: Similar to my reply to someone else above, I agree that saying that I plan on reporting someone isn't helpful or beneficial. If that is enough to trigger a punishment, then alright, I'll take it. But is it really that horrible of a comment to be dumping my chat log into the category of the worst 5% of players, the same ones receiving punishments? I would say the answer is no. The other thing to question is the act of supporting mid instead of bot. When your adc is a complete troll, or is abusing you in chat, one thing to do is to mute and play on, but roaming mid is considered reportable? It sickens me that I am forced to support someone and put my trust into someone who is flat out inting, or telling me to kill myself. If I don't support him, and support mid instead, all of a sudden I'm the bad guy. I have to pick between being shit on/supporting a troll (both of which likely lead to a loss), or being eventually banned by roaming mid.
>But is it really that horrible of a comment to be dumping my chat log into the category of the worst 5% of players, the same ones receiving punishments? Tl;dr: Yes. Most people don't name call and so forth. This isn't DOTA, this isn't CSGO. Standards are a bit different here. It's not about it being "horrific" (people get instant 2 week bans for that), it's about it being against the standards here. That's all. >The other thing to question is the act of supporting mid instead of bot. When your adc is a complete troll, or is abusing you in chat, one thing to do is to mute and play on, but roaming mid is considered reportable? You weren't "roaming mid", you told your ADC that you weren't helping them anymore. Not the same thing. The reason that bot is always an ADC/Supp combo is because of the C in ADC. They can't solo worth beans early game, doubly so when you're leaving them 2v1. Worse yet, the way the game is now, losing botlane is usually a prelude to losing the game. Think about it - that's a few hundred gold plus assist for the kill they will absolutely get, plus gold for their whole team for getting first turret, plus two or three creep waves worth of gold, plus lost XP and CS your ADC isn't getting anymore. Your anger has caused a lane to be lost, put your team at a serious gold disadvantage, and put your chances of winning in the toilet. Fuck the annoying guy, ignore their chat, but you're not playing for their or your benefit, you're playing to get your team a win. Nothing else matters. To put it bluntly, if your ego is more important than the win, you need to play a different game.
Hellmet (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=VanaQuish,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bJ7AQ8eO,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-18T18:34:41.440+0000) > > True but you cant call your game competitive when there is a small chance of putting you in a role that you are not good enough. And WILL never be equal to your main role. Simple as that. The game promotes maining roles and autofill contradicts it. This is the heart of the problem right here. They put together an environment that is supposed to be 'competitive' but yet the autofill system is actually anti competitive for ranked. It's like you focus on being the QB and you put all your effort into being the best QB you can.. then all of a sudden the coach says for this game, you are going to return kicks... wait what? That's the main problem. And let's not forget how it promotes toxicity in the game.. because if you don't play that auto fill role to the level that you are playing your main then everybody starts raging against you. It's short sighted of Riot.
Don't get me wrong I agree - most good players are OTPs with one particular role or champ. Faker isn't a support main for a reason. However, I'm not sure what's to be done about it. Nobody likes to play JG or Supp, and so either it's autofills or absurdly long queue times. I'd personally go for incentives for playing needed roles rather than risking some guy on my team getting a role he didn't want.
VanaQuish (EUNE)
: You cant learn all roles equally good
Can’t and won’t are two different things....
: So if I'm rude I deserve a chat ban? great logic.
That's pretty much exactly the logic, yes. If you're using the chatbox to flame, complain, harass, etc, then you will receive a chat ban. The chat box exists to help strategize and win, not for you to vent your spleen.
: Chat Restriction but Not Toxic?
>Seiten Air: dude reported Announcing it isn't cool and will get you in trouble. If you're going to report someone, just do it. No need to harass about it - people have been {{summoner:11}}'ed for it. >Seiten Air: ok im done >Seiten Air: bye >Seiten Air: gonna support mid instead This reads like you left your ADC on their own because they annoyed you - at that point you started putting your needs above your team's. This is also seriously uncool, and is in fact called out in the summoner's code specifically as something you're not supposed to do. >Seiten Air: i told you the trist was toxic Namecalling isn't cool. All of these are why you got a chat restrict. What you should do next time someone is toxic is: 1. Mute them - in the chatbox, type /mute (their name) or /mute @(their champion) 2. Don't tell them, or bang on about it. Mute them and be done. 3. Continue to play the game in your assigned position and role 4. Report them after the game
Sir Boing (EUW)
: How to recover form a 14 day bann
I don't think there's a hard and fast number. I've heard things like ~150 games or 6 months, but those aren't official.
: Need one more for Flex Queue (Supp prefer)
Casual support here, {{champion:37}} /{{champion:267}} main. What are your normal times like?
: Honorable Gaming
A couple of these might be making their way into my macros. Definitely leaves a better feel than a possibly-passive-aggressive GG! Well done!
gunsgod (EUW)
: account suspended for "abusive,player-reported,comms
Only thing I see objectionable here is >gunsgod: pussy >gunsgod: so if im getting rep ill just int now Guessing someone who didn't see the humor in that reported you. Gotta be careful with sarcasm and hyperbole over chat, not everyone gets it. Support ticket is definitely the way to go.
: Hello,I would like to explain and got replied in my PERMABAN
Definitely open up a support ticket. Just looking at the game results, you only had 3% worse KDA than your Yorick as a support, you were putting wards down, participated in a quarter of your team's kills, your build looks reasonable, and you're basically doing normal support-ey things - you just got stomped hard. THAT BEING SAID - they generally don't permaban for inting, that tells me that either you were coming off of a 14 day ban already for something else. If you get in trouble for ANYTHING after a 14 day, the next step is always a permanent.
: I will forever - for fucking ***ever*** - contest that multiple reports 'in one sitting have no effect' are ***NOT TRUE***. I have been victim to this and will tell you straight up that Riot fucking lies. You'll be better off if you stop holding them up on a pedestal. And I never said the OP didn't type. I never said a restriction had to have chat logs.
Contest it all you want, you're still wrong. The Rioter that wrote the system copy pasted the relevant code from the reporting system for crying out loud. If you got punished, it's because you did something punishable. End of story.
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=ewtKjAA9,comment-id=044e,timestamp=2017-11-17T20:51:12.098+0000) > > Looks like you have a nice group here, but the requirement to participate in yet another web forum (especially given that you have a Discord) is kind of a deal breaker. Time is limited :/ We try and keep it that way! One of the reasons we have been around as long as we have is due to our website and forum community. When you branch a bunch of changing games over time, it pays to have a common ground for all. We're all adults here, and we know that time is limited. However, couple posts a month isn't all that bad. I mean, we do it on Reddit and Facebook all the time haha.
Fair point, I just know what would happen with me - I'd be in the discord all the time (since I've got like 10 groups in there right now) and probably never touch the website, which isn't enough for full membership :(
: Banned for talking to my wife.
Post your chat log. AFKing is punished with low priority queue, not a ban.
: "You Must Be Low Elo, For You To Be..." (Disclaimer: Rant Post)
*Strictly speaking*, >I'm just sitting there wondering how my low rank automatically makes me trash at the game. ..is exactly correct. Your rank is the measure of how good you are at the game. That said, flaming because of it is just stupid.
regaline (NA)
: I really don't think i deserved a chat restrict for this
Negative attitude, refusing to help team, namecalling. Yes, that's toxic. Don't chat if you're not helping your team win with it.
mah1me (EUNE)
: > You said the word "kys" in a public chat with 3 other people who don't know the context. Ban deserved. Indeed, those three people will now have their life ruined for all eternity, and they will be forced to eat the forbidden fruit for breakfast for the rest of their days. Thank god we have the ban system to prevent people from ruining the lives of others like that! You're brainwashed. > You are calling other people's names? Pretty unsportsmanlike dude. But it takes more than "once". Either way, ban deserved. You called someone an idiot once in your childhood? He must be dead now, probably lost his family and money too before dying. I think you should be permanently thrown into jail for using that word once in your childhood. Oh no wait, you called him an idiot _twice_ on separate occasions that occurred weeks apart? Either way, you're brainwashed. > Doesn't exist in Riot's private back yard. Don't like it? Go play DOTA. Yeaaah... Brainwashed. > This is not only not correct, it's not even wrong. It's a hyperbole.
TIL not wanting people to shitpost in chat is equivalent to brainwashing. Like I said - bye. Not one bit of the behavior your described will be even sort of missed.
: MadCast Gaming Is Looking For Mature Members
Looks like you have a nice group here, but the requirement to participate in yet another web forum (especially given that you have a Discord) is kind of a deal breaker. Time is limited :/
: No.. I would be punished and lose ip... why would I dodge?
Because the LP loss for a dodge is much less than the LP loss from losing your game because you got stuck with a role you hate or don't know.
mah1me (EUNE)
: We're all being brainwashed. Words don't kill, there's a limit to everything but this isn't it.
>You said the word "kys" to your IRL friend who you're laughing with on discord? Banned. You said the word "kys" in a public chat with 3 other people who don't know the context. Ban deserved. >You called someone an idiot once? Banned. You are calling other people's names? Pretty unsportsmanlike dude. But it takes more than "once". Either way, ban deserved. >What happened to the freedom of speech? Doesn't exist in Riot's private back yard. Don't like it? Go play DOTA. >Saying hi to your teammates will get you banned, you're distracting them from the game. >Making a baron call will get you banned, since you're telling other people what to do. This is not only not correct, it's not even wrong. >I think my time with League is over, I had some fun but the system is a joke. >Thanks, bye. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/345/sizwqikzcgjyatxpyl7n.jpg
: {{sticker:sg-ahri-3}} No sorry, but I think you should at least know basic stuff about other roles. Imagine being a Diamond Rank ADC, but a Bronze Rank JG or Support. I'm sorry but you'd overall bad at the game. Only people well rounded get far, not OTK that only play mid or feed. And you might say it's asking too much to learn all the roles. It's not rocket science, and it's not asking the impossible. A good player is a good player, no matter in which position you're in.
No sorry, most people are their most skilled at one role, even up to and including the pro players.
: See I can play EVERY damn lane... but I can't jungle. Then in a ranked match, WHILE IN MY PROMOS, I get auto filled jungle https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/m8QXqDRdHkc6MJHpuUU0BaoOGao=/0x0:1205x798/1200x800/filters:focal(513x122:743x352)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55474495/Screen_Shot_2017_06_27_at_1.05.21_PM.0.png
Can you dodge the lobby?
: But supports are fun. You're not a lacky, you're an enabler. Too many people are stuck in the "I'm only having fun if I'm 10/2" mentality.
And as a bonus, your queue times are wicked short. Not taking dodgers into account I roughly get into a game well under the estimated time.
Thryale (NA)
: okay, but how much of that data includes queue dodging and players getting reassigned roles? I've had numerous ranked games get queue dodged 1-2 times where the first and second time queue pops I'm in the role I selected, but the final time queue pops I'm stuck in an auto-filled role because league can't remember the position you were assigned the first time queue popped.
This is actually an interesting question @SapMagic - do your queue time metrics take new lobbies into account? I know that when you get kicked back out to the wait screen, the timer continues from its previous position, but in team select you could have lost anywhere from around a minute (if the first person to ban didn't do so, to around 4 minutes (if the last person to pick didn't do so).
Weedbro (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Bettnachleger,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eAtatTwG,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-17T08:45:38.744+0000) > > It's really a little bit like real life. If you behave well for your whole life, and then suddenly you rob a bank or whatever, you will get jailed. > It doesn't really matter that you behaved well your whole life. (except, that the punishment is maybe not that harsh like it would be for a repeater) This is a really shitty fair weather double standard that doesn't promote honorable behavior, it punishes it, Just like in real life. I realize this is not an intuitive statement for most, so I'll explain. When someone is being a dick to you, or failing the team so badly that it literally would have been better if they went afk, 0/6/0 adc who hasn't gotten a single objective, not even a dragon. Not even one damn assist. The very same ADC is wholeheartedly flaming you for not ganking enough, or not successfully enough. The honorable thing of course is to say nothing or try to be encouraging, right? How many of you would actually enjoy saying nothing or be encouraging towards a person who is actively contributing to your game being worthless, and taking a big crap on your shoulder at the same time? This honor system makes it so that you can't even verbally defend yourself, your sole option is to run to teacher like a 5 year old and tattle on them. I personally find that counter-intuitive, when someone is being a dick to me my first impulse is to just tell them off, rather than go to the Cyber Authorities. This is NOT how it works in real life. If you go crying to the manager of the mall every time someone says "Fuck you" in real life, they will ignore you, and later on get downright hostile towards you for wasting their time. Maybe the honor system bans someone, guess what's happen then. They are never going to play a free to play game ever aga... oh wait they are just going to make a brand new account and be toxic yet again, because it is a universal truth that humanity doesn't believe they are wrong. Nobody thinks they are evil. I guarantee you that at least 95% of all people who have been banned don't feel they deserve it. Also just like in real life, this system makes it so that most everyone will automatically try to figure out every possible way to circumvent it. TLDR-honor system makes it so that your only recourse is the most childish, anti-real life method, which is tattling, meanwhile, the entire system is flawed because people don't think they are evil, so they are going to automatically think the system is unfair. Finally, like IRL, people will go through hell and high water to figure out how to circumvent any rules so they can say what they want without getting punished. There is no way any bot can keep up with that basic desire to communicate. I mean, jesus, this is one of the basic blocks of society, one of the formative powers on on language itself, so many words have came into being because some other word was banned via social contract. With all that said, I do think there should be a system in place, it's just the current one is way, way, WAY too fast on the draw. It's a system that ironically has no aloha, despite trying to promote an aloha spirit by attempting to reduce toxicity. Because it's so quick to just smash you to honor zero over so little, it ...just has no aloha. It doesn't feel good. It feels like i'm being forced to conform to a super judgey standard that makes no sense to begin with as adults say things to each other, they don't run and tattle to a higher power.
> your sole option is to run to teacher like a 5 year old and tattle on them Or mute them. Reporting or not reporting is up to you, but whether you hear chat from a nasty player is entirely within your control.
Eluhh (OCE)
: Why is it even a tactic to try and tilt other players?
Because someone who's on tilt probably plays worse. It's all about mind games. As long as we're not talking tox, it's a legitimate tactic.
: So if a bully is mouthing off to someone or being a jerk you think it's ok to stand by be quiet and not say a word? Stand up for other people, stand up for yourself, represent yourself and the rest of your team (who still wants to win) by encouraging them to ignore them. Which is exactly what I did.
>So if a bully is mouthing off to someone or being a jerk you think it's ok to stand by be quiet and not say a word? The only word you should be saying is /mute. Like I said in the other thread, you'll either quit doing it or eventually get perma'd. Your choice.
: Gotta love when people put helpful annotations and edit the chat logs as they see fit in order to "help us understand". You know what you said and why you were punished, be thankful it wasn't a Perma.
This is actually an interesting case. Killing yourself (as in your champion, not the player!) as an excuse to go back and regen or buy is a legitimate tactic in ARAM. It's an interesting newbie trap I'd never considered before.
: >Words have different meanings to different people. Which means using words that have a history of being insults is a terrible idea. You were just giving me a hard time about empathy, you know? Do you want the rift to be a place where telling people to kill themselves and calling them %%%s is normal? I sure don't. >Do you really think that typing something like k*s is a genuine encouragement? Do you really think it matters? Why is it on the person on the recieving end of abuse to determine the intent of the person BMing them, when the fact that they're being BMed at all *is the actual problem*?
But that's just it - everyone *is* held to that standard. Automatically. Say those words, get reported, get a 2 week. Riot's financials are just fine. The full issue is that those words are said. The answer is to punish those that do so. I'm really not seeing the problem here :/
: >Words have different meanings to different people. Which means using words that have a history of being insults is a terrible idea. You were just giving me a hard time about empathy, you know? Do you want the rift to be a place where telling people to kill themselves and calling them %%%s is normal? I sure don't. >Do you really think that typing something like k*s is a genuine encouragement? Do you really think it matters? Why is it on the person on the recieving end of abuse to determine the intent of the person BMing them, when the fact that they're being BMed at all *is the actual problem*?
And it's why you're only facing a 14 day ban instead of a perma.
: Words have different meanings to different people. The only real mistake some of us have made is to use the wrong words to express ourselves. Do you really think that typing something like k*s is a genuine encouragement?
>Words have different meanings to different people. Which means using words that have a history of being insults is a terrible idea. You were just giving me a hard time about empathy, you know? Do you want the rift to be a place where telling people to kill themselves and calling them %%%s is normal? I sure don't. >Do you really think that typing something like k*s is a genuine encouragement? Do you really think it matters? Why is it on the person on the recieving end of abuse to determine the intent of the person BMing them, when the fact that they're being BMed at all *is the actual problem*?
: I can say the exact same thing until 2 days ago. As well as being honor level 5 on my account. The difference between you and I is that I'm not conceited enough to believe that good people are above making mistakes.
A mistake including encouragement of suicide and homophobic slurs? > Doom Bot Talon: i lost got hella packet loss > Doom Bot Talon: turned on the lag switch > Doom Bot Talon: teh fuck > Doom Bot Talon: %%%got scripters > Doom Bot Talon: kys > Doom Bot Talon: piss off > Doom Bot Talon: get banned > Doom Bot Talon: onkly talk shit when you dont feed your lane > Doom Bot Talon: vayne hard carry That's not "a mistake", that's utter jerkitude. And you know better.
: That sounds ignorant. No one on here should act like they are a saint and have never made a mistake before.
Account since season 3, not even so much as a chat restrict. Contrary to popular belief, not treating other people like shit isn't hard.
Durzaka (NA)
: His ban rate is one of the highest (third highest in fact), and yet his win rate is nearly one of the worst in the entire game. So what exactly does that tell you about the character? Not that he is overpowered, like everyone on Boards cries. But simply that people don't want to fight against him.
>So what exactly does that tell you about the character? Not that he is overpowered, like everyone on Boards cries. But simply that people don't want to fight against him. He's just plain un-fun to play against, in a way I don't think any other champ is. Windwall is a huge part of that - being able to 'nope' most ranged ults with the press of a low-cost button. (Much interactive, so counterplay, very skill. Wow.) Even a Wood 5 Yas is just plain irritating. He moves too fast to punish, powers up passively with the movement pattern any champ will use, can clear waves stupid quick even at early levels, and I fucking loathe his VOs. Most troublesome champs have a strategy that I can go over as the game loads. Blitz? Stay behind the minions. Katarina? Stay away from the damn knife. Teemo? Tread carefully around the jungle, sweepers and control wards FTW. Yasuo? God dammit. Looks like I'm hiding under tower and hoping I have CC and listening to **HASAGI!!!!11** all fucking game long. I'd rather play against a Challenger Teemo than a Wood Yasuo.
Arcathos (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Loki Naelos,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=anB6xMLq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-16T20:26:45.256+0000) > > riot has said before that it is griefing and bannable.... but only if the winning team says it if the losing team says it apparantly its in good humor... having said that though i find it on the same lvl as the old GG... not all games are good and saying GG to a team you just stomped when obviously it was not a GG for them is rude. and apparantly saying BG is considered griefing and bannable also whether you win or lose Really? I'm not supposed to say "GG" after I stomp a team? I feel like it'd be ruder to say "Thanks for playing" or something. It's like rubbing salt in a fresh wound. However I think GG is neutral and just a form of respect like saying "Sorry this one was rough, but good job doing your best and good luck in the future games". I'm asking because I'm curious. I'm not trying to fight this point. I'm legitimately curious, because I've never been upset over "gg" but I have gotten a little tilted at the "gg ez" (especially when it's the laner I stomped saying it because his ass got carried).
>I feel like it'd be ruder to say "Thanks for playing" or something. It's like rubbing salt in a fresh wound. Intent doesn't really translate well over text. GGEZ is pretty obvious, but just a plain old "GG" could be passive-aggressive or it could just be the plain old good-sportsmanship handshake.
: Threads in this section of the boards dont get much accomplished, because they are instantly mass downvoted by people who are unwilling to put themselves in the offender’s shoes.
The offender got what they had coming in the vast majority of complaints posted on this board. I don't need to put myself in the shoes of someone who can't control their chat to determine that I wouldn't ever want them on my team.
: It's my first report since I started playing this game 5 months ago. You would of done the same thing, anyone would. Anytime someone says something in chat, you could call it unacceptable/annoying. In that case whats the point of having chat? The whole reason riot is implementing this BS gestapo stuff is that they want L.O.L. to be more appealing to a wider audience. Doesn't seem like this game has a competitive aspect where you should try your hardest and work together. Seems like now it's all game just playing for fun, and if someone is mean or toxic don't speak up and just take it up the ass.
>if someone is mean or toxic don't speak up and just take it up the ass. Report them after the game. That is your recourse. This "BS gestapo stuff" as you put it is necessary because people (including yourself) haven't quite figured out that the point of your team is to win the game. If you're putting people on tilt, you are harming that goal. Take the advice, or don't. You're the one that's going to suffer if you don't change your behavior.
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UFJ6Q1k3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-15T21:59:04.930+0000) > > Your entire chat consists of berating your team (strike 1), calling for reports (strike 2), and calling them names (strike 3, you're out). > > Your restriction is completely justified in this case. Never berated the whole team, only the intentional feeder who went 0/9 who flamed and complained all game. Where did I call for a report? I literally told my team8s to stop argueing with her, use the ignore button and leave her alone if she wants to "run it down mid". If someone is intentionally feeding, flaming, verbally abuses EVERYONE of course I'm going to call them toxic, that isn't name calling.
>If someone is intentionally feeding, flaming, verbally abuses EVERYONE of course I'm going to call them toxic, that isn't name calling. _**Yes, it is.**_ The fact that you got a chat restriction for it proves it. If someone is being abusive, mute them (/mute <theirname> in the chat). You won't hear another word from them from then on. If you're broadcasting annoyance into the chat box, you're using it wrong. All you're doing, in that case, is helping put other people on tilt.
: Agreed, way too harsh. I'm seeing a lot of threads like this recently and prepare for down-votes. You said the magic 3 letters that result in an instant 14 day ban according to riot, and people seem to be ok with that. Idk why. edit: brigade instantly got me, this post went down from 4 up-votes back to 0 xD
>and people seem to be ok with that. Idk why. Because encouraging people to take their lives *over a video game* is reprehensible.
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=GoldenMercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=iwT9nAcQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-16T02:22:15.604+0000) > > RIOT discourages mean language use towards others. They extremely hate promoting suicide, or any curse set upon others. People get perma banned for saying mean stuff like that, 14 day is not that bad. Next time, just mute the annoying one because RIOT does not care about if you only did that one time or something, but anything that harms or ruins others emotions or game should be punished. You should have said something along the lines : flamming would not help the team and also make the game less enjoyable. I suggest you to work hard and everyone should try their best from now on, most importantly have fun! And if they continue to annoy, mute him and if he says anything that harms your feelings, send RIOT a report. They hate promoting suicide and yet they promote gambling and underage spending. Quality logic.
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Askald (NA)
: Dont allow downvoting
>A lot of people are simply downvoting posts for sadistic pleasure which is really disheartening I hope Riot could look into this and find a solution to this problem. Downvoting posts doesn't harm you in any way, it isn't flaming, trolling, or anything else. Why are you taking it so personally and ascribing emotions to others you've never even met? You know what will get your posts downvoted? Calling other people names.
Azadethe (NA)
: 1) I'm an economist. I thrive on statistics. However: There is no report nor a quantifiable sample of tangible data for which a statistician outside of Riot to actually run a regression on. Thus, it is both an impossible number to disprove or verify. 2) There's several spot observations which when taken into account can at least support the theory that it's a fake number: a) The number never changes, even though the process of governing discipline has, and the player sample size has. b) The observation of toxicity in the community among playing thousands of games/year and seeing hundreds of toxic interactions is far too high for an automatic response system that reliably disciplines, not to have a proportionate sample size of punishments. c) The experience of leveling new accounts is heavily influenced by constantly observing players whose skill level does not represent that of a new player or even a prodigy, but rather when questioned, people who admit they are remakes. Even those who aren't asked, often admit to being Gold-bronze remakes. It's actually so rare for someone to act like a first time player, that only 1 person per approximately 10 games that I have played had no reaction response to combat, 30% cs capture or worse, haven't understood lanes, jungles, the purposes of each. It's hard as an actual player to extrapolate real data here, but the experience suggests far more people than quoted statistics exposures get banned. d) Only about 2 in 5 players has Honor 3 when playing with 400+ games near the end of the season. This suggests the other 3/5 have had some level of punishment, and just 1 offense has a quick recovery of honor (I've went from Honor 0 to Honor 2 in about 35 games after a first infraction; Higher infractions take longer). So that suggests most of those 60% have at least 2 infractions. e) Not really a game observable by everyone: Almost every Diamond - Gold on my friends list openly admits to perma bans at some point in time. 2 is ordered in hypothetical significance. Riot has a legitimate reason to post a false ban rate. It is presented in a shameful manner as an attempt to reform human behavior. By citing you are in the .005% (One in 20,000) they present the argument you are extremely rare, and at the same time they reinforce that their system is effective, and that the player base is sportsmanlike. By doing so, a) They are attempting to emulate reform in base human responses b) They sell the idea to investors that their community is less risky and c) They demonstrate to athletic leagues and sponsors like college that they follow rules and norms set to participate within a competitive sports environment among ALL their players (when in reality, the only area of the game in which people are sportsmanlike, are at tournament level players and those slightly below with ambitions of being there. [and even some of them get banned]) Disclosure: I'm not defending bad behavior. I'll take responsibility for what I put out. I'm just responding to a false assumption that a vast minority of players get banned or are bad sportsmen. The majority are.
1) Not unless you think Riot is lying about it - the fact that they put out a number leads me to believe that it is true, they have no reason to outright lie when something else like "a tiny minority" works better. The reasons you put forward assume a great deal of bad faith without a shred of substantiation. And honestly, they have no reason to ever release those stats anyways. If they're still similar, people will use them as justification to say not enough is being done. If they don't release them, see your post. 2A) Not all that significantly it hasn't. 2B) You're an economist, so you know better than to try to correlate your individual experience (and for that matter, this NA region board) to a larger trend. Furthermore, there's the fact that * It takes tox over a long period of time before chat bans are issued (i.e. unlike the IFS trigger words, just being a jerk in the chatbox won't get you even punished unless you do it on the regular) * You don't get to know when chat bans are issued unless either your report triggered it, or the punishment was handed out in some short period of time after the report (per Tantram) You simply cannot make any kind of useful inferences beyond your own play, which compared against tens of millions of people, is insignificant. 2C) Same thing. I'm also curious how you have any insight on sub-30 accounts given that your account is S3 and you wouldn't be getting matched with newbies anyways. 2D) 400 games *within your ELO, region, and matchmaking*. That greatly influences the kind of player you're going to encounter. Further, you don't climb honor ranks unless youre.. uh.. getting honored. If you just play, but don't communicate, and aren't that good, people have no reason to click your name on the end screen -> you won't be climbing up from 2 all that fast. Being friendly counts for a lot.
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=iwT9nAcQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-16T01:49:04.334+0000) > > Encouraging suicide is zero tolerance and will get you banned the first time it happens. You've done it at least once, so you should be banned as well. Everyone has said it at least once due to the toxic environment of League.
I can say with complete certainty and wager my one and only account that I have never told someone to kill themselves.
Ezekiél (NA)
: Whatever happened to chat restrictions?
Encouraging suicide is zero tolerance and will get you banned the first time it happens.
Anhrak (EUW)
: Ranked w/ Leavers/AFK's
Makes sense, but the problem is that you'll then get into a position where teams will have a sacrificial leaver to avoid losing their position in a losing game.
Chermorg (NA)
: 1. When people buy new accounts and continue to be toxic, those accounts are quickly banned. Further, accounts that are purchased are extremely easy to detect and get banned pretty quickly once they're bought and played on. 2. The current system is working quite a bit better than the old "permanent chat restriction" system was. Most players permanently banned either don't come back at all or come back at a much lower level than they were active before, and those who do come back are not often toxic. Of those who come back and are still toxic, they are swiftly banned again.
Re 1: Do they really get detected and banned quickly? If that were the case, I'd expect the secondary account market to be nearly dead and there to be fewer bots in vAI and ARAMs. They seem as strong as ever.
magezzo (NA)
: if you notice the people shunning this are the people who do nothing but lurk this subforum all day long flaming anyone who has any ideas for reform of our current, broken system
I think it's broken alright, just not in the way you think it is. I think that toxic play ruins far too many games before something is done about them. if I were in Riot's shoes, I'd be dropping the hammer a lot harder and faster. And let's be honest, you haven't been "flamed" here. It's ironic that you characterize your treatment in this thread as "flaming" and then turn around and accuse others of being overly sensitive.
magezzo (NA)
: so they once again lied
Uh, dude, that's not a lie. Number of reports carries no weight whatsoever. What proof do you have otherwise that trumps **the guy that wrote the system**?
: Hey if you get bait banned you should still be banned. You should know better than to say zero tolerance phrases.
I.. disagree. As the guy who made this thread could tell you, trolls are doing things like "say the British word for cigarette or I feed". Then they do it, not really understanding the danger, and boom, 2 week ban after the game.
Strilter (NA)
: I think spamming GG at the end of the game is toxic behavior... because it had to be a bad game for someone to result in the other team winning... therefore they are belittling the other team by throwing their victory in their face when they should just be quiet and "humble in victory" ....
Spamming maybe, but in most of my games, both sides say GG even after a surrender. You can't really determine intent. And really it's good sportsmanship either way. Even on the LCS stage where SKT got roflstomped, they shook hands afterward.
: "Instant" 14-day ban? {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Sorry, but that's so unbelievable. I've done worse and only gone up one 1 tier in punishment at a time. This is obviously a repeating occurrence, and without a chat log I'm not so sure in believing that you only used 1 curse word.
No, it's quite true. There's an issue now where trolls are exploiting the instant feedback system to get people banned. (Variants on "say kys or I feed"). If you do it, they report you, and you get a 14 day ban about 7 minutes after the game.
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