: Why does riot rework champs if they are going to make them feel entirely different to play
Riot doesn't realize that many people don't have the time to learn many different champions, so they just learn one. Then when they rework that champion they lose all the time they've invested into that champion and either spend more time to learn another champion or quit.
: When Riot Buffs Karthus, Yi, and Vayne all in the same patch.
Exactly how is dropping karthus from a 53% win rate to 46% a buff in any way? Even with the hot fix he only went back to 47% because the 50 damage nerf level 6 is making a huge difference between getting the execute or the enemy surviving.
: Since Galio is so hard to balance apparently, why not REVERT HIM?
Riot would rather remove champions from the game rather than balance them. In the case of galio, he's not flashy enough so they are removing him.
: > [{quoted}](name=KirbyCake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T16:21:47.950+0000) > > Once again, that only happens when you're shitting on your lane opponent that you get luxury vision. So you lost your lane, so that means jungle op? Mkay dude.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T17:06:44.798+0000) > > So you lost your lane, so that means jungle op? Mkay dude. the only way you can ward a junglers camp is to literally shove to the opponents turret while your opponent didn't thin out the wave at all and let it crash into his turret, which is literally shitting on him. in which case it would be better to just fully roam to another lane altogether. why don't you tell pro players to get good and ward the enemies jungle. oh wait, that only happens when one team is shitting on the other.
: Once again Riot misses the mark with Karthus nerft
Apparently his jungle clear is too good so they're gutting his ult. This was probably the most lazy way possible to remove him from the meta and make him unplayable. Like LS said, 9.11 was a dumpster fire and many of the changes are incredibly lazy with no effort whatsoever.
: > [{quoted}](name=KirbyCake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T15:03:05.353+0000) > > Vision plant pretty much reveals all the wards you have on one side of the map and blasting cone gives a free gank route that requires another ward to cover. > > How are you warding their camps without completely shitting on your lane opponent who is giving you priority for free? Also you need 2 wards to fully protect your lane from lazy gank attempts in which the jungler can always just take the long route if they really want to gank you for some reason. That’s when this super secret tactic called, warding camps comes into play. Junglers almost never use their sweeping cones to check their own jungle for wards.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T15:46:21.468+0000) > > That’s when this super secret tactic called, warding camps comes into play. Junglers almost never use their sweeping cones to check their own jungle for wards. Once again, that only happens when you're shitting on your lane opponent that you get luxury vision.
: How do you jungle now?
By literally not going afk. Too many low elo junglers go afk and wonder why they are levels below everybody else while not doing anything.
: > [{quoted}](name=KirbyCake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-30T14:46:24.119+0000) > > Jungle has never been more overpowered than before. Currently taking up all the top challenger spots in every region and deciding almost every pro game by itself. > > You can't just ward to shut down gank attempts. It is super easy for good players to bypass wards and gank anyways with all the vision denial and pathing tools they have. Good joke. You mean their duskblade, sweeper and pinks. The same thing every role gets? And no. Shutting down a jungler is laughably easy. Ward their camps. Oh, suddenly they can’t gank anyone who pays attention.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T14:50:31.828+0000) > > Good joke. You mean their duskblade, sweeper and pinks. The same thing every role gets? > > And no. Shutting down a jungler is laughably easy. Ward their camps. Oh, suddenly they can’t gank anyone who pays attention. Vision plant pretty much reveals all the wards you have on one side of the map and blasting cone gives a free gank route that requires another ward to cover. How are you warding their camps without completely shitting on your lane opponent who is giving you priority for free? Also you need 2 wards to fully protect your lane from lazy gank attempts in which the jungler can always just take the long route if they really want to gank you for some reason.
: Karthus victims let your voice be heard!
He's pretty much unplayable now, nobody can deny that.
: Tank Junglers.....A Thing of the Past?
Quite literally only the only champion you've put on there is an actual jungler and that is sej who is actually in a good spot and is a S/A tier jungler. Nunu is considered an S tier solo queue jungler as well, rammus was tearing it up for sure before the nerfs. In terms of solo queue tank junglers are super strong right now. In pro play they prioritize early game hyper mobile champions to immediately snowball the game. Unfortunately if you're not winning the game for your team at the 5 minute mark you're actually inting as the jungler.
: Jungles just in a shit spot right now. And Unfortunetly laners keep crying it’s op, when in reality, they just don’t want to ward to completely shut down any gank attempt.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37U0tvTI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-30T10:15:30.068+0000) > > Jungles just in a shit spot right now. And Unfortunetly laners keep crying it’s op, when in reality, they just don’t want to ward to completely shut down any gank attempt. Jungle has never been more overpowered than before. Currently taking up all the top challenger spots in every region and deciding almost every pro game by itself. You can't just ward to shut down gank attempts. It is super easy for good players to bypass wards and gank anyways with all the vision denial and pathing tools they have.
: Brother I'm still having trouble believing you didn't buy that account, with it being only level 36. Hell, the fact you're still somehow in diamond after only enough games after the cap was removed to gain 6 levels is pretty hefty evidence that there isn't enough decay.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bYdvTcbi,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T22:36:52.262+0000) > > Brother I'm still having trouble believing you didn't buy that account, with it being only level 36. > > Hell, the fact you're still somehow in diamond after only enough games after the cap was removed to gain 6 levels is pretty hefty evidence that there isn't enough decay. You do realize that d5 in the previous season is master tier this season? All my low diamond accounts play against master tier+ players straight out of provisionals. This account I got placed in diamond 3 and I still have +26 -10 lp in each games.
: Music and being around people effect performance?
I would suggest not playing with music. Sound cues are so important in this game. Humans react much faster based on sound rather than sight and there are many important sound effects in the game.
: The real reason why Jngl is unplayable.
You mean jungle is a solo carry 1 v 9 role that can win lanes for his teammates without falling behind in exp or gold.
: Is this the daily reminder that staying in diamond is twenty times easier than climbing?
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bYdvTcbi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-24T15:50:04.250+0000) > > Is this the daily reminder that staying in diamond is twenty times easier than climbing? If I climb to grandmaster will you admit the jungle is beyond busted and needs huge nerfs?
: Finally replaced my rubber-dome upstairs keyboard.
I don't know about you but my cherry mx space bar is already broken after a few month of use
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Deprecious (EUNE)
: Then what about you switch to jungle for a couple weeks ? to see how really fun it is The truth is, if you laners are morons and you cant get couple kills early, 80% time you fall behind
> [{quoted}](name=Deprecious,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bQYQdAUt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-24T10:38:21.947+0000) > > Then what about you switch to jungle for a couple weeks ? to see how really fun it is > > The truth is, if you laners are morons and you cant get couple kills early, 80% time you fall behind I'm already a jg main and collecting my freelo
: Jungle is a rough role. Especially after the nerfs that force jungler to fall behind in levels.
> [{quoted}](name=ChrisBrownze,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=b3qbmtiL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-24T03:34:40.408+0000) > > Jungle is a rough role. Especially after the nerfs that force jungler to fall behind in levels. I've never seen a jungler fall behind in levels
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: Have you ever met an intentional feeder in your rankeds?
Just saw an inter on my smurf yesterday, went 1/16 and had everybody on his team calling for reports on him.
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Lokidosi (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yBOhVI19,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:37:17.456+0000) > > I was at least hoping his W/L ratio would be high, but it's not. He ended D5 in S8 and on top of that he has a 25% winrate. > > That's pretty fucked up. Yeah, pretty much everyone I've ranted to about this has all reacted the same way. "Was his wr good?" "was he high diamond last season?" but he actually just misses all the marks lol. You'd think after losing 9 out of 12 games his mmr would at least drop a bit closer to his actual mmr
> [{quoted}](name=Lokidosi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yBOhVI19,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:39:53.599+0000) > > Yeah, pretty much everyone I've ranted to about this has all reacted the same way. "Was his wr good?" "was he high diamond last season?" but he actually just misses all the marks lol. You'd think after losing 9 out of 12 games his mmr would at least drop a bit closer to his actual mmr If you have been paying attention to the ranked changes at all this season, riot has essentially boosted each tier by 1 so that plat 5 = d4 and d5 has around master tier mmr. So with his master tier mmr, 6 net losses is only going to bring his mmr to around high diamond.
: I was at least hoping his W/L ratio would be high, but it's not. He ended D5 in S8 and on top of that he has a 25% winrate. That's pretty fucked up.
> [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yBOhVI19,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:37:17.456+0000) > > I was at least hoping his W/L ratio would be high, but it's not. He ended D5 in S8 and on top of that he has a 25% winrate. > > That's pretty fucked up. d5 in season 8 is actually gm this season. That's why he's still playing with high diamonds after a few games.
: How does Riot punish win traders?
I'm in a discord with win trading challengers. The worst that happened to somebody in the discord was one of his accounts getting banned out of his multiple accounts used for win trading, and his main challenger account was untouched. Basically, it's not a big deal at all.
: > That's 1 in 5 skin sales lost . And before moderator locks this thread hear me/us out. > That drop is GAMEPLAY related. Oh yeah, totally. There was no other large developments in the gaming community around this same time frame that would have had large impacts on Riot and people spending money on League. Of course not. *coughcoughBattleRoyaleGamesPUBGForniteApexLegendscoughcough*
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qeUAnrbo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:40:23.497+0000) > > Oh yeah, totally. There was no other large developments in the gaming community around this same time frame that would have had large impacts on Riot and people spending money on League. Of course not. > > *coughcoughBattleRoyaleGamesPUBGForniteApexLegendscoughcough* Not even the same genre of games and still a revenue drop off from 2.1b to 1.4b in 1 year is 100% due to incompetency and would instantly get most people in executive positions fired.
: Daily reminder, you spelled top wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z31FQ7Jg,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:45:27.360+0000) > > Daily reminder, you spelled top wrong. Top lane is decided by whoever has the better jungler and even when they get ahead they can't do anything until later into the game.
: No ya didn't. lol. Maybe try lying when the info can't be easily searched. Karthus jg is boring and easy with little counterplay. If you don't like that, you don't have to play it.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z31FQ7Jg,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:32:35.401+0000) > > No ya didn't. lol. Maybe try lying when the info can't be easily searched. > > Karthus jg is boring and easy with little counterplay. If you don't like that, you don't have to play it. https://imgur.com/a/PMhDDXT
: More like they refuse to nerf jungle Karthus so you're taking advantage of it and find _his_ boring freelo style boring.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z31FQ7Jg,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:26:37.953+0000) > > More like they refuse to nerf jungle Karthus so you're taking advantage of it and find _his_ boring freelo style boring. No, the jungle is just freelo in general. Last season I play jungle syndra and still win games.
: Kinda funny coming from someone who spams nothing but Karthus jungle, who has all that on top of not even having to walk into a lane to gank... One might think that's not actually your account considering the hypocrisy and the level.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z31FQ7Jg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-22T18:21:07.250+0000) > > Kinda funny coming from someone who spams nothing but Karthus jungle, who has all that on top of not even having to walk into a lane to gank... > > One might think that's not actually your account considering the hypocrisy and the level. I'm a jungle main now because rito refuses to nerf the role. Easier to win games than as mid/top. Literally all the high elo players just play jungle for the freelo but it gets boring to collect freelo from something so overpowered after a while.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Ambitious Minnow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BJNevdRd,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T00:44:49.739+0000) > > ??? "The Fid is afk and you took his camps." > The Fid is afk because I DESTROYED him early, I regularly have opponent junglers quitting entirely because I counter jungle early. I have this camps because I took them and killed him. > > "camps which are low leveled because he didn't clear them" I took them dry game start, either way, read your words: "which are lower leveled." > > "Not to mention your own camps are lower level and you get an exp penalty because the fid is under leveled. > > You would easily be a level higher than riven if you didn't get penalized for the fid literally being 5 levels below you." > > You use the word "penalize" twice in explaining how I don't get penalized for being jungle player? > > I regularly carry hard enough for opponents to quit, if I wasn't completely gimped by end game no matter how I perform, I would be out of the league i'm in. There's no good reason I shouldn't be highest level by end game of I carried hardest. No. Reason. Don’t even bother with this dude. He’s a troll who thinks he knows all because this one time he watch a pro and the pro did well in jungle, therefore, jungle op.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BJNevdRd,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T01:04:17.044+0000) > > Don’t even bother with this dude. He’s a troll who thinks he knows all because this one time he watch a pro and the pro did well in jungle, therefore, jungle op. I literally switched to jg and massively boosted my win rate, it is a brain dead easy role.
: Apparently junglers are constantly underleveled being 2-3 levels below solo laners
I started maining jg this season and the previous one because riot refuses to nerf the role. I already told you why you aren't the highest level on your team because jg camps are giving way less exp due to the afk fid. You realize camps are based on levels and you can get a 50% exp penalty for a level difference of 5? Also you must be super low elo because nobody plays fid jungle in anything but silver. Literally any non-jungle main can pick up the role and instantly boost their win rate, it is brain dead easy to carry with. I already told you to look in my match history and show me the game with the under leveled jungler, there isn't a single one. There isn't a single high elo player who doesn't think jungle is the a top 2 role in terms of carry potential. The only under leveled jungler is LITERALLY an afk one.
: > [{quoted}](name=Aarron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BJNevdRd,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T19:19:50.971+0000) > > Where is the underleveled jungler? > Warwick is higher level than most people in that game save for Riven who has a massive lead > > The fuck is your definition of underleveled? > The absolute state of junglebabs. You have brain damage? I have, what, 25% move cs and 33% more kills then Riven at and point in this game, but *am still a level below her???* Those are huge differences from both sides! That right there is THE definition of underleveled! How does getting MORE kills and MORE cs but having a LOWER level not click with you? B.R.O.K.E.N.
> [{quoted}](name=Ambitious Minnow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BJNevdRd,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T19:35:14.158+0000) > > You have brain damage? I have, what, 25% move cs and 33% more kills then Riven at and point in this game, but *am still a level below her???* Those are huge differences from both sides! That right there is THE definition of underleveled! How does getting MORE kills and MORE cs but having a LOWER level not click with you? B.R.O.K.E.N. Actually you are brain damaged for not knowing how jungle exp works. The fid is afk and you took his camps which are low leveled because he didn't clear them. Not to mention your own camps are lower level and you get an exp penalty because the fid is under leveled. You would easily be a level higher than riven if you didn't get penalized for the fid literally being 5 levels below you.
: Why was Hunters Potion removed?
It was only bought on non-meta junglers that needed a crutch for sustain. By removing the item riot has removed all trash junglers from jungling.
JoB0b (NA)
: Pay more attention, sure by end of game they might be close... First 15 min are most impacted. Lanes that decent at farming will be level 7 or 8 while the jg is 5 ....or jgl will be 6or 7 and a lane will be 9 or 10.... Only jungle champs not super effected are ones that have aoe clears with short CDs.
> [{quoted}](name=JoB0b,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBMr3re,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T17:51:51.941+0000) > > Pay more attention, sure by end of game they might be close... First 15 min are most impacted. Lanes that decent at farming will be level 7 or 8 while the jg is 5 ....or jgl will be 6or 7 and a lane will be 9 or 10.... Only jungle champs not super effected are ones that have aoe clears with short CDs. Once again, that doesn't happen unless the jungler goes afk.
: Jungler on the winning team is generally going to be floating within 1 level of solo laners. Jungler on losing team is generally below 2-3 levels for the majority of the game, often times completely out of his control.
> [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BJNevdRd,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-20T17:45:16.375+0000) > > Jungler on the winning team is generally going to be floating within 1 level of solo laners. > Jungler on losing team is generally below 2-3 levels for the majority of the game, often times completely out of his control. Wrong, the jungler on the losing team should be within 1 level of the solo laners on his team unless he went afk. In general the winning team is going to be above levels on the losing team anyways.
JoB0b (NA)
: Stop hating on jg players, and yes we are always behind in level as farming is pretty much useless for us.. unfortunately riot thinks its a good idea to keep nerfing the jg because people complain they get ganked and it caused the jg to have an impact.... Personally with all the constant bs nerfs to jg exp they should just remove the role and force 2 ppl top.... What is there to stop a lane champ that is 2 levels ahead from roaming and having more success ....nothing unless the jg can help otherwise we just die and u complain jg fed your lane
> [{quoted}](name=JoB0b,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BJNevdRd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-20T16:54:17.948+0000) > > Stop hating on jg players, and yes we are always behind in level as farming is pretty much useless for us.. unfortunately riot thinks its a good idea to keep nerfing the jg because people complain they get ganked and it caused the jg to have an impact.... Personally with all the constant bs nerfs to jg exp they should just remove the role and force 2 ppl top.... What is there to stop a lane champ that is 2 levels ahead from roaming and having more success ....nothing unless the jg can help otherwise we just die and u complain jg fed your lane Show me the game where the jungler was ever underleveled. Right now they have the influence of 3 supports but they are not not underleveled like a support.
JoB0b (NA)
: No the role gets nerfed enough ... Already always 2 levels behind lanes from constant exp nerfs... Just means people need to ward better and not get caught out
> [{quoted}](name=JoB0b,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBMr3re,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T16:45:44.342+0000) > > No the role gets nerfed enough ... Already always 2 levels behind lanes from constant exp nerfs... Just means people need to ward better and not get caught out I've never seen a jungler 2 levels below a solo laner unless they go afk.
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: > [{quoted}](name=KirbyCake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBMr3re,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-05-20T15:01:24.447+0000) > > Are you telling me pro players just need to get good? You are not a pro I am not a pro No one on these boards are a pro You do not play with any pros I do not play with any pros. Pro play is irrelevant.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBMr3re,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-05-20T15:56:01.604+0000) > > You are not a pro > I am not a pro > No one on these boards are a pro > You do not play with any pros > I do not play with any pros. > > Pro play is irrelevant. So if the better jungler wins in low elo and the better jungler wins in high elo and the better jungler wins in pro play, doesn't that mean the role needs a huge nerf?
: Daily reminder you spelled top wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBMr3re,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-20T14:41:20.714+0000) > > Daily reminder you spelled top wrong. Are you telling me pro players just need to get good?
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: No, diminishing returns would be getting only .5% EHP against that damage type after a certain point. There are no diminishing returns with armor. The perceived "diminishing returns" come from how the math works. I don't know the specific numbers, so I'll make some simple ones up for the example. Lets say you want to reduce incoming damage by 50%. You'll need 100 armor to do that. Now in order for you to reduce incoming damage by another 50% (so 75% total), you'll need 100 more armor (200 total). Now if you want to reduce incoming damage by another 50% (so 87.5% total), you'll need 100 more armor (300 total). The amount of incoming damage reduction never actually changes. 100 armor will always reduce incoming damage by 50%. That's how the math works, the numbers are more complex, but in essence that's what is going on.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MTQZ0a6k,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-18T18:58:42.047+0000) > > No, diminishing returns would be getting only .5% EHP against that damage type after a certain point. > > There are no diminishing returns with armor. The perceived "diminishing returns" come from how the math works. I don't know the specific numbers, so I'll make some simple ones up for the example. > > Lets say you want to reduce incoming damage by 50%. You'll need 100 armor to do that. > > Now in order for you to reduce incoming damage by another 50% (so 75% total), you'll need 100 more armor (200 total). > > Now if you want to reduce incoming damage by another 50% (so 87.5% total), you'll need 100 more armor (300 total). > > The amount of incoming damage reduction never actually changes. 100 armor will always reduce incoming damage by 50%. > > That's how the math works, the numbers are more complex, but in essence that's what is going on. Please don't post shit that you don't have the clue about. If you want to reduce incoming damage by 50% you need to double the amount of armor relative to 100%. 100 armor gives 50% reduction. 300 armor gives 75% and 700 armor gives 87.5%. 200 armor gives 67% reduction. 400 armor gives 80%.
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JoB0b (NA)
: Jgl is constantly nerfed from exp which makes jgl nearly unplayable and not very desired so are a lot of auto fills. Stop crying and get better with vision and being caught out if you are ganked.
> [{quoted}](name=JoB0b,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mW8Fa3te,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-17T20:30:23.770+0000) > > Jgl is constantly nerfed from exp which makes jgl nearly unplayable and not very desired so are a lot of auto fills. Stop crying and get better with vision and being caught out if you are ganked. I guess pro players just need to get good right?
: Jungle Difference feels insurmountable in low elo.
jungle difference is insurmountable in every elo. just look at pro games
: Is pick order random or affected by MMR? Is there a definitive answer?
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