NotSid (NA)
: Riot's silence about the PAX debacle means one of two things
They responded. They stand by what they did lmao. Get over it.
Rioter Comments
Rexxiee (NA)
: They actually went ahead and buffed a 30% pick rate 53% win rate champion (lucian)
uhhh your stats are really wrong lol. tfw lying to get upvotes
Rioter Comments
R0XTAR (NA)
: Okay, about ARAM
that would completely defeat the purpose of aram lmao. all RANDOM all mid
: The overdose of Jinx marketing is making me not wanna play this game more than bad balance and CertainlyT at this point, lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M3WEZX3K,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-09-09T13:16:31.797+0000) > > The overdose of Jinx marketing is making me not wanna play this game more than bad balance and CertainlyT at this point, lol. then quit
: Guys don't forget, Riot still hasn't apologized for banning males in the first place
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=q7fUm4A0,comment-id=004f00000000,timestamp=2018-09-07T11:11:44.181+0000) > > yeah supporting females is super sexist LUL. > > You guys are legit mad over something he didn't even say. Pretty sad. The intent wasn't sexist. The execution was sexist to both groups. Besides, would you retweet/reblog/share a post you didn't agree with unless you were going to explicitly state you didn't agree with it?
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=q7fUm4A0,comment-id=004f000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-07T11:24:38.137+0000) > > The intent wasn't sexist. The execution was sexist to both groups. > > Besides, would you retweet/reblog/share a post you didn't agree with unless you were going to explicitly state you didn't agree with it? Execution 100% coulda been better i fully agree, but what they did wasn't a bad thing by any means. They stand with their decision so idk what there is to argue. They wanted to give females a good place to go, and they did. Him agreeing isn't the same as saying "Every male who plays league should kill himself" It's clearly a joke that everyone is taking too seriously. He was right when he called this community manbabies and the joke he RETWEETED is something we hear every day on the internet, people are just reaching for reasons to be mad.
: > [{quoted}](name=mikemcparty,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=q7fUm4A0,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2018-09-06T15:24:30.524+0000) > > "Riot will suffer a massive loss..." > > Plays three games already today. Yup. You sure showed them. Playing games gives them money? Doesn't matter how much we play. What matters is money spent for RP. The more players we get to stop spending, the more Riot will hurt.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=q7fUm4A0,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-06T15:47:07.419+0000) > > Playing games gives them money? > > Doesn't matter how much we play. What matters is money spent for RP. The more players we get to stop spending, the more Riot will hurt. You realize that the boards is like ~1% of the player base right? So even if EVERYONE from the boards stopped buying RP, it doesn't put a dent in their money. Now i bet 65% of the boards wont buy RP (i dont care i just bought the lucian skin and it looks cool as fuck) so idk what you think you're achieving here. You're trying to make yourself feel like you're making a huge difference, but im 100% sure that what you're doing changed nothing. idk how Riot will "hurt" over this.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=q7fUm4A0,comment-id=004f,timestamp=2018-09-07T11:06:21.091+0000) > > imagine having people cry over a retweet lul Imagine having an entire company paint itself as blatantly sexist by silently allowing an employee to be consistently rude, unprofessional and, of course, sexist.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=q7fUm4A0,comment-id=004f0000,timestamp=2018-09-07T11:09:06.018+0000) > > Imagine having an entire company paint itself as blatantly sexist by silently allowing an employee to be consistently rude, unprofessional and, of course, sexist. yeah supporting females is super sexist LUL. You guys are legit mad over something he didn't even say. Pretty sad.
: PSA that Riot supports the Suicide of it's Male Playerbase
: Riot, you have no excuse for defending Daniel Z Klein now.
imagine having people cry over a retweet lul
: Let's chill with some Blitz!
There is actually people going through the post and downvoting people signing up. What the hell lmao "We want Riot to listen!" - People "Okay come play, you talk i'll listen." - Rioter "What the fuCK" - People
: i think it's time we show riot that this whole storm isnt gonna pass over
ima keep playing lul. even if you have EVERYONE on the boards agreeing, that's probably 1% of the playerbase. You can rally the boards all you want, nothings gonna happen.
: I reply to the title, not the body, which is understandable to be downvoted for. But to cause such a riot over particular nerfs of champions who people may not even really main their hearts to and such. Everyone is wanting to pick as much of a fight as possible. I just don't really care. I want to play and laugh with the game. I want to watch and analyze the competitive scene. To be downvoted for that is no skin off my nose. But who cares what I think? I'm not part of the boycott.
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuEp7cc8,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-09-06T03:49:53.357+0000) > > I reply to the title, not the body, which is understandable to be downvoted for. > > But to cause such a riot over particular nerfs of champions who people may not even really main their hearts to and such. Everyone is wanting to pick as much of a fight as possible. I just don't really care. I want to play and laugh with the game. I want to watch and analyze the competitive scene. To be downvoted for that is no skin off my nose. But who cares what I think? I'm not part of the boycott. I'm not a part of it either. I don't play the games based off of companies, i play games for the games. I think league is fun af and it's by far my favorite game, so idc what they do, im gonna keep enjoying it.
: Still no apology issued regarding "Man Babies" and more insults.
Cause you guys are manbabies. Why apologize for being right?
: I'll watch Worlds. I like the competition. That's all the reason I need.
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuEp7cc8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-05T17:24:33.716+0000) > > I'll watch Worlds. I like the competition. That's all the reason I need. downvoted for having an opinion LOL. Ill be watching worlds too my man.
Rioter Comments
Malza (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MhY8I0wG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-05T03:02:29.045+0000) > > <Removed by Moderation> My man, hard agree. Just bought the new lucian skin and it looks so damn cool.
: So you're once again just going to ignore every argument that is brought up and only focus on the single one that might just stand the ground to go through as an argument that helps you.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LYiZgaMW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-04T16:05:31.416+0000) > > So you&#x27;re once again just going to ignore every argument that is brought up and only focus on the single one that might just stand the ground to go through as an argument that helps you. uhhh no? Give me you full opinion on how you feel and ill respond to every single part of it my man.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LYiZgaMW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T15:52:40.633+0000) > > Riot never said &quot;All males are not allowed for the whole panel&quot; They closed off an hour and half so that females can have more incentive to go. And then the panel was opened up to everyone. > > This shit makes as much sense as saying &quot;My son can&#x27;t join girl scouts cause hes a boy? This is illegal&quot; Considering they refused to allow males to come in based on their sex, that is a violation of the above, no matter how you wanna phrase it. Furthermore, you're comparing apples to oranges. The Girl Scouts is an organization that promotes and empowers girls and young women (supposedly) and markets itself as such an organization. This event at PAX did not do so whatsoever, and Riot Games is not an organization that is based on the empowerment of girls and women.
> [{quoted}](name=WhiteUranium,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LYiZgaMW,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T15:56:15.588+0000) > > Considering they refused to allow males to come in based on their sex, that is a violation of the above, no matter how you wanna phrase it. > > Furthermore, you&#x27;re comparing apples to oranges. The Girl Scouts is an organization that promotes and empowers girls and young women (supposedly) and markets itself as such an organization. This event at PAX did not do so whatsoever, and Riot Games is not an organization that is based on the empowerment of girls and women. It's not though. A private event can decides who gets in and who doesn't. They wanted to hold a female exclusive part of the event, they have every right to do so. And people are just mad about this event cause gender is involved. You can say that it didn't help women, but that's flat out wrong. Their objective was to get more women to come to this panel to see what it's about (and so on) And it is an actual fact that FOUR women have signed up to FOUR past panels. This one had 400. People that didn't even go are mad about it, but the women that actually went obviously thought it was good. But of course we'll never hear from any of them cause if someone even says something neutral or realistic they get torn apart and downvoted / ignored.
: Pointing out double standards, hypocrisy and sexist behavior from a company representative that's being openly backed by the company is being a crybaby?
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LYiZgaMW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-04T15:52:49.956+0000) > > Pointing out double standards, hypocrisy and sexist behavior from a company representative that&#x27;s being openly backed by the company is being a crybaby? Nah if people weren't being crybabies i wouldn't have said that. No one is being realistic, they're making shit up and downvoting / ignoring anything that says the other side. This WHOLE thing started from Riot trying to give females an incentive to go to the panel - which they succeeded in. Literally 100x more females signed up for it. So people are witch-hunting, calling for people to get fired, boycotting the game, lcs and worlds all because of something that lasted 1.5 hours. So yeah, crybabies.
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> [{quoted}](name=WhiteUranium,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LYiZgaMW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-04T15:46:14.555+0000) > > Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. > > At the national level, protected classes include: > > Race or color > National origin or citizenship status > Religion or creed > Sex > Age > Disability, pregnancy, or genetic information > Veteran status > Some states, like California, have more protected classes than the federal baseline. In addition to the above factors, California adds: > > Marital status > Sexual orientation or gender identity > Medical condition, or AIDS/HIV status > Military or veteran status > Political affiliations or activities > Status as a victim of domestic violence, assault, or stalking Riot never said "All males are not allowed for the whole panel" They closed off an hour and half so that females can have more incentive to go. And then the panel was opened up to everyone. This shit makes as much sense as saying "My son can't join girl scouts cause hes a boy? This is illegal"
Rioter Comments
Odenmaru (NA)
: The fuck happened?
TLDR: People are mad cause Riot gave females an hour and a half at PAX to have a female environment (which was actually taken positively from people who went, 400 women signed up to 1 panel instead of the 4 TOTAL that have before) People are mad cause a Rioter called them manbabies, to which the community started crying about it which is pretty funny and ironic. I wouldn't even read the boards for the next week or so. It's gonna be people crying over nothing til they forget about it lol.
: How many people uninstalling? I did it yesterday and was curious
i played like 5 games today, gonna play more later. Games fun af.
: Daily Reminder to Boycott League of Legends
no. Just got the new lucian skin cause it looks cool af, LCS is so fun to watch and i love the teams, pros, and orgs in league, and i love playing the game! so nah fam.
Cycera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OccuIt,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T7M1sWMe,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-03T20:59:10.099+0000) > > All because guys lost 1.5 hrs {{sticker:cass-cry}} What Riot did is not only sexist and illegal, but against their ToS. It's not JUST "because guys lost 1.5 hrs"
> [{quoted}](name=Cycera,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T7M1sWMe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T22:14:49.275+0000) > > What Riot did is not only sexist and illegal, but against their ToS. It&#x27;s not JUST &quot;because guys lost 1.5 hrs&quot; Wasn't illegal. I dont know where people are getting this information from.
: Quitting finally
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pmWb7hvl,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-04T11:57:25.789+0000) > > You have two different options if you don&#x27;t want to see these posts. > > A. Stop filtering after &quot;Hot&quot;. > > B. Go to specific boards in question. C. Don't be on the boards. D. Don't stay in **GENERAL** Discussion
> [{quoted}](name=WhiteUranium,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pmWb7hvl,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-09-04T12:00:19.670+0000) > > C. Don&#x27;t be on the boards. > > D. Don&#x27;t stay in **GENERAL** Discussion I want to be on the boards and see what the non crybabies are saying Im not in GD, im in Hot, cause thats where the mix of shit is, but everything else is 2-4 years old this shit this shit this shit. There's no way to escape people babyraging.
: You have two different options if you don't want to see these posts. A. Stop filtering after "Hot". B. Go to specific boards in question.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pmWb7hvl,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-04T11:57:25.789+0000) > > You have two different options if you don&#x27;t want to see these posts. > > A. Stop filtering after &quot;Hot&quot;. > > B. Go to specific boards in question. Go through any filter. Best (or whatever its called) is all 2-4 years old Hot is this shit Recent is this shit New is this shit I want to see everything but GD which sucks cause there isn't a way to do that
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-04T06:56:58.638+0000) > > It&#x27;s not illegal. You didn&#x27;t have to pay to get into the panel - you pay to get into PAX. > > That makes as much sense as saying the boy scouts are illegal cause girls aren&#x27;t allowed. Funny/depressing thing is the boy scouts are being forced to accept girls nowdays... because the funding they were getting was gonna be cut if they didn't. But don't worry the Girl scouts don't have to accept boys. I talking about the bolded part "We've had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, **but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only**, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn't be excluded." Discriminating based on gender in hiring is basically always illegal. Another interesting part is the we had maybe "four" women apply to casting/esports ever when they currently have more then that working for them. Ovilee, Sjokz, Froskirinn plus multiple translators that i don't know the names of.
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T07:25:45.479+0000) > > Funny/depressing thing is the boy scouts are being forced to accept girls nowdays... because the funding they were getting was gonna be cut if they didn&#x27;t. But don&#x27;t worry the Girl scouts don&#x27;t have to accept boys. > > I talking about the bolded part &quot;We&#x27;ve had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, **but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only**, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn&#x27;t be excluded.&quot; > > Discriminating based on gender in hiring is basically always illegal. Another interesting part is the we had maybe &quot;four&quot; women apply to casting/esports ever when they currently have more then that working for them. Ovilee, Sjokz, Froskirinn plus multiple translators that i don&#x27;t know the names of. Again you're wrong. They never said "we will only hire women" they said more applied. Dont make shit up. And yeah there's more than 4? but you can only name 3 LOL.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T06:58:48.724+0000) > > That&#x27;s not true. Women, Men and Streamers and shit get touched inappropriately all the time at events like PAX. That&#x27;s such a brain dead thing to say lmao. Oh shit, so it happens to everyone? And only women feel threatened? Hello, this is earth. We're calling to let you know that a convention is full of people and getting touched inappropriately while being in a crowd can happen unintentionally!
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T08:45:59.043+0000) > > Oh shit, so it happens to everyone? And only women feel threatened? Hello, this is earth. We&#x27;re calling to let you know that a convention is full of people and getting touched inappropriately while being in a crowd can happen unintentionally! Yeah it happens to everyone, but it happens to women 100x more i guarantee it. And yeah unintentionally like people twisting pro players nipples, or kissing streamers or even slapping and touching their asses while they're taking pictures. COMPLETELY unintentional right? Im actually not sure if you're trolling or brain damaged at this point.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:35:14.391+0000) > > Why do you care that he called the community manbabies and shit? And how did holding a panel for females = a fuck up? Because if i call someone a manbaby in game that's grounds for me too be banned Because it wasn't held for females it was denied to paying customers based on their gender
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-04T01:48:56.169+0000) > > Because if i call someone a manbaby in game that&#x27;s grounds for me too be banned > > Because it wasn&#x27;t held for females it was denied to paying customers based on their gender He didn't say it in game? And no it wasnt. You had to pay for PAX, not the panel. Therefore, they didn't deny paying customers anything. If men weren't allowed at PAX then you would be right.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T00:39:15.693+0000) > > So your argument is to insult people that feel threatened by how men act at these conventions? Makes a lot of sense my dude. Get over yourself, this shit happened and you can be a baby back bitch about it, or just accept it and move on. Nothing you say will change what they did or how they feel. It was a positive experience for women which was entirely their intention. > > Your last point doesn&#x27;t even make sense. The amount of people that don&#x27;t feel safe at PAX and shit like that is pretty insane. So rather than thinking &quot;They&#x27;re excluding men, i finally have a chance&quot; its &quot;theres no men, ill feel more safe and accepted&quot; lol. You&#x27;re thinking about it in such a wrong way. If you feel threatened at a convention then you're at the wrong place.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T06:05:26.480+0000) > > If you feel threatened at a convention then you&#x27;re at the wrong place. That's not true. Women, Men and Streamers and shit get touched inappropriately all the time at events like PAX. That's such a brain dead thing to say lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:55:36.610+0000) > > Almost every female on the tweet saying how Riot stands with their decision was thanking them, my female friends said they liked the idea, my girlfriend was all for it. > > People are mad at Riot for the sake of being mad. This shit wasn&#x27;t &quot;special treatment&quot; this was literally trying to give more women a reason to go. From what ive heard (i wouldnt know cause im a guy) Girls get intimidated as shit when panels and experiences like this are being held. Neckbeards have no control over themselves and it makes the shit not fun, they dont want to go cause of a majority of the guys. > > Im gonna take an exact quote of someone who actually knows what&#x27;s happening behind the scenes. > > &quot;We&#x27;ve had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, **but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only**, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn&#x27;t be excluded.&quot; Do you have a link too this part. Because this is actually illegal
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-04T01:50:30.525+0000) > > Do you have a link too this part. Because this is actually illegal It's not illegal. You didn't have to pay to get into the panel - you pay to get into PAX. That makes as much sense as saying the boy scouts are illegal cause girls aren't allowed.
Otivnaig (EUW)
: Please, guys, DON'T forget...
I already forgot about it lmao, and im gonna buy RP when a skin comes out that i want. This will all blow over in a week and become a pretty good meme.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T12:03:24.721+0000) > > Why does it matter that he&#x27;s an employee? Why do his words all of a sudden hurt your precious little heart? If i said that shit you wouldn&#x27;t care, so why care that he said it? If you would say it I wouldn't care, you're right. It's because you aren't working for Riot and even write this shit on an official account marked as a System Designer for Riot Games. There's something an employee shouldn't do no matter the industry and that's being an insulting asshole to his own companies customers. > And your example works in a perfect world where everyone is the same, and everyone has the same opportunities and feels the same way. Who knows? maybe a woman knows it better than anyone at the event, but she didn&#x27;t go because of how dumb men are - which isn&#x27;t uncommon. I gave this example to the other guy here, and ill give it to you too. From someone who actually knows what&#x27;s going on behind the scenes, he said this: > > &quot;We&#x27;ve had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn&#x27;t be excluded.&quot; > > So how can you blindly go against Riot, cause they said they&#x27;re holding something for women? How can I go against Riot with the example you gave me? Simple: The 4 women that applied before that announcement was made weren't insecure little princesses. They knew that a job meant competing with other human beings, be it male or female, they knew that they have a chance at getting a job based on their own actions. Those 4 women have a stronger will than 4 million of those who applied after the announcement. Those 4 women are women who have the chance to become leading elements in their teams or even the industry. It's those women we need. Not the "they're excluding men, maybe I finally have a chance" ones. Those women is what the industry definitely doesn't need.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T14:04:58.057+0000) > > If you would say it I wouldn&#x27;t care, you&#x27;re right. It&#x27;s because you aren&#x27;t working for Riot and even write this shit on an official account marked as a System Designer for Riot Games. There&#x27;s something an employee shouldn&#x27;t do no matter the industry and that&#x27;s being an insulting asshole to his own companies customers. > > How can I go against Riot with the example you gave me? Simple: The 4 women that applied before that announcement was made weren&#x27;t insecure little princesses. They knew that a job meant competing with other human beings, be it male or female, they knew that they have a chance at getting a job based on their own actions. Those 4 women have a stronger will than 4 million of those who applied after the announcement. Those 4 women are women who have the chance to become leading elements in their teams or even the industry. > > It&#x27;s those women we need. Not the &quot;they&#x27;re excluding men, maybe I finally have a chance&quot; ones. Those women is what the industry definitely doesn&#x27;t need. So your argument is to insult people that feel threatened by how men act at these conventions? Makes a lot of sense my dude. Get over yourself, this shit happened and you can be a baby back bitch about it, or just accept it and move on. Nothing you say will change what they did or how they feel. It was a positive experience for women which was entirely their intention. Your last point doesn't even make sense. The amount of people that don't feel safe at PAX and shit like that is pretty insane. So rather than thinking "They're excluding men, i finally have a chance" its "theres no men, ill feel more safe and accepted" lol. You're thinking about it in such a wrong way.
: You did not destroy my argument. I have seen more women on twitter pissed off about this than I have who were happy. OHH NOO I JUST DESTROYED YOUR ARGUMENT. god damn i forgot gen y is hardheaded as fucking hell.
> [{quoted}](name=PlebosaurusRex,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-03T12:17:54.008+0000) > > You did not destroy my argument. I have seen more women on twitter pissed off about this than I have who were happy. > > OHH NOO I JUST DESTROYED YOUR ARGUMENT. god damn i forgot gen y is hardheaded as fucking hell. How did i not? 4 Women IN TOTAL signed up for all of their panels. But when they made a panel for women, 400 signed up to ONE. Tell me how that's not a blatant positive reaction from what they did. Im hardheaded for giving you actual facts and you're ignoring them cause it proves you wrong. Yeah good shit my dude. No need to get so mad tho lad, go take a nap or something. Edit, read this. It will explain it better than i can, and from someone more qualified to actually talk about it unlike us. https://twitter.com/chhopsky/status/1035945025417297921
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:55:36.610+0000) > > Almost every female on the tweet saying how Riot stands with their decision was thanking them, my female friends said they liked the idea, my girlfriend was all for it. > > People are mad at Riot for the sake of being mad. This shit wasn&#x27;t &quot;special treatment&quot; this was literally trying to give more women a reason to go. From what ive heard (i wouldnt know cause im a guy) Girls get intimidated as shit when panels and experiences like this are being held. Neckbeards have no control over themselves and it makes the shit not fun, they dont want to go cause of a majority of the guys. > > Im gonna take an exact quote of someone who actually knows what&#x27;s happening behind the scenes. > > &quot;We&#x27;ve had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn&#x27;t be excluded.&quot; > > Tell me more about how &quot;it&#x27;s an insult to them&quot; How about read it instead of pretending you know? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/JEs1gsBi-we-dont-want-special-treatment https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/yMabbwNr-i-attended-this-recent-pax-that-everyone-is-talking-about https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/IjHdratL-as-a-female-i-feel-more-personally-attacked-by-daniel-klein https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/sLET8FIh-room-613-a-girls-perspective
> [{quoted}](name=PlebosaurusRex,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:58:22.855+0000) > > How about read it instead of pretending you know? > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/JEs1gsBi-we-dont-want-special-treatment > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/yMabbwNr-i-attended-this-recent-pax-that-everyone-is-talking-about > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/IjHdratL-as-a-female-i-feel-more-personally-attacked-by-daniel-klein > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/sLET8FIh-room-613-a-girls-perspective So just gonna ignore the fact i just completely destroyed your argument? lmao. Yeah 4 girls said they dont like it, all upvoted cause if anyone says anything positive about it, they get downvoted. Go read the tweet, there was at least 15 women there (that i saw, i didn't go through the whole thread) saying thanks, and how much they appreciated it. And i guess since math isn't your strong suit ima slow it down for you. 15 is more than 4 and 400 is more than 4. Does that make me more right? According to you it does. And how am i pretending? I used a literal fact from someone that worked with Riot. He knows the actual facts and the actual numbers. But i guess im pretending by telling you facts that prove you wrong lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:35:14.391+0000) > > Why do you care that he called the community manbabies and shit? And how did holding a panel for females = a fuck up? I care because that's not how an employee is supposed to talk to his companies customers. He can do that as much as he wants on a private twitter account, as long as he doesn't publicly state that he's working for Riot Games. If he'd be working for my company he'd be gone already. Now as to why it's a fuck up: If you want to help women and NBs to get into the industry you don't EXCLUDE men from the actual event, you create EXTRA events for women and NBs only. You don't give the finger to men interested in getting into the industry, you give everybody equal access to the event and then offer an EXTRA event for women where they can talk about the ups and downs of getting into that specific industry. If you want equality you bring people up to the optimal standard, not bring the optimal standard down to fit the "oppressed minority". This is what modern day feminists don't get. You don't lower your standards, you bring people up to the same standards. If a man knows C#, C++ and JS and a woman knows C#, C++ and JS but has more experience then take the woman. If the man has more experience you take the man. If both have the same amount of experience you put them through a test or take the one that has been more promising in an interview. What happened at PAX was the man getting excluded from learning another language because "he is privileged anyway, he can do it by himself" while women and NBs were invited because they are the "oppressed minority". That's not how bloody equality works. The industry needs to build their foundation on equality of chance, not bloody equality of numbers. I want the best people working for my company and on our game, not a 50-50 mix that just happened to exist based on positive sexism. Their game will be garbage more often than not.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:48:06.233+0000) > > I care because that&#x27;s not how an employee is supposed to talk to his companies customers. He can do that as much as he wants on a private twitter account, as long as he doesn&#x27;t publicly state that he&#x27;s working for Riot Games. If he&#x27;d be working for my company he&#x27;d be gone already. > > Now as to why it&#x27;s a fuck up: > > If you want to help women and NBs to get into the industry you don&#x27;t EXCLUDE men from the actual event, you create EXTRA events for women and NBs only. You don&#x27;t give the finger to men interested in getting into the industry, you give everybody equal access to the event and then offer an EXTRA event for women where they can talk about the ups and downs of getting into that specific industry. > > If you want equality you bring people up to the optimal standard, not bring the optimal standard down to fit the &quot;oppressed minority&quot;. This is what modern day feminists don&#x27;t get. You don&#x27;t lower your standards, you bring people up to the same standards. > > If a man knows C#, C++ and JS and a woman knows C#, C++ and JS but has more experience then take the woman. If the man has more experience you take the man. If both have the same amount of experience you put them through a test or take the one that has been more promising in an interview. What happened at PAX was the man getting excluded from learning another language because &quot;he is privileged anyway, he can do it by himself&quot; while women and NBs were invited because they are the &quot;oppressed minority&quot;. > > That&#x27;s not how bloody equality works. The industry needs to build their foundation on equality of chance, not bloody equality of numbers. I want the best people working for my company and on our game, not a 50-50 mix that just happened to exist based on positive sexism. Their game will be garbage more often than not. Why does it matter that he's an employee? Why do his words all of a sudden hurt your precious little heart? If i said that shit you wouldn't care, so why care that he said it? And your example works in a perfect world where everyone is the same, and everyone has the same opportunities and feels the same way. Who knows? maybe a woman knows it better than anyone at the event, but she didn't go because of how dumb men are - which isn't uncommon. I gave this example to the other guy here, and ill give it to you too. From someone who actually knows what's going on behind the scenes, he said this: "We've had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn't be excluded." So how can you blindly go against Riot, cause they said they're holding something for women? I fully agree it could've been handled better, but seriously people are mad cause they're striving for more women in the industry. People are mad cause they see the word "gender" and immediately jump the gun on it and call it sexism.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krytoric,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:43:28.038+0000) > > It&#x27;ll be forgotten about. How was it gender discrimination? They held a panel for females. If gender is involved at all people cry wolf so hard. It was not a panel for females, It was an insult to many of them. Go tell a woman they need to have special treatment compared to a male, see how long they let you live.
> [{quoted}](name=PlebosaurusRex,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:50:00.408+0000) > > It was not a panel for females, It was an insult to many of them. Go tell a woman they need to have special treatment compared to a male, see how long they let you live. Almost every female on the tweet saying how Riot stands with their decision was thanking them, my female friends said they liked the idea, my girlfriend was all for it. People are mad at Riot for the sake of being mad. This shit wasn't "special treatment" this was literally trying to give more women a reason to go. From what ive heard (i wouldnt know cause im a guy) Girls get intimidated as shit when panels and experiences like this are being held. Neckbeards have no control over themselves and it makes the shit not fun, they dont want to go cause of a majority of the guys. Im gonna take an exact quote of someone who actually knows what's happening behind the scenes. "We've had maybe four women apply to any of our casting or esports programs ever, but as soon as we advertised that one would be women only, we got over 400 in one hit. Because in that moment they knew they wouldn't be excluded." Tell me more about how "it's an insult to them"
Ada Wong (NA)
: It won't be forgotten I want an answer directly from PAX if they allow this type of Gender Discrimination or not.
> [{quoted}](name=Ada Wong,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:38:18.909+0000) > > It won&#x27;t be forgotten I want an answer directly from PAX if they allow this type of Gender Discrimination or not. It'll be forgotten about. How was it gender discrimination? They held a panel for females. If gender is involved at all people cry wolf so hard.
: I can't wait until we see some heads rolling due to extremely toxic behavior by a certain employee. I also can't wait until this entire thing is done and Riot acknowledges that they fucked up again.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jY3PgbMv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:33:13.428+0000) > > I can&#x27;t wait until we see some heads rolling due to extremely toxic behavior by a certain employee. > I also can&#x27;t wait until this entire thing is done and Riot acknowledges that they fucked up again. Why do you care that he called the community manbabies and shit? And how did holding a panel for females = a fuck up?
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: Boycott Riot for Worlds 2018
nah, worlds is gonna be fucking awesome. TL made it my dudes
: > [{quoted}](name=MetaCosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3mMtQWE7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-02T23:48:01.612+0000) > > They haven&#x27;t violated any civil rights get your panties out of a bunch. > > For those who don&#x27;t know civil rights protects the rights of minorities to not be excluded. Applies to things like not being excluded from a job because you&#x27;re female or being denied an education because you&#x27;re chinese. Not dumb shit like making white males wait 2 hours to enjoy a booth. They did ban males explicitly from an event they actually paid for. No matter how you twist and turn it, that breaks the law. They denied an purchased service based soely on discrimination and sexism. That's a fact.
> [{quoted}](name=Speedweeb,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3mMtQWE7,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-09-02T23:57:09.022+0000) > > They did ban males explicitly from an event they actually paid for. No matter how you twist and turn it, that breaks the law. They denied an purchased service based soely on discrimination and sexism. That&#x27;s a fact. They didn't tho. No one paid for their specific panel. Wasn't this at PAX? You pay to get into PAX, not the panel. You're twisting and turning it to try to justify it. You're wrong, that's a fact.
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