lalalalalaz (NA)
: 14 day suspension but (ELO BOOSTER ACCOUNT SELLER, DUO TROLL SCOTT FREE)
Karunamon (NA)
in > 14 day suspension but (ELO BOOSTER ACCOUNT SELLER, DUO TROLL SCOTT FREE)
http://tkwa.re/pbmflowchart I'd suggest opening a support ticket in the short term - this chat doesn't really seem bad on first reading.
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Periscope (NA)
: Following my comment with Nano above, he didn't ask for any analysis of his logs, and it's really derailed from the OP: pre-game lobby toxicity.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Wanted to play some League, but I guess it was not meant to be
That's fair, and apologies for going OT, but I seriously don't intend on allowing people to lie about the content of their previous posts (either deliberately or by omission) to complain about how evil the IFS is.
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Arammus (EUW)
: would you say its reportable when you say stuff like "sry guys top's lost" because the enemy outplayed you 2 times and you know you have no way to come back and can just hope to farm for the next 30min without the enemy diving u?
Karunamon (NA)
in > Just started playing again... Didnt even get to lvl 10 before "10 game chat restriction"
That's fine - what's not fine is implying that you're giving up on the game.
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IainG10 (EUW)
: Leaving his item-less damage aside, because the balance issue is not the question here; the problem is that (at least in lower tiers) it is not uncommon for someone to take a mage that **can** support (e.g. {{champion:63}} or {{champion:99}} ), get a {{item:3303}} , then never upgrade it and build full damage, until the point where they can farm on their own, and then they sell the {{item:3303}} and continue building like a midlaner
Karunamon (NA)
in > The biggest issue with the 2019 ranked format
Right, but that's a viable strategy isn't it? I don't see immediately why it's a problem that must be fixed is what I'm saying.
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Snapp2Kill (NA)
: its not, but the problem comes along when people feel they need every bit of LP and are "forced" to dodge due to a champ select troll. it makes people feel as if put in a lose-lose situation that's semi-out of their control. * either dodge because of someone else taking your main role and sacrifice your own 3 lp because they cant handle being something other then a OTP or hate being autofilled or * bet ~15 LP and a modest amount of MMR to call the trolls bluff, whilst being put in an offrole (then pray the troll doesn't feed the lane he took) with much less potential to carry of course one option is obviously much better then the other, but either one requires you to sacrifice something.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Dodging is not as scary as you think
The only reason people feel like that is because LP equals promotion, and people want that all important next division or tier (or to not get dropped from their current one)
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Nanolathe11 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OlTQpReB,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-26T17:34:56.656+0000) > > By saying you were chatbanned for saying "wtf zoe". That is not "your opinion", that is a false accounting of facts. You were banned for a negative attitude, threatening reports, and giving up. > > Don't make public posts if you don't want them responded to and criticized publicly. > > Me and 90% of the player base, but whatever. Your next stop is a 14 day if you don't perhaps acknowledge that the problem is you. you actually think 90% of the player base has never been reported or banned EVER? you are legit crazy dude. why are you threatening me now with a 14 day ban for talking on boards... as if you even have that power to do it... trollers like you are the ones that need to be banned, all youve done this entire time is talk about how perfect you are and how awful i am... also... you're full of it. theres 0% chance that youve been playing since season 4, and are only level 45. LOL maybe you should get in a game once in awhile and not reply to every forum post. im officially done with your trolling level 45 nonsense{{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
Karunamon (NA)
in > Wanted to play some League, but I guess it was not meant to be
>you actually think 90% of the player base has never been reported or banned EVER? Reported, maybe. Banned? Yes, that is *exactly* what I'm saying. Most people manage to never get so much as a single chat restrict. Of those that ever do, most people manage to never get another. >why are you threatening me now with a 14 day ban for talking on boards... as if you even have that power to do it... Read what I said, not what you want me to have said. I didn't "threaten" you. I said that if you don't change your behavior, you're just going to get punished again. Given that you appear to have learned nothing and still make excuses for your behavior rather than accepting it, you're just going to do the same thing over again, and the next step after a 25 game chat ban is a 14 day ban. Part of reform is accepting you were in the wrong. I know from the fact that it's a 25 game ban rather than a 10, that this is your second punishment. I don't have any control over bans here, I'm just another player. But if you fill the chat box again with the kind of crap you keep rationalizing, well, let's say you have it coming. >theres 0% chance that youve been playing since season 4 I've got the registration email from 2011 that says otherwise. You realize that level 30 was the maximum level until very recently, right? > im officially done with your trolling level 45 nonsense Sorry you see facts as trolling.
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Dragfin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ndm6Tx4p,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-26T17:03:46.157+0000) > > But isnt basing someones knowledge on lol by there rank actually judging them by there actions. Higher rank generally means better player and who understand league better and unranked level 100 or a pro. Probably the pro. How does one know for sure what rank someone is when you can have as many accounts as you want? People who judge a person on rank are shallow people who have problems judging their own lives without trying to pass judgment on someone else's.
Karunamon (NA)
in > As a Unranked Player, i find all the Possibilities of "Rank Shaming" disgusting
It depends on the topic under discussion, really. A newbie with 10 games, all beginner bots, doesn't have any business making comments on balance discussions. If anything it serves as encouragement to not post with smurf accounts...
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Nanolathe11 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OlTQpReB,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-25T20:35:01.550+0000) > > Don't post in threads spreading misinformation if you don't want it corrected. how am i posting mis-information? and then being corrected... i simply just stated my opinion. you do know the difference between fact and opinion right... for someone who has an immaculate record and never been reported, you sure do like digging up info on someone and then trolling them on these forums lol that right there tells me youre full of it and prolly on your 3rd smurf account for being perma banned "i've been around since season 4 and im the perfect player" good for you man, nobody cares how clean your record is.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Wanted to play some League, but I guess it was not meant to be
>how am i posting mis-information? By saying you were chatbanned for saying "wtf zoe". That is not "your opinion", that is a false accounting of facts. You were banned for a negative attitude, threatening reports, and giving up. >you sure do like digging up info on someone and then trolling them on these forums lol Don't make public posts if you don't want them responded to and criticized publicly. >"i've been around since season 4 and im the perfect player" good for you man, nobody cares how clean your record is. Me and 90% of the player base, but whatever. Your next stop is a 14 day if you don't perhaps acknowledge that the problem is you.
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AI SpiritRush (EUW)
: Perma ban for 3rd Aprty Programms???!!!
Karunamon (NA)
in > Perma ban for 3rd Aprty Programms???!!!
You should [open a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) to ask for more info - the boards can't really help you here.
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45accspermadbtw (NA)
: ^ everyone flames in korea, every elo, no bans.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Why korea is better then NA
Sounds like you need to server transfer to korea then. Different cultures have different norms. Film at 11.
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Risen29 (NA)
: I don't like this idea at all. That means you have to grind out of elo hell on all five roles, instead of grinding out with one role then getting to enjoy quality games on multiple roles. Nevermind that you can't actually climb the ladder out of bronze/silver by playing support the way it's meant to be played. You only climb out of low elo by playing a carry in a support position. How is an ADC suppose to feel suffering through low elo hell at the mercy of ther incompetent team, yearning for the day they can break out and really show what their ADC skills are once they have proper teammates? I also think it's bad from an organization perspective because it presumes that positions like top have clearly defined roles and playstyles - but they don't really, especially the lower elo you go. It's a grab bag of all kinds of stuff. Mid to some extent has become like that too. I can play Talon just about as well top or mid - But it's the same playstyle in either position. I'm not a mid player or a top player, im a Talon player. An overall rank better fits that than a positional rank. I think it's also a fools errand of a quest, because almost nobody plays multiple roles from the perspective of them being roles in themselves. Not so much because of the role limitation, but because of champion limitations - It's better to master a few than play a wide diversity if you want to climb. It has little to do with the role itself. Someone might be an expert with one champion who happens to play top lane mostly but can play multiple roles, but they are not necessarily a toplane expert in general. That person might crush jungle on their champions just as well as top lane, but not be placed at the appropriate skill level. That same person who is so highly ranked top may fumble all over themselves if their one trick champion gets banned. They aren't really a "top laner" in the sense of being well versed in the role itself. They are a one trick champion player. I think only jungle, support, and ADC have clearly defined enough roles that ranking them specifically makes sense. They all basically have the same goal and playstyle. Mid and Top are so varied, and with the state of the way the game is, they really have no role other than don't feed and try to do whatever you can to help snowball bot lane. Just about anything can fit that description, and what you pick may be more dependant on what your team comp needs for teamfights than what the role itself needs. This whole scheme also fails to take into account the extent to which how experience in one role transfers to another. A challenger level player might main mid, but I guarantee you they will crush any bronze level game from any position. It's not going to be a fun experience for the other players getting paired with what is essentially a challenger smurf just because they only focus on ranking up one position.
Karunamon (NA)
in > You guys know in high plat and low diamond entire games can be ruined by diamond 5s who don't care
>That means you have to grind out of elo hell on all five roles, instead of grinding out with one role then getting to enjoy quality games on multiple roles. I'm about 90% sure it was mentioned in the post that you'll get accelerated gains on roles that are below your highest one.
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Venomar (NA)
: You are missing something. LP is LP. MMR is MMR. Your MMR in an off role will be less stable to begin with, and probably lower than your actual role because smaller sample size, unless you always Stomp your off role. In which case if you do Stomp your off role, the loses against higher opponents will correct it much quicker becuase of the smaller sample size. MMR differences between roles will not be huge anyways, a division or two, three at the VERY most when it comes to primary vs secondary. And so, is there much difference between a silver 3 Support and a silver 1 support? Ehhhh... Mechanically, I'd say not, that should come down to game knowledge wich has nothing to do with what role you play, you should understand the entirety of the game. When you get higher up, and the games are tighter, sure, but there's also the caveat that the higher you go the more willing (usually) players are to switch around and get everyone on to a comfortable role. LP sets your general placement on the ladder, MMR fine tunes it. All these changes will do is prevent a 1424 MMR game vs 1430 MMR game from becoming one where Top is 1380 mmr vs 1480 mmr, and vice versa in say, mid for the other team. It will shrink the MMR differences of the opponents in the lane. So instead of top getting shit on on one team, and mid getting shit on by the other (and two players basically having thier game fucked by the matchmaker) the "high MMR" players in that game will be in the same lane against each other. You'll still have a stronger and better opponent on the other team( and teammate on yours) but won't have to deal with them directly from the start of the game and auto lose/win becuase of it. I'd imagine, LP will still be aggregated based on the total team MMR to protect abuse by duo smurfs and boosters. Overall MMR Will and has to still be a factor or you'll end up with several divisions of difference across the roles and a total cluster fuck of games. The games are probably going to be exactly the same MMR wise as far as total allowed difference goes, with tighter limitations on the difference of who is allowed to opposite you're role. If it isn't, then there's literally no point to this change. *If it is, then swapping roles with somebody in champ select will be functionally exactly the same as it is now given there's a cap on the total difference allowed on the overall MMR of the team*. Currently you run the risk of being up against a main or smurf and someone significantly better than you in said role that you're Autofilled into or swap with. After that change, the risk will be the same, but with more emphasis on when you do get games in your own role, it will be more consistent and enjoyable. That's how I understand it anyways. One last edit. Maybe MMR is factored across all roles, so of you do get Autofilled as a ~1300 support against another ~1300 support, when you're usually a 1400 midlane. Would that still also not Improve the game quality instead of just getting paired against an enemy 1400 support because "overall MMR"? To the people saying these changes pigeon hole people Into roles, wouldn't that encourage you to play off roles if you're opponent isn't going to be miles better than you EVERY single time you get filled? Maybe you don't get as much LP if you win, but you enjoyed the game more and still won?
Karunamon (NA)
in > The biggest issue with the 2019 ranked format
But only MMR is used for matchmaking, right? My understanding was that the LP system is kind of bolted on as a "less volatile" depiction of your skill, but the hidden MMR is actually used for determining who you play with.
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Shuriman God (EUW)
: The notes sounded** to me** like they'd like to guarantee your primary or secondary role next season. Aka autofill **might** get removed
Karunamon (NA)
in > The biggest issue with the 2019 ranked format
The only possible way that's going to happen is if they decide to say "screw it, 10 minute queues but no more autofill" I'd be fine with this - better ten minutes in queue than half an hour in a doomed game.
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Nohr (NA)
: Im more concerned about 'hey im a mage mid main, but you've given me support. Guess im taking my mage to the bot lane' isnt helping us get{{champion:63}} out of the support role anytime soon.
Karunamon (NA)
in > The biggest issue with the 2019 ranked format
Dumb question: what's wrong with Brand support? Wasn't it a stated goal to have more champions in different roles?
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Arisha the Dark (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M4J6GdFE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-26T11:07:49.286+0000) > > wat. > > So let's assume the asshats represent equal percentages within their elo brackets for a start (I just assume it's uniform here, let's not go into assuming which elo is less or more toxic given I wouldn't think there are not that much intrinsic difference). The sheer fact there are far more players in low elo means there will be more asshat players in their ranks; 10% out of 100 is 10, and 10% out of 500 is 50, get it(?). And since you're gonna get matched with 9 other players no matter what, assuming you're soloing your way, ofc under this same fixed parameters while there are significantly more raw numbers of asshats on the loose, ofc you run into them more often. > > Where does that logic supposedly fail again? Unfortunately, while I usually wouldn't agree with person you are replying to, on anything about this game, right now you are the one who is wrong. While you are right that there would be more asshats, you completely ignore that there will be equally more good players. If there are 10% asshats and 90% good players, no matter the total amount of players, % chance of meeting asshats vs good players will remain the same.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Giving up and Greifing
The problem is that Silver is wildly inconsistent. You have a smattering of legitimate newbies, smurfs, permabanned people on new purchased accounts.. Note that all but one of those things will cause shitty games.
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AR URF (NA)
: I've decided.
Karunamon (NA)
in > I've decided.
>I'll just log into lolking.net and start listing all the games that my shit talking teammates do bad on. Please don't. Not only is this just perpetuating crap, you're just gonna wind up banned if you do it. If your teammates are talking shit, that's what /mute is for.
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TheInvisibleGuy (EUW)
: I can't play one game without an utterly stupid team member.
Karunamon (NA)
in > I can't play one game without an utterly stupid team member.
AI games are overrun with bots right now - don't stress about it too much, you can win intermediate vs AI games even with a single human on your team.
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Skeletons Grave (NA)
: Faker plays more then 1 role and 1 champion. Dont butt in if u cant even understand the question
Karunamon (NA)
in > The new Ranked system for 2019 pushes you EVEN MORE into 1 role and here's why
Champion is your words, not mine. The fact that we have autofill and bans mean that he's going to be forced into other roles occasionally, but he still has a main role. Dont make rude comments if u cant even understand the argument.
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Ahri Lover Rock (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mhtAwKWR,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-25T21:53:34.753+0000) > > Tell that to the pros who are known for single positions. > > Faker doesn't play support. ? Bro, in Korea you're expected to know how to play all the roles or you're a shit player. In his last 40 games he's played 4 or 5 matches as support, 2 jungle, 2 top, and 2 ADC games.
Karunamon (NA)
in > The new Ranked system for 2019 pushes you EVEN MORE into 1 role and here's why
So 75% of his games are his normal position, midlane. Thanks for making my point for me! Of course he's going to wind up playing other things - autofill and bans assure that. That doesn't mean he isn't a mid main, and that certainly doesn't mean his performance in those other lanes is equal to his midlane performance, and it doesn't mean that those other roles are effectively also-rans.
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TempName74814 (NA)
: but are they getting rid of autofill
Karunamon (NA)
in > The new Ranked system for 2019 pushes you EVEN MORE into 1 role and here's why
no, because there's no way to do it. At least this way, your rank doesn't tank because you wound up playing a role you aren't used to, or hate.
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Skeletons Grave (NA)
: Yes, everyone in diamond will tell you so. There are alot of people well known for 1 champion they play in diamond, but all the good players do fine in other positions or on other champions.
Karunamon (NA)
in > The new Ranked system for 2019 pushes you EVEN MORE into 1 role and here's why
Tell that to the pros who are known for single positions. Faker doesn't play support. (Christ, I didn't mean he dodges if he doesn't get midlane, exercise a little bit of good faith huh? 75% of his games are mid, end of story)
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Nanolathe11 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OlTQpReB,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-24T00:53:36.483+0000) > > Oh no I'm not some hacker or employee, he posted them in another thread. I recognized his name. quit stalking me you weirdo
Karunamon (NA)
in > Wanted to play some League, but I guess it was not meant to be
Don't post in threads spreading misinformation if you don't want it corrected.
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Nanolathe11 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OlTQpReB,comment-id=0001000000030000,timestamp=2018-04-24T20:41:28.824+0000) > > Whether they got banned or not has nothing to do with why you got hit with a chat restrict. > > Repeat as many times as necessary: Other people trolling doesn't give you license to troll yes and im sure youre the perfect honorable player every game youve ever played in your life too. you're missing my point and are clearly now just trolling me
Karunamon (NA)
in > Wanted to play some League, but I guess it was not meant to be
Been here since Season 4 and, like most other people that play this game, have managed to never fall to trolling other people. Disagreeing with your public statements isn't trolling.
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Rìveń (EUNE)
: Mate, they've disabled it in pro play because of how gamebreaking it can be, that says something. And to add, when did anyone build rageblade on TF, in a legit build (so no "test builds" or troll builds)?
Karunamon (NA)
in > Hey can we disable Jhin so I can have an actual ban?
>Mate, they've disabled it in pro play because of how gamebreaking it can be, that says something. Indeed. It says that pro play > us plebs.
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remakoro (EUNE)
: Why cant we have both? Automation are just as useless in some cases as handpicking every damn case that can be resolved by checking keywords. For example inting and other somilar behavior. There are people that do it systematically for YEARS and they still go unpunished. AI proved to be quite useless there.
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
The chat filter isn't *just* checking keywords.. that's only for the zero tolerance stuff. It's a lot more sophisticated than that. It has to be to show the behavior we're seeing. Inting is another matter entirely.. and I'm not convinced there is any programmatic solution for it.
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NorthernRedStar (EUW)
: > Even if I end up 0/8/2, which tends to happen when I am on a really bad streak, I am not inting. So you admit you're tilted, still refusing to take a break from the game, keep queueing up and feeding in your games. And somehow, in your shallow mind, you're not inting? There's plenty of stories of men entering the battle field fully aware they're going to die. Would you still claim they're not riding to their deaths? Just because you're not doing something the "strictly by the book" -method doesn't mean you're not doing it at all. Only fools refuse to acknowledge that the term reaches far wider than simply running it down mid at this point. You are guilty, you are inting, and you should stop playing until your mindset changes. "I didn't lie, I simply left out the truth!" ---> same principle.
Karunamon (NA)
in > "inting" has become a slang term at this point rather than a definitional word.
Inting means, strictly, "Willfully getting killed". If you are playing the game with the *intent* to win, you are not inting, end of story. Playing when tilted is not optimal in the same way playing off-meta is not optimal, but non-optimal play # IS NOT BANNABLE. Your definition is absurd and will not be accepted by anyone. You don't get to decide when people do and don't play.
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remakoro (EUNE)
: So you are saying... That people should not be punished at all?
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
No, I'm saying that automation is *required* to keep up with the number of games played and reported.
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Xidphel (NA)
: Who are you talking to?
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
No idea. Think I clicked reply on the wrong thing.
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Fructivore (NA)
: Can you report people for not knowing what role they were assigned to?
Karunamon (NA)
in > Can you report people for not knowing what role they were assigned to?
Wait, in a draft game? How.. how do you not know what your role is when the first thing the client shows after accepting the game, is a depiction of the map with large text front and center saying "YOU WERE ASSIGNED (position)"
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HavokDash (NA)
: actually labelling everything and everyone an "inter" when they arent actually inting has an affect. If players throw around the label of "inter" on teammates who arent actually inting. The rest of the team begins to see that player through the bias of an inter. Everything they then do is seen as trolling, everytime they die it is seen as "Well they died on purpose" It only causes teams to dogpile on one player. So harmless expression? Not really Player A calls Player B an "inter" for dying once From that point on the other 3 players on the team will begin seeing Player B through the lens of an "inter" They will grow suspicious with each death. If he/she gets ambushed, they will begin to say player B "ran into them" The team will look for anything that validates the label
Karunamon (NA)
in > "inting" has become a slang term at this point rather than a definitional word.
This right here is why calling someone an inter is the kind of tilt-bait that that the IFS picks up on.
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Chermorg (NA)
: They already do this. The problem is not they aren’t reviewing the reports. The problem is that players report anyone and everyone and expect them to get punished when there isn’t enough proof to justify a punishment.
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
I'd go a step further and say the problem is that the process is entirely opaque, has little-to-no feedback, and, as a result, there's a strong sentiment that Riot isn't doing anything with the reports.
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shenuneconnerie (EUW)
: DROPHACKING GAME IN 2018
Karunamon (NA)
in > DROPHACKING GAME IN 2018
English title, french comment? Hm. A run through google translate: >Hello dear Summoners. > >Today in my elo who is the Bronze I was playing quietly with a friend in a game that was badly gone to be won when suddenly my vayne in 0/2 suddenly disconnects I take it to the first approaches for a ragequit and an enemy called Malphite aka "The Famous Yasuo" I probably think it's him DISCONNECT ALL my team I do not think it's a riot bug because the disconnection has just hit my team and the enemy team took good advantage to make 1 Nashor 1 drake and destroy our turrets of nexus when all my team reconnected except Vayne the game was already lost. I find it a real shame to lose a game in this way and I thought this barbaric method was executed at a higher level. >Thank you for reading this message hoping to hear from you.
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Metaphorz9 (NA)
: 25 Game Chat Restriction
Karunamon (NA)
in > 25 Game Chat Restriction
So you didn't flame at all, which is _great_, but the other thing to be aware of is that it's not just flaming, it's the *constant* negative attitude. The constant gg's (6 times before the game's over), the demanding to open bot three separate times - that stuff is just as garbage and just as tilty as calling another player bad. **You signed up for the full game**, win or lose, and that means no giving up *aside* from a surrender vote. You give it your all until the nexus pops. And that definitely, **definitely** means you stop filling the chat with how screwed you are. If you feel like the game's so far behind that it's lost, play anyways. Those few comebacks you do get will stick with you for a long time. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
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JamesTheMage15 (NA)
: Its one thing if a player is deliberately trying to aggravate you and you respond negatively
Karunamon (NA)
in > Its one thing if a player is deliberately trying to aggravate you and you respond negatively
you flaming someone = bannable flaming someone because they flamed you first = you flaming someone Just mute them! If someone starts flaming you, that's one person your team has to mute. If you start flaming back, that's *another* person they have to mute, or else they're getting one side of a dumb slapfight.
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Helixarrow (NA)
: Idea: Reporting for Poor Matchmaking
Karunamon (NA)
in > Idea: Reporting for Poor Matchmaking
That actually used to be thing.. there was a report option for low skill that didn't involve punishing anyone, but I believe it was used to gather extra data for calibrating the matchmaking system.
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Galactic EGirl (NA)
: Does riot track after and before game text
Karunamon (NA)
in > Does riot track after and before game text
Yes, but you either have to play out the game and note it in your postgame report, or send in a ticket. BTW: You should scrub the other player names, as you're not allowed to name and shame on the boards.
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Karunamon (NA)
: >That's why I laid out a very specific situation, of which I'm positive any rational person in medium elo can agree is definitely in violation of the terms of use and our game experience. This, right here, is why players are not in charge of what is and is not inting. Smurfs happen, bad matchups happen, absolute fucking curbstomps happen even in high elo. You ever acknowledge the imperfection of this system: >that's intentional feeding or cheating (boosted) _**in most cases.**_ Most != All. Well sorry, I'm not willing to start banning innocent people just because they got a bad matchup. Better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly punished.
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
> [{quoted}](name=9 X,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=L1PPeqqi,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-04-24T23:01:12.196+0000) > > Nah, the difficulty is there are a couple people on the boards who seem to confuse what's right and wrong with the rules Rito Games has set for a video game, when my objective is to change those rules for the better. If I understand you right, the general gist of those rule changes appears to be "smack feeders and trolls harder and faster" (which I am perfectly okay with) and "stop smacking people who participate in troll slapfights rather than using /mute" (which I am in vehement disagreement with), and "people who have extraordinarily bad games at high elo are necessarily intentionally feeding" (which.. no. just no) Am I on track?
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Florpy Dix (NA)
: The Most Common Scenario That Makes League Suck, IMO
Karunamon (NA)
in > The Most Common Scenario That Makes League Suck, IMO
Step 1: Doesn't actually happen. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/02/dev-matchmaking-real-talk/ > # WHY DO I GET WORSE PEOPLE IN MY GAMES WHEN I’M ON A HOT STREAK AND TRYING TO CLIMB? > > This is pretty much an urban myth. Mostly. > > There’s nothing in the MMR system that forces you to have lower-skill teammates or disproportionately higher-skill opponents. We expect every game you play to have a 50 +/-1% chance of your team destroying the Nexus. > > As your MMR goes up, you’ll stop being the “standout” player and your teammates’ skills will be higher. This can also happen to anyone else in the game, which can give the impression that you have “worse” teammates, when really they might just be newcomers to your skill bracket. > > Even if it all goes wrong and you feel like your teammates have been letting you down, you can make use of systems like demotion protection and promo helper to prevent you from being punished for a few “unlucky” games. We think this is the right tradeoff compared to having a volatile rank—being demoted feels rough, and reaching a tier should be a decent indication that you can play at that level. > > — Riot Gortok, Designer, Get in Game Team
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9 X (NA)
: Aha, found the KDA player. Who said anything about a match being filled with feeders? The original poster and myself have noted the designated support refusing to play support in any fashion, outside of perhaps physically being in the lane during the laning phase. Any progress his team may have made was in spite of the Darius, and their team may very well have won had the Darius actually bought a support item and tried to use it as that gold and vision would have surely meant the difference in a kill here or there and situations to capitalize on bigger objectives like barons and inhibitors. Refusing to play meta support is one thing, refusing to buy a support item on top? That defies even the minimum expectations of a support. He also took a ton of CS (which is denying non-support players of gold) and didn't build boots which are practically mandatory on every champion, but especially Darius due to the nature of his kit. He may or may not have been intentionally feeding, but was Darius trying to lose? Absolutely.
Karunamon (NA)
in > unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned
>The original poster and myself have noted the designated support refusing to play support in any fashion, outside of perhaps physically being in the lane during the laning phase. What you have described is "off meta play", not "intentionally losing". (Is there a rule somewhere that stipulates lane position? I don't think there is.) As I said, the game was quite close by every metric available. On top of that, it's a low ELO game. I think what *really* happened is OP got upset when they didn't get to decide how the game played out, started lashing out at the rest of his team, possibly sparking an argument between two of them, and meanwhile the other two players get left with 3 other toxic players. The stats and closeness of this game back me up. I've said all I intend to on this matter, you can have whatever last word you want.
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Karunamon (NA)
: >That's why I laid out a very specific situation, of which I'm positive any rational person in medium elo can agree is definitely in violation of the terms of use and our game experience. This, right here, is why players are not in charge of what is and is not inting. Smurfs happen, bad matchups happen, absolute fucking curbstomps happen even in high elo. You ever acknowledge the imperfection of this system: >that's intentional feeding or cheating (boosted) _**in most cases.**_ Most != All. Well sorry, I'm not willing to start banning innocent people just because they got a bad matchup. Better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly punished.
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
Show me a "wrong punishment" that wasn't quickly resolved. Difficulty: Your definition of "innocent" appears to include people who flame others in the chatbox.
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9 X (NA)
: That's funny, I don't seem to recall the mute function having any effect on a player who outright refuses to play his role and is intentionally trying to lose the game for his team.
Karunamon (NA)
in > unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned
That's funny, the only source that these players are "outright refusing to play their role" and "intentionally trying to lose" is the banned player trying to get his account back. Biased source, perhaps? Meanwhile, let's go look at the match in question: Yorick: 6/12/12 OP: 3/7/10 Karma: 20/5/5 Ezreal: 5/8/11 Darius: 5/5/10 Hell, the Team KDA is *quite* close: 39 / 37 / 48 for his losing team vs 37 / 39 / 38 for the winning team (yeah, his team had two more kills). His team took 7 enemy towers and a dragon. Tell me more about how this match was filled with feeders, please. Oh, it gets better. OP had the second worst KDA, second worst damage, and second worst gold. Perhaps this game could have been *won* if not for OP venting his spleen and trying to play LCS coach. It was pretty close. Perhaps he would have played better if he wasn't too busy flaming people. Things like communication breakdown *do* lose games.
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9 X (NA)
: You're absolutely right, you cannot equate simple numbers to obtain information as to someone's intent. That's why I laid out a very specific situation, of which I'm positive any rational person in medium elo can agree is definitely in violation of the terms of use and our game experience. Rito Games isn't punishing anyone of consequence. I actually just remembered that time I put in a support ticket for Tyler1 hard-inting, even declaring his intention in the chat log and sure enough one of his primary streaming accounts four months later is using that very exact name. No, I don't buy your bullshit. As an organization, Rito Games is legitimately doing nothing about toxicity.
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
>That's why I laid out a very specific situation, of which I'm positive any rational person in medium elo can agree is definitely in violation of the terms of use and our game experience. This, right here, is why players are not in charge of what is and is not inting. Smurfs happen, bad matchups happen, absolute fucking curbstomps happen even in high elo. You ever acknowledge the imperfection of this system: >that's intentional feeding or cheating (boosted) _**in most cases.**_ Most != All. Well sorry, I'm not willing to start banning innocent people just because they got a bad matchup. Better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly punished.
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9 X (NA)
: Well let's not pretend he's talking to a wall either. Odds are the people he was talking to were adding to the fire in their own way, and he simply turned out to be the prime target for online bullying both in-game and through a system that is supposed to discourage the behavior he was no doubt subjected to. From the looks of it, he had a Darius support that didn't even build a gold-generating item. Yes, the Darius thing is against the meta, that in itself doesn't matter much, but if he can't at least get a support item **_for the role he was apparently assigned_** that's throwing away thousands of gold and dozens of wards. Basically playing to lose and that Darius absolutely should have been banned before any consideration of action against the original poster. "Support" that's obviously refusing to play his role straight from the get-go? You can't build a team from nothing. That game was clearly a waste of time and I fully understand the original poster's frustration and grievance. Provided the story is accurate, Darius should have been permanently banned, the game result annulled and everyone else moves on. That would have been justice.
Karunamon (NA)
in > unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned
>Well let's not pretend he's talking to a wall either. Yup. He was talking to four other people who probably don't want to (and are not expected to) put up with someone flaming their performance all game. Let's say you're one of the other two unnamed summoners who got these people in their game. The two "trolls", and OP. Do you think it's fair to them that they have to listen to this slapfight? If it were my game (and they were actually _trolling_, rather than just not doing what the bossy player wanted), I'd have reported all three. The expectations are clear here. You are expected to mute trolls, rather than roll in the shit with them. Doing otherwise is just more trolling.
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9 X (NA)
: He was communicating that he's not going to assist on a low percentage play, ergo making it clear any further actions Swain makes he's on his own because if he tries, he'll likely be caught out and killed himself. He provided constructive advice that his "strategy" simply isn't going to fly. Nothing wrong with this at all. Nah, he was banned because Rito Games' enforcement of the rules is lazy and inconsistent, legitimately all it does is keep a tally on the number of reports and ban if certain key phrases were involved. Just ask anyone who's been banned for simply asking why they were just called the _"n word"_ who had to put in a support ticket to get unbanned.
Karunamon (NA)
in > unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned
Okay. Let's say for a minute that that particular line was totally fine. Let's not pretend *all the other stuff* isn't in there either. "Autofill babys" - much constructive, so nontoxic, very teambuilding. Wow.
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Nanolathe11 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OlTQpReB,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-23T19:27:06.247+0000) > > Yeah you didn't get a 25 game CR from just a "wtf zoe". > Nanolathe11: wtf xzoe? > Nanolathe11: she just stole my red bufff > Nanolathe11: whats ur problem zoe > Nanolathe11: naw now im going to report you for sure after you stold my red buff just to be rude > Nanolathe11: im fine, just no idea why zoe would be toxic to me for trying to help gank and then she takes my red buff just to be rude. i ha > Nanolathe11: sorry i need to farm since people on my own team decide to steal my jungle > Nanolathe11: lol or dont go in with me....im done wit hthis game. my own team steals my jungle and then doesnt engage when i gank.... > Nanolathe11: how can i not feel inspired from that sona speech. idk why everyone talks trash in this game non stop. really makes me not want > Nanolathe11: keep talking trash and see if i help > Nanolathe11: its not hard to just be nice > Nanolathe11: right everyone is good but me we get it thanks > Nanolathe11: not trolling, you guys just dont get it... ive been behind in jungle from the start and then when people steal my jungle its hard to catch up you think the rest of the team got any bans? doubt it. im assuming youve never played jungle before or youd understand. not only did my team steal my jungle but zoe taking a red buff? thats about as toxic as it gets. yet i doubt she got banned. apparently you can DO whatever you want, as long as you dont say anything
Karunamon (NA)
in > Wanted to play some League, but I guess it was not meant to be
>you think the rest of the team got any bans? Whether they got banned or not has nothing to do with why you got hit with a chat restrict. Repeat as many times as necessary: Other people trolling doesn't give you license to troll
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Helixarrow (NA)
: It’s less likely you get paired with awful players and more likely you get matched against players better than you. When you win games, your MMR goes up. The matchmaking is based off of MMR. You start to face people with higher MMR after a winning streak. This gets progressively harder and harder to deal with until you lose, and your MMR starts going down again. This will keep happening, bouncing you back right to where you started, until you are good enough to beat the people at a higher MMR. The system won’t allow you to climb until you get better.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Just won like 5 games in a row, let the losing streak begin!
> [{quoted}](name=Helixarrow,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eY8Kpq0G,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-04-24T14:15:17.501+0000) > > It’s less likely you get paired with awful players and more likely you get matched against players better than you. > > When you win games, your MMR goes up. The matchmaking is based off of MMR. You start to face people with higher MMR after a winning streak. This gets progressively harder and harder to deal with until you lose, and your MMR starts going down again. > > This will keep happening, bouncing you back right to where you started, until you are good enough to beat the people at a higher MMR. The system won’t allow you to climb until you get better. The problem is that it seems less like the enemy team gets better, but more like your team gets worse. No map awareness, bad calls, silly mistakes.
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Ramroom (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bb3cuw3o,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-04-23T18:53:32.055+0000) > > Hello, thank you for reply. I would love to present my evidence of why league is bad. As we all know, Riot games. Am I right? Also, I’ve lost quite a few games recently, which more than justifies why league is dying. Have you seen twitch viewer numbers? Obviously! As for more reasons, we already know. Also, a streamer said something once. > > League is dying. This is a fact. Tell me I’m right. Please. Please tell me. League is in fact deceased, God's speed summoner.
Karunamon (NA)
in > This is my “LoL is dying” post, and I require validation
> [{quoted}](name=Ramroom,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bb3cuw3o,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-04-23T19:00:13.902+0000) > > League is in fact deceased, God's speed summoner. League is dead, long live League! > [{quoted}](name=Yoru No Ikimono,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bb3cuw3o,comment-id=002e,timestamp=2018-04-24T17:39:05.332+0000) > > I've quit because I absolutely despise Zoe and the snowballiness of the game, paired with the evident ineptitude of the balancing team to recognize issues that don't affect the LCS cash cow much. Ain't got a rat's arse to do with the quality of my teams or my own rank. How's that for a reason to quit? ###### shh, this is a circlejerk thread - just let it happen.
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yorickistosmall (NA)
: unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned
Karunamon (NA)
in > unfair banning and how to get a ban overturned
>yorickistosmall: fyi swain next time i dont follow i let u die alone on a play like that Threatening to not help. (Also explicitly called out on the support pages as something that's bannable) >yorickistosmall: im reporting riot can deal with autofill babys yorickistosmall: u didnt ur selected role so now u trolling us Insults and namecalling >yorickistosmall: im reporting riot can deal with autofill babys yorickistosmall: im reporting regardless of games outcome yorickistosmall: enjoy ur report darius Constantly fucking banging on about reports, when this serves to do nothing but harass others. ---- You got banned because your behavior is *way* out of line with the [summoner's code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/) that you agreed to follow. The fact that you got a ban tells me that you were given two previous chances to change your behavior and have not.
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Clev3r0n3 (NA)
: My point exactly, and when the most vocal part of the boards is screaming "STOP BANNING US!" it's a clear indication of a serious problem. Season 2, 3, 4, and 5, it wasn't that bad we had tribunals and the like and yea of course there were some restrictions and some bans but it was a very VERY small part. The last couple season though they instituted autobanning and now people get banned left and right, that's a real issue, it makes the game lackluster. Here's what you think will happen "all the toxic people will get banned and the game will have an improved community". Here's what's actually happening "all of the toxic people are finding partners and clans and then group reporting people that they troll all game and getting them autobanned since bots don't distinguish whats actual toxicity and what's just a group of dicks reporting because they're in a clan". End result? The game will have just as toxic if not a more toxic community but the people who actually enjoyed playing this game will quit and play something else where they don't get banned by toxic idiots.
Karunamon (NA)
in > Riot has killed their own game.
>My point exactly, and when the most vocal part of the boards is screaming "STOP BANNING US!" it's a clear indication of a serious problem. Indeed. That problem is that those people who lost their accounts for toxicity aren't banned from the boards as well. ###### sort of kidding
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Chermorg (NA)
: Heya, I know the link was kinda important to your post, but although it appeared innocent it's actually to a website that violates Riot's Terms of Use. I've removed it for this reason. If you have any questions about this please do not hesitate to contact us in the [Boards Moderation Discord server](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification).
Karunamon (NA)
in > PSA: Why the tribunal is never coming back
D'oh, I wasn't even paying attention to what kinda site that was. My bad :)
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