: Are you fkin kidin me have you seen how toxic he still is in every stream ? Not even jokin every stream i have seen on youtube he loses his shit. Always insultin his team never his fault . NOT reformed . Riot likes money so of course they lifted his ban. Side note you tyler wanabes please do not comment i do not care and i will not read it, so do not waste your time. Rant done.
> [{quoted}](name=Ikilleddory,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Wxbxva8X,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2018-02-15T03:02:11.532+0000) > > Are you fkin kidin me have you seen how toxic he still is in every stream ? > > Not even jokin every stream i have seen on youtube he loses his shit. > > Always insultin his team never his fault . > > NOT reformed . > Riot likes money so of course they lifted his ban. > > Side note you tyler wanabes please do not comment i do not care and i will not read it, so do not waste your time. > Rant done. He isn't toxic in chat. Riot doesnt give a fuck if youre toxic on stream, just keep it out of the chat.
NiamhNyx (NA)
: Aram MMR =/= Ranked MMR I fail to understand why people cant grasp this simple one.
> [{quoted}](name=NiamhNyx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MfsEEAcP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-01T02:57:33.587+0000) > > Aram MMR =/= Ranked MMR > > I fail to understand why people cant grasp this simple one. No need to be a dick about it. I'm aware that they're separate, I've just never seen anything as one sided ranked wise as this in my years of playing. 4 pro level players versus some plats, a gold, and a silver.
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: soooo....did they ever lift the ban?
> [{quoted}](name=themachamp,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=0036,timestamp=2017-10-17T08:20:20.958+0000) > > soooo....did they ever lift the ban? No, they said if I didnt have 8 past chat restrictions they would have though.
: This game has successfully made me attend Therapy against depression
When anyone starts flaming just mute them. Easy solution. If they start inting/trolling, well, shitty luck. Just play till the game ends and start a new one.
: Simply because they are not related to this case,it does not mean that all the other 7 penalties won't count towards your chances of being unbanned(which you maybe are by now).And just because you acknowledge that you deserved those penalties it still does not matter if you do not try to avoid them.Personally writing this because these penalties brings dirt to the Lelouch name.
> [{quoted}](name=Lamperouge,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=0032,timestamp=2017-10-11T11:45:43.915+0000) > > Simply because they are not related to this case,it does not mean that all the other 7 penalties won't count towards your chances of being unbanned(which you maybe are by now).And just because you acknowledge that you deserved those penalties it still does not matter if you do not try to avoid them.Personally writing this because these penalties brings dirt to the Lelouch name. I've never actually been banned before, just chat restrictions, which like I said, I deserved. I just find it really shitty that my first ban is when I'm not being toxic at all, poor choice of words sure, but there was no ill intent.
: honestly I have no sympathy. You were most definitely intentionally doing this trying to get the system to do something so you could come ot boards and whine about it.
> [{quoted}](name=RottedApples,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=0030,timestamp=2017-10-10T22:19:09.575+0000) > > honestly I have no sympathy. You were most definitely intentionally doing this trying to get the system to do something so you could come ot boards and whine about it. Why the hell would I want my only account (not anymore) to be banned so I cant play my favorite game? Lol?
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2017-10-10T02:50:20.193+0000) > > Having 8 prior penalties matters not. You can't charge a rapist for bank robbery if he doesn't rob a bank. No, but you can charge a rapist for all of the acts of rape.
> [{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=000400010002,timestamp=2017-10-10T19:32:06.753+0000) > > No, but you can charge a rapist for all of the acts of rape. All those other times I was chat restricted I knew I deserved it, hence why I never asked for it to be reversed. In this case, I was not flaming, poor choice of words (or letters), but there was no ill intent.
: Dude. How tf do I know ( if I was some1 who banned people by reading chatlogs) that you meant that? If a human can't tell that cause you literally said 3 words all game then don't expect a program to.
> [{quoted}](name=PePsiLemoNN,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=0011000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-10T13:55:04.686+0000) > > Dude. How tf do I know ( if I was some1 who banned people by reading chatlogs) that you meant that? If a human can't tell that cause you literally said 3 words all game then don't expect a program to. Again, the Graves understood exactly what I meant. Why would I randomly say graves kys and nothing else the rest of the game? Because it was when he had a bunch of gold and needed to buy after not dying the whole game, and that death was his only one that game right after I said to kys. Coincidence? No.
: What? Literally all he said all game was ''graves kys'' , I'd ban that.
> [{quoted}](name=PePsiLemoNN,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2017-10-10T08:39:34.862+0000) > > What? Literally all he said all game was ''graves kys'' , I'd ban that. Yes, as in, graves kys so you can buy items, not the actualy person kys. Almost like context matters. If the graves knew that, then surely you would too. Why do you think I said nothing else all game? I wasn't flaming.
Destaice (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2017-10-10T02:50:20.193+0000) > > Having 8 prior penalties matters not. You can't charge a rapist for bank robbery if he doesn't rob a bank. False equivalence. He's been repeatedly told not to use that terminology. And chose to do so anyways. He has no excuse for it.
> [{quoted}](name=Destaice,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=000400010001,timestamp=2017-10-10T12:10:34.577+0000) > > False equivalence. > > He's been repeatedly told not to use that terminology. And chose to do so anyways. He has no excuse for it. I have not been told not to use kys. I've gotten chat restrictions for actually flaming people. Dont bother commenting unless you read.
Lélouch (NA)
: Banned for misinterpretation of "kys"
I already know this won't be overturned now. I just find it funny the one time I'm actually banned is when I'm not even flaming. If i was I wouldn't be here.
Punkkee (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lélouch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=002800030000,timestamp=2017-10-10T02:44:23.811+0000) > > https://imgur.com/a/FwbuR Heres a picture of me asking the Graves about it. If the guy I directed it towards knew exactly what I meant, then whats the problem? thats irrelevant. the problem is that you were punished for the 8th time and was still not able to learn from those 8 times.
> [{quoted}](name=Punkkee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=0028000300000000,timestamp=2017-10-10T03:05:16.060+0000) > > thats irrelevant. the problem is that you were punished for the 8th time and was still not able to learn from those 8 times. Why does anything I did in the past matter at all in this case? Especially when I WASNT EVEN FLAMING. I've never tried to contest any of my chat restrictions before because I knew I deserved them. I'm contesting this because I am banned for telling a player to kill themself so they can buy in aram.
Lélouch (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Lélouch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=00280003,timestamp=2017-10-10T02:38:26.070+0000) > > I never claimed I was never toxic, Im saying I didnt deserve a ban in this instance because there was absolutely no ill intent when I said it. Like I said, even the person I said it to knew exactly what I meant by it. because I asked him about it, and even he sent a ticket to try and get me unbanned. I've gotten chat restrictions as you can see, but it has never progressed into a ban because once i do get restricted I watch my mouth. Again, never claimed I'm a perfect summoner, just saying that in this case I was not actually telling him to kill himself, the player, but his character, so he could buy. https://imgur.com/a/FwbuR Heres a picture of me asking the Graves about it. If the guy I directed it towards knew exactly what I meant, then whats the problem?
: Or..... just back? Edit: I'm a dumbass. Didn't realize we were talking about ARAM. I'll see myself out.
> [{quoted}](name=mikemcparty,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=0022,timestamp=2017-10-09T23:08:39.676+0000) > > Or..... just back? ARAM
: No offense, by why would you even type kys when you know it's a known trigger of getting reported? As others have suggested, there are tons of different ways you could have said it. Even "Kill yourself so you can buy" instead of just the acronym "kys". I don't think you should be banned, but it certainly wasn't a smart move on your part.
> [{quoted}](name=Placentas,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2017-10-09T22:26:54.252+0000) > > No offense, by why would you even type kys when you know it's a known trigger of getting reported? > > As others have suggested, there are tons of different ways you could have said it. Even "Kill yourself so you can buy" instead of just the acronym "kys". > > I don't think you should be banned, but it certainly wasn't a smart move on your part. I've not once said it was a good idea. Im saying I had no ill intent with when I said it, and the person I directed it towards understood that. From now on I'm gonna say "die so you can buy"
Elipo (NA)
: if you know the bans work iwith an automated system you should never write that , seriously
> [{quoted}](name=Elipo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2017-10-09T22:17:38.412+0000) > > if you know the bans work iwith an automated system you should never write that , seriously I've been saying it in this context for the 3 years I've been playing league, and I've never been punished for it, so I thought nothing of it. Just a fast and convenient way to tell them to suicide so they can buy, without having to type more than 3 letters. So no, I did not know their was a system that looked for the phrase kys, considering I've used it before and nothing happened.
: You have no way to prove you meant anything besides what was said. Arguing that it was advice because he hadn't died is just as plausible as the argument that you were telling him to kill himself out of resentment for doing so well. And you _didn't_ say, "kill yourself so you can buy." You only said "kys." That's not going to help your case.
> [{quoted}](name=Declovone,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2017-10-09T22:00:52.684+0000) > > You have no way to prove you meant anything besides what was said. Arguing that it was advice because he hadn't died is just as plausible as the argument that you were telling him to kill himself out of resentment for doing so well. > > And you _didn't_ say, "kill yourself so you can buy." You only said "kys." That's not going to help your case. Resentment for doing so well? What? Im happy when teammates do good lmao. I said literally nothing else all game and our team was doing really good, including me, even got my favorite champ, was a great game. Even the Graves knew what exactly what I meant. He even wrote in a ticket to support as well trying to get me unbanned.
Pale Pirate (EUNE)
: Hey dude, best luck with your problem, random question. Do you ever play on the EUNE server? There is a frequent ARAM player I meet named Lelouch with a changed "e" just like you.
> [{quoted}](name=0 oxros piratis,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2017-10-09T21:52:36.869+0000) > > Hey dude, best luck with your problem, random question. Do you ever play on the EUNE server? There is a frequent ARAM player I meet named Lelouch with a changed "e" just like you. Naw, NA only
: Obviously best way to say it
I know its not the best way to say it, but Ive ever gotten in trouble for saying it in this context in ARAM in the 3 uyears I've played, so I didnt think it was a bannable offense. Was just convenient and fast to type kys. I never claimed it was the right thing to say, Im just saying it shouldnt be bannable considering the context in which it was used.
: May I suggest making your intentions more clear next time as you literally only said "kys". Of course someone is going to interpret this as you telling the player to kill themselves, considering how often people actually do say that in this game.
They really shouldnt given the context. Nobody was saying anything or flaming, a guy notices that the graves hasnt died yet and has over 4k gold hes sitting on and says graves kys. With nothing else the entire game.
: I feel like this is unfortunately taken down to the fact that 'KYS' is a phrases that has very obvious toxic uses. Using it in any situation where it could of been worded better was probably your fault. 'Go shop' '~~Die to buy~~' 'Execute' 'die to tower' were all much better choices to have chosen from, and whilst it's understandable the adding 6 extra characters onto a simply understood phrase can be tedious. It prevents situations like these from occuring. Not say I think you should of been banned. But you get it.
Oh yeah I'm definitely gonna say from now on something like "go die to buy items". Ive just never gotten punished in the almost 3 years of playing league saying that in ARAM before, so I never thought anything of it.
zPOOPz (NA)
: No. The IFS does not auto scan every single game and punish people. The IFS ONLY review reported games. I am 100% certain you DO NOT get banned if you do not get reported regardless of what kind of hate speech you spewed. There has been many an occasions Rito Tantrum who wrote the IFS shared the condition of his codes. Off the top of my head, it is something like: (if report > 0) { .... } It means if you do not get reported (report = 0), you do not trigger the IFS. Someone on your team or the enemy team had to report you for you to get banned. Maybe it was salt report from the enemy or maybe someone on your team stealth report you. I don't know. But saying "kys" in and of itself is not auto ban.
I have no idea then man. Like I said, those 3 lines are all I said. As in, thats the chat log that popped up telling me why Im banned. I have no idea why I got reported if what youre saying is true. Shitty :/
zPOOPz (NA)
: I'm curious. What did you do that game to get reported? You can spew all the racial slurs and hate speech all you want in game and you will never be punished if you don't get reported. No report = no IFS = no ban. What else is there to this story.....?
Theres nothing else to it. Those 3 lines of text are the only things I said in chat. We won the game, we all did good, got my favorite champ too. Nobody flamed anyone on our team. Im fairly certain "kys" triggered their system.
Baka Red (EUNE)
: "go shop" is relatively quick way to say it. "Kys" has specific toxic meaning and it is pretty much impossible for the IFS to determine if someone intends it for a non-toxic way. Even that Graves might have found it difficult to determine and might in fact been the one who reported the OP.
Yes I suppose I could say it a bunch of ways that might not trigger the system, but I literally just typed it because it was fast and convenient, since Ive never gotten in trouble for any of the other times I've said it in other ARAM games under the same circumstances. And I dont think Graves reported me considering after I told him, he did die. And that was only death the entire game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PnyzTEHX,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-10-09T13:14:35.272+0000) > > That’s the best thing I’ve seen so far to say in ARAM to tell someone to die to buy lol. Agreed. :D
Will be using this from now on. Good idea
Chermorg (NA)
: ~~For the record, I support removing this suspension if Riot reviews the game and finds that those lines were used only when graves had been in lane for quite some time and needed to go spend gold.~~ And... considering Tantram's post stating that you've had 8 prior penalties... I don't particularly support removing this anymore. I'm not *against* removing it, but I'm neutral.
It had been 9 minutes, had a bunch of gold. And I think that was the only thing said during the entire game on our team. The chatlog I provided was all I said.
: yea. and of late ... seems to be that riot is issuing out alot of punishments ... like they decided well end of season lets clean up all the trash before the new season comes out ( maybe so they dont have to give out as much rewards , idk sometimes i like to play devils advocate to conspiracy theories ) hopefully it gets over turned. but they will try to argue that context dont matter and its still a no no... and sometimes this needs to be this way, a zero tolerance... but not everything is black n white. there is a lil black on this end and a lil white on that end and a whole mess of grey area inbetween
Yeah I get the 0 tolerance thing, but him killing himself was actually a good idea, which is exactly why I told him to do it. kys is just a fast and convenient way to tell him to do it, which I guess triggered the ban.
: Consider next time saying "Die to the tower" or something along those lines. It has the meaning you intend, without opening up a can of worms in "kys"
Yeah I plan on doing that. I literally wrote kys because its fast and gets the point across. I guess intent doesnt matter, only the trigger "kys"
: the phrase is the issue... it automatically determines that has hate speech/bullying and with the automated punishment system it looks for key words/phrases so basically it thinks you are using it to tell grave to go kill himself and not for him to die to turret to go and get items ...
Yeah, I had no idea you could get a ban for just typing it. I obviously wont say it anymore, but its frustrating when your only ban youve ever gotten was because you told someone to suicide so they could buy items :/
Infernape (EUW)
: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Open a support ticket and discuss it with them.
I already did. Im just really worried they wont lift it, and was wondering if anyone has had anything like this happen to them before. :/
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