: This game needs a 25% damage decrease across the whole board.
So metagolem. And once you please these few you'll tick off a bunch more.
Nuparu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NineTailedMystic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PfeliEpx,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-07-08T23:26:42.302+0000) > > Why does everyone whine about LB and Talon and Kassadin losing their silence? It was not healthy for the game. But everyone getting stuns/slows/knockbacks instead is so much healthier, right?
The issue was the three champs mentioned was that it left no opportunity to retaliate. LB and Kass could silence you, drop their damage and dash out before the silence ended and once Talon had you low enough you were dead before the silence ended.
: Yes this would be reasonable he needs a buff anyways they could use his E for that maybe even make it less conditional but stronger when charged ltes say needs 1 spell cast in vincinity before he can use it but it'd be a weak slow 2th charge bit more damage bit more slow 3th charge a grounded is added 4th charge more damage bit more slow and final charge the grounded would be a silence kassadin is really weak right now so something liek this would make him more interesting as in do wait for a stronger E or do i go ham now its risky because they might get away if you don't use it charging it up gives good damage and good cc this would make kassadin more viable again i think
The only way Riot could reasonably give him a silence back is by making it so he can't blink in, silence you and do his damage and blink out before the silence ends. Basically they would have to hard nerf his ult for this.
: For the Assassin Rework can you remove the Kassadin Joke?
But it makes even more sense now than before. Especially if you knew he once had a silence. It just fits lol.
mythsealaes (EUNE)
: Hecarim overpowered?
Lol, the meta rolls on. Right now he could be pick/ban (don't know, not bothering to check) in a month or two he won't even be on the radar.
: If the role of an assassin is to kill the squishy high priority target...
Basically to differentiate each assassin from one another. If they all do essentially the same thing, then there will be no point in picking one aside from just going with whoever is the strongest.
Ralanr (NA)
: Idk man. Riot's been trying to make assassins less feast and famine, which makes them less high risk/high reward. At least that's what I'm getting.
Meant to curb snowballing. The problem is that it goes both ways.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iwOWxz1a,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-09T00:09:14.695+0000) > > {{champion:31}} is good against {{champion:157}} . Trust me. He makes CSing for Yasuo a living hell with his Vorpal Spikes. There are many other champions who are good against him and can make his laning phase a living hell. Including but not limited to these champions: {{champion:92}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:131}} These are just some examples. Uhh... No. If Cho can't hit his rupture, he can't kill Yas. That's a terrible matchup. Yas will just keep dashing out of rupture and harassing with cyclones...
Rupture is only really used when you are 100% certain you will hit it. There's a slight chance you could get him with the Q/W combo if Yas is being reckless. But more often if you are wanting to harass him, just use your Vorpal Spikes as you CS, when you go for a minion, make sure that Yas is on the other side and you should often nail both the minion and him, keeping his shield from being of any use. And after he throws out his Windwall, just W/Q him, the silence will make avoiding your Q near impossible.
: hes like zed if u counter him or crush him in lane then gg ez. stun him ez
{{champion:90}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:84}}
Edyr420 (EUW)
: Any cait nerfs in sight?
>-is in almost every game Wait, I thought that was {{champion:236}} ? Or was it {{champion:133}} ?? {{champion:104}} ???
: You cannot ignore us forever riot and hope that the problem will go away. BRING BACK SOLO Q
I almost wish Riot would give the people back their broken queue just to get the crybabies to quit whining. -_-
: Yes, I do agree. That's why the first order of business should be to strengthen Riot-community interaction. Riot just needs to be posting more threads basically.
They are actually pretty vocal if you check the Red Tracker. The issue falls from the fact that people want specific answers and often the Red who is not busy and can post in threads is RARELY the person to ask about that topic. Meanwhile the person who would know said answer is either busy on a project or has already forsaken these boards due to the unbridled hate that some Rioters get.
: What is so difficult about understanding the value of a fair playing field?
There are some ways Riot could implement some fixes to DQ, we'll just have to see if they go for it or not. Either way, doubt everyone will be happy, no one ever is lol.
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: Idk man, I think the idea of DQ is way better than SoloQ. Who cares what your SoloQ rank is in a team oriented game. SoloQ basically puts the idea of solo mindedness into the game. This isn't Call of Duty, you need to play for your team the best way to do that is with a team of people you trust. Win or Lose you don't turn on each other, you practice and get better. You can't do that with SoloQ. I feel most people who complain about DQ are people with no friends to play with. It's like we need some way to bring these people together to make them a team.
In ideal perhaps, but in it's current iteration, it's meh.
Rioter Comments
Dextix LT (EUNE)
: Almost like dynamic q has been around for half a year already while overwatch system is still a newborn?
Meanwhile Blizzard has been around for over a decade, has more resources, more experience and less excuses.
I can see it now. Ult into team fights. {{champion:13}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:21}}
: This god damned Cho'gath player.
Sometimes you just need to vent. Well, best to let it out and move on without letting this tilt you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kuroi86,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEBJv9J9,comment-id=00050000000000000001,timestamp=2016-06-30T06:00:18.507+0000) > > Right up until they realize that the issues with Yolo Queue are still present and start to complain again. > > Getting 4-5 man premades out of Queue would be nice, but just going back to the old system sounds bad. It made a lot of people hate trying to play ranked. Riot simply had to implement the new Champ Select for Solo Queue ranked and for normals to solve a lot of Yolo q's problems.
Some issues sure, but whether or not that would be enough, idk. Right now, if I had the rig for it, I'd be trying to rank up. If they went back to solo queue though, I'd be wary because of some of the BS I've dealt with in ranked. Started in S3, played a little over 30 ranked games since then, trying it out to see if things might have changed. Every time though, trolls, ragers, tilters, not a single game was fun because someone decided to just screw over everyone else whether they had a reason or not. Every match was one sided because the other team always had one or more people who just wanted to make the game suck. The sheer level of toxicity was abhorrent. One thing though, with the new champ select, I don't have to worry about getting stuck with ADC, telling the team I'm not good with the role, and proceed to get flamed and reported because I'm actually not good with the role. =/
: > [{quoted}](name=Zuom,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEBJv9J9,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2016-06-29T21:58:23.056+0000) > > To be honest DQ changed nothing in my life. Plat in s4, plat in s5 and plat now. And I made gold again playing solo. Not the point. More people are boosted to ranks they don't belong in.
Why some people think that premades should be matched against higher ranked solo players. Pit their teamwork against people that have the skill to actually test them.
: > [{quoted}](name=DErpMAstEr651,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEBJv9J9,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-06-29T22:46:29.043+0000) > > Even if they make the best decisions of all time you people would still shit on them Lmao, wrong. When they release Solo Queue, they will get credit where it's due.
Right up until they realize that the issues with Yolo Queue are still present and start to complain again. Getting 4-5 man premades out of Queue would be nice, but just going back to the old system sounds bad. It made a lot of people hate trying to play ranked.
: The best possible decision that could be made, would be a decision that would make every single person happy...your logic is incredibly flawed.
Not really, you have to consider from what angle you look at a decision. Riot often has to make decisions based upon facts and figures, based around their own balance ideals. Often times groups of players will disagree with these decisions based solely upon their own feelings with little caring as to numbers or facts. While Riot does try to take the feel of a situation into consideration, at the end of the day they cannot make decisions based solely upon feelings. Why? Because opinions change and majority feelings can shift quickly and easily, meaning you might never be able to catch up and always fail. Case in point. Towards the end of last season, there were a lot of complaints that the games were lasting too long. As a result, Riot took measures to speed up games so players could jump around quickly from one game to another without having to slug it out through an hour long match. First few months of S6 proceeded with the boards flooded with complaints about the game being decided too quickly with little chance for comebacks and more whining about snowballing than I've seen in over a year. TLDR; the players don't always know what is right, so no, you can't always please everyone.
srix17 (NA)
: I honestly don't know why people are saying that {{champion:107}} and the other assassins should be reworked. Their class (assassins) says it all, they kill the carries before they become more of a problem throughout the match. I understand that getting killed instantly by an assassin is irritating, but it's who they are along with their kits. Not only that but they can be countered, like every other champ in the game. Things like making be far behind becoming useless or just pure cc. It really isn't complex. If you don't like playing against them just simply either ban them (draft mode), make them become useless by killing them, or just don't play at all. I've seen it almost every match, "That is too OP", when it all depends on the person who plays the champ. There is literally no need for people crying like such little children when it's just a stupid game. I don't understand why people take this game way to serious. Assassins are the counter source to adc's. They've been nerfed to the point where people don't really play them, it's either because they main the champ or just playing for fun. It doesn't matter if the champion is healthy or not. I'm sure you all know that the current meta is tank with cc. There is absolutely no need for these changes just because people get rekt by assassins and start bursting into tears over a fed assassin. You either have to grow up and deal with it or uninstall if you can't handle assassins. And you do realize that in order for an assassin to immediately delete someone, they need to snowball. In other words, when playing an assassin you either destroy or get destroyed. If you get one shoted well sucks to be you. Don't be crying to Riot for getting your ass handed to yourself and demand things to be changed. If you're one of those people who rage after being killed so many times let me tell you this, shut up, you suck, grow up, move on. Losing to a fed assassin isn't the end of the world people, open your eye and see that it's just a game and stop complaining. Get the assassin behind, if that doesn't work then group and work as a team to deal with it. No matter if it's ranked or normal, either deal with it or uninstall and play another game that pleases you. And please, just shut up and play the stupid game instead of raging on chat or complaining to riot because it's seriously annoying. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
The champion update in the case of assassins is to increase game health. Aka to allow for more/better counterplay than what currently exists which is simply not fair to many players. That is the simple why. Agree or not, it is why it's happening, and it is happening.
: And I am like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCBXqPUpTSk
Rioter Comments
Vanjie (NA)
: Don't start. I can take out the "Encyclopedia of Riot's Imbecile Decisions" and you will see for yourself. I will say a few words to sum it up, since you seem to think this one controlled instance doesn't prove it. ADC REWORK AND FOUR MONTHS. It took Riot almost five months to work on the over-buffed ADC champions, abilities, and items. Riot essentially broke the game and made it to where ADC and bruisers were being played in every lane. Eat, snap, crackle, and tongue pop that moment in time. That is just one example of their horrible decisions and not listening to player feedback. OH LET'S ALSO ADD RELEASING THE LAST AND ONLY EVENT THEMED SKINS IN OCTOBER ON NOVEMBER . . . . 2ND OR 3RD. Great job Riot games. Great lazy and stubborn work ethic.
And fail. While a small number of ADC were overbuffed, the ADC update overall was a massive success. But to put it simply, you failed from the beginning. >you guys really dont listen to the community at all. There is proof they listen. They may not always go with our ideas, but there is more than enough proof that they listen. Whether or not you want to admit that you're overreacting, that's your call, but I've said enough.
: When You're The Only One Who Doesn't Own Overwatch
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Yeah, more just waiting for my paycheck to come in to hit up the Steam summer sale. Overwatch just smacks of overrated.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kuroi86,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HRo8jpcb,comment-id=00130000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-26T02:02:30.235+0000) > > It's actually a pretty beastly build. > {{item:3116}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3068}} {{item:3158}} {{item:3742}} {{item:3102}} Deadman's plate's passive damage won't work with Vlad. Instead, I tried this one yesterday: {{item:3116}} {{item:3065}}{{item:3158}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3068}} {{item:3143}} . It seems pretty solid, the healing is a bit weaker but still strong, and with runes/masteries I have 43% cdr. You could replace {{item:3143}} with {{item:3001}} and {{item:3158}} with {{item:3047}} . It might actually work. The only downside is that you don't have any magic pen and you might end up dealing more damage to yourself.
>Deadman's plate's passive damage won't work with Vlad. Oh I know. The point is to give you more MS to keep on top of enemies easier.
Vanjie (NA)
: They don't listen period. Look at Dynamic Que and Solo Que. These imbeciles are really listening huh?
Wow, one example. Meanwhile the recent Zed nerf, came from the boards. I can point out numerous instances where splash arts were changed based on feedback from the boards. Mordekaiser receiving changes that put him in a decent spot after the juggernaut update failed, that came from the boards. Heck Braum is based on a character concept from back on the old forums! Does Riot always listen to the boards, no. But then if you watch the boards long enough you realize that a lot of people around here haven't a clue what they are talking about. But if you paid attention for half a second you'd see that a lot of changes actually got suggested by players at one point or another.
: Target selection and mobility. Assassins in general have much better access to the carries by virtue of their mobility. For what it's worth, I don't think the distinction is healthiest, but there does exist a fair difference in the the gameplay of assassins and burst mages.
Mages are also meant to bring more AoE or CC to the table while assassins typically have more single target damage than their immobile counter parts.
Vanjie (NA)
: No. The problem with Vel'koz and Brand is that we told you not to work on them. What did you do? You didn't listen and wasted time on them. That time could have been used on somsone else or made it easier for you to get it out. Listen to the community and stop being stubborn. Oh so it ks basically another excuse to work solely on Zed? Great idea. Keep Zed completely out of it. Give Eve, Talon, Rengar, and other champions the time. Please do not use this as a excuse to work on Zed yet again. Zed had 5 months of work on him the beginning of the year. He contined to have buffs, nerfs, and complementary buffs to his kit for patches after. Stop working on your love child and give some of that love to other assasins. I swear to God if I see that he is part of this update, you guys really dont listen to the community at all. DON'T WORK ON ZED AT ALL.
>I swear to God if I see that he is part of this update, you guys really dont listen to the community at all. Wow, you don't pay much attention do you? Riot listens to and takes queues from the community quite often. Just because they don't listen to every kid that posts rants and pitches tantrums doesn't mean they don't listen to the community.
Rivini (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fuck the Queen,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Tnfw1WW6,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-06-23T20:24:16.742+0000) > > Honestly Zed is argueably the posterchild for healthy assassin. Poster child, yes, but not healthy. > He has too many windows of counterplay at a high elo play, and not enough at low elo. Oh, so _that's_ why he's played in the LCS... you know, where the players obviously pick only the balanced champions with clear weaknesses. Kidding aside though, I smell a dose of Kappa.
>Poster child, yes, but not healthy. Actually aspects of his kit are. To put it simply, his assassination style is one of if not the healthiest in the entire game. It gives a fair amount of time for counter play and if you can manage said counter play, a massive amount of damage is negated. That said the only aspect of his kit that makes his counter play annoying still is that his Q is still very reliable when he goes in for an assassination.
: The only thing that I ask concerning the Assassin Rework
Bruiser is the word you're looking for. Not "tank assassin". And if you want to push assassins more towards assassin builds, you need to make it more worth wild to build burst than DPS on them.
: Haven't seen full tank Vlad yet.
It's actually a pretty beastly build. {{item:3116}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3068}} {{item:3158}} {{item:3742}} {{item:3102}}
: Adcs complain about Swain and Vlad
Pretty certain Vlad and Swain have always dumpstered all over any ADC that gets within range (unless they have half their team backing them of course). Truthfully unless you're a fed assassin or bruiser it's actually a good idea to stay away from these two.
: ***
What I'll do is stick to my guns, stick to the role that was assigned to me and report the troll afterwards. If you want to encourage trolls and toxic behavior, go right ahead. But don't pretend that rolling over is mature. I don't rage, I don't complain and I sure as heck don't try to excuse immature behavior. I stick to my guns and do what I know is right.
: not to say it's a good think but i would most certainly give up my role to a troll rather than let the troll ruin my in game experience even more
And how many trolls have to bully you out of your lane before you realize you're part of the problem? While I see what you mean, I whole heartedly disagree. By giving in you only encourage them more. The more they are encouraged, the more others will end up following suit because the tactic works. Is it the tougher road, yes. But I will always stand my ground over giving in to people like that. Yes this is a video game, so while I say this, either way I don't let it bother me much. What I do is stand up for a principle. I refuse to be pushed around no matter when or where someone tries to do so.
: ***
>I'll fill and then report when I'm done. That's being mature and logical. Pick your battles, kid. Throwing a fuss over a silly game cause I don't get my way is foolish and immature. I can play a diff role and then throw a report in after we win Now here you make some real sense. It's still not good to give in in situations like that. But at least you're also making a point that they should be reported for such behavior.
: ***
There's rolling with the punches, and then there's bending to trolls and excusing toxic behavior. While you can try to agree with him in saying that he's rolling with the punches. The fact is, he shouldn't have to because the system is set up to prevent him from having to make that sacrifice. The fact that anyone is still trying to defend that sort of behavior suggests just how defeatist some people have become.
: maybe you should give them adc next or have more than 2 adc picks Edit: keep down voting kids, look away from solutions to issues like this thx for 200 downvotes, new milestone :^)
Because bending to trolls is a good thing? The new champ select was implemented to avoid bs like this. What they did was childish, don't know why the heck you would support someone acting like that.
: Suddenly sacraficing for the benefit of your team is seen as a negative trait?
The point of the new champ select is that sacrificing for your team won't be necessary anymore. What they did was unsportsmanlike and childish.
: Most players have never seen most champions' crit animation
{{champion:86}} actually friggen stabs someone when he crits, it looks beast. But unless you run crit Garen, you'll never see it. I whole heartedly support this.
: kiting backwards as an adc
Okay so, this raises a good question. Why do we not have a marksman that flings energy swords at targets yet???
rossmorr (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hige,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZZN8QMu,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2016-06-17T22:19:31.331+0000) > > Because going back adds nothing of value, instead it renders hours of work useless, l understand that a lot of people feel attached to a lot of things but this isn't your teddy bear you hug at night, this is a product with a very specific direction and if they think Leona could use some improvements it's not because they spin a roulette and the needle pointed at her, it's because of a surmount of data that shows Leona as a potential successful ground to work on. > > If a building ends up being a little crooked you don't demolish it down, you fix it with stucco and whatnot because demolishing it is a bigger expense than repairing it, in this case they do it with a button of course but what about the time, effort and money they invest? do you think changes to champion just spurt out from a cloud? > > Either way, as a company, going back on your work is an awful strategy, you gotta keep pushing forward and Riot is very good at fixing their mistakes, the only problem is that it takes time and good management of resources. it's more like me having a perfectly good building, demolishing it with the intention of building a better building, my new building turns out worse, and I have the ability to time travel back and stop myself from demolishing the original. I am obviously going to take the time travel option. (even if i still lose all my resources i would rather have the original)
At least you think it is perfect good. What do you do when the building inspector comes in and points out numerous points of fault? Are you going to tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about?
Leetri (EUW)
: Negativity bias. You don't remember the 10 games where you killed them just fine, but you remember that 1 single game where they kicked your ass.
: > if they actually do break leona then they won't go back on their decisions R.I.P {{champion:161}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:72}}
Three viable, two Riot finally realizes are in need of larger reworks.
: Do you have link for that? Wasn't it too old and didn't they change their plans? It sounds interesting. As for Mastery: I didn't count it since I understand it as a bonus merely for everyone, positioned in a tree to limit it for certain roles, but still general bonus.
I'll try looking but I'm not hopeful. I've tried looking before and it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I remember it was in the news section on this site. A red had posted a bunch of item ideas that he had considered way back when there were first talks of a mage update, probably a year ago now. There were a number of changed and even new items spoken of in it including an item that gave 10% cdr and would increase your cdr cap by 10%. I always remember that article because it had an idea that would reintroduce Runic Bulwark into the game which I miss sorely.
: Old Dragon vs new.
And now we have {{champion:136}} stalking {{champion:102}} and blowing galaxy sized kisses at her any time she ults...
: http://i.imgur.com/YKFS2Qi.jpg" The rule #3 of League is that Garen is immortal when positioned in a bush. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=903161 for the original btw
1. Bookmarked, this is hilarious. 2. If these rules aren't in there, they should be. >Never dive Renekton, he always has his ult up. >If you think Pantheon has the damage to kill you, you're right. >Ruthless Pantheon is immortal, just get used to it.
: Perma ulti riven comfirmed
*sniff sniff* I think someone somewhere just wet themselves at the thought of this.
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