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arowin242 (EUW)
: Ivern mains would love this: the only enchantment Ivern can realistically take is runic echoes, which loses its main functionality as burst damage / mana sustain in the jungle as Ivern cant attack the camps at all... uncountably it will be abused on jax, lee sin, ect. extra vision is always impactful no matter the meta.
They would benefit from it, sure, but they would have to decide, "do I want to give up that warrior damage in exchange for extra vision for my team and jukes aside from having pinks in inventory" Really, I don't see why riot is against supports being a secondary jungle. It takes an item slot further limiting inventory space, and a summoner spell slot; you have to take risks like, should I leave lane, grab this objective/counter jungle and either you or your adc being ganked as a result.
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: It's basically saying "you do what I say or suffer the threat of punishment". It's pretty much the definition of harassment; > aggressive pressure or intimidation. The above being pulled from a quick Google search.
Agree to disagree. That may be the google definition but not what's going on here. Agressive pressure and intimidation? I mentioned reporting once in game, and requested after the game others do the same. I don't think you understand the concept of harassment. It is a constant barrage of obvious, unwanted and unsolicited behavior. A great example would be the paper boy in the movie, Better Off Dead. That's harassment. As far as intimidation, I'm not holding a gun to his head. It's a report. One that more likely than not, gets thrown out by you clowns, so I don't see the argument of it being intimidating holding water, especially when you yourself call it a "coin-toss".
: > Reform card not sure what this is or what you are referring to? where I can see it? The reform card is the message you're greeted with when logging into the Client during an active punishment; it's where you got your chat logs from associated with the punishment. > And threats of report as harassment? Are you kidding me right now?...... Threatening to report other players, whether you like it or not, is harassment. The only reason you would threaten to report someone is to coerce them to do something you want them to do, or to stop doing something you don't; there's no legitimately good reason to threaten reports, since, if someone's doing something reportable, _you can just report them and be done with it._ > The real harassment is being punished for something I didn't do, that isn't a crime in the first place. You can refuse to believe the reasoning to be sound all you want, but you did break the rules, and if you continue to break the rules in the same way, you're going to get harsher punishments down the line. So, were I you, I'd stop arguing that you did nothing wrong and actually take a moment to read and understand what people are pointing out is the problem in your chat logs so you know what not to do in further matches. 'Cause, I'm going to warn you now - the next two punishment tiers are a 14-day suspension and then a permanent ban. You can either learn now, or suffer later. > The tragedy is we live in a society and accept that it's okay for someone to walk up and wordlessly punch you in the face, but when you in turn say "wtf, why did you punch me in the face", that person cries they are offended by your words. Nobody is punching you in the face. You're using incomparables here. Here's a better analogy; Someone starts yelling at you in a store for [insert absurd reason here]. You start yelling back. Both of you get kicked out/punished because you're both breaking the rules and being belligerent agitators. If you don't want to get kicked out, _don't yell back_.
A) the greeting message was an excerpt from that game. Only that game. If I were being punished for a running total of games, they should be listed. Due process or some such, right? B) "Threatening to report other players, whether you like it or not, is harassment." By your logic, wouldn't "Cause, I'm going to warn you now - the next two punishment tiers are a 14-day suspension and then a permanent ban. You can either learn now, or suffer later." that be a threat and harassment. Stop harassing me please. C) "The only reason you would threaten to report someone is to coerce them to do something you want them to do, or to stop doing something you don't" No shit sherlock? That's the whole point. I am trying to persuade someone to alter their actions. Am I crazy? What fucking police state is this? I'm not trying to get someone to smoke crack or get in a rape van. I'm trying to get them use some common sense. Clearly I need more work in my delivery, I admit, but wtf did it become a crime? D) "Nobody is punching you in the face. You're using incomparables here." It's a metaphor and it is comparable, whether you want to agree to disagree or not. The problem here is you can police speech all you want because it's nice and concise, but nothing is done to police behavior, i.e. players playing horrendously, most times intentionally and out of spite. Once upon a time, used to be able to report folks for being "unskilled". I'm going to wager that riot found that colossal undertaking in and of itself and removed it because it would be all they did all day. Let me break it down for you. Player A can play as bad as he wants to, he can sell all of his items and buy tears, run in circles spamming his emote, dropping wards at the fountain, etc. He can feed his face off, ragesplit, bait his team into committing to plays and dipping out... literally any number of troll moves and not get punished as long as he doesn't say a word. This is toxic BEHAVIOR, i.e. the punch to the face. Now, if I speak out against it, or try to encourage different behavior, or coerce as you want to put it, I'm the villain? I agree maybe not the best use of my time, but then we're playing a video game and debating on chat forums, so what's new? But, this is some millennial shit man. Which brings me to... E) "if someone's doing something reportable, you can just report them and be done with it." There's the million dollar problem, you hit it right on the head. Behavior that I've outlined should be reportable and punishable, more so than words typically because it's what causes the words to begin with (see face-punch thought exercise). Just because it's not that way right now, doesn't make it right. You don't like what some is saying, you can mute them, which makes all of this painfully difficult for me wrap my head around, yet I have no recourse for aberrant play/behavior.
Kei143 (NA)
: The system doesn't punish based on severity alone. It punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning you can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many many games of mild toxicity. The reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. In this game, you accused others of inting and threatened reports as a form of harassment. This chat's severe is on the mild side, so it means that you just have had plenty of games with similar behavior.
Reform card not sure what this is or what you are referring to? where I can see it? And threats of report as harassment? Are you kidding me right now? That's like me saying that I'm being harassed right now in this forum. That's like a parent saying, hey kid, if you do that one more time, you're grounded, and the kid going to DFS and reporting child abuse. The harassment is the chat ban. The real harassment is being punished for something I didn't do, that isn't a crime in the first place. The tragedy is we live in a society and accept that it's okay for someone to walk up and wordlessly punch you in the face, but when you in turn say "wtf, why did you punch me in the face", that person cries they are offended by your words. This is insanity.
: The chat police pulled me over [edit]
Be that as it may, is this not more obscene than anything I said in game? Do you honestly feel this is chat ban worthy? 25 game chat ban worthy? I sincerely was trying to play, play nice, communicate. I wasn't trolling, I wasn't inting. I was trying. I wasn't trying to be toxic, there was no intent to be toxic. I was trying to be patient in spite of circumstances. I'll take my lumps when I'm good for it, but this is bs.
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DNFVixen (NA)
: MAKE IT SO SUPPORTS CAN FUCKING CARRY AGAIN!!
I feel like I know what he means. I don't necessarily need to carry. In fact, if I am carrying, something is terribly wrong, because it means not only is my entire team incompetent or incapable of closing kills, the enemy is losing and behind or neck and neck with support, resource-wise, which means it was probably a win anyway, regardless of who carried. The problem is feeling rewarded or like you are making an impact on the game. If I have a good team of players, it's all good. Plays are made, I feel like I'm contributing. But most times, you can do absolutely everything right as a support and still lose, hard, and regularly due to nothing you can control. If you are a solo lane carry, and your team is losing, you have a fair chance of turning it around. If you are doing well as a support, and your team is losing, it's more than likely still gg, because you don't have the damage rotation, and your severely under on resources even under good circumstances. Let's say it's midgame, you started building sup items, but you are the mvp on the team. It's too late to start building damage, and vice versa; you are stomping in lane, you build damage to keep it going, then you get piled upon on bot, your tower is gone, lane phase is over, and your revenue comes to a grinding halt. There is just no solution despite the efforts of trying to improve quality of life or attempts to make carry supports. Pyke was a welcomed attempt, but he's better solo imho more often than not, and there are just other champs that do it better. I will say, when he does carry, he carries. Supports took a hard hit in s8 in so many ways you would think they were running the board. I think the best way to improve sup life is aoe damage/dot. By the nature, the damage is padded so it doesn't burst and other lanes don't just abuse supports as solo lane mains. It benefits the team in fights and helps with clear/pve. Another way is designing champs that get bonus stats from sup stats, like old singed passive, so that sup items are even more gold efficient, but only for that champ. Another thought is, and pushing the envelope even further are champs that revolve around one big LEGENDARY item, with many tiers. Sups are essentially playing with 4 item slots instead of 6 like everyone else. This in itself is a glass ceiling. It would be enjoyable to have access to an end game item that may have a hefty price tag, but conserves space (similar to ornn items; maybe for all sups or just a specific champ). I could think of plenty more ideas, but this would be a good start.
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: Riot, please fix match making.
All I've seen is that they are adding two tiers, one at the top and one at the bottom and that they are cutting out the 5th rank. It sounds like they are just "laundering" the tiers basically. In any event this does nothing to address my primary complaint, which is, a better system to determine rank than win/loss that is individualized by contribution. I'm a little confused why it doesn't already work that way when riot has already implemented such a system for loot rewards and there are various outside sites/apps that can gauge your individual performance. This would also cut down on trolls because they would only be hurting their rank instead of dragging their teammates down with them. Imagine how much more fun and relaxing the game would be if you knew that as long as you played your best, and/or played optimally, you would be rewarded, and those that didn't, got carried, or trolled, would not, or would only hurt themselves. Imagine a game, where yeah, you lost, but you made some great plays, and had a fun game. Obviously you wouldn't gain as much LP as if it were a win; maybe rather, your performance earned you enough LP to where you broke even. More personal accountability, especially in such an unforgiving snowball design of a game is improvement.
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: I'm just trying to make a living and here you are, blowing up my car man.
Previous iterations weren't useless. I admit the baron buff stacking is nice, but not necessary. It's previous incarnation was just fine. I fail to follow the logic of "no one buys it, so let's break it and then remove it". Why not just revert it? When they overtune a champ they don't just remove the champ, they just scale it back. But whatevs.
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: Spooky- Fiddlesticks will now turn into a scarecrow after standing still for 5 secs
This is riot trolling it's player base; it also doubles as a troll buff for the seasoned troll. In games where your team is throwing/derping, you can afk and protest that you're not afk and can't be reported because you are trying to figure out what your passive's secret op mechanic is; or griefing, claiming, "I think I'm bugged, isn't it supposed to be camouflaged like Teemo?"
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