: > [{quoted}](name=Keyru,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=jnPjTNY3,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-03-05T03:12:11.710+0000) > > 9:30PM PST tomorrow 3/5/2017 ARURF > > Mods vs GD > > https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder218/47458218.jpg but today is 3/4
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=jnPjTNY3,comment-id=000a0001,timestamp=2017-03-05T03:36:45.136+0000) > > but today is 3/4 Indeed. RIP me
: @Keyru I'm calling you out
9:30PM PST tomorrow 3/5/2017 ARURF Mods vs GD https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder218/47458218.jpg EDIT: 3/5/2017!!!
: So would this be used for just basic "Incorrect board" reports or would it be for more "Somebody's spamming the same topic 50 bazzillion times" type of reports? Or would it be somewhere in the middle?
> [{quoted}](name=Best Kog NA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xkRfEHZs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-13T23:38:33.571+0000) > > So would this be used for just basic "Incorrect board" reports or would it be for more "Somebody's spamming the same topic 50 bazzillion times" type of reports? Or would it be somewhere in the middle? It can be used for any type of Boards reporting! :)
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Jikker (NA)
: Okay I finally took time to try to figure out my discord account, but I have no clue how any of this works. My username is Jikker, but no clue on that number people are posting. Help?
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2pxIgmBE,comment-id=0065,timestamp=2016-12-10T15:12:30.380+0000) > > Okay I finally took time to try to figure out my discord account, but I have no clue how any of this works. My username is Jikker, but no clue on that number people are posting. Help? Should be on the bottom left hand corner of Discord and look something like this: **_Jikker_** **_#XXXX_** Once you've found that, you can head to #verification and @moderators to get a role set.
: > [{quoted}](name=TurquoiseYoshi,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=qAWuAKuE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-12-05T22:17:46.443+0000) > > I refuse to believe that Curator is just one guy. It absolutely cannot be possible. lol.. he even lied saying "**WE** reviewed this case" when he replies back to some threads explaining why their threads are taken down
> [{quoted}](name=Popstar Ahri,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=qAWuAKuE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-05T22:56:44.845+0000) > > lol.. he even lied saying "**WE** reviewed this case" when he replies back to some threads explaining why their threads are taken down It is a we effort though. We have a chat specifically to escalate/discuss about posts that are made within the Boards space. I am also part of that "we" circle. He never lied.
: The anime threads objectify women more than anything else posted on the boards besides porn and young jerk. I didn't see your post but i bet it objectifies women way less than pictures of anime girls in sexualized poses. Again, Id like to point out > “Sexy” content can be posted as long as the discussion intent is for appreciating the art and not objectification/sexualizing or referring to the subject in a derogatory or offensive manners. The anime threads have literally 0 focus on the pictures/art/artist. Either change the rule or start enforcing it. This is my biggest peeve with the mods. If they are okay with the anime threads, then i don't understand why they won't put in the 10 seconds of effort it takes to change the rules in the rules thread.
> [{quoted}](name=GlobDaBlob,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=qAWuAKuE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-12-05T22:39:21.770+0000) > > The anime threads objectify women more than anything else posted on the boards besides porn and young jerk. I didn't see your post but i bet it objectifies women way less than pictures of anime girls in sexualized poses. > > Again, Id like to point out > > The anime threads have literally 0 focus on the pictures/art/artist. Either change the rule or start enforcing it. This is my biggest peeve with the mods. If they are okay with the anime threads, then i don't understand why they won't put in the 10 seconds of effort it takes to change the rules in the rules thread. Loafs posts focus more on appreciation rather than objectifying women. I feel that there was one word in the rules that made this inherently confusing for everyone. We've removed sexualization and adjusted to purely "objectification or referring to the subject in a derogatory or offensive manners". Hopefully this brings some more clarity.
Jikker (NA)
: Young Jerk did get perma'd? Dang And yes I already knew a lot of that with the anime waifu threads. The only place where I still have an issue is that they are allowed, but some comparable pictures are taken down. Interestingly enough, I didn't know about the automated system. So there's something like a program that patrols the boards looking for trouble? I mean, it would _sorta_ explain the random removals I've gotten, but still that system sounds bloody awful and definitely needs an upgrade if it's missing 80% of stuff.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=qAWuAKuE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-05T22:15:53.545+0000) > > Young Jerk did get perma'd? Dang > > And yes I already knew a lot of that with the anime waifu threads. The only place where I still have an issue is that they are allowed, but some comparable pictures are taken down. > > Interestingly enough, I didn't know about the automated system. So there's something like a program that patrols the boards looking for trouble? I mean, it would _sorta_ explain the random removals I've gotten, but still that system sounds bloody awful and definitely needs an upgrade if it's missing 80% of stuff. There is no automated system. There's a system that allows moderators to see "all" posts that come in on the Boards. Human eyes look at them but the system itself doesn't generate properly which will cause some posts to be missed and not spot checked inherently bypassing the first clear. The second check is reporting which if it never gets reported, will never get actioned on unless browsing specifically for it.
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: IT TOOK ME SEVEN LONG SEASONS TO DO IT
As bronzies, we must all stand together.
: How do I ask a Mod out?
Inaccurate selfie. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct9M58sUEAAAf2L.jpg
: Dear Mods, I know H&S is whipping you into moving threads into their boards because they know nobody
I went ahead and undeleted it and made sure to let the moderators know to only delete discussions particularly asking for assistance regarding tech issues.
Enosetc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Keyru,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=7MK9r5V1,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2016-10-27T03:26:46.140+0000) > > Banned. me? banned? yeah wright
> [{quoted}](name=Enosetc,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=7MK9r5V1,comment-id=0007000000010001,timestamp=2016-10-27T03:29:45.810+0000) > > me? > > banned? > > yeah wright the technology isn't there yet...
: > [{quoted}](name=Keyru,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=7MK9r5V1,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-10-27T03:19:31.800+0000) > > Gratzi! You NEVER Gratz for these! You should more often, I'm sure many feel left out here seeing this kind of special attention.
> [{quoted}](name=jaymc1130,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=7MK9r5V1,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-10-27T03:21:26.417+0000) > > You NEVER Gratz for these! You should more often, I'm sure many feel left out here seeing this kind of special attention. I'm only congratulating my fellow boosted brethren. > [{quoted}](name=Enosetc,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=7MK9r5V1,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2016-10-27T03:23:57.571+0000) > > Exactly. > Double. > Standard. > Unacceptable. > Period. Banned.
Jikker (NA)
: I am a boosted animal
: > [{quoted}](name=Enosense,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Ibw7PE5F,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T23:30:03.339+0000) > > at least give your feedback to the right person lmao > > this is like complaining to the skins team about server issues Figured Keyru would probably pop up outta nowhere about now and answer it tbh. ... and now fixed what I wrote there more cuz I realized how dumb I sounded there telling it ta Curator.
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Ibw7PE5F,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-14T23:31:14.687+0000) > > Figured Keyru would probably pop up outta nowhere about now and answer it tbh. What you're asking for is not in my realm either unfortunately.
: Revelation Online actually looks fantastic
From my take on it, it took all the good stuff from previous Korean/Chinese MMORPGs and put it into one. I'm definitely interested and will be trying out the CBT. As always, the question is....what to play?
: I would like and expect a visible rubric for the severity of bans so we can finally achieve some internal consistency between moderators. These rules don't mean anything if the moderators don't have a standard and we can be banned by a mod having a bad day or with an anti-[topic] agenda. Furthermore we can't hold moderators to this hypothetical standard unless we are aware of it. I'm not asking for a specific ban length for each possible case, but a general rubric would be very helpful (I.e. posting hate speech or pornographic content is obviously a lesser offense than spamming or making a sex joke, how is this represented in your current rules?) I advocate for the as few rules as possible so its annoying to ask for more detail here, but If we *must* be saddled with more rules then give us clarity on this.
> [{quoted}](name=Clock Codes,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=h6nd09yb,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-10-13T04:44:31.290+0000) > > I would like and expect a visible rubric for the severity of bans so we can finally achieve some internal consistency between moderators. > > These rules don't mean anything if the moderators don't have a standard and we can be banned by a mod having a bad day or with an anti-[topic] agenda. Furthermore we can't hold moderators to this hypothetical standard unless we are aware of it. > > I'm not asking for a specific ban length for each possible case, but a general rubric would be very helpful (I.e. posting hate speech or pornographic content is obviously a lesser offense than spamming or making a sex joke, how is this represented in your current rules?) > > I advocate for the as few rules as possible so its annoying to ask for more detail here, but If we *must* be saddled with more rules then give us clarity on this. Severity of bans will be adjusted once the clarified rules are set in place. Once these actually do go out, GDers (only in GD, violations in other sub-boards will still apply to the other sub-boards) will be on a fresh slate as some violations prior would not be actioned on now. Before moving towards a visible rubric, I would like to see if the changes below (which are in process now) would alter said problem: * Clarification of rules * Visible moderation * Clear player messaging of violation * Better reporting avenue (temporary system, only a band-aid) These will be clarified more once the rules are active.
: > [{quoted}](name=IonCannonKarthus,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=h6nd09yb,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-13T03:01:05.493+0000) > > I'm confused, you said you wanted the ability to vote on threads back, they say they all supported it coming back and the odds are high its coming back, then you spout all of this. > > It's time to stop posting. But it isn't coming back. We've had the promise of "increased functionality" for boards voting for nearly 7 months now without voting. I think that's long enough when it was also said that we could re-visit the idea later and see if we wanted them back as is. A thread two months ago, made in response directly to Keyru with her permission, indicated we wanted it back with over 100 votes. I think it's time to bring it back as is.
> [{quoted}](name=Incarcerator,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=h6nd09yb,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-13T03:04:26.736+0000) > > But it isn't coming back. > > We've had the promise of "increased functionality" for boards voting for nearly 7 months now without voting. I think that's long enough when it was also said that we could re-visit the idea later and see if we wanted them back as is. > > A thread two months ago, made in response directly to Keyru with her permission, indicated we wanted it back with over 100 votes. I think it's time to bring it back as is. Though a vote did happen the difference between the votes wasn't significant enough for the change to be made. It's a bit hard to determine the accuracy considering you cannot see who voted nor can you control smurfs voting to fluctuate either side. I am curious though. What are the pros/cons to having the votes re-enabled? What are the pros/cons to not having upvoting/downvoting? I think this is the better question to ask and get the discussion rolling in terms of seeing where this goes moving forward.
Zastie (NA)
: Could you highlight what's new about this set of rules..? Seems like the current rules, or at least the current mindset of moderators. The necro bit seems new though, and maybe tightening on trolling.
> [{quoted}](name=Zastie,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=h6nd09yb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-12T23:35:01.413+0000) > > Could you highlight what's new about this set of rules..? Seems like the current rules, or at least the current mindset of moderators. The necro bit seems new though, and maybe tightening on trolling. This is clarification on rules that are already in place while being lenient on certain behavior/topics which is detailed in the above which would not be allowed on any other sub-board except GD.
CLG ear (NA)
: Worlds Group Stage Day 8 MEGATHREAD
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: Ok mods, this has gotten RIDICULOUS. You CANNOT keep failing THIS badly and keep your jobs.
Hey all, So as Jikker/Tundra Fizz have mentioned (who we are working together with on the new rules), it's really REALLY hard to know when a player is joking or not to another in GD. The insult itself was offensive on the base level. It's not easy to read or understand the context behind it. Relying we as Riot or ModSquad to use FEK to understand these contexts is an unreasonable request as GD isn't the only space that we monitor. This is something that I believe will be fixed with the shifts we're making to be able to have moderators be able to get the context on these small playful jabs. This is a fault of the communication gap and some reporting tech that is lacking. On this note, I will reduce the suspension if Haunt agrees that the comment was not offensive to him and was indeed a joke. On phone so probably sloppy.
: [9/26/2016] GD Rules Collaboration - Nomination Discussion
Thanks everyone for taking the time to nominate. This gave us good insight and we've gone ahead and reached out to the individuals that will be helping us out in the collaboration. * Jikker * SilentNightSona * Tundra Fizz * Evangele The conversations are happening and we've gotten great feedback and points of views on the topic list thus far: * Universal Rules * Sidebar Guidelines - Culture/Etiquette * Political/Social/Religion Discussions * Mature Content/Sexy * Necroing/Bumping/Spam * Anime * Harassment/Insults * Upvote/Downvote Once we have agreed to the first draft of the General Discussion Rules, it will be posted and stickied for review. For now, this discussion will be closed out and thank you once again.
: Yes, totally this will work, because you did anything other than saying "don't do this" last time that I'll believe you even more this time also, hell no on changing to the dang universal rules, I'd rather quit boards than be forced into care bears mode how about actually doing things we've asked since the changes almost 6 months ago now like actually changing the coding on the u/d system so we can have that bloomin' back? or how about updating that sidebar like you told me you would but never did giving us some more clarity™ Riot freakin' preaches so much?
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Bktft9sm,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-24T03:02:01.647+0000) > > how about actually doing things we've asked since the changes almost 6 months ago now like actually changing the coding on the u/d system so we can have that bloomin' back? You can continually keep egging on this but we do not control this nor can we on the moderation team. Any extended features everyone wants, we want too, 100%, but that is not within our power to do. > or how about updating that sidebar like you told me you would but never did giving us some more clarity™ Riot freakin' preaches so much? Can you elaborate more on this?
: been one or two months since the forum rule change.... mods need to wake up again....
Send a support ticket directed to me and I will look at each case and work with our moderators. If there are actions that should be taken and aren't, that is something I'm invested in making better.
: @Keyru I just heard an Adele song so it must mean it's time to UNBAN Chogathsson
: Don't worry, Keyru
https://media.giphy.com/media/A0FGCbbooHe1y/giphy.gif
: > [{quoted}](name=Keyru,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-08-20T03:19:44.891+0000) > > The only other option is to set it back to how it was before removing it from discussions. > > I'll add that part into guidelines. > > This will apply to Waifu picture threads which purpose is overt sexualization with little discussion. Righty-o, well between having it or not while we wait for that tech to make it only appear in discussions (which I do hope is soon, do you possibly have an estimation of any sort for that btw or is it just soon™?), may we please have that back? Putting up with random downvote spammers might be annoying, but we can wait it out. and perfect, more clarity never hurts n' was all I was askin' for about that ######Tho' I would've liked the chance to edit the thread after being told what I did wrong cuz I would have done so
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2016-08-20T03:41:26.956+0000) > > Righty-o, well between having it or not while we wait for that tech to make it only appear in discussions (which I do hope is soon, do you possibly have an estimation of any sort for that btw or is it just soon™?), I can't give a good timeline for this. Probably not even Soon™. :( > [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2016-08-20T03:41:26.956+0000) > > may we please have that back? Putting up with random downvote spammers might be annoying, but we can wait it out. > [{quoted}](name=Pony Montana,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000d00000001,timestamp=2016-08-20T03:53:51.340+0000) > > can we have that then You can bring up the discussion again. From the last time I checked, it was majority for it before and after.
: > [{quoted}](name=Keyru,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000b0001,timestamp=2016-08-20T00:00:34.961+0000) > > I'm working very closely with this to make sure moderators are all aligned. If they question an action, they must directly escalate to me for verification. > > Lots of this is more technical stuff that I can't really change because it has to be created (better U/D system/reporting/move feature ;_;). There's going to be some shifts Soon™ to make moderators more accountable for their actions and giving better clarity to why they were taken. > > What rules are not clear? It seems only GD struggles with this. Alright, but I'mma gonna remain skeptical cuz I got a gut feeling something screwy is gonna happen about that. Anyways for the u/d system however, would it be possible to turn it on in threads only with the current tech yah got? So people would not see them on the front page, yet could inside a thread? Finally about the rules, an example of one that recently got me alone was the movie spoiler thing, where you got to put [Spoilers] in the thread title. I legitimately forgot that was a thing and there's nothing to remind anyone about it anywhere. For GD special rules, all I'mma askin' for is a tacked post at the top about 'em or to update the guidelines about such things, whichever is easier.
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-08-20T01:48:12.238+0000) > > Alright, but I'mma gonna remain skeptical cuz I got a gut feeling something screwy is gonna happen about that. > > Anyways for the u/d system however, would it be possible to turn it on in threads only with the current tech yah got? So people would not see them on the front page, yet could inside a thread? The only other option is to set it back to how it was before removing it from discussions. > Finally about the rules, one that recently got me alone was the movie spoiler thing, where you got to put [Spoilers] in the thread title. I legitimately forgot that was a thing and there's nothing to remind anyone about it anywhere. For GD special rules, all I'mma askin' for is a tacked post at the top about 'em or to update the guidelines about such things, whichever is easier. I'll add that part into guidelines. > [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2016-08-20T01:56:31.405+0000) > > Does this apply to waifu threads since those are basically "look at pixelated bodies and drool" threads? This will apply to Waifu picture threads which purpose is overt sexualization with little discussion.
: Great, now there's even more confusing vague rules that vary how much the moderation currently in-charge hates their day. Also can we talk about other stuff yet or do we gotta wait a few more months to talk to them one by one? Yah know, like returning the u/d system in a state that it wasn't before, making the rules more dang clear instead of worse and giving us more report options already cuz sending in tickets take too long? And those are just examples I can think off the top of my head.
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-08-19T23:11:00.111+0000) > > Great, now there's even more confusing vague rules that vary how much the moderation currently in-charge hates their day. I'm working very closely with this to make sure moderators are all aligned. If they question an action, they must directly escalate to me for verification. > Also can we talk about other stuff yet or do we gotta wait a few more months to talk to them one by one? > > Yah know, like returning the u/d system in a state that it wasn't before, making the rules more dang clear instead of worse and giving us more report options already cuz sending in tickets take too long? Lots of this is more technical stuff that I can't really change because it has to be created (better U/D system/reporting/move feature ;_;). There's going to be some shifts Soon™ to make moderators more accountable for their actions and giving better clarity to why they were taken. What rules are not clear? It seems only GD struggles with this. > [{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=KiMp8bVu,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-08-19T23:46:56.229+0000) > > So let's clarify this: if we posted classical paintings with scenes of nudity, that's a ban, right? > > Yes, this is a kinda dumb question but then again, people slip by mistakes like this once in a while. In the post, it is stated, nudity is not allowed and will result in a suspension.
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MechEz (NA)
: Boards mods pls. Where did everything else I have ever posted go?
Looks like another account on Boards had your name which overlapped your profile. Went ahead and synced accordingly so your Boards history should be there again.
: [7/25/2016] Update on Ban Evasion suspensions
: So apparently BFNA for a 7 day ban for saying, "I don't stick my [censored] in crazy."
Hey all, BFNA's main account has had their suspension reduced to 1 hour. The violation should have only resulted in a removal and not the 7 day suspension which crosses a very harsh line. As we've stated, we take wrong actions very seriously and this action was taken by a moderator who is no longer with the program. We'll also be taking a look at how to tackle permanently suspended ban evasion accounts more efficiently within the Boards.
aelcie (NA)
: i've been hacked
Hey aelcie! Sorry to hear about your account and the phish/scam. Please continue to use the support ticket you currently have open as we have a team specialized in handling cases like these. We will be able to differentiate between the original account owner and the compromiser.
: Mystery project sneak peek~
Looks great! Much better than I could do at least. I can't even sew, let alone make props as well. Awesome job and should be proud!
: Unprofessionalism at it's finest
To clarify about the necro rule that we have. This only applies to someone who is maliciously bumping a ton of old discussions with the purpose of flooding. The normal action is to delete the necroed post (to give a warning to watch out for the dates) and then disable commenting. If it's something that we missed a long time ago that should have been actioned on we'll delete it with a warning to OP that the discussion is not marked against their account because we missed it but it was inappropriate so it was removed.
: Unprofessionalism at it's finest
Weird. Here's the link I was provided when looking over this case: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/1ILE49rR?comment=000e A discussion link should have been provided in this case and I've escalated that over to the moderation team. I couldn't see the other posts prior to his so I assumed the action was correct. **EDIT: It didn't have those other posts in it before and was showing the ones from 2 years ago. :(** I'll go ahead and reduce the suspension to 1 hour.
Spotty (NA)
: still havent been given a reason for my 1 day ban @TheCurator
We linked your discussion in the messaging. You know what you posted. > Hey Spotty , > > Due to the continuous posting of discussions not fit for our Boards, a 1-day suspension has been issued. While we do allow a number of topics that we can geek out about, there are some areas of discussion which are better left to other community platforms. > > The post has been removed and linked below: > > http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/mNBeEEkI/d/OW8fANWa
Éve (NA)
: So apparently you can't post your own videos on General Discussion?
Went ahead and undeleted the discussion. Sorry about that and I've escalated it to the moderators.
: IT'S BEEN A BLOOMIN' YEAR NOW RITO
: > [{quoted}](name=Keyru,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=upzd9wlz,comment-id=000800010000,timestamp=2016-05-12T01:06:11.094+0000) > > Good anime but NSFW so I cannot allow it. :( I'm guessing audio only is ok?
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=upzd9wlz,comment-id=0008000100000000,timestamp=2016-05-12T01:11:38.692+0000) > > I'm guessing audio only is ok? You should be good there. Here's some cheesy ones from the old times. These next 2 are probably the first animes I ever watched...Moldiver, Phantom Quest Corp, plus Tenchi Muyo, Babylon 5, and some other odd ones... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBSN9EfqWaU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCyoGFp5uwI
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