: You ever look up an ARAM player and see an odd amount of games on Ziggs, Sona, Xerath etc.?
"Team comp doesnt matter, what matters is player skill" "eww im playing udyr" *dodge*
: The Gnar and Mallet nerfs were too much, needs help soon
Gnar shouldnt be relying on Mallet in the first place
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: You just reminded me yesterday , I was {{champion:22}} and came to roam mid with my support , I was on 50% Hp , our support and our midlaner also had 50% hp the enemy Akali was 0/3 and 20 %hp and her jungler {{champion:64}} was there with 30%hp , we started the fight 3 vs 2 , I had heal and ult , didn't use them because there is no need , suddenly " you have been slained " " enemy double kill " " enemy triple kill" and now she has 90% ?????????????????????????????
> [{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sWWkEocN,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-12T14:50:29.476+0000) > > You just reminded me yesterday , I was {{champion:22}} and came to roam mid with my support , I was on 50% Hp , our support and our midlaner also had 50% hp > the enemy Akali was 0/3 and 20 %hp and her jungler {{champion:64}} was there with 30%hp , we started the fight 3 vs 2 , I had heal and ult , didn't use them because there is no need , suddenly " you have been slained " " enemy double kill " " enemy triple kill" and now she has 90% > ????????????????????????????? well obviously you did need that heal and ult, because you decided to attack an assassin at low HP
: THE SIEGE TREE UNSTOPPABLE IVERN - Can't Stump The Trunk
Do you get Redemption, or do you just go straight tank after these items?
: I don't play URF.. but.
There's a legitimate problem with normal urf: people are not interested in fun, they're only interested in stomping the enemy, your enjoyment be damned. so better hope you like playing zed/maokai etc. urf doesnt buff all champions equally. but arurf/snowdown urf blow. we need regular urf with bans, id take that over the other two any day
: "New" Top lane along with jungle has been auxiliary support for a long ass time. The only people who don't realize this are bad players who think "ima carry xD" with fighters. If you want to shit out damage go ADC or mid.
> [{quoted}](name=Attticus Finch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1rTeqpmi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-17T03:28:51.145+0000) > > "New" > > Top lane along with jungle has been auxiliary support for a long ass time. The only people who don't realize this are bad players who think "ima carry xD" with fighters. > > If you want to shit out damage go ADC or mid. But there was a time you could legitimately carry top with champs such as Fiora who still pumped out damage
: The real question is who likes playing against Zoe?
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZGGEafkf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-16T10:23:25.857+0000) > > The real question is who likes playing against Zoe? I'd sooner face Zoe than Yasuo or Fizz lol
Werwar (EUW)
: Why Zoe's RNG is actually BAD RNG
> If it was spawns a favorable spell/active than Zoe got a FREE gank escape because of the RNG A "free" gank escape? It's literally her entire W ability. Fizz/Morgana has a constant "free" gank escape with their E. It's not free if you're entire ability revolves around only being able to be activated conditionally
: The Nunu buffs were not even funny.
nunus doing bad? better rework morgana lol
Azadethe (NA)
: Please revert Morgana to old passive, or Buff the heals!
> I'm sorry Riot but you've completely ruined Morgana with the "rework." Most reworks in a nutshell.
Mob Piru (NA)
: veigar seems really op
> [{quoted}](name=Jerzey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r2bPrajx,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-09T15:50:13.581+0000) > > I think he should be looked at with the amount of AP he can get so early in the game. PErhaps even his ult if it still does more damage against people with ap > > Seems like 0 counterplay to this champ once he gets one item his ult hasnt done that in like...1 or 2 years.
: Redemption is semi-global?
> [{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AOqoXAab,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-12-05T06:37:58.553+0000) > > Redemption is semi-global? Xerath ulti is semi global. Redemption is nowhere close
Proxy345 (NA)
: Welp Xbox One X owners won't like this.
im sorry, but what were console people thinking? this game is pretty trash on pc, its in no way ready to be shipped for console lol
: I'm winning bot lane, until their mid Zoe got 2 redemptions in a row.
whats the difference really between a mid laner like veigar coming down and caging you and blasting you guys and a zoe using 2 redemptions?either way you're dead.
Simpumba (NA)
: Maining veigar, can he be viable?
he takes too long to ramp, and gets stomped in lane by fairly meta mid laners like pantheon, talon, zed and kassadin it feels like a cointoss, where you hope your team doesn't feed too much until you get a boatload of AP ASAP
: Just got mastery 7 on Ahri support
time to bust out the ahri adc
: A lot of knives are good, The only ones you have to worry about are those gimmicky Titanium alloy knives that sharpen about as well as a graham cracker. Sharpening knives can work one of two ways: Straightening the edge, And Sharpening the edge, And its best to keep a knife for meat and non acidic foods, And a knife for acidic foods, As the prior will need straightened more while the latter will need sharpened more. Its also worth going to any butcher or chef on their free time to try and learn how to cut things properly, As there's actually a really neat trick to trimming chicken/turkey while minimalizing meat left on the bone. Dont use Serrated knives to cut raw meat, As it'll just tear it to hell and back Also, If you can, Try to use Ceramic on acidic foods, As Ceramic is hard to corrode, And wont need sharpened Also, Be *SUPER* Careful with Ceramic. Super sharp, Really easy to cut yourself with the slightest movement. ~~And also super easy to chip/break~~
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-03T02:23:45.937+0000) > > Also, Be *SUPER* Careful with Ceramic. Super sharp, Really easy to cut yourself with the slightest movement. ~~And also super easy to chip/break~~ That's all I needed to know, thanks Eevee. Food for thought with the acidity, as well.
: It does insane damage late game, absolutely disgusting after 30+ Minutes Even then though, games don't last very long - so you don't get to use it after that much time. {{champion:141}} can actually 1 shot somebody with one of my Muramana builds with this keystone.
> [{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3ZuPr5Bp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-03T02:19:40.453+0000) > > It does insane damage late game, absolutely disgusting after 30+ Minutes > > Even then though, games don't last very long - so you don't get to use it after that much time. > > {{champion:141}} can actually 1 shot somebody with one of my Muramana builds with this keystone. i dont think thats a bad thing, you cant realistically build for 30+ minutes anyway, games barely get that far. All that matters is focusing on the early game, so things like Electrocute just make more sense tbh. Wishing for late game is a coin toss
: > [{quoted}](name=LadyRenly,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T02:04:16.832+0000) > > Looking at that knife makes me a little anxious tbh, because it doesn't look like it'd cut as well as I need it too o.o I've never actually dabbled in ceramic before to be honest, only steel. I am willing to go outside my comfort zone, though. I really appreciate the help, Im' gonna research this one actually, for $20 its not so much of a loss even if it doesnt work out I understand how you feel. It's a little known fact, ceramic can hold a sharper edge longer than conventional steel without being honed. It may not look it, but it's every bit as sharp as a steel knife. If you want to go the steel route, this one is a -little- bit more expensive. It should do the trick https://www.amazon.com/Imarku-Kitchen-Stainless-Ergonomic-Equipment/dp/B01DDBJF12/ref=sr_1_5?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1512266723&sr=1-5&keywords=chef+knife though I do recommend buying a cheap steel and learning how to use it if you want it to stay as sharp as it's ceramic counterpart between sharpenings. Also one last tip, avoid cutting into frozen foods if you can help it. Frozen food can dull a knife pretty well.
> [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-03T02:10:13.597+0000) > > I understand how you feel. It's a little known fact, ceramic can hold a sharper edge longer than conventional steel without being honed. It may not look it, but it's every bit as sharp as a steel knife. If you want to go the steel route, this one is a -little- bit more expensive. It should do the trick https://www.amazon.com/Imarku-Kitchen-Stainless-Ergonomic-Equipment/dp/B01DDBJF12/ref=sr_1_5?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1512266723&sr=1-5&keywords=chef+knife though I do recommend buying a cheap steel and learning how to use it if you want it to stay as sharp as it's ceramic counterpart between sharpenings. Also one last tip, avoid cutting into frozen foods if you can help it. Frozen food can dull a knife pretty well. Wow, I really learned a lot. So you'd recommend having 2 decent knives, so you can grind? I didn't know about the frozen part, but yeah that makes sense. I don't deal in frozen meats however, just ones that are warm and soft tbh, but with some bone. I think this should hold me over plenty. > [{quoted}](name=Vacus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T02:08:35.161+0000) > > A brand new ceramic knife is basically a lightsaber. A..lightsaber? Sold.
Sciela (NA)
: Go to Value Village or Good Will or something, and buy really old knives. My parents have a knife set from their wedding almost 30 years ago, and they're still the best knives in the house, even though we bought a new set a couple years ago. Modern things are just built to go bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Sciela,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:50:49.735+0000) > > Go to Value Village or Good Will or something, and buy really old knives. My parents have a knife set from their wedding almost 30 years ago, and they're still the best knives in the house, even though we bought a new set a couple years ago. > > Modern things are just built to go bad. VV is a great store, but I am not sure I want to find out the hard way if they're good quality or not, I'll take comfort in security and buy something fresh. But that's just my opinion. But I appreciate the input anyway, because I never considered this angle.
: > [{quoted}](name=LadyRenly,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:47:56.979+0000) > > Oh...so that's why my coworkers do it? They're not just fidgeting or pretending to look busy? I sell food for a living and I had no idea, haha! I was confused actually, why my coworkers were dulling their knives...just goes to show ya my ignorance sometimes. > > I don't need a cutting board, the surfaces I cut on won't affect the knives at all, so I am good there. But I do have a wooden one when I do need it Yeah, it's actually proper maintenance of a knife...a steel knife anyways. Also, cutting on anything aside from wood or plastic can potentially dull knives. I highly recommend you don't cut on any other materials if you want your knives to stay sharp. https://www.amazon.com/SHAN-ZU-Ceramic-Zirconium-Ergonomic/dp/B01M67UR6U/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1512265277&sr=8-10&keywords=ceramic+chef+knife is a decent ceramic knife, and it will stay sharp for quite a while. Unlike steel knives, you don't need to hone this one.
> [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:57:29.290+0000) > > Yeah, it's actually proper maintenance of a knife...a steel knife anyways. Also, cutting on anything aside from wood or plastic can potentially dull knives. I highly recommend you don't cut on any other materials if you want your knives to stay sharp. https://www.amazon.com/SHAN-ZU-Ceramic-Zirconium-Ergonomic/dp/B01M67UR6U/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1512265277&sr=8-10&keywords=ceramic+chef+knife is a decent ceramic knife, and it will stay sharp for quite a while. Unlike steel knives, you don't need to hone this one. Looking at that knife makes me a little anxious tbh, because it doesn't look like it'd cut as well as I need it too o.o I've never actually dabbled in ceramic before to be honest, only steel. I am willing to go outside my comfort zone, though. I really appreciate the help, Im' gonna research this one actually, for $20 its not so much of a loss even if it doesnt work out
: > [{quoted}](name=LadyRenly,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:34:35.689+0000) > > Use a steel on a knife? I can't say I am familiar with the concept. $20 is fine, I don't need anything big time, just something to get by recreationally A steel (as far as Im aware that's what they call it) involves drawing a blades knife across a very hard piece of, you guessed it, steel, to basically reshape the edge into...well...an edge. Over time, the edge bends over, deforms, chips, etc. Honing with a steel can prolong the life of a blade, but if you aren't sure you want to do that / can't be bothered to learn how, you're gonna want to go ceramic. Like all knives, they'll need sharpening eventually, but with proper care, they can last a -ridiculously- long time. Also, what material is your cutting board made out of?
> [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:39:10.922+0000) > > A steel (as far as Im aware that's what they call it) involves drawing a blades knife across a very hard piece of, you guessed it, steel, to basically reshape the edge into...well...an edge. Over time, the edge bends over, deforms, chips, etc. Honing with a steel can prolong the life of a blade, but if you aren't sure you want to do that / can't be bothered to learn how, you're gonna want to go ceramic. Like all knives, they'll need sharpening eventually, but with proper care, they can last a -ridiculously- long time. Also, what material is your cutting board made out of? Oh...so that's why my coworkers do it? They're not just fidgeting or pretending to look busy? I sell food for a living and I had no idea, haha! I was confused actually, why my coworkers were dulling their knives...just goes to show ya my ignorance sometimes. I don't need a cutting board, the surfaces I cut on won't affect the knives at all, so I am good there. But I do have a wooden one when I do need it
: Depends how much money you want to spend, and how well you'll take care of them. I have a knife that probably cost something like $20 bucks, but it slices through everything in 1 pass including raw meat and soft vegetables because I'm very careful with how I treat my knives and take care of them...and it's a serious pain to have to resharpen them. Also, do you know how to use a steel on a knife, or is that something you'd like to avoid?
> [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:29:05.175+0000) > > Depends how much money you want to spend, and how well you'll take care of them. I have a knife that probably cost something like $20 bucks, but it slices through everything in 1 pass including raw meat and soft vegetables because I'm very careful with how I treat my knives and take care of them...and it's a serious pain to have to resharpen them. Also, do you know how to use a steel on a knife, or is that something you'd like to avoid? Use a steel on a knife? I can't say I am familiar with the concept. $20 is fine, I don't need anything big time, just something to get by recreationally
: Have you considered sharpening your knives? And I don't mean using a cheapo sharpener; I mean doing it correctly. Go look at your edges - they're not going to be straight at all and likely even are chipped. That's why they don't cut. A good knife will hold the edge for longer, but in time you will need to sharpen it.
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Jf7soAzA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-03T01:29:47.414+0000) > > Have you considered sharpening your knives? > > And I don't mean using a cheapo sharpener; I mean doing it correctly. Go look at your edges - they're not going to be straight at all and likely even are chipped. That's why they don't cut. A good knife will hold the edge for longer, but in time you will need to sharpen it. no, I don't think I have. I've mostly gotten by on my parents knives, and we update only every like, half decade or so. We have a couple butcher knives for giant ass steaks, but I need something waaaaay smaller haha. I never considered this, so I'll look into it actually
Rioter Comments
: Playing Soraka is a lot more work than I thought compared to Sona
Soraka makes the game 4v5, but magnifies your adcs power to keep the power roughly the same, which is a style not many people like. I dunno, its nice to be drunk and play. Sona at least has split second decision making to do
FilDaFunk (EUW)
: ARAM Dark Harvest Nerf
If we're going to get specific ARAM adjusts compared to SR, then there is literally no more excuse we cant nerf the fuck out of warmogs as well( increase the hp requirement, or at least revert it to the old value of 3000) I agree though, I'd like to see this change go through
: Why is riot as harsh as it is on trash talk but not actual trolling
its easier to be caught, i mean you leave a trail for being toxic
: That sounds hilarious. Would like to see that matchup. I can imagine it going well for either of them. Did you win the lane?
> [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fLXPJ8EE,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2017-12-01T20:53:52.791+0000) > > That sounds hilarious. Would like to see that matchup. I can imagine it going well for either of them. Did you win the lane? Yeah, it wasn't too hard to be really aggressive and annoying, but I am surprised it got me to silver. If I had known better Id have just played Taric if I wanted to counterpick Riven(because then the teamcomp wouldn't be as weird)
: Yes! I'm glad the devs came up with her. But her level of gameplay begs the question, "how will older champs keep up?"
> [{quoted}](name=Boxleitner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oPVk9ylp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-30T22:51:36.850+0000) > > Yes! I'm glad the devs came up with her. > > But her level of gameplay begs the question, "how will older champs keep up?" older champions tend to be taller, so they can simply take longer strides
: Memories of your first ranked game?
I would "counter" riven by instalocking Sona top
Sciela (NA)
: So um... remind me how Akali is, IN ANY WAY, fair.
being 100% targeted isnt a bad thing...it means she only really has single target damage
: Kleptomancy is too powerful in some scenarios
maybe its time for klepto to be hard coded to only work on real auto attacks, and not the pseudo aa bullshit.
: I *really* wanted a Glacial Augment Swain build to work, and one of the key components of that was using minion dematerializer to keep from losing too much cs under tower. I haven't gone back and tried it again recently, but in the first couple of days of Runes Reforged, I quickly realized that an Arcane Comet focused build would be much, much better. Part of that was the inability to use minion destabilizer in any way that resembled "effective." And if that isn't the case where it's useful, I'm not sure what the success case is supposed to look like.
> [{quoted}](name=KempyreanPirate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f6mplEym,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-01T16:53:57.261+0000) > > I *really* wanted a Glacial Augment Swain build to work, and one of the key components of that was using minion dematerializer to keep from losing too much cs under tower. > > I haven't gone back and tried it again recently, but in the first couple of days of Runes Reforged, I quickly realized that an Arcane Comet focused build would be much, much better. Part of that was the inability to use minion destabilizer in any way that resembled "effective." And if that isn't the case where it's useful, I'm not sure what the success case is supposed to look like. have you tried Predator? I had never used it on any champion before, but gave it a shot on Swain and I actually dug it. Makes ganking bot so much more tolerable.
: how to play malz
E before you q
: Best Champs For Easy Ranked/MMR
play swain and morgana, swain flexes mid/top and morgana goes mid/support
TehNACHO (NA)
: Feels completely irrelevant and shoehorned in.
> [{quoted}](name=TehNACHO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NFsOFIkZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-01T03:24:03.242+0000) > > Feels completely irrelevant and shoehorned in. i wouldnt mind it being irrelevant and shoehorned in if he didnt already have a wife and kid
: Champion wise we have Katarina, LeBlanc, and Cassiopeia. As characters we had a pretty cool one show up in a Darius story, though she wouldn't make a great champion at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v71uigsH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-30T18:27:23.434+0000) > > Champion wise we have Katarina, LeBlanc, and Cassiopeia. As characters we had a pretty cool one show up in a Darius story, though she wouldn't make a great champion at this point. Why did you have to do this
: Tbh, I want to see every champion described like this. This would be awesome.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7OR8Mgj4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-29T17:40:55.987+0000) > > Tbh, I want to see every champion described like this. This would be awesome. Morgana: Passive gives FREE healing like Nasus Q:It's a Lux Q that can bind two people W:It's a nasus E that hardshoves waves E:It's a Janna E that also has a persisting Gangplank W effect. Very broken. R:AoE Leblanc E. Leblanc has to cast ult and E, whereas Morgana gets extra chains for free.
Shiznyte (NA)
: Remember old Camile?
Yeah...you can't even compare the two lol. Zoe's got nothing on Camille
: Should Riot Nerf Zoe?
I like Zoe, I think she's in an okay spot. I wouldn't mind her E maybe not sticking around so long, if you wanna sleep you should hit people with it
: Post a video, I don't see the game in your match history.
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LFBoePl9,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2017-11-28T10:52:43.392+0000) > > Post a video, I don't see the game in your match history. Smurf, naturally. I honestly don't care enough about this forum to just blatantly make up stories for upvotes.
BenKun (NA)
: Poll: is zoe o.p?
I dont think so. I think it could be argued that her E is a little unfun in how the drowsy>>>sleep mechanic works, and the lack of clarity and frequency of her W RNG kicks in, but other than that, I think shes A-OK. Do I get mad at her? Sure. But her design is basically modeled after her personality:cause havoc She uses her kit to enable her Q, but if you dodge the Q, Zoe is left with nothing.
FooDang (NA)
: This is starting to sound like a L2P issue... Granted, you probably would have lost game anyways but there no reason both Nexus turrets should have gone down @ 11 minutes when they have 2 players top lane. Link game?
> [{quoted}](name=FooDang,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LFBoePl9,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T19:28:09.939+0000) > > This is starting to sound like a L2P issue... bot was 7/1 by 10 minutes. How exactly would you like me to deal with it and l2p? Losing towers so incredibly fast was never this much of an issue
FooDang (NA)
: Either your team went afk or you're lying. Im going to choose the latter. And you were still in lane when the enemy is at your Nexus? Lolz
> [{quoted}](name=FooDang,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LFBoePl9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-27T19:05:36.883+0000) > > Either your team went afk or you're lying. Im going to choose the latter. > And you were still in lane when the enemy is at your Nexus? Lolz I wasn't really in a position to do anything, I was top lane and there were 2 top
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LadyRenly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I30os2qE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-27T18:41:47.903+0000) > > Yeah, sure, Ahri won't do as much damage as the Zoe, but Ahris damage is a lot harder to block; W is guaranteed damage, and her Q is way more forgiving. I don't know why we're comparing a generalist to a pick mage > > I think her damage is completely fine. Tweak the E to be less oppressive, and possibly touch the W too. her Q is not the problem. Ahri's W is weaker base damage than Zoe's W. Zoe's W is also guaranteed damage. Zoe also has lichbane passive, guanrateed damage. Zoe's Q does more damage and can go further than Ahri's Q, and has less cd at max rank. Zoe's E is EVEN MORE forgiving than Ahri's charm and it has double the base damage and true damage as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I30os2qE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T18:43:36.642+0000) > > Ahri's W is weaker base damage than Zoe's W. Zoe's W is also guaranteed damage. > > Zoe also has lichbane passive, guanrateed damage. > > Zoe's Q does more damage and can go further than Ahri's Q, and has less cd at max rank. > > Zoe's E is EVEN MORE forgiving than Ahri's charm and it has double the base damage and true damage as well. Zoes W doesnt do any damage though? Ahri can build Lichbane as well. I don't know why we're really discussing Ahri at all tbh
Rioter Comments
: The Mindset Behind Zoe and Jayce
Yeah, sure, Ahri won't do as much damage as the Zoe, but Ahris damage is a lot harder to block; W is guaranteed damage, and her Q is way more forgiving. I don't know why we're comparing a generalist to a pick mage I think her damage is completely fine. Tweak the E to be less oppressive, and possibly touch the W too. her Q is not the problem.
lQ Lord (NA)
: Zoe Balance Changes
On the whole, I think Zoe is quite balanced. Is her kit healthy? Idk, but she seems balanced to me. But I think she could use some adjustments. Honestly, I think altering how her E works in terms of disabling should be changed, and other than that, tweak her W numbers a little. Other than that, I think she's in a decent spot. I think she just has a perception of being "NEW HIDDEN META OP!?" because of her upfront burst. The thing is, she has one ability that does a gajillion damage. Okay. But she typically uses Q twice, comboed with an E and sometimes R. Yet all the damage is loaded onto the Q. Yet Veigar can half health/full health any 2 enemies in the game in late game by pressing Q once. I think if we look at W and E, Zoe may be in a rough spot, so her damage numbers should remain for now.
Börky (NA)
: Zoe's fun, but this is just unfair...
I dunno, I find she kinda falls off as a solo threat. Late game she has to outplay or make picks
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