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: wards by min 15 seems like a bad idea
I don't understand how this is related. Nothing I've said has anything to do with how long it takes to get wards. The support item is nerfing the gold a support gets by catching a wave mid/late game. Instead of getting ~25g per creep, we (eventually) get 6g per creep because of the support item. I'm saying that this is fine during laning phase, when your ADC should be the one CSing. However, when the game evolves, and I'm running around catching waves that are crashing, or there is a teamfight in lane and my spells are blowing away creeps, or my mid/ADC/top afks and I need to be the carry, or who knows what else, I need to get the full gold value for the creeps. Otherwise the support item is a liability not an assistance. Two ways to do this would be to (a) make the diminishing return only apply until the support item is fully upgraded (to it's final state), or (b) make the diminishing return only apply when friendlies are nearby. Neither of them completely solves the problem.
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