support with mao top you aren't going to build mr outside of mercs since their damage isn't meaningful enough when you are bulky yourself with 3k+ hp and 70 MR.
There isn't meaningful magic damage in that comp, the people who build it are all physical.
: Bronze is horrible tonight.
Hope it gets better, the Division 5s are actually the worst to climb out of.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wayward Son,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BEc0XoaR,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2018-02-04T19:53:38.552+0000) > > Yeah I know how dare they have opinions. "League is just a blatantly better game when everything revolves around us mages." Down vote me all you want. Anyone participating in this circle-jerk is a tool.
Honestly, I don't mind either mages or ADC's being strong, I love both their itemization.
: Gathering Storm should work every 5 min. instead of every 10 min.
I think it would be Celerity + Gathering storm when the current Boots + Stopwatch gets nerfed. GS is pretty good with IE/Dcap/RB
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tIVXe6AJ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-04T02:37:26.941+0000) > > That's a fucking terrible team comp. > No tank and no front lie. > Jesus christ. Don't deny it though. You've once lost to a team like that. I know because we all have.
Most tanks are AP anyhow. Tank top - Most Tanks do magic dmg jg - Picks Eve or an AP for some unknown reason Mage mid Adc Support - Almost always does magic dmg
: Notice something odd about this video?
I miss this game so much... Please bring back season 5 Masteries and runes... =/
: Next Female Champ should have a nice butt
Damn right! Need more booty like Aetherwing {{champion:10}} too lmfao.
: That she might actually stop being an unhealthy champion and be brought up to date with League's current designs standard while finally being able to receive new content? Truly something terrifying.
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RUFxLlXx,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-02T23:57:12.824+0000) > > That she might actually stop being an unhealthy champion and be brought up to date with League's current designs standard while finally being able to receive new content? > > Truly something terrifying. It's more about being gimped by the R, than her actually being problematic. She's a Marksmen like any else, but with more weaknesses to make up for the fact that she: A, Does Magic damage, and B, has an Invuln ulti. A few of these weaknesses are: 1.) Gimped range, on a timer 2.) Forced to shove in a wave, with a lack of an ability to actually get it under tower. 3.) Most expensive core in the game 4.) Item + Level reliant 5.) Can be easily counter-built: Randiuns / Frozen Heart / Adaptive helm / Banshees / Armor boots 6.) Lacks meaningful mobility / Terrain Scaling (She struggles at sticking. If she does manage to do so, she lacks a way out.) 7.) Damage Amps up over time, isn't immediate. (5 stack passive, rageblade, stacking on-hits) 8.) Predictable damage, lack of outplay-ability (Although, constant) Overall, her kit is very good in terms of both counterplay, and from the standpoint of time. All of her abilities sync together coherently like a modern kit, but lack the depth of interaction. The reason why she's on the rework list is because of her Model, and how her kit could use a bit more interaction and a little less reliability. (Read:More micro ability to make outplays, but more chances for her to shine where she is supposed to.) This would let them allow her to be more viable in higher elos, while not gimping her as hard for silvers. But then again, this is the gameplay boards so we don't have to back up our opinions here by logic. Sometimes It's truely terrifying that people held in such high esteem with such robust egos just throw around slander because it's the popular thing to do.
Karfuss (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v3lhfr8F,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-31T20:58:41.840+0000) > > Comprehensive list of League of Legends Champions that have never been a serious balance issue: {{champion:32}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:154}}{{champion:19}} None of them ever represented a serious balance issue (i.e. champion that cannot be balanced without rework), and if they were an issue, it was a numbers tweak here and there. Same cannot be said for; {{champion:122}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:429}} One thing they all have in common. Edit: When we misconstrue what serious balance issue means and strawman, then yes, some champs don't belong on this list. Except it was never a list of 'champions that have always been balanced.' It's a list of champions that have never needed a rework because they're a serious balance issue, thus not a serious balance issue. Board mob getting rather silly now.
: If they know what a huge marketing opportunity the gaming world is, then it's pretty obvious. They could initiate, say, a "gaming fee" to make it faster.
: Public Service Announcement to all One-Tricks.
Eh, well, sorry for your experience. I just pick my champion, and go to whatever role i get by dice roll. Seems to work out for me fairly well.
zero356 (NA)
: Balance Thoughts: Talking 'bout some Champions (Yas, Zoe, Fiora, etc.)
> [{quoted}](name=zero356,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rEVkmeNA,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-17T18:44:45.996+0000) > > #Kayle: > Fuck this champion; she needs to be reworked ASAP and disabled until reworked. > No, but seriously, if you will allow me a bit of salt, Kayle basically either does > 1. Everything you do but better > 2. Cockblocks everything you were trying to do > 3. Sometimes both > > *Fuck Kayle, ~~bush league super food~~* Kayle is great champion, and could actually benefit a lot from some changes. Her design is intimate with a lot of leagues skill expression, and she has a lot of weaknesses given the dimensionality of the abilities in her kit. However, Her kit functions together well like a modern kit with the drawbacks of older kit design. She's an AP ADC, which naturally causes conflict just from the sheer fact that she exists. Kayle could use some more micro and more integral moments of power, instead of just loading on hidden power. I don't think she needs a major rework, just ability interaction changes and reordering of principles. She's a champion based on a few things: 1.) Movement. She's a MS based champion, and typically goes in and out of fights. I loved this play style for her, rather than a tryndamere or ADC-esque style. She naturally seems to go in -> Reposition with W / SRS -> Kite back -> Enter the fray again. 2.) Sustain Combat Amplification. She is a champion that loads up on 5 stack passives. Holy Fervor, Wits end, Cleaver, Rageblade... She makes great use of on-hit effects and the way that they stack is a key part about knowing how to fight with her. I think that a rework for Kayle, would mostly happen in her Passive, Q, and W and deal with #1 and #2 above. She's a champion that excels based on movement and positioning, while micromanaging 2.5 attack speed and trying to live with an ever push on her E.
M0rgana (NA)
: I hated playing summoner rift until i found a champ that I could actually enjoy. I remember when I first started Annie was the first champion I tried and I loved playing her, but I was simply bad at her lol, and one day a morgana put me to shame, she completely crushed me, so straight after the game I went and tried morgana, and oh boy she was OP and she became my main ever since. Now I try to pick champions with similar play style to morgana mostly if I dont want to play her. Champions like Karma, malzahar, lux, syndra and veigar. Sure they aren't exactly the same. but they do have some similarities which makes them enjoyable. The 1 exception to that rule would be taliyah xD she's so enjoyable although it is a completely different play style. Other than that, I just roll with the meta, every season has its own meta champions so I play them every now and then.
> [{quoted}](name=M0rgana,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JKgIlnyz,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-12-12T11:30:55.652+0000) > > I hated playing summoner rift until i found a champ that I could actually enjoy. > > I remember when I first started Annie was the first champion I tried and I loved playing her, but I was simply bad at her lol, and one day a morgana put me to shame, she completely crushed me, so straight after the game I went and tried morgana, and oh boy she was OP and she became my main ever since. > > Now I try to pick champions with similar play style to morgana mostly if I dont want to play her. Champions like Karma, malzahar, lux, syndra and veigar. > > Sure they aren't exactly the same. but they do have some similarities which makes them enjoyable. The 1 exception to that rule would be taliyah xD she's so enjoyable although it is a completely different play style. > > Other than that, I just role with the meta, every season has its own meta champions so I play them every now and then. This. Except, Kayle is the better sister. I play things like Kayle, Lulu, Teemo, Twitch, Etc.
Krinu (NA)
: Fair note: Kayle is HORRIFYING late game with Lethal Tempo. Swinging 4 times per second for six seconds while getting double on-hit procs with every other auto means she shreds everyone and everything. Throw in the fact that she has a lot of shred - 15% from her passive, 25 flat from wit's end, and if you can opt in to more with Void Staff and Sorc Boots at the cost of some AS - and it's really hard to counterbuild her.
Press the attack does more for single target since she actually has better synergy with %Dmg compared to attack speed. Until it gets nerfed, the % dmg bonus for the team is too much and too good to pass up to justify going for 3.0 attack speed. Kayle's trade pattern is usually EQEE which also procs the bonus damage, which is nice.
Krissey (NA)
: Bro I found my new mains. Can they go bottom lane? I need to find some builds. I'm silver so MOBAFIRE is fine. I don't even play ranked tbh.
{{champion:10}} {{item:3158}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} {{champion:10}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3135}} {{champion:10}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3091}} {{champion:10}} {{item:3158}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3026}} I can do more if you'ed like. Max EWQ for safety and EQW for burst. She's better top lane than ADC, but she can be a good counterpick for some ADC's that can't handle her shove. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8000-8005?build=00100123
Proxy345 (NA)
: There is a steam version lol http://store.steampowered.com/app/6060/Star_Wars_Battlefront_2_Classic_2005/ And no money goes to EA.
> [{quoted}](name=Proxy345,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3wskLj1U,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-18T03:33:37.484+0000) > > There is a steam version lol > > http://store.steampowered.com/app/6060/Star_Wars_Battlefront_2_Classic_2005/ > > And no money goes to EA. I have this for the OG X-box, and i can confirm it's some of the most fun i've had in a shooter.
: What if Kayle is the veiled lady(GOD in Demacia) and Morgana is the paled lady(GOD in Noxus)
=/ I don't want anything to do with Demacia, It doesn't fit her character or lore very well at all.
: 7.17 - "Banned players now have an accurate tooltip telling them why they can't play"
Meteora (NA)
: 5 tips for toxic people who want to change.
I reformed by /mute all, and changed the music to chillstep.
Meteora (NA)
: When Riot decides that they need to buff Yasuo
Porocles (NA)
: What anti-virus are you using? I'll ask around and see if there might be anything going on this morning with our patching services. In the meantime, run through our [permissions](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/204134104-Setting-up-your-Permissions) guide to help rule out possibilities that might be blocking the patcher from reaching your game files. Let me know the results. I'll also offer any updates if I find anything weird going on.
Firewall / Antivirus are disabled, and it still wont patch for me. Ran it as an admin, and UTC was disabled. I know that i don't have any hard drive issues. on start up, it says "failed to patch, reverted to earlier patch," then "We'll restore a previous patch and try again." I also see "we're unable to log you in because you may be offline"
I Am Ravi (EUW)
: Pentakill Olaf in the Mortal Reminder Music video - thoughts
{{champion:10}} too... But the ending was well worth it...
: > [{quoted}](name=KuroCaliber,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7tum9BQI,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-08T18:33:59.970+0000) > > Majority of those champs were slated for vgu and riot made it clear that they really did not want to double their workload before the vgu happened. I think the only people with a valid complaint are yorick, and Shen because they had an adequate amount of time pass after the vgu. Oh, and Cass too. Explain Kayle. Isn't she slated for a duo rework with Morgana? Why is she getting a 1350 skin?
She got a skin because: 1.) Her reworks going to be more on the minor side, removing invisible power and giving her more outplay potential in fights (guess, given on dated rioter comments), 2.) Because they needed something to push the promotional content created. Kayle problably won't get a new skin until her VGU, and her community was shocked with her recent skin. Hopefully this has some clarity.
Besteau (NA)
: Besteau's Creative Art Thread
Can you draw me a Kayle? :D I wanna use it as my FEK.
maliohammad (EUNE)
: the 30% felt nice , but 3 hits just feel dump , and most adc or lethality builders will abuse it by just right clicking you
I think it just got straight nerfed. It's now a Lethality assassin thing, no longer a carry thing.
Knoyle (NA)
: Everyone is arrogant because they got plat. They are also toxic because they don't have diamond.
They're toxic because they shift blame from themselves to others. They don't climb because of it as well.
Keyru (NA)
: Boards Moderation Discord Verification
Meta ✓ᴮᵃˢᵉᵈ#8805
: Kayle has a decent amount of micro-managing with her E ability. I would argue, for a champion made for newer players, this is good enough for micro play.
Agree, that ability is good.
Eeyore (EUW)
: Does Kayle have a boyfriend?
Ohh Karthus.... :v
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kàyle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mLP2hniP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-03T14:31:55.506+0000) > > The low plat experience. Take an upvote. They say low plat is the real elo hell, or just hell in general.
Plat 5 -> Diamond 5 is the worst elo bracket in the game. Nothing compares lol.
maliohammad (EUNE)
: a huge nerf , but a buff for assassins and melee hyper carries , which is so sad tbh
It was nice having the 30% hp thing because it would delay when you got the boost. It wasn't a matter of proccing it, because you would. It was a matter of when you wanted it.
awdaf (NA)
: Please give us an option to vote to disband lobby so we don't have to dodge.
Akrid415 (NA)
: Who on Earth beats Diana?
{{champion:10}} {{item:3006}} {{item:1057}} {{item:3101}} -> {{item:3115}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3091}}
: PSA: STOP abusing the damn dev diary
I'd argue against Kayle being a 0/5. Yeah, she's outdated and needs a number of changes but she isn't a 0/5. She has a very good theme with one of the most interesting (albeit), non cannon lores in the game. In terms of old champions, she's actually VERY VERY good compared to the majority of the dated champions. * Feels good to play: Only with the legendary skin. Animation updates would work wonders for her since her animations are archaic, but we could talk gameplay here. She needs changes addressing hidden power (Her passive), and windows of power. Her Passive / Q / W need modernizing, and it would be interesting what they could do to her E and R which are absolutely core to her being "Kayle." She needs moments where her it's clear to go in and avoid her. She really is the "Windup ADC" with all of her 5 hit passive stacking. * Resonant story: She is "The Judicator," being the moral judge. Her and Morgana (Who really needs a lore update more imo), have constantly been at war both physically and ideologically. Kayle would be more of a "Nationalist" type where morgana is more of a "Leftist open border type" and the ideological struggles are akin to their homeland and potentially doomed race. Kayle's mask represents a shield, to protect her from the impurities and corruption of battle. Her aether wing skin would be a play on her winning at the cost of her wings, and achieving utopia. I think this is all amazing, and that she really needs updated voice quotes to reflect the amazing depth of her character. The voice lines really make a character. * In terms of "Deep" i think that Kayle is the type of champion that someone plays a lot of and really becomes attached to. She isn't for everyone, but she has a LOT of counterplay and nuance with the way she builds and wants to play the early game to have that late game fantasy. Not everyone is super into the whole 2.5 attack speed kiting aspect of her kit, and the versatility is off-putting for people who want to learn her. Though, i do agree that her micro could use some more involvement (specifically from her passive, Q and W.) She needs a bit more depth so people can more realize why she has one of the higher differences between beginners and experienced players. Overall, imho: * Satisfying to play? kit wise Yes, Animation wise no. Kit needs modernization. * resonant theme? Very much so. * Skill expressive? Yes. Needs more micro though. * Fair? Problably on the lower end despite a lot of counter play. * unique? Yes.
: so u should go learn the role...or dodge
Eh i don't really care that much. My team might, and i'll respect their choice.
Wrekzzz (NA)
: Runes Corner: Stormlord's Mandate and Spellslinger's Surge
Not the biggest fan on losing the slow resistance for ranged... :v I really like current storm raiders, and this just seems like a nerf to me.
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