And the funny thing is, most of the "fun" modes in DOTA2, like Autochess (which TFT is a nearly straight copy of), were *player developed*. Imagine what the community could do with Riot basically only needing to maintain a development kit rather than tens of additional modes.

Since when is pick rate not a part of meta? If a champ sucks in a given meta, nobody will play them.

Considering pickrate.. yeah, that's pretty much true. Nobody uses him.

Insufficient data for a meaningful answer. People have been banned in the past for off-meta builds that worked (examples: support smite singed with some really good win rate) while pissing off their team (said player left their botlane 2v1 and racked up a ton of reports *while winning most of their games*), but Riot supposedly changed their policies in response to outcry from that. The problem is you don't know somebody's intentions until after they play, and there's no good way to enforce meta from a "if you don't play X, you're a troll who deserves to be banned" standpoint. I'd argue that this situation is what dodges are for. If you don't want to be someone's guinea pig in ranked, skip the match. I also think that this is a good reason to import a concept from HotS: You can't play ranked with a champ until you have a certain mastery level with it. It would nip this problem in the bud and make life that much harder for botters.

> [{quoted}](name=MrVit0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zUPELmfu,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:05:59.711+0000) > > I did so i can assure a ban was going towards Lee. I did not expect to get banned out of that, was only trying to keep the toxicity away. Do you think this is resolvable? Most likely. If support sees that you were only quoting the other guy, they'll usually revise the ban down. I'd still expect a chat restrict at the end of the day though, since while your chat wasn't zero tolerance instaban worthy, you were still whining about the other guy and asking for reports. Some advice for the future: Never tell someone you're reporting them. It does literally no good. Reports aren't like an airport, there's no reason to announce their arrival.

She has no scaling for AP. That's why it's kinda an ur-example of trolling with your build. There is nothing that riven building AP can do better than riven building AD. It is of wholly negative benefit.

> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eiyyxo0z,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-21T05:45:54.267+0000) > > Positional ques got gutted because of players not cuz the idea was unsound. The idea was inherently unsound. For instance, if you regularly play fill, you got to spend 5x as long as everybody else to climb to the same rank as someone who only plays one position.

Full AP riven.

That's never going to happen, and I'll tell you why. Instead of fixing the problems, they're just going to casualize it more and more and more (expect even more burst, even shorter games) and destroy the reason people who have been here forever still play in an attempt to increase mass appeal, thereby killing it faster. This feedback loop has played out over and over and over again across many multiplayer games. They never *fix* the problems people hate. Hell, look at Dominion and TT for a microcosm of what to expect. Ignore the actual problems for a long time, and then pull the plug for lack of interest when *the freaking lack of interest is caused by the neglect in the first place*.

Dunno why you're replying to me - I didn't say anything about votes or vote on that comment. I merely gave more accurate stats as I knew them. With posts like these, I'm glad to see you're no longer brandishing that blue tag, though! I thought I recognized your name.

That's kinda my point. Yas is hated for his design, kit, and the way he makes the game all about him. Not because he's "OP".

Highest I've ever seen him go is around ~52% a few months back. You think a champion being so hated he literally cannot be played in more than half of games would be a gigantic flashing signal that something should be changed, but no...

This is now no longer necessary. As of a patch or two ago, there is an in-client ability to disable ally chat that works just like the checkbox to disable all chat. Could a kind moderator lock this thread? Thanks!

> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M5qk1VhU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T02:08:08.816+0000) > > Skype accounts have phone numbers last I checked, which is admittedly like 10 years ago. That is assuming that there is a verification step and not just a put in some random number. So that doesn't work. VoIP numbers can be detected from the provider side and disallowed. Again, DOTA does this. > Credit Cards are easily created. I use an App called Privacy to create burner cards for "special offers" all the time. Same here. These read as prepaid cards from the seller's side and can be blocked.

> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M5qk1VhU,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2019-06-06T11:33:07.750+0000) > > what happens when i go to grab a 10$ burner phone ? The population of duplicate account holders then becomes limited to the amount of burner phones people are willing to buy.

> [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M5qk1VhU,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-06T08:56:16.928+0000) > > 1. There are offers for phone numbers for 1€/month (in my country at least, but i think it exists in all EU) > 2. You can buy ready to use low cost expandable cellphones with brand new numbers for a few euros as well. > 3. You get a phone number who belonged to someone else before who already used it with his account, what do you do ? > 4. You are a 13yo and you want to play league but your parents wont buy you a cellphone before you are 15 (well, to be honnest if we could get rid of the 13yo, it's fine for me.) > 5. A lot of people have a personnal phone AND a business/corporate phone > > I could expand this list but i think you get the point. Put the phone number requirement in place and i'll still have 3 accounts. True, but it would cut down greatly on the troll population. Even the lowest of bars, ones ants couldn't limbo under, would help. Right now, there are literally no actions taken. I mean that. *None*. You can get an account banned and sign back up with the same email, even.

> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PzmLv2L1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-05T18:12:05.825+0000) > > well approach velocity is her counter or max E as nasus since she cant heal easily or go full AP if she cant let you farm then fine you just make her life miserable in return. E and W (during her counterattack) her into oblivion Nasus doesn't build mana and you'll quickly run out of it trying to E her. He can survive for quite a while tap-dancing on the edge of not having enough to land his Qs, and it's not a problem lategame, but early to mid, oof.

> [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PzmLv2L1,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T20:51:25.966+0000) > > teemo is actually very good in late game nowadays, kennen is way more aids than teemo to lane against though. Really? It seems like he falls off pretty fast, doubly so if he's not ahead and able to spread shrooms everywhere.

> [{quoted}](name=Investa,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pqJ6j6Ia,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T17:52:21.330+0000) > > I know I'm a month late in reply, but that epilepsy issue with their flashing reward icon was fixed very quickly. Only after an outrage-fest that blew up outside of the League community. I'd be willing to bet their legal team got involved after a developer went on record saying they were not going to fix a confirmed photosensitive epilepsy trigger. Thats lawsuit territory if someone actually gets hurt, and the fact that it takes that much outside influence to get Riot to pay attention is shameful. >As someone who's been a part of the community virtually since it's inception, I'd say it's a misnomer that Riot does not communicate or listen to it's players. They communicate very poorly compared to some other devs. They're strictly middling. Way better than DOTA, slightly better than HOTS, way worse than Warframe. As someone that's been here since 2013, the trend, a couple of blips notwithstanding, is strictly downward. >Many of the features we have today in game are because of community input. How much of that is purely cosmetic? Look at the red tracker - the great majority of red posts are in the story boards. If Riot in general was half as communicative as the lore team, we wouldn't be having this conversation. How much do they listen on stuff that actually matters? When's the last time a single word was said on the matter of player behavior? Dissatisfaction as to matchmaking this season seems to be a lot louder than any previous season. The client is a mess. They *just now* gave an update on Clash, and basically upended what it was originally supposed to be because their backend is such a mess it can't handle all the games starting simultaneously. But it's shiny and they're making new skins, which is neat, I guess. Meanwhile, games and RP are lost due to the godforsaken client failing to lock shit in. Guess which of those two is the bigger concern? Guess which one gets more attention? >Of course, it's not perfect and they can do better. They recently announced being more transparent with their balancing decisions and I think that's a step in the right direction. Agreed, credit where credit is due there. If it winds up being a turning point, I'll be first in line to get my serving of crow pie, but past behaving being the best predictor of future behavior, I'm not holding my breath. These grand initiatives have a habit of stalling out and going nowhere. >We players may think we know how the game is supposed to be balanced or what issues should be prioritized. We are also the same players that bitch about our team holding us back instead of looking at the errors we make every single game. We are the players that honestly request certain champs be removed outright because it's too difficult to adapt our playstyle to accommodate them being in the match. We are the same players that build the same items every single game and complain when we get two shot as our build has no defense whatsoever. I hope you are seeing my point here. There are anywhere from 30-80 million people who play this game. I don't think you can generalize the playerbase like that.

> [{quoted}](name=KingMack,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=Nfuoa2e3,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-06-03T11:03:35.185+0000) > > Not everyone deserves punishments they receive. Those cases are *extremely* few and far between, and usually falls into the category of repeating or quoting toxic chat (in which case player support has historically been quick to reverse the punishment), or in the case of the boards, posting modified chatlogs. >Also, you say it isn't his job to shot all and you also say he shouldn't tell his teammates how to play. If he believes that he is his teams best chance to make correct decisions, then he needs to try and shot call. And when those calls are not heeded, because you have no authority, you shaddap and focus on your own play. What you absolutely don't do is start raging and filling the chatbox with an entire novel about how shitty someone else is at the game. That is punishable, every time, and rightly so.

I spend most of my times in customs and inhouse games, not ranked. Ranked has literally zero appeal to me nowadays, partially because people like the OP are allowed to run rampant and make the game miserable. Other modes have far less ego-tripping and general human shittiness. Also, the bot games (all two or three of them in the last few months) are for trying out new champions or silly shit. You know, because I don't want to ruin someone's game by playing like a monkey on something I have no idea how to play. >I'm curious to see what your criticisms are of the punishment system, if you have any per say. It's entirely too lenient and and inconsistent. It's way too easy to evade. You can run it down mid and flash under the enemy's tower and that still isn't enough for an int feeding ban on first offense. New accounts are cheaper than skins and zero effort is taken to prevent permabanned players from returning.

Wouldn't having your LP drop mean that your next game is likely to be easier?

> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EgrRWKML,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-02T21:53:37.782+0000) > > -calculations- Your 51% is on OPGG, but I just looked again and realized I used the wrong number (kill participation) - you're actually at 60%. 6 wins, 4 losses in 10 games. There are a few issues with the math you used: * There's no way it takes 10 minutes to get into the average game. Even if we assume that every player took the absolute maximum amount of time in draft (27 seconds for bans, 5 seconds ban reveal, 27 seconds * 10 champions = 270 second champ select, 30 seconds before load, works out to 332 seconds = 5.53 minutes). Realistically, it'll be about 2-3 minutes on average. * Similarly, it takes maybe 2 minutes loading in on average, usually less. * Doesn't account for FF@15 (which is where your main time save is - if you get out of a dead game at 15 minutes twice, you basically get to play another game for free) * Doesn't account for dodging (which nearly everyone does if champ select is a mess) - so rightly, that time is also saved. [There's also a stat I found (granted, this is a couple of seasons old) that shows comeback likelihood based on gold lead.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4b8mv3/as_promised_a_full_analysis_on_gold_leads_at_20/) which you may want to work into your numbers.

> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EgrRWKML,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-02T19:20:51.386+0000) > >Should have I surrendered? Well the answer is no because I won that game. I would not have won if I quit to cater to my teammates who wanted out. > Congrats on a rare turnaround. Now, realize that, assuming your 51% ranked WR holds, you'd be better off spending your time in the future getting out of games where the odds are *that* stacked against you. For every one of these that you turn around, you're losing 9 others. That's time you could have spent getting into another, non-doomed game.

> [{quoted}](name=RikuXI,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=Nfuoa2e3,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-06-02T15:49:01.473+0000) > > Games get competitive and sometimes you say something. Somehow, most people that play this game manage without "saying something". > All of what? The hyper PG "flaming"? "Wow I can't believe you suck" you think that's toxic? Well, considering you're the one that got chat restricted, yes, that is objectively toxic. If what you're putting in the chatbox isn't for the express purpose of helping your team win the game, it doesn't go in the chatbox. Either change your behavior or you *will* lose this account.

>Only thing that sucks is Riot will NOT link the whole dialogue for context. Context doesn't matter. If *you* get punished, it was because of *your* behavior. There is no context that makes all this acceptable: >ÁÞÞLé: wtf irealia ÁÞÞLé: u flashed an d still missed every single thing Irelia knew she missed. She didn't need your running commentary on the matter. >ÁÞÞLé: you lose ur lane SOLO as zed Zed knew he lost lane. He doesn't need your running commentary on the matter. >ÁÞÞLé: typical 12 yr old ÁÞÞLé: bronze kid >ÁÞÞLé: im not toxic its just riots fking matchmaking Big hmmmmmmmmmm. >ÁÞÞLé: ok ÁÞÞLé: dont come bot ÁÞÞLé: WOW ÁÞÞLé: DONT COME BOT PUSH MID WTF You are not an LCS coach, it is not your job to shotcall, and it is most definitely not your job to BM your team if they don't play the way you want them to do. Etc, etc, etc. You broke the summoner's code, you got punished, you deserve your punishment.

>Champ needs some serious nerfs, he is a free win Stats disagree fam. Assuming your jungler has their monitor turned on, all they have to do is camp top whenever the puppy starts pushing the wave out. This is the nature of Nasus. he is a time bomb. If you don't play super aggressive with him, he pops off midgame and starts ruining your day. That said, this meta is not favorable to him. Too many ranged toplaners just completely cuck him, and his teamfight blows.

> [{quoted}](name=ixi Josh Sand,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q3KPGBlc,comment-id=0009000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-30T22:51:28.748+0000) > > I want to see an enchanter offer defensive utility at an extreme level, but for an appropriate amount of difficulty. But that doesnt mean that I want to remove all point and click sustain from the game. This, so very much this. I have this silly dream that they'll make a multirole enchanter somewhat along the lines of DOTA2's Invoker. It fit's Sona's niche pretty nicely, but she's already spoken for, so it would have to be a new champ.

> [{quoted}](name=GigglesO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q3KPGBlc,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T20:31:11.393+0000) > > So You are telling me recoding morde was harder than completely redoing his ultimate... Yea I'm pretty sure thats not true. The ult bugs were a large source, but *every single one of his abilities* had something that broke in common circumstances.

> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ufQs0mi2,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T13:16:40.734+0000) > > With a silver 1 in the game that's even more unfair because it would be an easy win. > > Besides, the OP is gold 4 so its not uncommon to be paired with mid/high silver still. Everyone else in that game was also silver. The point is, the iron player had no business in that game. Low silver/high bronze, sure, but iron 1? That's garbo.

> [{quoted}](name=GigglesO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q3KPGBlc,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-05-30T16:22:15.638+0000) > > This is the only reason they reworked Morde. That would probably be the bugs. When one of your champions has a literal book full of shit that just plain doesn't work right, it's time to throw it out and start over.

> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jcu9uygL,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-30T14:21:05.255+0000) > > Well yeah, mentality will only affect how the player views the flamer, not how they'll perform That's objectively incorrect. Toxicity causes tilt, tilt causes losing. People with a report history win 35% fewer games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXC7g3p0JU

There's an old video I'd have to go dig up, but basically, players who are toxic objectively win fewer games, and drag down the win likelihood of everyone else they play with. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXC7g3p0JU

Catharsis is a thing, as is justice. Anyone who gets punished basically deserves it.

> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ufQs0mi2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-30T12:59:11.960+0000) > > He was duo queued with his jungler who was silver 1 last season. Then he should have been in a game with a higher lower average elo, not put in a game with a player literally FOUR ENTIRE GODDAMN LEAGUES above his skill.

> [{quoted}](name=lil gape4,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JdETawAl,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-05-29T15:05:51.926+0000) > > If you read the examples, competitive trash talking will get you banned regardless of which team it is. I know from experience. My own experience as a play of 7ish years says that it's pretty damn easy to not get banned if you actually care not to.

You have to take elo into account. If someone has 5M mastery points on {{champion:157}} but is playing in silver, it doesn't bode well for their skill level.

> [{quoted}](name=lil gape4,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JdETawAl,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-05-29T15:08:09.896+0000) > > I learned while talking to the riot admin that if you are reported over a span of games a few times, you will get banned. Regardless of what you said. What. Can you please quote that? That is contrary to Riot's stated explanations of how the system works as well as the advice this board has been giving for years.

> [{quoted}](name=Strawberrycocoa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=859czFu7,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-05-29T07:04:11.584+0000) > > Now you have Lux building Rabadons as a first item [Nobody does this](https://u.gg/lol/champions/lux/build?role=support)

Arden't wasn't "broken", but it did warp the meta so much to where it [became a must-have, game-defining item](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHp95KO8en4). Generally, when an item is the only choice for many different playstyles, it'll get a nerf to encourage diversification.

> [{quoted}](name=I Play This Game,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=859czFu7,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-05-29T14:17:08.224+0000) > > Why do people get so mad at pyke? Slipperiness. Pyke can get caught out of position, and where this would lead to most other champs getting killed off, Pyke gets stealth and a MS steroid to get out of trouble *AND* heal.

The best thing that helps this, I find, is to get a regular group of people to team up with. Playing in 5 stacks eliminates the ability for you to get matched up with someone who's being a jerk. Sent you a friend request ingame :D

If I were to look at this from the standpoint of an outsider unfamiliar with League, I'd say that MMR gains and losses are way too inflated - that is, the system is reacting way too aggressively to win/loss streaks.

> [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Awdi0pE2,comment-id=00020004,timestamp=2019-05-28T19:56:38.186+0000) > > You have to work together with your team and figure out what your comp needs to do to win. This does not happen in games with pubbies.

> [{quoted}](name=ninjaroxas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Awdi0pE2,comment-id=000200010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-29T14:33:15.038+0000) > > to be truly random we'd have to also get rid of rerolls. almost no one actually wants true random That's what people played before Riot added an official ARAM queue.

>And this got me thinking, is competitive trash talking fine? Well, yeah. Difficulty: "Competitive trash talking" *does not* include BMing your own team. All you're doing there is increasing the likelihood that you lose.

> [{quoted}](name=Free Roll,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kpIlvxXH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-28T17:12:57.347+0000) > > 10 posts is participating ?? What if there are 10000 posts a day lol that is a 0.1% participation rate and wanna give applause for that? Yikes. There's barely any activity on the weekends and outside of normal business hours (nobody expects them to participate in their off time, I hope), so, to be fair, we need to remove 24 days (weekends) and 16 hours per day (104 days of not business hours) to get an actual 76 days of business time with people in the office in NA. That gets us to a bit over 23 posts per business day. And that's not counting Reddit and boards in other countries. Community engagement is important but it isn't priority one - these people have jobs after all :) > Sorry myth not busted they participation is abysmal. Sort posts in this forums by hot new recent and have fun scrolling down to find a post flagged as having a riot comment. Not sure how anyone could suggest they are regular participants. Not sure what more you want.

Whoops - typo fixed. Good catch.