Kabraxis (NA)
: There's just too many reasons to list and I don't feel like going through them all and pointing to the flaws in your statement. Was my answer vague? Yes, absolutely but it's really not my job to educate you on things like marketing and creating non-toxic communities for people.
Uh huh. Well I can tell you're obviously someone who's going to go places with your superb wordcraft and power to change minds. GL
: > [{quoted}](name=Kendren1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eX2HNv54,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-10-13T07:26:58.590+0000) > > Lol its always funny how many silvers and below are covinced adc is in a good state just because they cant stick on one because of poor mechanics. Two seasons ago i use to be able to get an acc to dia with a 75% winrate on adcs, now ive totally abandoned the role except to play for fun. > > To give u an example of why, if i go even on a bruiser top, and my bot lane hard feeds enemy adc, if it is anything but vayne i can still kill that adc with my flash up. So every 5 minutes the best that adc can do in a teamfight is maybe a 1 for 1 with me. This isnt even a question, and it wouldnt be hard, most players plat+ would be able to do the same even against the best adcs. This is compounded with the fact that the adc's skill levek probably also had very little to do with whether they won lane in the first place. Its almost always going to come down to which bot had the better supp/jg. > > The three major problems making that role irrelevant is them being the weakest champions on the map b4 items, the fact that once the games snowballing one direction or another its usually pretty decided, as well as what is the point of sustainable damage in a meta that everyones able to kill in one combo? > > Ya fk what riot did to the role. i cant agree more, even perkz, imaqtpie and most other professional adc mains say the role is really weak, but because they're not 100% being traded out for bruisers and mages bot lane, they're still considered relevant? Tristana is being picked up in mid and top because she has the ability to burst turret plating, hence why you run demolish on her now.. and if you watch competitive you're actually seeing them stray away from picking "marksmen" Syndra, Kayle, Garen, Veigar, Heimerdinger, while there are SOME like Tristana, Lucian, Xayah, Kai'sa, Vayne, that are being picked, they're being picked because of little niche things, (tristanas ability to push turrets, Xayah Lucians ability to use essence, Kai'sa and Vaynes ability to take on tanks and deal mixed damage plus theres ezreal, but i don't wanna waste more of your time reading xD) we had our base stats destroyed and now we're just sitting here reaching for crumbs
> [{quoted}](name=Call me Jayce,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eX2HNv54,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-10-13T11:31:47.219+0000) > > i cant agree more, even perkz, imaqtpie and most other professional adc mains say the role is really weak, but because they're not 100% being traded out for bruisers and mages bot lane, they're still considered relevant? Tristana is being picked up in mid and top because she has the ability to burst turret plating, hence why you run demolish on her now.. and if you watch competitive you're actually seeing them stray away from picking "marksmen" Syndra, Kayle, Garen, Veigar, Heimerdinger, while there are SOME like Tristana, Lucian, Xayah, Kai'sa, Vayne, that are being picked, they're being picked because of little niche things, (tristanas ability to push turrets, Xayah Lucians ability to use essence, Kai'sa and Vaynes ability to take on tanks and deal mixed damage plus theres ezreal, but i don't wanna waste more of your time reading xD) we had our base stats destroyed and now we're just sitting here reaching for crumbs I think the only reason there aren't more bruiser bot lanes atm is its less "safe". You'll be down in levels compared to a solo lane because shared exp, and if you DO lose bot as a bruiser it becomes incredibly hard to farm, and even harder to ever be useful. Mage bots I think are actually really strong, just no one has popularized them in this meta. I did a syndra/swain bot lane where the enemy bot lane basically didnt get to play the game. We just killed them every time either of our long range CC's landed, and I honestly have no idea what they could have done to do better than auto feed us. It is always nice to have an ADC at the teamfight phase of the game, if solely because they make very good bait for risky dives lol. They will of course also still deal with most objectives dmg, but that doesn't really give them much carry potential, especially if they couldn't even go even in lane.
Kabraxis (NA)
: > Ya this is somethin I've never gotten. Why ban players in a free to play game? What sense does it make at all? Uh..many reasons. It makes a lot of sense actually.
Sufficiently vague as to be inarguable i guess.
lluxxdot (EUW)
: How are you meant to climb when everyone feeds
Honestly i'd recommend not rly worrying about it. This seasons about as anti fun as a video game can get, and if u climb in s9... no ones rly going to care, because the ranked system is such a shit show atm. I feel like the toxicity ur experiencing is also coming from the generally low player moral and people giving up on caring about their ranked games because of this problem. Its depressing but riot kinda broke this game, mb next season wont suck but who knows.
: my thoughts on season 9 i hope you enjoy reading
Lol its always funny how many silvers and below are covinced adc is in a good state just because they cant stick on one because of poor mechanics. Two seasons ago i use to be able to get an acc to dia with a 75% winrate on adcs, now ive totally abandoned the role except to play for fun. To give u an example of why, if i go even on a bruiser top, and my bot lane hard feeds enemy adc, if it is anything but vayne i can still kill that adc with my flash up. So every 5 minutes the best that adc can do in a teamfight is maybe a 1 for 1 with me. This isnt even a question, and it wouldnt be hard, most players plat+ would be able to do the same even against the best adcs. This is compounded with the fact that the adc's skill levek probably also had very little to do with whether they won lane in the first place. Its almost always going to come down to which bot had the better supp/jg. The three major problems making that role irrelevant is them being the weakest champions on the map b4 items, the fact that once the games snowballing one direction or another its usually pretty decided, as well as what is the point of sustainable damage in a meta that everyones able to kill in one combo? Ya fk what riot did to the role.
: Would say I disagree with marksman being weak overall. As a nunu main marksman are generally my lifeblood and key to victory over other champs. Given mages/bruisers aren't being picked down bas replacements like last season, I'd say a majority of marksman are strong enough to be relevent, the single exception being varus.
> [{quoted}](name=TheSingularity,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eX2HNv54,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-12T12:24:36.843+0000) > > Would say I disagree with marksman being weak overall. As a nunu main marksman are generally my lifeblood and key to victory over other champs. > Given mages/bruisers aren't being picked down bas replacements like last season, I'd say a majority of marksman are strong enough to be relevent, the single exception being varus. As a nunu main... That is the deal, if u are a marksman and ur jg decides to play around u or ur support is a beast, then u get to look like a superstar. But the marksman themselves have little to no agency over their lane phase success, and in S9 lane phase simply matters to much.
: What exactly is Jax's weakness?
Just play pantheon and crush him b4 he buys those items?
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: I feel like people are less likely to keep spending money on the game after being banned, I had dropped around 3k on the game before I got my first one and I can tell you that I've only gained money from playing this afterwards.
Well ya, but it'd prob still be SOME money from a persons favorite skin they get on all their accounts or something. I use to buy alot more skins as well before I lost my first account, but I still have bought god staff jax more times than I care to admit.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: maybe if rito didn't permaban people for calling someone bad there wouldn't be so many smurfs huh, I'll be ready for the 100 downvotes from social justice boards with no counter arguments though
Ya this is somethin I've never gotten. Why ban players in a free to play game? What sense does it make at all? I could understand for cheating, or excessive things. But league will ban you for basically anything outside of the occasional GG at end of game. And then all those banned players turn right around and start a new account... the only conceivable accomplishment is a few snowflakes misplaced feeling of justice and possibly a few extra bucks to riot for rebuying skins.
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: I rl don't get smurfing. Are people this insecure and keep playing with low elo players to feel better? Smurfs fucking suck, if they're in the enemy team they ruin your game and If they're in mine they still ruin it by going 1v5 and getting me an unsatisfying victory and some annoying trash Smurfs even troll. I had a game recently against a turbo smurf trynda who was o er 20 kills and 17 lvl while we were all 13 and in the end we came back and I loved seeing him bitching.
You won't understand smurfing until you've played in a non-casual elo. Once you're playing in an elo where you either play at 100% or risk being the reason for a lose, sometimes you'd rather just have fun and not try so hard. And norms are legit torture because the game simply comes down to which side got the trolls, and are a stomp every single time. Honestly the one thing riot could do to cut down tremendously on smurfing would be to police norms better. Low ranking smurfs are basically just norms for players in higher elos.
: Lowkey: Riot already knows which accounts are yours. It's not a secret. If you deal with Riot CS about any issue where it comes up, they have no qualms about letting you know which other account of yours is involved. They have many tools at their disposal providing this information incidentally: ip address, cookies, billing information etc... Telephone numbers from mobile and Clash... It's done already.
But thats only because of the current system. If they changed it to prevent smurfs, it would be trivial to not give them the information they'd need to figure out which account is yours.
: Smurfs are toxic. THERE IS NO REASON TO MAKE A NEW ACCOUNT ON LOL. You can play what you want in just one account is not like a mmorpg. Eloboost are toxic. THERE IS NO REASON TO PAY SOMEONE TO UP YOUR ELO. You will play against better players and will make your team lose (not in a fair way) they will get stressed and you as well. Riot should start telling all streamers " No more smurfs, No more "Unranked - Master" streams". That wouldn't solve all league problems but would make less toxic for sure.
I think the overuse of the word toxic is toxic.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kendren1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hsAcUBzw,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-10-10T18:54:24.570+0000) > > Tanks were never there to counter bruisers. Infact if there was no way for a bruiser to kill a tank then there would never be a reason to pick bruiser over tank. Reason being a tank is better at teamfights, and a bruiser is for split pushing. If the bruiser can't split against a tank without killing them, then they're pointless. > > Also conqueror is not the difference between bruisers being able to kill a tank and not, that keystones rly not that good. Except if a bruiser forced a tank to come deal with them, then the tank lost his only advantage in being better at team fights.
Thats what the TP is for. The tank holds the side lane and keeps it pushed as much as he can till TF then he TPs to it.
Cdore (NA)
: What I don't understand about conqueror...
Tanks were never there to counter bruisers. Infact if there was no way for a bruiser to kill a tank then there would never be a reason to pick bruiser over tank. Reason being a tank is better at teamfights, and a bruiser is for split pushing. If the bruiser can't split against a tank without killing them, then they're pointless. Also conqueror is not the difference between bruisers being able to kill a tank and not, that keystones rly not that good.
: You're pretty hostile towards anyone who points out that subsidiaries make independent choices. Chill down. TFT was not a choice at all btw. TFT was simply made part of the patch module, and if it failed, it would have been stricken by the NA office, like every other less popular League module. They didn't get ordered to allow it into late Beta. They made the choice when NA market numbers were temporarily beating out Summoner's Rift. Like with every other difference in markets (Censorship for example; China has a stock mesh, that sometimes is modified for NA (young models being more clothed and champions who are obviously supposed to be sexual (Evelynn) being almost naked) This is how League works: One customer asks for a specific product to be made. Riot accommodates that customer. Riot shops that product to its other customers. Customers approve/deny the new product. Market is established. ALL of that can happen outside of Tencent's oversight.
I wouldn't bother. Some people don't wanna understand, they just wanna be right, and there's no point arguing with them.
: Umm it's not majority owned by Tencent, its 100% owned by Tencent making it a Chinese company. Tencent bought 93% of the company and then a few years later bought up the other 7% so yes it is very much so a Chinese company now. And in case you're going "well why isn't it called tencent instead of riot then?" The reason for that is because when a company buys another company they want to keep the name that brought them all the users and simply exert their will on which direction they want the company to take. But make no mistake Tencent says jump and riot say how high.
Sorry bud but u might wanna look up how such things work between companies. I.E activision did not make WoW or any of its expansions. It is seperate entities.
: You're assuming that their matchmaking system works well. It doesn't, it's a piece of shit. The problem is that you think that they're a company that makes a decent product, but they aren't, they're a trash Chinese company that makes utter garbage. And once you understand that everything makes more sense.
Lol... i dont think he's assuming it works well as the post is complaining about it being trash? And riot isnt a chinese company... its owned by Tencent majority but riot itself... is not Tencent.
: If you don't want to ban a champion, because you're such an "alpha male", ban something for an ally.
: True damage and %health damage is dumb.
Thats got nothing to do with %hp or true damage, thats just yi in a high dmg meta. Believe it or not, if he were not killing u that fast when ahead he would literally be useless. But he could have built crit instead of botrk and been doing more dmg to you.
: Can we take a moment to recognize these beautiful sparkling gems of players?
Admittedly i have diff accs ill play with totally different mindsets. On try hard accs i wont say a word except mb to shot call or the occasional gj for an obviously well played play. But then on my for fun accs i like to fk around alot in chat lol. Not necessarily toxic, tho sometimes, but just to have fun.
WardMyBüsh (EUNE)
: WardMyBush LEAGUE OF LEGENDS, Support Montage (Thresh) #9
Nice montage. Sorry people are spoiled by all the bunny fufu and madlife clips out there.
: Darius maining be like...
*Ponders why anyone would MAIN Darius*
: Does smurfing ruin low elo game
Think these posts are just alot of people not wanting to learn how to play the game better and instead wanting to be protected from better players. Given how top heavy league is there are tons and tons more gold games than even plat and especially diamond+. And unless the players two divisions or beyond the elo theyre playing theyre hardly "ruining" anything. So the number of games smurfs are effecting are statistically insignificant, and most people whining about smurfs r really just complaining about a inconsistent player having a "good" game. If ya dont wanna play to improve, dont complain when people who are better show up in ur games and stomp u. And if u do want to play to get better than a smurf in ur game is a great opportunity to test urself against a higher elos skill level.
datfatguy (OCE)
: Why do people choose to not ban a champion
Exactly. Half the roster is broken... so what difference is one less broken champ going to make?
: ELO difference in ranked games.
One of my accounts got a silver duo bot lane in a plat game. Low winrates as well, not smurfs, their accounts were peak gold, but they were silvers vsing a plat duo bot on enemy team. Needless to say we lost. Our silv vayne put out about 5k damage to enemy adcs 36k. Rly felt like we got a quality game of league out of it XD
: Is Nunu and Willump truly a braindead champion?
I mean... play more champs and see how u do if ur worried about it? Nunu is crazy effective for what little skill he requires to play, but the bulk of jungling skill comes from macro play so... its not hugely important. Doesnt rly make much sense to me go compare silver nunu vs silver anything else tho... both have alot to learn and are still basically the beginner level elo.
: I hope Riot learns something from this season
Lol, we're at the end of the season and they're going to buff riven to sell a skin... and you really think they've learned anything?
Rioter Comments
: If you are autofilled ADC
Eh? Just like completely ignore the botside if adc is bad. It's a legit irrelevant role anyways. If there's an ADC difference, just flash one shot the ADC in the late game. Almost any champ in the fking game can do it now.
: Yall tell me how i was supposed to win this game?
By playing better? Who knows? What is the point of this question? lol Are you trying to insinuate that based off this ONE game you lost because you had an AFK that climbing is impossible? I don't get it.
Barso55 (NA)
: Vayne is absolute bullshit
Same for twitch. An adc with an invis on reset, an AOE slow, and a AD steroid on his ult which makes his auto attacks an AOE? Oh wait, no one plays twitch anymore. Oh wait, all I did was list a champions kit as if that somehow makes a point. Damn... I guess I probably coulda made any champion in league sound broken with this same formula huh?
puśsý (NA)
: Season 10 makes or breaks it.
This games a walking corpse. It's literally just waiting for another strong pvp game with good spectator value to come out, then everyone will jump ship. Game quality decreased massively with the balancing issues and other such changes, simply because as you drop in playerbase it becomes harder to match games appropriately. And the problem just compounds itself. So once the death starts, the game will become unplayable. The problem with the developers never growing out of being an indie company, and just having massive management issues that only ever made since when they were new.
: spear of shojin solo makes jax actually stupid to face in many teamfight scenarios
What? Spear of Shojins an overloaded item? *Exaggerated surprise face*
: Why Ranked Is Causing Problems
Alot of these problems come from low player morale. People still sticking around because they like the game, but hate the state it's in. Though realistically this is casual players problems. Once you are good enough to compete with the upper teirs skill levels, people will try in your games just because you make it so obvious you can carry.
: Yes but no. Your counterplay advice is good, but the whole actually pretty weak thing is just... no. The issue with Riven is that if she doesn't get absolutely curbstomped in lane she's going to be an absolute monstrosity. Riven isn't currently as bad as Kai'Sa currently is thanks to Riven being nerfed, but she snowballs hard enough and consistently enough that if she gets early kills she's strong and if she hits lategame she's strong. Admittedly, I play Fiora and Swain as my main toplane picks(there are quite a few others but those are the consistent ones) so it's not like my champions are super good against her, and she counters Swain, BUT the fact that if I take one cc ability I die is pretty ridiculous considering that not only does she have a stun, a knock up, a huge shield, and auto resets, but she also has very short cooldowns(longer now, but they used to be absurd).
Fiora not strong vs riven? Literally just W her as her 3rd q goes down? Like i said, u can learn a matchup, or just stunt ur ability to improve by deciding a champions broken. Some champions do get to where it is way easier for them to win the matchup than u, but its almost never impossible, and riven does that to no one atm. Play riven and u'll learn her weaknesses is the easiest way, most of this comes from a lack of knowledge of the characters and their power spikes. For example, there is no auto reset in rivens kit. She animation cancels her autos with abilities, but its not resetting the autos like jax w or rengar q. Most low elo players vsing rivens mistake in the matchup, is they panic when she all ins because they dont know how much dmg she does, or how much they do, and they assume they cant fight back and run. Rivens strength is she has 100% damage output while moving, and sometimes u were just overextended. But other times she might have been inting if u let her, as she'll use all of her CDs to get onto u and u have to know when u can win the extended fight when theyre down.
: It's Hard To Reconcile J4's Character Now
Im not rly following the story but awhile back there was alot of shit about how Leblanc had most likely infiltrated Demacia disguised as J4, and he'd been kidnapped. Maybe thats why?
: I honestly thought the first Riven main I played against was hacking
Honestly sounds like she was just better than you. Darius shouldn't be getting dove by a riven unless you were wasting your abilities putting them on cooldown and she capitalized. You can learn from it and improve or just be yet another player to get stuck on worrying whether a champ is to strong or not. Riven is actually pretty weak, she just snowballs well and punishes mistakes really well. If you don't fuck up against her and she goes even, its pretty easy to fight her. Also Q'ing after E on Darius has nothing to do with animation canceling, thats not what that refers to.
: Don't you love how they then blame it on you? "Well you tilted early so you weren't trying".... the delusional state people live in is both frightening, repulsive, and saddening.
Yeah pretty much exactly. And whats funny is he's in bronze solo/duo so that mentality probably makes sense there since people will drag out a game forever, not knowing how to end. But we were playing flex que and mostly against plats, and I was getting tired of trying to explain to him I'm not saying this is a lose because I'm tilted, I'm saying it because I've seen this movie a thousand times already and I know how it ends.
: Speaking as someone who so call "rage quits" a lot of ranked matches let me see if I can enlighten you. I've played since season 5 and I'm guessing quite a few still around today have been playing a lot longer. This "never surrender" approach to the game was far more relevant then. In season 5 and probably earlier, a score line of say, 5-22 didn't mean a sure loss. In fact, a high percentage of these games eventually became even, with quite a lot of comebacks. However, since season 8, 5-22 means game over and only a few of us have caught on to the change. This creates a situation where there are a lot of people who still refuse to surrender with the few of us who have realized that the game has changed. So, we rage quit so as not to waste time. If more people would realize sooner when a game is unwinnable, then we wouldn't need to leave games because of stubborn people.
Ye basically. Was playin with one of those never surrender types, who would get mad at me that id call games at 10-15 mins. But i was never wrong, unless the opponent just has a troll comp theres almost no way to come back from a bad early. Having any gold advantage in the current meta gives u the ability to make more gold way to easily, and with burst meta and such low skill champs being overtuned, its super hard for opponents to throw.
Rioter Comments
: Why are there so many "Riot should not focus on toxicity" threads right now??
I guess its good u didnt play online games in the early 2000s. I will never understand why peoples whose moods are dependent upon what strangers theyll never see again say online would play video games. Go knit or some shit lol.
Dahaaka (EUW)
: seems u didnt rly play the old morde. New one has only the "Mordekaiser" name on it and thats all. He is not fun for an old morde main, i am not going to explain bcz if u are "SURE" that new is better you wont understand.
Lol, u disagree so u just tell me what i have played? Interesting. Ive pretty much played every league champ except qiyana. Old mord was a grief pick at any time he wasnt broken because of how flawed his champ design was.
Dahaaka (EUW)
: Welcome to the club, i stopped playing {{champion:107}} {{champion:82}} after the reworks, both 300k+ mastery.
Pre rework mord was a meme tho... New ones way more fun. And only half as buggy.
: Solo Q doesn't matter.. once you realize that no one cares about your boarder rank and all it serves is to boost your own ego, ranked becomes pretty pointless.
Once u realize? Idk that thats an entirely factual statement.
: Grinded non-stop in solo queue for a month; here's the result.
Never got the impression that hardly anyone in NA solo q was trying and not just playing to have fun.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Mordekaiser mains, now that some time has passed, how do you feel about the rework?
He's super fun, but they made yet another unbalanceable ult. The only way he wont be abit broken is if you gut him, because as is his ult is way too effective since he can duel 90% of league champion roster even if they're ahead. Not really any counterplay to it either in a teamfight, as if one person buys QSS, he can just ult another. And no abilities counterplay should simply be... every person on team has to buy a very specific item. Buuuut, in a game where so much is like this it doesn't stick out as much. Sylas ult... qiyana ult... are all pretty fkin insane to. The Q is super satisfying to hit people with tho, and he looks cool, so I call it a succesful rework.
: How can you guys still play ranked and not go insane ?
IDK how you could play any other mode of ranked at all. Norms are pointless, and flex q quality is only high enough to be worth a warmup for mechanics. While ranked quality might be at an all time low, its still the only mode that even tries to balance out the skill levels of the players.
: Suicide threat in pre-game lobby
I guess its like dipping your feet in the water of a pool to get use to it before you dive in? You wanna play a couple league matches b4 u go straight to actual hell.
Slim Şhady (EUNE)
: MasterEUW/Chall EUNE Yasuo on buffing Yasuo
He must have another skin coming out. Mb dark star yasuo. Gotta make that $$$$$
: People: Real talk. How do you guys even manage to get banned?
Its an automated system. If ur form of toxicity is unusual it wont detect u no matter how often ur reported. All uve gotta do is avoid basic cus words or typing in all caps and ur usually good to go. Also if u type ALOT itll pick u up. Shit i lost an account for arguing with a shit ekko d4 because i just typed to much, legit didnt even say anything that wasnt blatantly obvious.
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