: You do realize that false reports mean absolutely nothing right? So them reporting you will mean nothing if you are innocent in that game. Now if you were toxic to that Anivia or, ya know, afked (oops...you already admitted you did that), then yeah...you'll get punished. There is no excuse for AFKing. Everyone's had a troll on their team, everyone's been trolled. But just play it out the best you can.
> [{quoted}](name=My Sea Cow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-11T18:59:46.776+0000) > > You do realize that false reports mean absolutely nothing right? So them reporting you will mean nothing if you are innocent in that game. Now if you were toxic to that Anivia or, ya know, afked (oops...you already admitted you did that), then yeah...you'll get punished. > > There is no excuse for AFKing. Everyone's had a troll on their team, everyone's been trolled. But just play it out the best you can. There are perfectly legit excuses for afking.. WHen you're being hard trolled by a teammate, and the rest of your teammates do nothing about it to either assist you, or get the troll to back off.. completely warrented to give up on the team at that point.. If they aren't going to help their teammate stop being trolled, by at least threatening to counter report their trolling..Why the hell should I give 2 fucks about them? It's quite logical.. No I shouldn't be forced to continue being a victim in a pointless game with people who care nothing about my situation, and only want to troll, or make my time irritating, frustrating and or waste my time. I'm really sorry if that simple logic is too complicated for ya... I remember when this situation was simple.. Some little brat decides to troll, the rest of the team tells him to knock it off or get reported.. Usually resulting in the whole team just afking cuz of it together because it was such a simple logic to not let the troll win and go do something else. Naw, not anymore though.. todays society decided that the trolls auto win, and if you do anything about it besides letting yourselc ontinue being a victim you're in the wrong... what a twisted fucked up world we live in.... and people actually think this is logical thinking..
Shukr4n (EUW)
: No numbers covered by sources and graphic. Just some pointless and anonymous rant, and u call it "proof" One thing u are completely right Waste of time
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=00020000000000000002,timestamp=2018-09-11T20:30:41.778+0000) > > No numbers covered by sources and graphic. > > Just some pointless and anonymous rant, and u call it "proof" > One thing u are completely right > > > Waste of time Honestly the fact the Riot is now putting in "Recruit your Friends!" special assignments, and promoting you with a personal code to invite friends to join League of Legends... They've not done this before,, at least in a long ass time.. Companies who aren't losing tons of players don't need to setup special promotions for this shit.. It's just 1 of MANY MANY red flags..
Shukr4n (EUW)
: i can wait for your data sheet and explanations. go take that and show me.
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T18:06:25.291+0000) > > i can wait for your data sheet and explanations. > > go take that and show me. There are many many red flags, proofs, points, and facts that show, suggest, and are pretty solid evidence that league is "dieing" Now when I say dieing I'm talking about the game greatly falling off in number of players, not dieing off into obscurity with 0 players and a footnote in history. Completely die? probably not, probably will turn into a WoW situation where its still got a reasonable amount of players, but nothing close to what it used to have, or the popularity it used to have, and the numbers slowly dwindling more nad more each year. I'm not out to waste my time convincing someone who's so apparently closed minded and ignorant though. Thats a massive waste of my time, and someone who instantly argues about only stats and numbers isn't someone who you can have an intelligent debate or conversation with, because they can't see past the numbers, and my 30 years of life xperience has shown me those types of people like you have virtually no critical thinking skills, which is important. So again, waste of my time.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-11T17:44:42.868+0000) > You either have to shut off your emotions, or stop playing all together... Or like the rest of us adults... learn to handle our emotions so they do not rule us.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-11T17:46:44.450+0000) > > Or like the rest of us adults... learn to handle our emotions so they do not rule us. I did handle my emotions. I chose not to participate with the anivia. I was very calm the whole time. I was pissed off, agitated, but its because I'm human. I didn't let it control me though. I simply made a mature decision to not participate if that anivia is refusing to let me. I also was very nicet o my other teammates saying sorry for my decision and they understood. Where was I wrong? because I didn't choose to continue trying to play with a troll who was out to make sure to make my time the hardest it could be? That makes no sense.. Now if anyone actually cared, they'd of told Anivia to back off and stop trolling me.. but they didn't. Because in todays generation its ok to troll and be a Jack A to your teammate, and its their fault for deciding to not play... Thats just how fked up our society is these days.. Thanks for proving that point.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: pro tip: writing "lol is dieing" in title gives u a free downvote. u have no data to state that, be serious if u want to be taken serious. anyway > (This game is on my other account) > u dont say?
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-11T17:48:39.069+0000) > > pro tip: writing "lol is dieing" in title gives u a free downvote. u have no data to state that, be serious if u want to be taken serious. > > anyway > > > u dont say? Actually there's quite alot to back it up.. so automatic downvote for being blind and ignorant.
Rioter Comments
: Yeah, though to claim league is dying, while the burden of proof is obviously on you, is no more speculative than "league isn't dying", because riot doesn't release that kind of information anymore. Though it's pretty obvious that player counter is relatively low, at least on the western servers, with just how many people have noticed how small their list of active friends are in the game now.
> [{quoted}](name=deadlychuck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IXsEwiT4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-07T08:15:03.480+0000) > > Yeah, though to claim league is dying, while the burden of proof is obviously on you, is no more speculative than "league isn't dying", because riot doesn't release that kind of information anymore. > > Though it's pretty obvious that player counter is relatively low, at least on the western servers, with just how many people have noticed how small their list of active friends are in the game now. I think there are more than enough "Red flag" situations happening all at once to get a really good probability that leagues numbers are dwindling fast. Like I said league most likely won't ever die. It'll probably be like WoW where the numbers are a fraction of what they used to be, but still workable and sustainable, but WoWs glory days are certainly behind it. From the mass number of friends lists which are barely online, my own included. (I've accumulated 100's of friends on my list several times over. I'll even purge them every year of the oens I don't talk too and re fill it.. yet that list of newly acquired friends within a year is already dwindling fast) To what I've posted above, to how many streamers, and well known players are leaving, to even the professionals distate of the current league meta's are all really good signs.. Hell you even have the announcers during the games talking shit about the meta now and again even though they are supposed to keep a positive face about everything, even they can't help but poke fun at how shit it can be..
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w2ioFpZU,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-07T00:04:11.154+0000) > > It&#x27;s not always about the win rate.. that&#x27;s something both the player base AND riot need to understand... If a champion like Yasuo, and Gnar are just extremely oppressive, and horrible to play against, with almost no counter play, that&#x27;s a shitty experience, and shouldn&#x27;t be allowed in a game. > > Not only that, I rarely see a Gnar not win lane.. all of his losses are due to the other massive issues with the game balance right now.. one of the other lanes of his fed up the ass, and so he auto loses that game.. I know that winrate does not mean everything, but it surely is a good indicator about a champion's strength in Solo Queue. While it is okay for some champions who are hard to play to sit on a <50% winrate, Riot is nerfing a champion who is on a 46% winrate. The second example you mentioned, Yasuo, meanwhile sits on an overall 50.5% winrate with a 54.5% winrate in botlane. Both champions are admittedly oppressive, but not the easiest to play as well. I would be fine with both sitting on a 47% winrate, but Yasuo is not getting nerfed on purpose - the average League player (with Yasuo club tag ofc.) loves seeing him at Worlds. Do you get my point? This is not really fair. I do see get Gnar getting smashed in lane a bunch by the way. These champs have always been popular candidates for doing that job: {{champion:157}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:92}}
> [{quoted}](name=Ray 701,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w2ioFpZU,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-07T17:19:56.935+0000) > > I know that winrate does not mean everything, but it surely is a good indicator about a champion&#x27;s strength in Solo Queue. While it is okay for some champions who are hard to play to sit on a &lt;50% winrate, Riot is nerfing a champion who is on a 46% winrate. > > The second example you mentioned, Yasuo, meanwhile sits on an overall 50.5% winrate with a 54.5% winrate in botlane. Both champions are admittedly oppressive, but not the easiest to play as well. I would be fine with both sitting on a 47% winrate, but Yasuo is not getting nerfed on purpose - the average League player (with Yasuo club tag ofc.) loves seeing him at Worlds. Do you get my point? This is not really fair. > > I do see get Gnar getting smashed in lane a bunch by the way. These champs have always been popular candidates for doing that job: {{champion:157}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:92}} All I meant by win rate isn't everything, is that sometimes even low win/rate or fine win/rate champs need a rework simply because of how unfun, and 1 sided their laning phase is due to their kit.
: Dawngate was one people talked fondly about. Paragon is another one that died when Epic pulled the plug to funnel support into keeping up with Fortnite. Still, Epic uploaded all of their resources to the Unreal Engine's content marketplace for free, so it's possible someone could revive it.
> [{quoted}](name=DrCyanide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IXsEwiT4,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-09-07T00:49:18.669+0000) > > Dawngate was one people talked fondly about. > > Paragon is another one that died when Epic pulled the plug to funnel support into keeping up with Fortnite. Still, Epic uploaded all of their resources to the Unreal Engine&#x27;s content marketplace for free, so it&#x27;s possible someone could revive it. oh I wasn't even counting Paragon. I loved the characters in Paragon, but not much the gameplay. Dawngate is what I was thinking of. Loved that game. Loved the puzzle pieces with slots that let you customize as well, was much more fun and interactive than leagues mastery/rune system, allowed for more cool customizations, and if you got some rare ones really helped you too, without it being overpowered. I was actually really surprised when Dawngate was closed. It had a slow start, but from what I was seeing it was slowly picking up. If Dawngate was still around I'll bet you anything many league players would jump ship to it.
: I can agree 100% with this. There are other ways you can see it dying out too. Take myself for example, a veteran player who has enjoyed and loved this game and played it religiously since before seasons were a thing. Im gone now, i quit a month ago. I do not plan on making a return, maybe in the future if Riot actually pulls their head out of their asses, but im not holding my breath on that. There were people who told me i would be back in a week. Yet it has been a month and i have no desire to return, my life is actually better without this addiction, as games are just usually frustrating, or mildly satisfying at best. If Riot is alienating their long time, loyal players, and cannot attract new players, then it seems pretty clear that this game is going the way of the dodo. And to be honest, what is wrong with that? Seriously. Maybe the death of this game will leave room in the market for a more competent and enjoyable MOBA. God knows im waiting for such a thing.
> [{quoted}](name=Soda Popinski,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IXsEwiT4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-07T00:02:34.805+0000) > > I can agree 100% with this. There are other ways you can see it dying out too. Take myself for example, a veteran player who has enjoyed and loved this game and played it religiously since before seasons were a thing. Im gone now, i quit a month ago. I do not plan on making a return, maybe in the future if Riot actually pulls their head out of their asses, but im not holding my breath on that. > > There were people who told me i would be back in a week. Yet it has been a month and i have no desire to return, my life is actually better without this addiction, as games are just usually frustrating, or mildly satisfying at best. > > If Riot is alienating their long time, loyal players, and cannot attract new players, then it seems pretty clear that this game is going the way of the dodo. And to be honest, what is wrong with that? Seriously. Maybe the death of this game will leave room in the market for a more competent and enjoyable MOBA. God knows im waiting for such a thing. My last 2 enjoyable moba's died out :( I was so sad.. They were actually extremely good too.. I wish I could remember the name of them... Was like 2 years ago...
Rαy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w2ioFpZU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-04T22:49:49.700+0000) > > Sejuani yes > Gnar is a fucking oppressive pick above d2 or d1 > > which means any gnar player with hands is actually overbearing His winrate in Masters etc. is just as bad though, so I don't really understand. I know that his kit is overloaded to a point it can become unfair, but right now, he is definitely pretty weak for Solo Queue. Even TF Blade struggles hard with the little guy.
> [{quoted}](name=Ray 701,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w2ioFpZU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T23:02:01.084+0000) > > His winrate in Masters etc. is just as bad though, so I don&#x27;t really understand. I know that his kit is overloaded to a point it can become unfair, but right now, he is definitely pretty weak for Solo Queue. Even TF Blade struggles hard with the little guy. It's not always about the win rate.. that's something both the player base AND riot need to understand... If a champion like Yasuo, and Gnar are just extremely oppressive, and horrible to play against, with almost no counter play, that's a shitty experience, and shouldn't be allowed in a game. Not only that, I rarely see a Gnar not win lane.. all of his losses are due to the other massive issues with the game balance right now.. one of the other lanes of his fed up the ass, and so he auto loses that game..
Lakega (NA)
: This is a good indication League is dieing..
These were all on Summoners Rift in Draft Pick... If it was Twisted Tree Line I'd understand it, that's been loaded with bots for the past 3 years.. Very early levels of like levels 1-15 even back in the day you'd see a higher than normal number of afkers by new players who weren't going to last longer htan a week in the game anyway... but most of these games were at level 25-27 on Summoners Rift in Draft Pick..
: Being human does not imply you have to insult your teammates. Sorry. Many many human beings don't do those sorts of things.
> [{quoted}](name=Eleshakai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bWeultMN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-06T23:34:55.644+0000) > > Being human does not imply you have to insult your teammates. Sorry. Many many human beings don&#x27;t do those sorts of things. Right, so if I go into your game with the sole purpose and plan to screw with you and make your time miserable. You have no right to tell me off, and tell me to F off? You sir need to understand your rights and priorities. Unless you're a new age cuck who thinks you have to be "nice and understanding" to literally everything. Up to and including the person who's raping you in the ass without your consent...
Rioter Comments
Eedat (NA)
: @Riot You're not going to have anyone to watch Worlds if you have no more players.
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuEp7cc8,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-05T17:15:09.831+0000) > > > > This is on top of the scandals of the past month where you have chosen to promote a sexist environment against your female employees and responded with sexism against your male players. The game has become a toxic cesspool as people become increasingly more and more dissatisfied with the state of the game. Soft inting still goes unpunished. Any toxicity that isnt in chat short of buying 5 tears and actually running it down mid still goes unpunished. Meanwhile someone is risking their account by snapping at inters even though they&amp;#039;ve played hundreds or thousands of games. Your own employees aren&amp;#039;t even held to the same Summoner Code you demand of your players anymore. > > Boy does that hit home... https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bWeultMN-just-when-you-thought-your-experience-in-league-couldnt-get-worse Just got a 14 day ban, not a chat ban, a normal ban.. (never had a chat ban). Because I got pissed off that someone was literally trolling me ingame. He'd go in for a gank 2v1, then abandon me. Or more, I'd go in seeing him right there at the brush, he'd walk forward, then walk away again.. He'd use his ult to fuck with me, and was literally doing everything in the book to troll me in ways that can't be detected. Then he and his 3 friends that game decided to start talking crap, and make up some make believe story and got 3 other people on the enemy team to report me.. For literally doing nothing but getting pissed off he was trolling me so hard. Only times I ever run my mouth is people who legit deserve it, who afk, troll, int, or tilt at 5 minutes and go on a whining spree like they're trying to beat the world record of the biggest baby, and throwing the game. Why do I get so upset? because I care about the time being wasted for me and my teammates. I care about the current game I'm in (I play to play, not to fuck around and screw with people. If I'm not doing my very best, I feel bad for letting my team down, and I expect no less from others). But.... no its me who gets banned, not them.
saltran (EUW)
: Hahahahahha
> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bWeultMN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-03T11:10:38.744+0000) > > Hahahahahha ikr
Rioter Comments
: If you want a Cait themed blessing use her Q, at least that has counterplay by dodging it. I have no idea why they picked her ultimate.
> [{quoted}](name=SweedishGunner,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Inhzwm3u,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-09-01T14:41:06.234+0000) > > If you want a Cait themed blessing use her Q, at least that has counterplay by dodging it. I have no idea why they picked her ultimate. You're wondering why Riot made a completely stupid irrational choice? You're new here right?
: Community asks Riot to buff turrets for years, they dont listen and repeatedly nerf them instead.
> [{quoted}](name=Nausicäa ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RiTzk6ch,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-31T20:30:21.540+0000) > > > > WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BUFFING TURRETS WOULD MAKE THE GAME BETTER? HMMM MAYBE THE 1000s OF PEOPLE TELLING YOU THIS FOR YEARS? > >** Fucking hopeless company.** Agreed
: but.. towers are getting buffs in preseason..
> [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dZkNNZea,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-02T19:18:54.225+0000) > > but.. towers are getting buffs in preseason.. c'mon now.. we all know they'll be buffed with a "compensation" nerf in the same sentence...
Rioter Comments
: Does she? Old Akali had more mobility IF SHE WERE DASHING STRAIGHT TO AN ENEMY. New Akali can use all of her dashes whenever she wants AND her shroud is a MUCH larger range giving her more free mobility. She may have less number of dashes (situationally) but they're ALWAYS available.
> [{quoted}](name=OnlyVelKozOnly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zii6HaFX,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-08-30T21:48:59.954+0000) > > Does she? Old Akali had more mobility IF SHE WERE DASHING STRAIGHT TO AN ENEMY. New Akali can use all of her dashes whenever she wants AND her shroud is a MUCH larger range giving her more free mobility. She may have less number of dashes (situationally) but they&#x27;re ALWAYS available. Highly disagree.. She is far less mobile than before, and makes her have to play much safer. She doesn't have a built in blink, or dashes that reset on kills. Her ult she gets 2 dashes and that's a 90 second cool down or more, which is a huge delay and wait compared to many other champs. Her E is a frisky animal that can be hard to control. She gets 1 dash with it, and if she wants to use it to gap close she has to either hit with it, (which can be dodged), or waste 1 of the dashes by using it backwards, and the dash isn't even that long. The only time she gets a super long dash is if she lands her E, and even then the cd is about average, it isn't super low, or super high cd, but its not something you'll get to use more than once in a fight 9/10 times and is usually used to finish off someone trying to get away, if she can even land it. So that's really what? 3 sometimes 4 dashes 2 of which are on a super long cooldown... yea.. I think you're smokin something..
: I disagree though. Akali feels awful to fight if you get countered by her and awesome to fight if you counter her (I'm a dar main and I like smashing her). Yasuo feels awful to fight against whether or not you counter him, and the better the Yas, the fewer counters he actually has.
> [{quoted}](name=DarukongSr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zii6HaFX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-30T17:57:36.495+0000) > > I disagree though. Akali feels awful to fight if you get countered by her and awesome to fight if you counter her (I&#x27;m a dar main and I like smashing her). Yasuo feels awful to fight against whether or not you counter him, and the better the Yas, the fewer counters he actually has. ^ This. Akali has obvious and powerful counters, and he has some serious large weaknesses. Just because you can't see her doesn't mean you can't damage her. Lux Q, and W and even an ult = dead akali, even if you can't see her. Damn near most mages, and even many assassins, and and ADC's, tanks, etc. all have non point and click damage dealing abilities to deal with her. Yasuo blocks nearly 90% of the skills in the game, can dash around with even more mobility than akali, gets free shields and sustain just by moving, and can outpoke damn near everyone with super low CD, and no energy, or mana to manage. Even his counters can be countered by a semi decent yasuo to a large degree, and late game those counters become obsolete in most cases as he is so easy to farm lane with with his Q and statik Shiv wave clearing with ease.
: As mentioned the problem is that Zed is just far to strong in SoloQ and lower Elo, he's got a pretty high ban rate simply because of what he offers. And though I do believe Zed is strong (In my elo anyway) the falt isin't totally on him its on all assassins, however, a big portion of this problem is just simply damage. Damage right now is out of control for everyone in every class in every lane just everything., every champion can do crazy amounts of damage and 100-0 any other champions. mages, assassins, supports, ADC's, it all comes down to damage. Changing Zed in anyway with a buff of any kind would just mean adding more damage and right now riot cannot afford to do that. And I know its ironic that I say this and they just buffed Yi and Rengar I know, but at some point, they are going to have to address Damage. What league is experiencing right now is called a **Meta Collapse** not a Meta Change or a Meta Shift. Riot's changes to damage have been so frequent, so big that damage is now out of total and utter control and the entire meta, the entire game revolves around which champs and team can beef out the most damage. Its a meta that Riot had hoped t avoid, a Meta where he who throws the first punch wins. This Meta is a meta no MOBA wants to experience, its frustrating, its unfun, no one wants to be a par tf it and it causes the Meta to collapse and turn into a sess pool where only one stat matters. Right now Riot has to repair this collapse and they have to do it fast. The core change they need to make is not to the game but to the balance team, even now they continue to add damage to the game and though it sounds mean they really need to be stopped, someone in that company has to step in and say enough is enough, because if a Meta collapse lasts to long then people stop playing, riot had already admitted player base numbers are down and we are already experiencing it. Once the out of control balance team is removed from the factor THEN riot can sit down and begin to repair the devastation they have caused to the game and the meta. They would have to start with damage, damage reduction across runes first then items, then followed by kits and champions. Once the damage is under control and not drowning out other stats the Meta can start to repair itself, one that happens THEN Riot can look into buffing champions who need it. As of right now, the last thing this game needs is more damage, even to weak unpopular character, we need to fix the meta collapse first before any big buffs should happen again.
> [{quoted}](name=Annie x Zoe Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d8oX4sjv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-30T02:52:01.676+0000) > > As mentioned the problem is that Zed is just far to strong in SoloQ and lower Elo, he&#x27;s got a pretty high ban rate simply because of what he offers. And though I do believe Zed is strong (In my elo anyway) the falt isin&#x27;t totally on him its on all assassins, however, a big portion of this problem is just simply damage. > > Damage right now is out of control for everyone in every class in every lane just everything., every champion can do crazy amounts of damage and 100-0 any other champions. mages, assassins, supports, ADC&#x27;s, it all comes down to damage. Changing Zed in anyway with a buff of any kind would just mean adding more damage and right now riot cannot afford to do that. And I know its ironic that I say this and they just buffed Yi and Rengar I know, but at some point, they are going to have to address Damage. > > What league is experiencing right now is called a **Meta Collapse** not a Meta Change or a Meta Shift. Riot&#x27;s changes to damage have been so frequent, so big that damage is now out of total and utter control and the entire meta, the entire game revolves around which champs and team can beef out the most damage. Its a meta that Riot had hoped t avoid, a Meta where he who throws the first punch wins. This Meta is a meta no MOBA wants to experience, its frustrating, its unfun, no one wants to be a par tf it and it causes the Meta to collapse and turn into a sess pool where only one stat matters. > > Right now Riot has to repair this collapse and they have to do it fast. The core change they need to make is not to the game but to the balance team, even now they continue to add damage to the game and though it sounds mean they really need to be stopped, someone in that company has to step in and say enough is enough, because if a Meta collapse lasts to long then people stop playing, riot had already admitted player base numbers are down and we are already experiencing it. > > Once the out of control balance team is removed from the factor THEN riot can sit down and begin to repair the devastation they have caused to the game and the meta. They would have to start with damage, damage reduction across runes first then items, then followed by kits and champions. Once the damage is under control and not drowning out other stats the Meta can start to repair itself, one that happens THEN Riot can look into buffing champions who need it. > > As of right now, the last thing this game needs is more damage, even to weak unpopular character, we need to fix the meta collapse first before any big buffs should happen again. How the fuck is this not upvoted 99999
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Guzergus,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtmnlBLj,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-08-27T05:53:15.408+0000) > > Except for it doesn&#x27;t work like that, read up on statistics and mathematics. It's called hyperbole for the sake of argument you dumb- An 80% win rate is universally considered better than what is required to be good enough to climb. If you can't climb with a regular 80% win rate in this scenario, it stands to reason there is something wrong with the system. A 20% chance at climbing when you win 80% of your overall games is a broken system. I shouldn't need to try 5+ times to get where I belong when that takes 10 games each try. 50+ games to move ahead 1 division at an 80% win rate is bs. That. Is. The. Point. Got it? Can your widdle bwain wrap itself around this simple concept?
> [{quoted}](name=SangreDeNoche,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtmnlBLj,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T06:19:38.560+0000) > > It&#x27;s called hyperbole for the sake of argument you dumb- > > An 80% win rate is universally considered better than what is required to be good enough to climb. If you can&#x27;t climb with a regular 80% win rate in this scenario, it stands to reason there is something wrong with the system. A 20% chance at climbing when you win 80% of your overall games is a broken system. I shouldn&#x27;t need to try 5+ times to get where I belong when that takes 10 games each try. 50+ games to move ahead 1 division at an 80% win rate is bs. That. Is. The. Point. Got it? Can your widdle bwain wrap itself around this simple concept? This is my problem with the ranked system currently... It takes way the hell too long to get to where you belong. Some people don't have their whole life to grind 4 elo's, or play 200 games to get to where they belong. It shouldn't take that long.
: Can we just revert shen and look at his real pro play problem?
Old shen was definetly better, more viable in many ways. You could build a tanky AP shen, Bruiser Shen, full tank shen. He had many roles, and situations he could fill for a team. THe new shen is just.. trash.. Over all he's good as a champ, but boring as fuck to play as, with nothing special about him.
Rioter Comments
: Those are some horrible experiences and I don't doubt they're 100% real. Definitely grow in the personal play areas. They are obviously key to being good. Also, hope you get better teammates for the carry dimension. There is a lot of truth to OP's topic, but it's not 100% "get carried" nor is it 100% "git gud". It's both. Improve and work with your team. Let yourself be carried. That crap you were explaining is toxic. Even good players have bad games.
> [{quoted}](name=toastMonkey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Euuf2OE,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2018-08-27T19:25:51.674+0000) > > Those are some horrible experiences and I don&#x27;t doubt they&#x27;re 100% real. > Definitely grow in the personal play areas. They are obviously key to being good. > Also, hope you get better teammates for the carry dimension. > There is a lot of truth to OP&#x27;s topic, but it&#x27;s not 100% &quot;get carried&quot; nor is it 100% &quot;git gud&quot;. It&#x27;s both. Improve and work with your team. Let yourself be carried. > That crap you were explaining is toxic. Even good players have bad games. Bronze, Silver, and low Gold even sometimes.. is where you get games like this on a daily basis. They are 100% real.
: God yes. I had a friend who thought he was a great blitz player(he was better at thresh) and he would do things like hook the fed renekton to me as a flashless cait.
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rt7VfWZf,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T15:20:25.745+0000) > > God yes. I had a friend who thought he was a great blitz player(he was better at thresh) and he would do things like hook the fed renekton to me as a flashless cait. Yup pretty much lol. But still less infuriating since after the first time you can kinda plan for it. Easier to deal with than tristana constantly pushing away the dead to rights fed assassin letting them get away everytime..
: I mostly play ARAM, so here are the ones I hate to see in my team (not because they suck, but the players suck most of the time) {{champion:35}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:412}} (if I see him building full AD, I know it's going to be 4v5) {{champion:20}} (same building full AP, but on some rare occasions the player can truly be a god as full AP nunu)
> [{quoted}](name=Beatrice falls,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rt7VfWZf,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-27T15:10:28.708+0000) > > I mostly play ARAM, so here are the ones I hate to see in my team (not because they suck, but the players suck most of the time) > > {{champion:35}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:412}} (if I see him building full AD, I know it&#x27;s going to be 4v5) {{champion:20}} (same building full AP, but on some rare occasions the player can truly be a god as full AP nunu) In Aram Nunu is my hate to see... 100% of the time its full AP Nunu who gets 1 shot non stop, and does literally nothing for us but feeding the enemy team.
: Tristana's ult isn't that hard to use as a finisher. I maybe save an enemy once in ever 100 ults, lol. It has *massive* base damage to make up for the fact it doenst scale for shit(its only scaling is AP; very useful if you're building full AD). The champions I hate to see on my team though are yasuo and blitz. I dread seeing a yasuo player. Either they will be a god and feel obligated to all of the CS because they're "carrying" or they feed their ass off. Blitz is just ass to have on your team for the same reason as Yasuo only worse. If a blitz is bad, hes next to useless. If a yasuo is bad, he can at least split and be a distraction. Blitz is bad though and he only lands hooks on the fed assassin or tank and gets me kills. If hes a good blitz, awesome. Good blitz make laning phase a breeze.
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rt7VfWZf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-27T15:03:51.283+0000) > > Tristana&#x27;s ult isn&#x27;t that hard to use as a finisher. I maybe save an enemy once in ever 100 ults, lol. It has *massive* base damage to make up for the fact it doenst scale for shit(its only scaling is AP; very useful if you&#x27;re building full AD). > > The champions I hate to see on my team though are yasuo and blitz. I dread seeing a yasuo player. Either they will be a god and feel obligated to all of the CS because they&#x27;re &quot;carrying&quot; or they feed their ass off. > > Blitz is just ass to have on your team for the same reason as Yasuo only worse. If a blitz is bad, hes next to useless. If a yasuo is bad, he can at least split and be a distraction. Blitz is bad though and he only lands hooks on the fed assassin or tank and gets me kills. If hes a good blitz, awesome. Good blitz make laning phase a breeze. Tristana's ult should be, but its not.. at least in my elo.. 99% of the time it ends up saving the enemy from certain death. Blitz's also in my elo at least, are horrible to have on my team, as the vast majority of them want to keep hooking the fed assassin or tank as you said, or are utterly useless going 0/9/0 and still think they can hook the tankiest, most fed enemy without consequence..
Kazo Kurosu (EUNE)
: The only thing you actually need to learn to climb
I honestly can't agree with this at all... I've tried this tactic back in the day when I wasn't as good as I am now (Not saying I'm amazing, but I was worse). WHat ends up happening? ***I let them take turret because they can tower dive me, and instead I try to take some jungle camps, the crab, or help another lane*** The Result: I get bitched at for giving up tower, and not trying to defend it, while the jungler bitches at me for taking his jungle, and whatever lane I'm trying to help constantly pings me ???? telling me to gtfo since I'm apparently stealing their exp and gold.... This ends up tilting my low elo teammates... ***I do my best not to die, but in doing so all I've been able to do is soft push side lanes, slowly feed myself cs, and I'm 0/3/0 avoiding fights cuz I literally will be blown up in .02 seconds and do nothing but feed gold* ** The Result: I get bitched at for not helping, refusing to help the team, and everyone reports me for inting, and not working as a teammate... Even though they keep running in face checking bushes blindly and getting cought out in a 2v5, cuz apparently my weak ass will magically be able to win a 3v5... ***I do the opposite (which you kinda contradicted yourself in yoru post btw.. You can't be both a meatshield, AND avoid dieing over getting kills which you claim is the #1 rule in league. I'll try to push the backline away, usually getting blown up but wasting alot of their skills and even eating an ult or two, giving my team a distinct advantage to some degree while their backline adc is pushed away* ** THe Result: My team see's me go in, get blown up despite pushing them away, and despite 2 ults, and their adc being blown, or pushed back, they all pull back and not take the advantage, and bitch I'm inting, and trolling, and get 5 way reported.... I have many other examples, but yea you get the point... This simply doesn't work dude... The only way I've found that works is getting better at csing, and ouplaying my opponent, while learning what NA is horribly shitty at.. Macro play..
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T14:47:48.318+0000) > > Ignorance is bliss. You didn&#x27;t prove anything other than you fail to realize what&#x27;s going on lol... You sound exactly like a flat earther. There is evidence that forced winrate doesnt exist (smurfs, people that actually climb) and you just can't see it. If there was a forced 50% winrate everyone would be silver. Actually reaching a 50% winrate after having a 90% winrate is just the result of reaching your personal peak. For some it's Silver 5 for me it's Plat 3 or 4.
> [{quoted}](name=OilegibtKoile,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T14:52:14.995+0000) > > You sound exactly like a flat earther. There is evidence that forced winrate doesnt exist (smurfs, people that actually climb) and you just can&#x27;t see it. If there was a forced 50% winrate everyone would be silver. Actually reaching a 50% winrate after having a 90% winrate is just the result of reaching your personal peak. For some it&#x27;s Silver 5 for me it&#x27;s Plat 3 or 4. Ignorance is bliss. You didn't prove anything other than you fail to realize what's going on lol... Literally can show proof, proof has been shown, and constant patterns have been shown in the past. I have constant patterns of wins an dlosses with the same type of teams. Patterns are a statistical improbability in something that is supposed to be random, and not something that is a constant, yet this is. Literaly everyone who disagress with the forced 50% w/r is literally saying "yea well I dont believe you cuz I dont see it"... and showing no facts or stats to back it up. The "well then why do high elo players sky rocket through low elo's" isn't even the beginning of a counter argument, because you're ignoring so much of the facts. People who argue with this response are delusional.. There's a point where you will win regardless becuause you're so much better than the other people, that even this system won't stop you from climbing fast with constant wins, but the closer you get to your cieling the more it'll become prevelant. Edit: The "if there was a forced 50% w/r everyone would be silver" I don't know if you're really just that stupid, or trolling... Either way your logical and thinking skills are so insanely sub par I'm done trying to argue with you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-08-27T14:18:46.224+0000) > > They do... But they are often on such a massively higher level of playing the game, and micro/macro knowledge they can overcome the jax going 0/22/0 on their team. > > But looking at their match histories you can see the pattern, and the closer they get to their elo, the more it becomes apparent as they do begin to get those 4-5 win streaks then 2-3 losses due to horrible players feeding up the yazoo in a predictable pattern. > > Just takes someone with half a brain to look at things past the surface. Leave it to intelligent people with critical thinking skills. I always thought critical of myself. I thought reaching Gold V last season was a fluke. I thought I would barely go over Gold V and maybe get Gold IV. But the I reached Plat V and I thought "yea thats it" then I got up to Plat 2 and actually called it a day. I dropped back to plat 4, but I am very well aware that it was my own fault and I could have reached Diamond if I tried harder. I di never get into a forced lose streak. It was either i fucked up or I had the unlucky instance of someone tilting and or DCing (WHICH CAN NOT BE PREDICTED BY MATCHMAKER). So yeah, leave the critical thinking to intellegent people :)
> [{quoted}](name=OilegibtKoile,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T14:45:16.566+0000) > > I always thought critical of myself. I thought reaching Gold V last season was a fluke. I thought I would barely go over Gold V and maybe get Gold IV. But the I reached Plat V and I thought &quot;yea thats it&quot; then I got up to Plat 2 and actually called it a day. I dropped back to plat 4, but I am very well aware that it was my own fault and I could have reached Diamond if I tried harder. I di never get into a forced lose streak. It was either i fucked up or I had the unlucky instance of someone tilting and or DCing (WHICH CAN NOT BE PREDICTED BY MATCHMAKER). So yeah, leave the critical thinking to intellegent people :) Ignorance is bliss. You didn't prove anything other than you fail to realize what's going on lol... Literally can show proof, proof has been shown, and constant patterns have been shown in the past. I have constant patterns of wins an dlosses with the same type of teams. Patterns are a statistical improbability in something that is supposed to be random, and not something that is a constant, yet this is. Literaly everyone who disagress with the forced 50% w/r is literally saying "yea well I dont believe you cuz I dont see it"... and showing no facts or stats to back it up. The "well then why do high elo players sky rocket through low elo's" isn't even the beginning of a counter argument, because you're ignoring so much of the facts. People who argue with this response are delusional.. There's a point where you will win regardless becuause you're so much better than the other people, that even this system won't stop you from climbing fast with constant wins, but the closer you get to your cieling the more it'll become prevelant.
Rioter Comments
: Threads like this are the equivalent to flat earthers. If there was a forced 50% winrate, how come smurfs don't get lose STREAKS after a win streak. They may lose once or when unlucky twice but this won't hold them back to reach their rank. Unlike you guys that just don't try hard enough. Maybe listen to Bob kelso he can teach you a thing about your problems of climbing. https://youtu.be/89xUz9fZBXA?t=14s
> [{quoted}](name=OilegibtKoile,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-08-27T14:11:07.614+0000) > > Threads like this are the equivalent to flat earthers. If there was a forced 50% winrate, how come smurfs don&#x27;t get lose STREAKS after a win streak. They may lose once or when unlucky twice but this won&#x27;t hold them back to reach their rank. Unlike you guys that just don&#x27;t try hard enough. Maybe listen to Bob kelso he can teach you a thing about your problems of climbing. > https://youtu.be/89xUz9fZBXA?t=14s They do... But they are often on such a massively higher level of playing the game, and micro/macro knowledge they can overcome the jax going 0/22/0 on their team. But looking at their match histories you can see the pattern, and the closer they get to their elo, the more it becomes apparent as they do begin to get those 4-5 win streaks then 2-3 losses due to horrible players feeding up the yazoo in a predictable pattern. Just takes someone with half a brain to look at things past the surface. Leave it to intelligent people with critical thinking skills.
Stupafly (NA)
: Just out of curiosity. How long does the win streak have to be for them to "force" a loss onto you? I mean is 3 games a winstreak and the 4 is auto lose? hmmm maybe the more you win the better people you play with/against and the more likely you are to lose. On a side note. The majority of time I see a person blaming their ENTIRE team, that person is in the wrong. There are exceptions though.
> [{quoted}](name=Stupafly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-08-27T12:45:00.141+0000) > > Just out of curiosity. How long does the win streak have to be for them to &quot;force&quot; a loss onto you? > > I mean is 3 games a winstreak and the 4 is auto lose? hmmm maybe the more you win the better people you play with/against and the more likely you are to lose. > > On a side note. The majority of time I see a person blaming their ENTIRE team, that person is in the wrong. There are exceptions though. Generally I find after going on a 4-5 win streak the game will start pairing you with horrendous players who feed 10 kills in 10 minutes, and even if you try to help them, they continue to feed whenever you're not handholding them. It will then pair you with 2-3 teams of that caliber.. I'm climbing out of bronze 2, I'm now almost in Silver III and climbing steadily and quickly, but I see this pattern far more than should be mathematically possible unless the servers were legitimately doing this. Randomization would never create these obvious patterns, of 4-5 wins then 3-4 horrendous teams with players that feel like they are in the wrong elo and feeding heavily in the first 10 minutes. This problem isn't helped by the fact that in Silver V, IV I'm gaining only 15 LP a win, and losing a whomping -25 on a loss. This definetly creates a 50/50 WR if I can't carry the sudden streak of horrible players. I have friends in Gold and Plat who I frequently play with, against other gold/plat level players, and do just fine. I hold my own, make plays, and rarely feed (except on off days). I know a good deal about the game, but I'm barely climbing due this forced match maker and the manipulation of my LP gains and losses as I climb. I am climbing and again steadily, but slowly more and more as I continue to climb and my LP gains become less and less, while my LP losses increase, making every loss even more painful when. Right now I need to get 2 wins for every loss to make up for the lost LP, with this forced Matchmaker also pairing lower elo worse players on my team on purpose after 4 wins, and forcing me into 2 extremely difficult games, that can create a 50% W/R at least in terms of LP gains, making me stagger, and barely climb... It's a disgusting punishing system that has no place in league.
: > [{quoted}](name=Blåbæret,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-08-27T07:20:51.470+0000) > > Ya, they do. Live in denial if you want. No no they don't. There is no substantial evidence to back this up. It isn't even a logical assumption. Riot doesn't and pretty much can't force you to have a 50% winrate by giving you "bad" teamates. What the system does do is that it boosts your mmr much higher if you go on a large winstreak meaning you are playing against better (higher mmr) opponents as well as better (higher mmr ) teamates. The game doesn't try to balance 1 specific persons winrate to 50%, it tries to balance the mmr of that match to be equal on both teams.
> [{quoted}](name=Wimbledofy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EzdOUWtt,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2018-08-27T10:41:57.578+0000) > > No no they don&#x27;t. There is no substantial evidence to back this up. It isn&#x27;t even a logical assumption. Riot doesn&#x27;t and pretty much can&#x27;t force you to have a 50% winrate by giving you &quot;bad&quot; teamates. What the system does do is that it boosts your mmr much higher if you go on a large winstreak meaning you are playing against better (higher mmr) opponents as well as better (higher mmr ) teamates. The game doesn&#x27;t try to balance 1 specific persons winrate to 50%, it tries to balance the mmr of that match to be equal on both teams. Is this not then rigging the game? If its suddenly boosting you to a higher MMR than you're capable because you go on a win streak. Not only is that just as rediculous... Think about that from the OTHER point of view? SUddenly those guys are seeing you in their games, and you're causing them a loss because you're in an MMR you have no business being in... Kinda the same damn thing you're saying is impossible or doesn't happen, yet here you are.. saying it does in the same breath..
Xeronic (EUW)
: Post your opgg/the game. Its literally impossible for Zed to proc electrocute with an E+Auto and he would have needed a lot more autos to proc his passive.
> [{quoted}](name=XBionicX,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u9fZouvs,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-27T06:52:12.648+0000) > > Post your opgg/the game. Its literally impossible for Zed to proc electrocute with an E+Auto and he would have needed a lot more autos to proc his passive. E+ auto + ignite would, and 1 more auto for good measure, easy as fuck to do, free kill.
: My biggest issue with this game is that as an assassin, you can miss every core ability and still do enough damage to one shot someone
> [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u9fZouvs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-26T19:21:59.310+0000) > > My biggest issue with this game is that as an assassin, you can miss every core ability and still do enough damage to one shot someone Akali doesn't fit this bill. She has to actually work around her kit to be viable, and while yes her stealth is annoying to do with. The fact she can still be damaged, and CC'd by a vast majority of the champs in the game even while stealthed makes her manageable. But yes all the other assassins...
Thimes (EUW)
: First of all there is no replay of your game available for me and you know it and believe me you don't want me to watch it. Second while I recognize that I'm not good at the game, I'm still around 10 divisions higher elo then you to begin with, so I'm most probably still better at it then you. So take your advice back to you, that helps sometimes. It's funny though how quick you were to abuse my comment on me being bad at the game. Third and foremost there is no macro play in silver and gold and plat, even is diamond people really, really suck at it. The only thing that matters in your elo are mechanics, if you are good enough you can brainlessly run around map, kill people and easily win games. Forget that LCS talk and all that crap about rotations etc. that has nothing to do with the game you currently play.
> [{quoted}](name=Thimes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-25T04:37:33.189+0000) > > First of all there is no replay of your game available for me and you know it and believe me you don&#x27;t want me to watch it. > Second while I recognize that I&#x27;m not good at the game, I&#x27;m still around 10 divisions higher elo then you to begin with, so I&#x27;m most probably still better at it then you. So take your advice back to you, that helps sometimes. It&#x27;s funny though how quick you were to abuse my comment on me being bad at the game. > Third and foremost there is no macro play in silver and gold and plat, even is diamond people really, really suck at it. The only thing that matters in your elo are mechanics, if you are good enough you can brainlessly run around map, kill people and easily win games. Forget that LCS talk and all that crap about rotations etc. that has nothing to do with the game you currently play. I barely get time to play ranked, therefore barely get time to climb. 2-5 games a week on average is hardly enough to climb.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-24T12:42:39.217+0000) > > Lol boom, totally didn&#x27;t... boy you getting roasted, sit down lol.
> [{quoted}](name=SoullessFlunky,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-25T07:17:12.383+0000) > > boy you getting roasted, sit down lol. Not even close to getting roasted. 9/10 of the comments I agree with, and has nothing to do with my overall point of mundo being an unhealthy champ. I've never said he was completely unkillable, I never said he couldn't be counter built against, just that its alot less than if he was another champ. So how exactly am I getting roasted when I agree with 90% of the posts who ironically actually defend my post when they think they're argueing against it, and 9/10 of the posts are completely missing the point of the post?
Rioter Comments
Galiö (NA)
: Are you a woman? Do you speak for all woman? Are you gaslighting any rebuttle to this 'argument' by claiming 'if they dont admit it'. That's a disgusting comment.
> [{quoted}](name=Galiö,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oj4bUnci,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2018-08-25T01:32:47.700+0000) > > Are you a woman? Do you speak for all woman? Are you gaslighting any rebuttle to this &#x27;argument&#x27; by claiming &#x27;if they dont admit it&#x27;. > > That&#x27;s a disgusting comment. Please don't PC your shit at me. There have been hundreds of studies of the differences between men and woman, and that's where that comes from. They find different things sexually appealing than men. Plain and simple. Also woman in general keep their most private fantasies to themselves far far more often than men. This also is true. It's just how woman are. Nothing wrong with being different. Don't turn this shit around and turn it into a PC debate. I find it disgusting that you find woman and how they are naturally to be disgusting. I am only pointing out facts proven by thousands of woman through studies, and you find them to be disgusting for being them? Now that is a disgusting comment from you.
Thimes (EUW)
: Who the heck did you try to avoid feeding more? No one on enemy team is even remotely fed. Who the heck is suppose to kill, their inting MF, mid and jungle with less when 20k damage in 44 min game or their full tank top? Your team was not even behind in gold for the most of the game and especially at your mentioned 15 min in game where enemies who are 2k gold behind supposedly "had every adantage to win by 15 minutes". If your team goes 1v4 all the time like you claim then why are they 13/2, 7/4 etc? Even, according to you, completely braindead Quinn is 7/7/10, so she managed to get at least one kill in return if she went 1v4. Besides unlike you I do not consider myself good at this game, so don't come to me with that.
> [{quoted}](name=Thimes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-24T19:53:07.127+0000) > > Who the heck did you try to avoid feeding more? No one on enemy team is even remotely fed. Who the heck is suppose to kill, their inting MF, mid and jungle with less when 20k damage in 44 min game or their full tank top? Your team was not even behind in gold for the most of the game and especially at your mentioned 15 min in game where enemies who are 2k gold behind supposedly &quot;had every adantage to win by 15 minutes&quot;. If your team goes 1v4 all the time like you claim then why are they 13/2, 7/4 etc? Even, according to you, completely braindead Quinn is 7/7/10, so she managed to get at least one kill in return if she went 1v4. Besides unlike you I do not consider myself good at this game, so don&#x27;t come to me with that. Tried to avoid feeding at all. I mean are you really this blisfully ignorant of the macro game in league? You're pointing at all the micro game. We should of been able to win the fights being ahead in gold. We should of been able to force a win in 30 minutes or less. but we couldn't Quinn was doing jack all nothing for half of the game, at least nothing useful. While MF was inting, she was inting in a way that at least somewhat helped her team in half the cases by pushing lanes and drastically over extending. They had every advantage to win because our team was ass tier at teamfights we should of been winning, and nobody wanted to fight, not only that usually quinn or another important teammate wouldn't be there, or would refuse to fight. The enemy team aced us, or came damn close so many times they could of taken baron, and the dragon at any time, and with how horrible our teamfighting actually was. --------------------- You said yourself you're not good at this game. It's good you realize that, but you should be smart enough to then be able to read my words and think "Gee he knows what he's talking about".. But I see your ego is too inflated for that. You can go 30-0 by 10 minutes and still lose the game because you don't turn those kills into meaningful advances. Which happens quite often even up in diamond (Not pushing lanes or turning kills into meeaningful objectives). Let alone silver and bronze. The team wouldn't communicate, they wouldn't push lanes, they wouldn't turn their kills into a meaningful push. Just watch the replay and watch how many times Quinn, or any of the teammates farm 1 wave of minions and then back as the second minion wave crashes right in frot of them when they have a full lane open and half the enemy dead.... I don't care if a person is 30-0.... If all they do is back immediately after and not push objectives, or take anything meaningful they got carried by the 0-7-0 who took all the turrets single handedly and the nexus. Thats an extreme case of course, but its to make the point. Kills and damage aren't everything, infact, they can be almost meaningless if the person who gets those kills and putting out that amounto f damage does literally NOTHING with it... Refuses to work with the team, ints several times feeding the enemy mass heaps of gold, and then wastes time walking around the map past 2 open free lanes.. Now you've already said you aren't good at the game, and that is extremely apparent. Please save yourself from further embarrassment.
Galiö (NA)
: All the men in the game are unnaturally buff and women who are 'warriors'woukd develop similarly to how the men would. But men are portrayed for a power fantasy while women are portrayed more sexually. Not just in league but this is very common. Also bodybuilding women dont look like men, they look like women with large muscles and very low body fat. The sexism in this post is a lot and it's sad if you dont see that.
> [{quoted}](name=Galiö,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oj4bUnci,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-08-25T01:27:21.106+0000) > > All the men in the game are unnaturally buff and women who are &#x27;warriors&#x27;woukd develop similarly to how the men would. > But men are portrayed for a power fantasy while women are portrayed more sexually. Not just in league but this is very common. > > Also bodybuilding women dont look like men, they look like women with large muscles and very low body fat. > > The sexism in this post is a lot and it&#x27;s sad if you dont see that. That power trip fantasy with a dominant strong alpha male is a fantasy of most girls, even if they dont admit it. The men for this reason are sexualized, woman just find different things appealing.
Yago (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=d4rkshock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oj4bUnci,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-24T21:22:55.498+0000) > > I&amp;#039;ve been seeing this more often lately. Even hashinshin made a video about it. Let me get something straight. If you are complaining about them being thin, they are thin for the same reason the guys are buff. They are all warriors. Also illaoi is different where she is buff af for a woman. Also women body builders look freaky. If they re timed, fine but actual bodybuilders look like men. Gee I didn&amp;#039;t know east Germany was still doing anabolic steroid and I didn&amp;#039;t know they still existed. Not complaining about ilaoi though. We also ahve chareters like Eve who is a succubus or arhi who is based around charming men to feed on their essence to become human. Then there are some who don&amp;#039;t get allot of food like sivir since she lives in the desert and mf is a sailor and has to ration food for the crew. Sure her tits are oversized for how thin she is but still. Did antia sarkisean turn people in lol into femanazis. Why is this all of the sudden happening when it&amp;#039;s been going on for years without anyone batting an eye at it. The problem isn't that sexualized characters exist. The problem is that characters who are women are far more likely to be sexualized than men--independent of whether it makes sense for that character or in the world those characters live, and the way those characters are sexualized often appeals to only a very specific type of man. For example, there isn't a single black woman in League of Legends, and there are only two black men. That means only about 1.4% of League's champions are black. Whilst the US is obviously not the only country to play League of Legends, it is one of the largest, and Riot Games was founded there. Approximately 13% of the US population is black. We'd expect there to be closer to 17 black champions if we used US demographics. As a living breathing gay man...I promise you that there're almost no men in League of Legends who are sexualized. Buff men are power fantasies for men. They aren't 'eye candy' for women or men who are attracted to men. If I so much as mention the fact that I have a boyfriend, I'm 'shoving my sexuality down others' throats'...meanwhile I get to listen to inane comments about Sona's or Ahri's breasts constantly. Some of us aren't straight white abled cisgendered men. We want to have characters that appeal to us. That's why things are changing. And why they will continue to change.
> [{quoted}](name=Yago,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oj4bUnci,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-24T22:56:40.925+0000) > > The problem isn&#x27;t that sexualized characters exist. > > The problem is that characters who are women are far more likely to be sexualized than men--independent of whether it makes sense for that character or in the world those characters live, and the way those characters are sexualized often appeals to only a very specific type of man. > > For example, there isn&#x27;t a single black woman in League of Legends, and there are only two black men. That means only about 1.4% of League&#x27;s champions are black. Whilst the US is obviously not the only country to play League of Legends, it is one of the largest, and Riot Games was founded there. Approximately 13% of the US population is black. We&#x27;d expect there to be closer to 17 black champions if we used US demographics. > > As a living breathing gay man...I promise you that there&#x27;re almost no men in League of Legends who are sexualized. Buff men are power fantasies for men. They aren&#x27;t &#x27;eye candy&#x27; for women or men who are attracted to men. If I so much as mention the fact that I have a boyfriend, I&#x27;m &#x27;shoving my sexuality down others&#x27; throats&#x27;...meanwhile I get to listen to inane comments about Sona&#x27;s or Ahri&#x27;s breasts constantly. > > Some of us aren&#x27;t straight white abled cisgendered men. We want to have characters that appeal to us. > > That&#x27;s why things are changing. > > And why they will continue to change. This is completely bullshit. Woman find things "Sexy" in different ways men do. Sure they like a good body, but yea.. every man in league (not counting ezreal) has that bodybuilder look. THey all act like a stereotypical alpha male, (Again apart from ezreal who is hitting a cute direction instead of sexy), and they all look like a hollywood actor with perfect facial features lol. How is this not sexualizing males for females? Females find different things attractive than males to varying degree's. Saying the males are not sexualized is a complete farce by a bunch of feminist idiots who have no idea what woman actually like so claim only the females are sexualized, especially since those are the easiest to spot. Meanwhile the woman who do like it, aren't saying shit cuz they like it lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=Thimes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-24T12:19:10.313+0000) > > You have 4th lowest damage on your team followed only by support, even enemy tank did more damage then you. Your mid is 13/2/9 Zed, your ADC is 7/4/14 Jinx and enemies have basically and intentional feeder. How the heck you call it 1v9? LOL boom roasted.
> [{quoted}](name=SoullessFlunky,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-24T12:24:15.181+0000) > > LOL boom roasted. Lol boom, totally didn't...
Thimes (EUW)
: You have 4th lowest damage on your team followed only by support, even enemy tank did more damage then you. Your mid is 13/2/9 Zed, your ADC is 7/4/14 Jinx and enemies have basically and intentional feeder. How the heck you call it 1v9?
> [{quoted}](name=Thimes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kU5ly5s3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-24T12:19:10.313+0000) > > You have 4th lowest damage on your team followed only by support, even enemy tank did more damage then you. Your mid is 13/2/9 Zed, your ADC is 7/4/14 Jinx and enemies have basically and intentional feeder. How the heck you call it 1v9? Because I wasn't going for kills. I was going trying to rally my team and keep lanes pushed, take objectives when or where I could, and tried to play defensively and passively to avoid feeding the enemy team more.. and it worked. Taking into account the enemy team make up and who I was playing you can't expect Diana to do much damage. So yes a 1v9. 1v9 doesn't always mean getting fed and auto winning the game. SOmetimes it means walking a fine line, and playing things as perfectly as you can and take advantage of that 1 sliver of oppertunity and forcing your team to take it too.. Which I did when I rallied them on the baron and even then they almost threw as alistar and I soloed the dragon, and then forced the win. I could of had the most damage easy, I could of had far more kills, and more deaths, but then we'd of lost hands down.. The threat of my split pushing constantly, staying alive, and not going in 1v4 like the rest of my team is what allowed for the win. If you noticed we were outnumbered vastly and out damaged in nearly every fight.. Why would I go in just to up my damage score and lose a game? You're talking a like bronze V idiot who thinks damage is all that matters. Seriously.. anyone considering themselves good at this game would of known that.. If you're going to talk shit and try to troll at least do it when someone didn't pull obvious magic from their ass and force a win like I did..
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