: Can we please just skip the part where we have broken support items for another 2 years?
I would hate to be limited to just six items because I Q'd up Support. I'd rather see riot go to 4v4 before they limit my build. Most of the fun are finding niche builds that work for how I like to play. Or do you mean that supports are able to build whatever they want, but only supports can buy the '6' items you allude to?
: I had a lot of fun this season
I had a lot of fun too. Ranked for me was just terrible. I went from a solid 52% in prior seasons win rate to an abysmal sub 45%. I was so clueless on how to fix my play I gave up mid season, which is not like me.
EATARI (NA)
: I thought it was better than season 8.
I'd be happy to is S8 was permanent, that's how much I hate S9 lol.
: Goodbye Season 9 and Good Riddance
I too am glad season 9 is over. Perhaps s10 I'll finally get into Gold.
: Now that ranked is officially over it's time to discuss the future of Riot
Placements should be gone. It is the most ridiculous part of the game.
: First of all. No. No I'm not number 3. Second, I didn't say I cared about winning, I said not being able to do anything is what's annoying, you die if you do anything and can't kill anyone, to me that's just a waste of time. What's the point?
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: About players on urf
HalexUwU (NA)
: I'm a very new player, anything I need to know?
Mute all every game and try your best not to let people in your games get to you. I've met a ton of great people who okay this game. And I met as many whose only mission in life is to aggravate people. Realize you can communicate via pings just fine. And, good luck!
: Do you know why it places you lower? To give players some gratification when they play the first half of the season. You aren't good enough to get out of silver, so would you rather beat your head against a wall for the whole year not going up in rank, or would rather have half the year dedicated to climbing a bit before getting hardstuck again.
I see comprehension is not your strength. I'm not sure I could express my point monosyllabically enough so you might grasp it.
: > [{quoted}](name=RacoonHunter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VMs5fYLL,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-10-25T05:46:07.321+0000) > > Maybe riot will suprise us with matchmaking changes.. or even better MMR strats to allow climbing easier In other words, you want Riot to do all the work for you. You want to climb for free without putting in any meaningful effort. This is the crux of all useless match making threads, people being too lazy to learn.
If that reply was directed my way, then you've missed my point all together. Edit: my apologies, I am reading these in order. I see that was directed at Raccoon Hunter.
: I made it to gold by sacrificing poros.. actually, I agree. I've had some really bad games on stream as well as several other more known streamers have threaten to quit the game over how bad ranked is now. To climb, you need to basically be jungle or mid (maybe support) as all the other roles have little to no impact right now in ranked. It's only going to get worse in the next season with the elemental rift changes because comebacks will be even harder and stomps just rule. The double rift herald is one of the stupidest things I've heard (next to eternals) in a while as there's too much impact it has. One herald will take a tower (usually first tower so a 400g profit to an already ahead team) and then the second one can just follow the momma's footsteps or be used on another lane to have even more pressure. The games already too swinging as is, we want the ability to have a comeback.. it's very hard to come back from double herald being used on your towers.. Maybe riot will suprise us with matchmaking changes.. or even better MMR strats to allow climbing easier (after all, if you beat gold 2s as silver 4 you should get more than just 15 lp)
Good post. Yeah, I main support. I need to improve a ton of things but the placements really annoy the piss out of me.
: what is wrong with ranked?
Matchmaking has been and will continue to be poor at best. No one at Riot seems to respond to any posts about it. Even more maddening, is they force you to place every year and most of the time push you 1 spot below where you finish. Every year except the first, I've finished in Silver. Last year S3. Every year I get placed in bronze. Last year, 6-4, placed in B3. And IDGAF about "you will climb out if misplaced". I care that I must waste time climbing out of Bronze only to get into Silver by mid year. (This year I got there faster, but not sure how since my WR Is abysmal). And since I have to climb out of Bronze there is adjustment period once I reach silver because I got to beat up on Bronzies for a few months. This year it was 55 games (I think) from B2 to S4. Imagine if Riot got rid of placements. That means I start in S4 where I've proved I belong every year for 3 seasons, and those 55 games would be toward my climb out of Silver and just maybe I can break into Gold. I have no allusions that I might to make it into Plat or higher, but I've always thought I've had potential to make it to Gold. But every year Riot crushes that hope. I actually thought that despite my placements I'd might still make it but season 9 ranked solo is a disaster. Dear Riot, please, remove placements.
: Just another complaint about matchmaking that I really hope is addressed in the preseason.
It is the most important issue to me, followed by eliminating placements for regular players. I'd be fine if Riot doubled damage and snowball, so long as they recognized how frustrating matchmaking and placements are.
: Do not put execute on the elder buff
I think we should see how it goes, I like the idea though. If it wasn't already obvious how important elder is, it will be now.
: > [{quoted}](name=La Belle Sauvage,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4PZ68tKp,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:09:16.128+0000) > > That shading has been an issue for a while. heck I have a special setting for my monitor just for leagues. > > Speaking of monitors, they can be the cause of the issue, especially TN panels. Idk, I didn't notice this before I posted. Plus nothing else on my PC is like this.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4PZ68tKp,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:10:41.970+0000) > > Idk, I didn't notice this before I posted. Plus nothing else on my PC is like this. It's only L0L, all the rest are the normal.
fr0st2k (NA)
: Devs misunderstanding what this game is
I find this statement "....placement of your pieces. It's not called auto chess..." hilarious and a bit contradictory too. Look if you want to move pieces play actual chess. ;)
: Wtf is this Riot?
That shading has been an issue for a while. heck I have a special setting for my monitor just for leagues. Speaking of monitors, they can be the cause of the issue, especially TN panels.
: new client login is AWFUL
I think the new client is fine. Besides, I'm here to play the game not stare and complain about the client.
: HELP!
Yeah, most likely it was switched to you monitor speakers. Just type sound in the start bar and check. You should see a speaker icon in the task bar. Good luck!
: Anyone Else Dealing Eith This?
Yeah but not the last couple days. Prior to the patch, I was running 110 FPS (typically solid 200) and dips into the 60s. Additionally, my ping is typically 18, and Monday & Tuesday the client reported a steady 108. However, I think that was bunk since my game didn't seem to lag at all., I think it was just reporting wrong.
: HOLY MOLy the new login looks like shit
Meh, I'm fine with the new client logo l, all of it really. People get a bit out of hand when it comes to these type of changes. I log in to play LoL. I don't care what the logo looks like and I don't care what the vehicle is that takes me from point A to point B so that I _Can_ log in and play a game.
Jikker (NA)
: I can definitely see the point you are making and it's always a tough call to make with bickering. What's not being mentioned here is that there were several comments made/removed, not just one so we were seeing a trend. I can say that we do not have a clearly defined list of words (outside of hate speech, racial slurs, etc...) because defining such a thing is very difficult and there are so many things that exist in a gray area. For example, saying "you don't know x because you are bronze" can be seen in two different ways. In one scenario, it is stating that the type of play is different and a person in Bronze may not see a certain strategy because of that whereas in another scenario it's shaming a player for being Bronze. That's why we do use moderation discretion often and confer with each other about gray line areas. I cannot speak for the relationship between Riot and Tyler1 as I am just a volunteer player moderator and we are a complete volunteer team. We do try to moderate based on the Universal Rules that Riot has set forth and the best interpretation we have of them with the goal of making the Boards a community that produces productive discussions. If you ever worry about abuse of power from a Moderator, don't hesitate to reach out to our oversight Heralds on the Discord or Discuss the Boards.
Hi Jikker, First, my apologies. After re-reading my response I see that my wording was accusatory when what I really meant to state is that the potential exists. I personally do not feel that there is a abuse of power from the mods or you. And as to your next point, I agree, it would be complex to develop a list of words and phrases to follow; regarding the "thin line" point you made in your initial response, you're right, there must be some subjectivity since you have to make a call on those borderline exchanges. All of us will benefit if we acknowledge the potential of our word choices can (and often will) lead to a misunderstanding. When that happens we should people the benefit of the doubt. And If it turns out they aren't listening to your point so what? It's rare (as I think the orginal poster was trying to point out) that you'll change anyone's mind based on the fact none of us has any influence with said stranger.
Jikker (NA)
: It is a thin line which is why these were minor reminders rather than warnings or violations. In this context, it was becoming an uncivil discussion so the moderation team decided to nip it in the bud before it became actual violations worthy of warnings or bans.
Hi Jikker! That's my point "Nip it in the bud". It's rather subjective. I say let people bicker so long as they don't cross some line by using x words, which in my humble opinion, should be careful and clearly defined. Anything less that a exact list of don't use 'X' you get subjectivity. Subjectivity, left unchecked, can turn into a sort of abuse of power. i.e. " I don't like what your saying and it's sort of bickering so I'm going to remove it." Additionally, you also remove the opportunity for these strangers to hash something out. Maybe at some point they realize "hey I was being a little unreasonable, let me clarify" * I'm going off the rails here and don't have the particulars of the relationship of Tyler1 & Riot * Riot seems to embrace Tyler1 and all the negativity he seems to represent. If true, it is a million times worse than what was written in the post mentioned here. You know, I can't tell if Tyler1 is an act (like pro Wrestling) but it makes Riot look like hypocrites.
Jikker (NA)
: What you consider insulting does not affect moderation; the only thing that matters is what is considered insulting or uncivil discussion by the Board Universal Rules and our best interpretation of them. The bickering that was happening between you and the other poster was not civil and could be considered mildly insulting. Ultimately we do ask that all discussions remain civil and avoid any needless bickering or insults. Telling people that they are nobodies and don't matter (which you did in your second removal in the same conversation chain) does not bring about positive discussions and only inflames the situation. I'd also like to give a reminder that both of these removals were without warning or mark against your account which means they were considered minor. However, I have edited out a portion of your thread that was needlessly insulting. Please refrain from directly insulting others including Rioters.
Without knowing the context, what he/she wrote isn't terrible. I've read way worse on these boards without a word from anyone. Bickering? That's a thin line on these boards.
: He misses a few key points, one of the reasons ranked is also devalued is how match making is more interested in gettting a game rolling without taking skill levels into account at all levels of play, there are a few other issues like jungle being in a pretty rough spot to the point where people simply don't want to do it because its simply not WORTH the extra effort you have to put in compared to every other player for a rather mediocre reward which can all be negated by one laner that throws away a huge advantage you gave them and since you don't scale well you end up in frustration mode.
I hadn't considered that either, good point. I stopped playing jungle earlier this season because at some point what was working for me stopped and I didn't want to take the time to figure it out. Like I said I put much more value in norms this year, the matchmaking for me is or seems pretty stable.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Riots Duo implementation allows for a premade to represent a massive range of the playerbase. For example G1 and S4 can que but they can have MMR above and Below their assigned Tier and Division so your looking at a Bronze MMR and Plat MMR player being placed in ranked on the same team. Which MM has to compensate for and try to balance out. Roughly covering a Gap of 80% of the entire ladders playerbase. I see no way for this to not exceed the mathematical concept used by Elo called Class intervals. Which inherently means a game is going to be mismatched and strains MM's ability to make a quality game, more so if there is no Duo with a similar skill gap so MM grabs random players with no synergy. See the common rage and tilt on boards about Normals when there is a wide skill gap generated by premade. It takes away from the competitive quality and intent of the que.
Interesting points and well written. I'm a low elo player whose played a lot of norms this year. I have not encountered a wide gap in skill in Norms. Heck I've had a better matchmaking experience in Norms. However, maybe I'll start paying closer attention. But more to your point, Norms allow Duos, heck I've been placed with Teams of 4 and still the MM seems better. I suspect some sort of bias on my part though. I have no proof for the claims I make.
ESeTyRC (NA)
: Can We PLEASE Separate "DUO"s into FLEX.. and get a pure SOLO Queue?
: Agree, I wish a lot of things would change, but I'm not hopeful. I wish there was a fair system that determined that a player was actually ready to play ranked. Especially, when they're an actual new player. Anyway, I suspect if I could just start where I end in the prior season I might have a shot finishing low gold. However, every year, except my first, Riot's evil placements place me in bronze. And so I spend a portion of the season digging out. By the time I make it back into Silver I'm used to playing Bronze players. There isn't enough time for me to acclimate to Silver, so I can make a run at Gold before the season ends. Every season it takes me less games to get back into Silver except for this year.
Funny, I have an anti fan who downvotes. Ah well can't please everyone.
: As an aside, I thought Neace left LOL for fortnite which is why I stopped watching him. Anyways this seemed like a well thought out video.
Yes, he did. And came back a little while ago. I forgot about him until his video popped into my YouTube feed.
: > [{quoted}](name=Speeedy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEiuQymV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-02T17:53:36.402+0000) > > also the beginning of the season had massive LP gains where people got boosted just by playing games. My friend who was silver 3 player last season after 500+ games got to diamond 2 or 3 when it was messed up. He is still currently in plat 1 or 2. Riot screwed up ranked in multiple ways this season then after realizing they made mistakes just threw in the towel and said it will sort itself out. The problem is that it didn't and people are all over the ladder where they should not be. Some people are hard stuck by the bads not being put down properly.
Agree, I wish a lot of things would change, but I'm not hopeful. I wish there was a fair system that determined that a player was actually ready to play ranked. Especially, when they're an actual new player. Anyway, I suspect if I could just start where I end in the prior season I might have a shot finishing low gold. However, every year, except my first, Riot's evil placements place me in bronze. And so I spend a portion of the season digging out. By the time I make it back into Silver I'm used to playing Bronze players. There isn't enough time for me to acclimate to Silver, so I can make a run at Gold before the season ends. Every season it takes me less games to get back into Silver except for this year.
Speeedy (NA)
: also the beginning of the season had massive LP gains where people got boosted just by playing games. My friend who was silver 3 player last season after 500+ games got to diamond 2 or 3 when it was messed up. He is still currently in plat 1 or 2. Riot screwed up ranked in multiple ways this season then after realizing they made mistakes just threw in the towel and said it will sort itself out. The problem is that it didn't and people are all over the ladder where they should not be.
I gave up pretty early. I've played here and there but just decided to practice in norms In hopes of s10.
: I was with him up until he suggested linking my IRL name to my account. FUCK THAT.
Yeah that could be thought out more for sure.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Emperor Talquin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bjui8y3h,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-27T19:07:53.931+0000) > > And then everyones promos are ruined and iron to silver will be infested with noobs. But that's already how iron, silver and promos in general is. Promos should just be fighting people in the next division, not handicapping you on top of that with a deadweight teamate from 1-2 divisions below.
There should be no placements at the beginning of each season (except for the accounts first ranked season). Additionally, I think promos aren't actually needed. Maybe to get into the much higher teirs, but iron to say plat should be promo-less. Just my two cents worth.
: You can put restrictions on ranked like say you cant play ranked for like 3 weeks OR make it so only champions with a mastery level of 5 count towards ranked. This is something you should do anyways. Too many people buy a champ and then first time it in ranked. they also tend to use reworked champs. So while your at it reset mastery levels for champs you rework and refund any and all tokens and blue essence used on the. This is also something that should have been done long ago too. Yes it would take work to get back in ranked so do that at the start of a new season. It fixes a MASSIVE number of problems with ranked right there. It makes new players experience less full trolls and horrible people. It make it so you don't have people like well this is pre 30 so i don't care who then just afk. It also just lets you pick the champs you want instead of getting random stuff you may not care about.
I've suggested something like this but much more restrictive like at least 5 champs in that have at the minimum 50k Mastery points Before ranked Q's are unlocked. Of course that'll never be accepted nor would it cut down on Smurfs or selling accounts. I hate it when a player queues into a ranked game of mine and proceeds to play a champ with little or no Mastery points. Or maybe you're allowed only to play champs with 50k mastery points. It doesn't take that long to get that on a champ, but it's at least it's enough to know the player out some time into the champ.
: I submitted a ticket where a silver flex player was in my plat game. He didnt que up with anyone, he was a loner. To make it worst he was a bronze rank in solo, fed top laner which lost us the game. The response i got to justifying such matchup was that the high ranking within the team is suspose to carry and balance out the lowest elo player.....smh
I hate the response you got. As a silver player I'd hate to have to face a plat in Lane and feel quite bad if I were placed in a game with all Plats.
: It's really simple actually. There's no discussion around it because hardly anyone actually knows how to properly do those things. Everyone _talks_ about strategy and skill expression without knowing what those things actually mean. And since so few knowledgeable people even come to the boards, we never get real discussions.
I've watched so many videos on wave management and grasp the concept but I am unable to implement it consistently. I have a lot of practice ahead of me.
TehNACHO (NA)
: Everybody wants to talk about strategy and skill expression in this game, but
I wish I could upvote this more than once! Excellent point.
: Will League EVER return to slower gameplay?
I think the lack of strategy isn't the issue. The biggest issue is random strangers on a team and no ability to communicate in an effective way. Keep in mind I did not say they can't communicate And despite my comment, I still see small strategic plays in my games, and I'm quite low on the elo pole. I'm not trying to argue against, if the entire community were to agree (fat chance, am I tright?) And riot obliged, I'd be fine with the power reduction. Let's say they do just, reduce the power and fix all the things the players complain about. I'd be willing to bet my paycheck you'd still see posts about dmg creep etc.
Xphineas (NA)
: (This is in the TfT boards, so im assuming hes talking about some TFT form of cs, which I dont think can be calculated?)
Doh! My apologies!
: Creep Score
If you want to see it easier, check op.gg out. You also see your cs per minute. Looking over your game history you seem to giver around 2.5 C's per minute.
: How much do you enjoy playing League of Legends? (Poll inside)
The game is fine, regardless of the meta or any balance issues etc. The biggest bummer regarding LoL are the placement matches and matchmaking. Placements should be a one time deal. Players should begin the next season wherever they finished. If you end in B4 that's where you start. I think matchmaking misses the mark most of the time. They push that it is a team game, and yes it certainly is that, but solo q isn't really about 5 man teams, (yes, hence the name). Perhaps it is time for Riot to eschew the current system for something different. I think it's time they decide a rating system around the performance of the individual player. That would allow good players to advance regardless of win / losses based on some set of criteria for each role. Matchmaking not should be based on two players, so a support main of 4 seasons is never paired with a new adventure ranked player. I acknowledge that from time to time supporting a auto filled adc will happen, but that's not my gripe. For example I'm a low elo support main, who after getting my rear handed to me in ranked to learn the other lanes in norms. This season aside I can't make up for when I'm paired with an ADC who is new or is playing their first ranked season. That happens in part because of placements. But too because something in the rating system doesn't account for bot Lane experience. I'm not here to figure out all the particulars of how such a system would be abused. I'll leave it to the professionals to hammer out the particulars. I'm hear to advocate for something better, because I feel the current system isn't working in the players best interest.
: Honestly, I'm probably never going to play normals or ranked again.
Good grief, c'mon. 1. If course they want to make money, that's what companies do. 2. How are you for certain no one is banned for AFK and toxicity? Where is your proof. (Hint you most likely don't have any) 3. Regarding chat, if you hate it so much mute a every game. Typing isn't needed to communicate your intentions. 4. You're right about not having the ability to do anything about those who "run it down mid", but you do have control of your actions. So, when I encounter those situationsn I try to play my best. And I make sure I report Evey toxic player and then go on with my day.
Zombaco (NA)
: The League client is awful.
Also sorry that happened to you and you lost LP, that sucks.
Zombaco (NA)
: The League client is awful.
I love the new client, and so far I have not encountered any issues.
Jøkèr (NA)
: Get rid of promo games.
And, once a player places in a division, they no longer need to suffer through placement games. Instead the next season they start where they finished. Ended in B4? Start there the next season, so on and so forth. Placements might be the most tilting part of this game for me. 1st season - Placed B1, ended in B4, which was perfect. 2nd season - placed in B5, climbed to S4. (Should have started in B4) 3rd season - placed in B3 climbed to S3 (However, I should imo been placed in S3). Instead I had **yet again** waste my time fighting my way out of Bronze to get back to S3. This Season placed B2 climbed to S4 (barley) and just gave the heck up because this season my win % is 46, where in all prior seasons it was around 52-53%. I'm so tired of being placed in bronze when it's abundantly clear I belong in at least Silver 4. I hate that riot does this to it's playerbase.
Worries (EUW)
: How do i Play more agressive without feeding (risking it all) ?
Kassidin is a great choice, but is a bit rough lvl 1-6, but I'm betting you know that. Consider how long you played Riven and apply that to your current situation. If you're okay with one tricking a mid-laner then just pick a champ that fits your playstyle and stick with it. Before too long you'll gain a good sense of when to go in and when not too.
: I mean nothing will change as long as jungle still sucks and 10% WR players are being matched with 80+% WR players 2 tiers higher then them in a ranked game Riot so far has acknowledged the poor state of jungle (it’s actually #1 autofilled role now) but nothing in regards to the terrible degradation of the matchmaking system.
I loath the matchmaking, I'm a silver player and u can't imagine how bad it may be in the higher ELOs.
sp441 (NA)
: Eh, I'm gonna be real. I've been with this game for about 7 of those 10 years. And right about every year, we had a large section of the playbase crowing about how the game's about to die, how it's in the worst state it's ever been in, how Riot only cares about the LCMoney, and all that sort of stuff. I'm not saying that there isn't a kernel of truth to the above claims, or that it's all hysterical nonsense, but I feel that the Boards have kind of become an echo chamber of negativity where people vastly overblow the problems that the game has.
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