Moody P (NA)
: How is Kennen not a t1 VGU candidate
definitely not biased, but kennen is not nearly as outdated as you're attempting to present him as. hes annoying to fight against, but like... so are like 50% of the cast. being annoying doesn't mean hes outdated. sure, his waveclear is awful and he's heavily ult reliant, but hes not as nearly in as sorry of a state as some other champions on the VGU list. he still gets a decent amount of pro representation pretty much every season as well.
: [SKIN CONCEPTS] 5 New Star Guardians - Jhin, Irelia, Tristana, Zoe, Taliyah!
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=II Shiro II,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Y9UyER3H,comment-id=007a0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-02T05:57:56.564+0000) > > You actually confirmed that I'm being trolled. There is no way someone who is Silver 5 and only plays ARAM would tell me 'girls only play casual games' is a tired stereotype. I'm sorry you guys got me. I admit this was a good prank. since your rank is apparently the only thing that determines whether your opinion is valid or not, I was D2 this season and i think you're wrong, does that count
: Hopped on the bandwagon
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: Janna Hotfix Context
it is actually embarrassing how anyone on the balancing team saw that buffing janna past level 9 was a good idea and how anyone thinks that this hotfix is going to do anything at all. she's still going to be permabanned. does anyone on the balancing team play this game?
: ***
That's the jest of it. Leaving him with no viable playstyles is just not fair.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 8
@Meddler Before you nerf AD Kennen and both of his playstyles become unviable, could you consider some quality of life changes for AP Kennen? The initial ult changes were really harsh on him and a bit unnecessary. The whole reasoning behind "rewarding a good Kennen ult" seemed like more of a cop out for low elo players who don't know how to play against Kennen ultimates, because the likelihood of someone sitting in your ultimate for a full three seconds is essentially none in almost every game past gold elo. Kennen needs high damage in the initial ticks of his ultimate because he's designed to be played as a burst mage. If you really want to argue that the old ult still did too much damage, then that's fine, but in its current state Kennen's ultimate does NOT do enough initial damage and he's suffering because of it. I can go more in depth into this if needed because I have a lot to say on this, but I think the fact that everyone collectively dropped AP Kennen and his winrate dropped nearly 3 ~ 4 % in one patch says enough.
: Here we are again! The case of_ “Unusual Pick that Throws A Game on Its head”_ vs _“The Teammates going WTF Is Going On”_. [If you’re just tuning in we previously covered this topic with a similar case in December: “Support Singed isn't bannable, but that's not the point”. ]( We feel that the situation between these two edge cases are very similar. But it’s obvious we need to keep updating a few processes to smooth out any rare repeats in the future. And rare is what we’d call this; it’s a very unique edge case that seems to only present itself once every few months among thousands of audits that we process. Let’s re-iterate our stance from before: **Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?** A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form. **Q: So why does this issue keep coming up? What makes it different?** A: Riot Gromp said it best in the previous post when they stated: “...common sense and good sportsmanship say that experimenting players need to clearly communicate intent and win conditions to their teammates.” League of Legends is a team game and sometimes the biggest challenge can be coordinating with 4 other strangers who share a common goal; victory. If a player is going to rewrite the rules for the rest of their team then there is more pressure to properly communicate to everyone what they want the plan to be, and what they think everyone should do to achieve it. But wait! Communication doesn’t stop after you press the Enter button on your keyboard; and that’s where we saw a problem in this particular case. All of us need to be aware of the difference of communicating “with” someone vs. communicating “at” someone. _Telling your team what you’re going to do and then ignoring them isn’t really working with them it’s holding them hostage_. Telling your team what you want to do and actually working towards a common plan is a central part to playing any team based game. In this case what we observed was an expert Nunu counter-jungler throwing the meta on it’s head with a respectable win rate of 53%. While pretty impressive on it’s own, we also found that nearly 50% of their games were reported by teammates as frustrating and unfun. Keep in mind, this isn’t just teammates in losing games, this is teammates across all of his games; victories included. The message was pretty clear to us, this player is serious about_ Making Nunu Great Again_ but they are leaving a trail of dissatisfaction, frustration, and anger in their wake. Winning is not the end all be all of League. We want players to have fun but not at the expense of teammates. Ideally this means players will coordinate among themselves in a given match and react to the unique circumstances they end up in. If a player is consistently forcing “their vision” on the rest of the team **and **refusing to adapt to their needs we reserve the right to intervene. That’s what happened here (and before with the Singed case); players cried out how terrible the experience was for them and we intervened. Moving forward we’re going to keep updating our processes for these edge cases. We will still be on the lookout for situations where a player is creating a really negative experience for everyone else and we will intervene when necessary. In this case it’s undeniable that TakeTheDraw wants to win even if their approach leaves a lot to be desired. The effects on others in his games were enough for us to lock the account and we stand by that. But our agents were not properly prepared with a process to handle this edge case when they wrote in and that is on me. I will be working with the team to clarify an escalation process that emphasizes clearer feedback and opens the door for ban reductions if we believe that someone can make changes to their play style allowing them to continue crushing the meta but not at the expense of their teammates.
hey just wanted to let you know that the reasoning behind this is actually awful and whoever is responsible for it should probably not be responsible for it anymore. if you're going to penalize players based off of subjective opinions of teammates that borderline, if not completely contradict the objective guidelines in the summoner's code, your idea of penalizing players is actually not worth anything at all because its not based off of anything concrete. like the fact that you would even consider someones subjective opinion on someone who is playing something different but isn't intentionally losing the game, being toxic, or feeding is actually baffling to me. i see players everyday that get mad at video games, yell/threaten their teammates, type instead of play, and purposely throw games and do all of this petty childish nonsense, but thank GOD we have riot employees on the case banning people who do things that abide by the summoners code that some people don't like sometimes (??????????) please include "do not go against subjective 'fun time' of your teammates" to the summoners code or something, this is laughable but honestly entirely expected.
: > I'm not getting paid to make things aesthetically pleasing to you. He's right. I've already stopped reading after the 1st paragraph due to the lack of paragraphing in it, as it's already hard to read as it is. If you want to take your thread about your Kennen nerf points seriously, make it so all the readers can get to understand your thread better by making it more spacious instead of that one fat block of text.
Making it more spacious doesn't affect the text whatsoever, you would be reading the same thing either way. If people want to mass down vote this because they are too lazy to read, then so be it.
Sciela (NA)
: If you had actually formatted the post and made it readable, I would have read it. Not going to read through a wall of text with occasional spaces though. Now then, as a diamond player, you must know that not every diamond player is actually good. You get bad ones and good ones. Now, I've never seen you play, but if you're saying a champion is worthless now because he can't 100-0 people with one button... then you might be one of those diamond players that maaaybe shouldn't be diamond. And, if you're diamond, you should also know that, just because someone is lower ELO than you, it doesn't mean they're necessarily bad or worse than you. I've got over 7,000 games under my belt, against everyone from bronze to challenger. So, I know how every champ works, what matchups they do well in, all that. So, if I (some gold pleb) can still play Kennen just fine, then you should be able to as well, since you obviously have much better mechanics and decision making. Never said I don't know how to play against Kennen. Just said he still works just fine, and overall got a buff.
I'm not getting paid to make things aesthetically pleasing to you. I never said every Diamond player is good, and I never said Kennen should be able to 100 - 0 people with one button. He wasn't able to do that before. You need to kill people with a full rotation of spells, as is how every burst mage works. Don't put words in my mouth. I don't automatically assume people lower elo than me are worse than I am, but when you come in and give me literally 0 context to work off of other than "he's op!!! flash ult to win the game!!!" I can in no way assume you know what you're talking about. Also isn't helped by the fact you didn't read anything I said. In fact, If you read what I said, I said he was still playable. Again, It isn't "overall a buff", in 95% of situations it is a nerf. I don't see how you wouldn't be able to see that considering you apparently know so much about how Kennen works.
Calabok (NA)
: NOPE the nerfs were justified if not lacking.
Am I supposed to take your word for it? Because you didn't explain why.
: im sorry, but if the post is -7 downvotes and its not about a buff to yasuo, you likely aren't right also, you main kennen, assuming from your name I mean, is it obvious who I main, and I still have trouble against Kennen?
The amount of downvotes from salty players who don't know how to play against my champion who haven't posted a single legitimate critique of what I said hold no merit against the validity of my post. People can disagree with me for illegitimate reasons, and apparently they're all illegitimate since none of them have posted anything worth while about why I'm wrong. The fact that I main the champion I post about also doesn't mean I can't justify why the nerfs weren't necessary. No one has challenged a word of what I said, it's all been empty complaints about how 'OP' he is with a justification of how easy it is to flash ult and win the game instantly, which clearly was a serious issue for a champion with an alarming 51% win rate on a good week. Obviously gamebreaking. It's obvious who you main but I wasn't going to use it against you. However, I guess I have to, since it seems you're upset about the concept of one of your counters being stronger but have nothing to justify why these nerfs were necessary. Say what you will about my bias, at least I can back up what I'm talking about.
Sciela (NA)
: But... his ult does more damage overall now? I mean, it's just too bad that you can't just one shot people with it now and actually have to be smart about how to use it (and there's this fancy item that slows people on spell hits, you know), and can't just flash + R + Zhonya's and win. Kennen was and still is OP, so if you're having issues with him, maybe try (for lack of anything better to say) getting better?
I don't know if I'm supposed to take this seriously or not. Doesn't it seem silly that you as a gold player are going on a diamond player's post about a champion I one trick, not reading a word of what I said, whining that he's overpowered because you personally have no idea how to play against him, post a completely inaccurate and gross oversimplification of how he's played, and then claim I'm not playing him right? I mean I'm really not trying to pull the superiority card here but... Jesus dude, give me something to work with here. A bit of self reflection goes a long way.
: nobody reads anything that big unless its a reading assignment
i mean if you aren't gonna listen to anything and you're going to quickly brush off a champion you don't like because you don't know how to play against him i don't think you should be giving your two cents on balance changes
: Dude you wrote a complete essay on this. Props to that and ur passion for the champion. However, I think the change was for the better as {{champion:85}} of a champion. The burst damage he was capable of with ult was insane, the damage however was not modified, it was just when the full damage is set. giving an opponent the ability to at least try and get away from the already devastating ability. We have seen in even proplay that he can penta instantly with the damage and he isn't even an assassin. I think changing the damage to near the end was a great way to balance him as a champion. No longer can you just land a skill shot, run to them and ult and get an instant kill. no one could escape it, now its just delayed damage. id rather have that personally.
I understand playing against a Kennen ult seems frustrating, but it really isn't as powerful as a lot of people are giving it credit for. If the damage is really as bad as people say and as inescapable as people say, I feel like he would be seeing much more success in solo Q, but frankly people just dont pick or ban him, and his win rate doesn't suggest he's op. In general, people just don't know how to deal with him because they never play against him. Mercurial scimitar and zhonya's are the bane of every Kennen main, and they can be used to completely negate his ult. I see it all the time. Also, when you're talking about pro play, he's been indirectly nerfed twice since then with the protobelt + rylai's nerfs, which saw his win rate drop ~2%. When I think of an OP champion, I think of champions that can essentially solo carry every solo Q game, and the only Kennen one trick that comes to mind who is capable of that is Bobjenkins.
: Dude im pretty sure it was just an ult nerf, and it doesnt fucking matter. he was WAY off balance before, playing against him was agony. ive literally seen kennens just tp in, ULT and literally 3 of them died by nothing else, he wasnt even 10 kills i dont think not to mention that you have to flash out of his ult to escape a fifth of his damage, and thats if he doesnt just insta stun you with everything else of his kit
It does matter, it dropped his win rate 4% over one patch and he was already fine beforehand. He wasn't way off balance before, he was consistently hovering around a 50% win rate, and his win/ban rate suggests that he isn't as broken as you say. There are more ways than flash to avoid his ultimate, and if your whole team is caught in a Kennen ulti it's because they did something wrong, overextending/not warding is generally the culprit. You say he's broken but you have nothing to back it up with. I don't think you read anything I wrote, though.
: it wasn't even a nerf, really it does more total damage after the last hit, and it's not like it's humanly possible to escape his ult after he instantly stuns you
You should probably read what I said before you comment on it.
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Jalupus (NA)
: [GAMEPLAY] Twitch unable to damage Nexus during Rat-Ta-Tat-Tat!
That.... That was a bug? That's been in the game so long I figured it was a mechanic. Are you kidding me? Please tell me this is a joke.
: Unknown DirectX error has occurred..HELP
I have the same thing. I blame Windows 8.
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