KazKaz (OCE)
: Again why is Lucian immune to any major nerfs?
What do you expect from a company that can't even balance someone who speaks about balance? {{champion:84}}
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SUCC Ghast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=000100000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:47:31.831+0000) > > Well sadly, as a support thats just our fate. I honestly only support when im duo because theres communication. Solo support is worse than top lane lol to be honest thats why i enjoy mage supports. Velkoz, Brand, Zoe, Zyra, Morgana... theyre champions who are capable of functioning on their own and have their own agency rather than being an extension of the marksman like Soraka, Janna, Lulu, Braum, and Thresh are.
> [{quoted}](name=Paroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=0001000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:50:24.221+0000) > > to be honest thats why i enjoy mage supports. Velkoz, Brand, Zoe, Zyra, Morgana... theyre champions who are capable of functioning on their own and have their own agency rather than being an extension of the marksman like Soraka, Janna, Lulu, Braum, and Thresh are. Sometimes I feel like playing Soraka and healing a cannon minion because my ADC gets THAT BRAIN DEAD. Like holy shit. Shields towers, buffing minions, etc. That is something I would love to use on a support. If I can't have complete agency over objectives, at least let me support the objectives. But I quit this game because all the dumb as hell decisions Riot has been making. So, why does my opinion matter? lul Just sad seeing once a good game fall.
: Well sadly, as a support thats just our fate. I honestly only support when im duo because theres communication. Solo support is worse than top lane lol
> [{quoted}](name=SUCC Ghast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=000100000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:47:31.831+0000) > > Well sadly, as a support thats just our fate. I honestly only support when im duo because theres communication. Solo support is worse than top lane lol Agreed. Just explaining the reason. I doubt they can balance it to make it so we can actually have objective agency (Well actually Janna...)... Okay but anyway having supportive capabilities and damage is a bad combo with CC. Jack of all trades master of all is a terrible idea. I think if we had more things to support towers and stuff, people would complain less.
: A lot of players who play support dont like the idea of having to SUPPORT their adc. They instead want the ability to solo lane and honestly thats why they don't support the change.
> [{quoted}](name=SUCC Ghast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=0001000000000002,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:38:57.726+0000) > > A lot of players who play support dont like the idea of having to SUPPORT their adc. They instead want the ability to solo lane and honestly thats why they don't support the change. It's actually more the fact that we have so much dependability on our ADC that when our ADC is brain dead, there is nothing useful we can do.
: I brought up Soraka because she is a pick that should be a support, as where Brand and Lissandra and Velkoz should not be
> [{quoted}](name=SUCC Ghast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:40:01.841+0000) > > I brought up Soraka because she is a pick that should be a support, as where Brand and Lissandra and Velkoz should not be Well we agree on that. Did I miss something then? It seems you said this patch makes her better but I'm reading some of your posts that seem to suggest otherwise as well.
: yes SS should come back, but things like {{item:3147}} where they can see all wards and 1 shot them to get rid of them is an issue. they get gold income easily from the passive and makes it impossible to track champs with this item due to disabling wards or clearing them so easily
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oW2LVHEE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:31:33.111+0000) > > yes SS should come back, but things like {{item:3147}} where they can see all wards and 1 shot them to get rid of them is an issue. they get gold income easily from the passive and makes it impossible to track champs with this item due to disabling wards or clearing them so easily At least it fits the meta of one shot. (lul) Meanwhile, control wards last longer than champions. On a more serious note, I completely agree. Vision needs to come back. If they desperately want to keep it so that everyone dies so fast, we need vision more than ever.
: Just because it's not as played as many of the other game modes doesn't mean it shouldn't get completely snuffed from changes to the more competitive queues. ARAM had support items removed completely and TT rarely has a support, unless it was for the old gold funnelling strategy that dominated that game mode for a while. There ARE multiple things they could have done, none of which being fair to certain champions/roles. You are right. I am level 265. I've played a Hell of a lot of this game and have reached Diamond, playing only Bard, so if these changes were a legitimately big deal, then I'd be agreeing with you, but this is an extremely small nerf to counter an extremely toxic playstyle that was never made popular as Riot was actually able to stop it before it became problematic. You're blowing this up way out of proportion and making it look like support is now an unplayable role when they've done nothing of the sort. If I didn't want to discuss this issue with you, I'd have stopped replying long ago. I just have an issue with people attacking Riot for finally putting a stop to a majorly toxic play style before it became popular.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:20:34.214+0000) > > TL;DR Please don't reply anymore. I don't have time for your nonsense until you want an actual and unbiased discussion.
: It's not a particularly huge nerf to supports. I've played 5/6 games as Bard support with spell thiefs since this change was shipped and honestly I haven't noticed a difference to my gold income at all. There is no real way they can nerf this toxic strategy without it affecting a certain group who've done nothing wrong? Want to nerf Kleptomancy? Sorry GP and Illaoi. Want to nerf the champions that are making use of this strategy like Karma and Zilean? Sorry people that play Karma and Zilean support/mid. How do you propose they implement support items to be 'support only' when blind pick is a thing? Are people no longer allowed to role swap in champion select if someone wants/doesn't want support? Tie the item to only champions who have exhaust/ignite? Well a lot of the people abusing this strategy take those summoners anyway. The item is INTENDED to be support only, that's why they put a stop to these strategies every time they come to fruition.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-13T04:04:59.615+0000) > > How do you propose they implement support items to be 'support only' when blind pick is a thing? People still play that mode? With autofill being bad enough as it is? Either way there are multiple things they can do. I'm just going to leave the fact Aram, TT, and SR had different versions of the same item and stop there because I don't think you want to discuss, just ask questions until I hit a wall (Which won't happen and is wasting my time) You are level 265 for fucking sake. It's bullshit that you are this naive. You just want to push an agenda.
: Except those other two "x only" items are actually dependent on hard coded things. "Support" isn't.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T03:56:43.316+0000) > > Except those other two "x only" items are actually dependent on hard coded things. "Support" isn't. It's almost like it would prevent all these dumb band-aid patches that could be fixed with one solution. I wonder what they should do? Also you are acting as if this new RANKED SYSTEM doesn't do this in a way now, just not with items but with ranks. It's CLEARLY possible to do. God, the things I see you defend is amazing. There is a reason class specific has existed FOR YEARS and it's because IT WORKS.
: I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to argue as it doesn't pertain to the issue at all. Do you not remember the issues people had with Viktor top and how many complaints he had on the boards every day? And how he'd bully melee champions despite also scaling into an absolute monster mid/late game? This is basically the exact same thing, except even worse. Now you invest all of your resources into abusing the short ranged top laner, making it hard for the to get any gold, whilst you gain a relatively good income in comparison through sheer oppression. The change itself isn't even that terrible, I've gotten virtually identical gold from my spell thiefs as I did before the change was implemented and this is from a Bard player who likes to stand their ground when they encounter an enemy 1v1.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T03:37:07.719+0000) > > I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to argue as it doesn't pertain to the issue at all. It has everything to do with it. You are saying top is abusing gold income items, therefore, lets nerf support. Your logic is terrifyingly awful. They have ONE EASY SOLUTION. Make the items support only. It's clear they don't want other roles using it. They already have melee only. They have smite only items. It's extremely ignorant to say they can't do support only. It's not a new concept either. It's existed since the conception of RPGs, so don't tell me they can't do it with coding.
: Asking players who have spent literally years 'adapting' to a strategy that primarily involves champions such as Karma and Zilean who were never intended to go top lane and have homes as both mid lane mages and supports is ridiculously unfair as most top lane champions have no other role in which they can be played. Here is the exact extract from Riot about the situation: "Heads up! We'll be shipping a hotfix tomorrow to address the 0 cs top lane strategy that's emerged in both solo queue and pro play in the past few weeks. We don't take this lightly, as we generally want to support as many unique ways to play League as possible, but the gameplay offered via this strategy asks you to ignore many of the skills learned playing League over the years, provides very little counterplay, and also lends itself to a fairly poor viewing experience at the highest levels of play. We are choosing to act quickly rather than adopt a wait and see approach since the risk to the quality of many games of League is too high should this strategy become optimal/widespread. These aren't the most elegant changes, but we wanted to prioritize expediency rather than wait on finding the perfect change. Thanks everyone" Riot seldom hot fixes things and when they do it is always because something is either overpowered or massively unfair. The fact they're hotfixing it before it gains much traction is a testament to just how anti fun the playstyle is. There's a parallel world out there in which Riot didn't implement this hot fix and the Spellmancy build gains massive traction and we see multiple posts daily begging for Riot to do something about it.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-13T03:16:45.331+0000) > > Something about missing the point. You know, basically what you are saying would be equivalent to this. MMORPG example but gets the point across. Person 1 uses a mage robe with a massive amount of MR (robes always had more MR in RPG's. Fun fact before I continue.) over armor on a tank class Person 2 whines because they use actual tank armor on a tank and see it as unfair **Person 3 suggests making mage robe have less MR even though that will nerf mages and priests** Person 4 suggests making the robes locked to mage and priest _** Game developer sides with person 3. **Instead of not dealing with the problem, how about we deal with the problem directly?**
: As long as they remove the cooldown on spellthief/frostfang for taking minions while NOT near an ally I see no problem with it in the end.
> [{quoted}](name=Reaper Soraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dTK5Lk2z,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-13T03:06:40.637+0000) > > As long as they remove the cooldown on spellthief/frostfang for taking minions while NOT near an ally I see no problem with it in the end. And then we have damage mages dominating support even more. Because clearly that is where they belong. Might as well call support "Psuedo Mid".
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:47:38.620+0000) > > People seem to be forgetting that the alternative is a new, very un interactive and un enjoyable playstyle emerging that people complain about for weeks before Riot decides to do anything about. I've been playing games all day today, as support, and haven't really noticed a drop in the overall amount of gold I'm generating per game and even if it is slightly lower, I'd happily take these changes if it meant stopping such a boring playstyle emerging. "new uninteractive playstyle" That involves interacting 100% of the time. Oh the irony. "boring playstyle" is very subjective. I know people enjoy taking bruisers top then shoving lane with tiamat - but just because someone DARES to go with a more team-based, vision oriented build its 'boring' because theyre constantly harassing you instead of you harassing them? Pot, meet kettle...
> [{quoted}](name=Paroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wLWJVH8U,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:59:29.681+0000) > > "new uninteractive playstyle" > That involves interacting 100% of the time. Oh the irony. > > "boring playstyle" is very subjective. I know people enjoy taking bruisers top then shoving lane with tiamat - but just because someone DARES to go with a more team-based, vision oriented build its 'boring' because theyre constantly harassing you instead of you harassing them? > Pot, meet kettle... If only people knew what to actually target (And learn to play and adapt) instead of taking a dump on other roles. First it was smite and now gold income. What's next? Exhaust? Ignite? We already targeted teleport and wards.
: As a support main on my main, i gotta say this is only a nerf to frostfang. Ancient coin basically already depended on the adc to last hit for the coins, and since there isnt a cooldown, the support can simply farm when adc leaves lane and get gold anyways. Frostfang however, this a nerf. No matter what way you look at it, caster supports got nerfed by this hard. Now if riot removes the cooldown for csing on frostfang, then its a buff for the same reasoning as ancient coin.
> [{quoted}](name=SUCC Ghast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dTK5Lk2z,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:16:20.839+0000) > > Ancient coin basically already depended on the adc to last hit for the coins. Wait what? Minions kill each other too you know. If you are defending tower as Janna with the shield that can actually prevent damage to objectives, you will get gold drops with coin as well. Any support main knows this.
: Why the support item hot fix isn't bad
I like how you brought up Soraka... When her E is a priority skill in laning phase over W and Q but somehow this is 'healthy' for her. Note: Just because her winrate is good doesn't mean she is in a good spot. This isn't how Riot originally created her to be. It's not Rocket science to realize she was meant to poke with Q, heal with W, and have a side of E. Not poke and do massive damage with E and only increasing W to hurt herself less with every heal.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tu0VzhdE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:16:06.107+0000) > > Jungle and Supports. Riot demands the need for another 'supportive and team oriented based' class nerfed next cause Rito. I will still continue to garner enjoyment out of playing Support, so long as I feel like I am able to fully utilize the kit my champion has. The hardcore support players will undoubtedly continue to push through the nerf bat as well... Now if they decide to revert Supports back to walking ward droppers and remove any incentive to spend gold to enhance their abilities then you would see a noticeable drop off. I played during S1 and I absolutely hated playing support when half of my item slots were wards.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tu0VzhdE,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:20:42.922+0000) > > I will still continue to garner enjoyment out of playing Support, so long as I feel like I am able to fully utilize the kit my champion has. The hardcore support players will undoubtedly continue to push through the nerf bat as well... > > Now if they decide to revert Supports back to walking ward droppers and remove any incentive to spend gold to enhance their abilities then you would see a noticeable drop off. I played during S1 and I absolutely hated playing support when half of my item slots were wards. The point of support is to support your team. Riot has done everything to make it everything but that. {{champion:40}} Now has more damage. Less movement speed to catch up with allies and a worser version of a shield including item nerfs. Feels like she has to un-counter herself like Soraka. She used to have a 56% winrate. Now she's lower. Good... IF SHE WORKED THE WAY SHE WAS INTENDED TO BE PLAYED. {{champion:90}} is kinda useless now. Sorry not sorry. He used to be able to block skill shots with his W. He actually had a useful ult and now you need one button to make his only cc completely useless. He can't even do jungle properly and doesn't even really have a lane anymore. Good job rito? {{champion:16}} basically (not entirely) maxes her E first during laning phase cause fuck healing apparently unless it's to un-counter yourself. It's almost as if she was meant to heal and not do damage. But hey she is doing something right. **DOING MORE DAMAGE TO HERSELF. ** {{champion:26}} is barely even seen. {{champion:63}} is considered a support by many because clearly he and {{champion:161}} should be bot-lane and be considered **traditional supports** (lul). **God forbid Jungle and Support provide vision on A HUGE MAP in which a stealthed champion can ONE SHOT YOU. Now that would be a terrible idea.**
: > [{quoted}](name=Heretics,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tu0VzhdE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:08:33.785+0000) > > he is 100% right. > and he was down voted. A downvote-worthy post will continue to be downvoted. This post is not one of them. While I don’t share in the “doom-n-gloom” mindset running rampant I think this could be a potentially large setback for supports going forward. Only time will tell.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tu0VzhdE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T02:10:32.872+0000) > > A downvote-worthy post will continue to be downvoted. This post is not one of them. > > While I don’t share in the “doom-n-gloom” mindset running rampant I think this could be a potentially large setback for supports going forward. Only time will tell. Jungle and Supports. Riot demands the need for another 'supportive and team oriented based' class nerfed next cause Rito. Good thing we have autofill. **That definitely won't piss off people and make them leave with this change. ** Oh wait.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T22:42:27.377+0000) > > The point >>> > > Your head >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > LOL Im done. Sure, you can still "outplay" it with cleanse or qss just like you could with old warwicks ult or old irelias stun or old akali ultimate or old nunus e and so on. But as I said, his point and click fear isn't the only reason he needs a rework. His visuals and him being squishy but having a playstyle that puts him in the center of a teamfight with any real tools to do so and frustrating gameplay with his e is more reasons why riot probably and hopefully will rework him too^^ u might disagree, but looking at the logic used for other reworks, it seems fair fiddelstick should be on that list too
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-12T23:13:51.109+0000) > > Sure, you can still "outplay" it with cleanse or qss just like you could with old warwicks ult or old irelias stun or old akali ultimate or old nunus e and so on. But as I said, his point and click fear isn't the only reason he needs a rework. His visuals and him being squishy but having a playstyle that puts him in the center of a teamfight with any real tools to do so and frustrating gameplay with his e is more reasons why riot probably and hopefully will rework him too^^ u might disagree, but looking at the logic used for other reworks, it seems fair fiddelstick should be on that list too Okay let me try to be unbiased here and explain a little better of why I want him to stay the same despite his kit being so cancerous (Like Yasuo). The combination of mobility and untargetability is more cancerous than having a skill that is actually slower than a Master Yi Q. I'm not sure how to explain this even more. A squishy having a CC skill that can be eliminated on death and all a person has to do is one shot him is ridiculous. Damage is so high and tanks are a fucking joke right now as well. Since we can't have nice things (Thanks rito), we need some way to psuedo tank. That is why Fiddlesticks comes into play. Literally ALMOST NOBODY plays him the way I do. If they did, they would see him more cancerous as I do but wouldn't know what to do at the same time since mobility creep is cancerous as well. His Fear is absolutely r- (Insert non-politically correct term here) but the thing is simple. Warwick fear has a startup time THAT REDUCES DAMAGE. Other characters also have a fear that does SOMETHING ELSE besides fear. Fiddlesticks is literally the only champion in the game that can CC someone under tower to punish people camping. THE ONLY CHAMPION. And the only champion that has a CC skill that does absolutely nothing useful but provide CC. THE ONLY CHAMPION. Hence, I absolutely DETEST the fact the reason you want him reworked only because he ABSOLUTELY SHITS ON singed. In fact, I think Singed needs a stronger rework than Fiddlesticks ever does. But, clearly Riot doesn't think someone who provides less game viewers needs more of a rework than a champion who was low-key broken last season. But hey, **HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?** Here is another fun fact: The target group Rito is going towards isn't working. They are pissing off competitive players. They are pissing off new players. They are pissing off Liberals. They are pissing off Conservatives. They are pissing off old mains and new mains. They are changing shit for the sake of change to the extent that I went back to Tera to actually experience what a traditional support and tank SHOULD FEEL LIKE. That is quite pathetic.
Leetri (EUW)
: And that "one simple solution" would be?
> [{quoted}](name=Leetri,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Q3EnaUI,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-12T17:35:45.339+0000) > > And that "one simple solution" would be? Well there is a bunch, some specifically from older games and from different countries. 1) IP Ban. Yes, Riot actually has to use their tech brain for once. That includes actually observing IP changes from changing your static IP and knowing the difference between someone using Static IP and Dynamic IP. 2) Identification. People WILL try to abuse the system. This is when we say "This is why we can't have nice things". Korea literally has some games ask for your SSN or something similiar so that you are forced to only have one account. Both are solutions. One is only necessary. Easiest is the second one but we all know how well that will go. lul
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T13:01:39.092+0000) > > If you mained singed, you would realize there is a difference between HIS HP AND FIDDLESTICKS HP. > > That and you can't immobilize someone who is basically off the map like Kayn and Fizz but you do you. (Oh by the way, did I forget to mention Kayn AGAIN?) > > I think you are just mad that singed doesn't have a good time against fiddlesticks. I would know because singed players get feared consistently by me as a means of BM. Even though fear doesn't do damage and would technically help you kite if you were speed boosted but hey let's not learn how to abuse a fiddlesticks Q and call him op. > > Regardless, he is getting reworked. Well done. More drones of people leave from EVERY REWORK. But you won't realize until this game doesn't become the top three. Actually if it was only top 50 at some point I doubt you would realize either in your current state of mind. People are looking for better games. It's becoming clear through twitch. Yea, but you forget cassio, she have low hp too (and other champions with hard skillshot cc that can stop mobility). Yea, it's kinda the point of untargetability, you outplay them before or after they go untargetable. I'm not sure what's ur point or why u are so mad? I listed 20-30 other champions too that should get rework. I didn't make a post about fiddelstick. But yes, that fear is a bit of a problem because you can't outplay it. You only need to press ur ability to fear someone. I don't only main singed, I could pick something else if I wanted to counter fiddelstick. Yea he probably gets reworked like a lot of other champions, because they need it. I don't think drones of people are leaving tho, but I don't really care because I don't work for riot. But i prefer the game to evolve and get better then to stay the same since beta. Yea, people get bored if they play a game for too long usually, so people would leave even if they didn't do anything. Probably more people would leave if it just stayed the same, but I just speculate.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T14:11:28.459+0000) > > Yea, but you forget cassio, she have low hp too (and other champions with hard skillshot cc that can stop mobility). > > Yea, it's kinda the point of untargetability, you outplay them before or after they go untargetable. > > I'm not sure what's ur point or why u are so mad? I listed 20-30 other champions too that should get rework. The point >>> Your head >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T14:11:28.459+0000) > But yes, that fear is a bit of a problem because you can't outplay it. LOL Im done.
: ELO ONLY works on premade teams that do not change. THAT is how the ELO system was developed for. What we have in Ranked will NEVER work with SoloQ. It works in LCS because the teams are set and dont change. Go read up on ELO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
> [{quoted}](name=XXXMurderPenguin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Q3EnaUI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-11T06:13:43.331+0000) > > ELO ONLY works on premade teams that do not change. THAT is how the ELO system was developed for. What we have in Ranked will NEVER work with SoloQ. > > It works in LCS because the teams are set and dont change. Go read up on ELO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system He said matchmaking. NOT ANYTHING CONCERNING ELO. **MatchMaking**Rating (MMR) not obvious enough?
: How is matchmaking ever going to "eventually balance out" when people can just make new accounts
It's almost like making Aram accounts, smurfs, toxic players making new accounts, and etc all can be fixed with one simple solution.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T12:44:50.309+0000) > > When is the last time you seen someone walk in Singed W? Tell me cause I've literally never seen it and I'm level 169. Also, tell me how Cass W doesn't become unreliable at some point. I main singed, so it happens pretty often. Good to setup ganks So they can't flash out and stuff like that or in a teamfight when you use it on riven for example. You probably haven't seen it because a lot of people don't play singed very well or at all. But other champions like ww use cc like fear to stop champions to use mobility without it having to be targeted. It just takes a bit more skill to use it, which is good in my opinion.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T12:58:34.793+0000) > > It just takes a bit more skill to use it, which is good in my opinion. If you mained singed, you would realize there is a difference between HIS HP AND FIDDLESTICKS HP. That and you can't immobilize someone who is basically off the map like Kayn and Fizz but you do you. (Oh by the way, did I forget to mention Kayn AGAIN?) I think you are just mad that singed doesn't have a good time against fiddlesticks. I would know because singed players get feared consistently by me as a means of BM. Even though fear doesn't do damage and would technically help you kite if you were speed boosted but hey let's not learn how to abuse a fiddlesticks Q and call him op. Regardless, he is getting reworked. Well done. More drones of people leave from EVERY REWORK. But you won't realize until this game doesn't become the top three. Actually if it was only top 50 at some point I doubt you would realize either in your current state of mind. People are looking for better games. It's becoming clear through twitch.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T03:56:30.754+0000) > > No you can't. If someone is teleporting all over the map, you expect to hit a 'skillshot'? Are you kidding? They have a octogon of positions they can use their mobility to position themselves to. You expect to hit a gamble skillshot? > > {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:24}} > > These champions get punished for trying to abuse their kits by his fear. Some with that mobility I was talking about. You want no counter-play to them? Fine. Expect less people. Untargetability should be punishable. That is why Kayn is so fun to PUNISH. > > Fiddlesticks is squishy. Of course he wants an INSTANT CAST CC. He doesn't build tanky last time I checked unless you go PURE CC in which you do NO DAMAGE. He dies as fast as he does damage. He isn't broken like you think he is. Okay, so why isn't cassios and singed grounding effects that's literally made to counter mobility not targeted then? You make no sense here. Ye they have an octogon of positions they can use their mobility on, but so does a skillshot. It's 50/50 from both sides as it should be and that's fair. CC counters mobility so you just need to learn to hit skillshots that's all. Untargetability shouldn't be punishable, it should be outplayable. And there you just explained why fiddelstick is in need of a rework. Not because he is broken, but because his kit is unhealthy and not very balanced and his visuals are lacking
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T12:19:04.579+0000) > > Okay, so why isn't cassios and singed grounding effects that's literally made to counter mobility not targeted then? When is the last time you seen someone walk in Singed W? Tell me cause I've literally never seen it and I'm level 169. Also, tell me how Cass W doesn't become unreliable at some point.
: > [{quoted}](name=Floofboi Ralsei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RqshWVQl,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T17:10:36.336+0000) > > Know what feature they also said would be abused? Voice chat. > > Know what we have? Voice chat. > > Know what we still don't have? A god damn pause button when someone DC's from the load screen and reconnects after 2 minutes of restarting the garbage game client and they've already lost their lane. VC would only be abused for randos, not premades, there is a huge difference
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RqshWVQl,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T18:14:42.940+0000) > > VC would only be abused for randos, not premades, there is a huge difference They acted like it was also for pre-mades too for the longest time. Don't act like they didn't. Also, people post Discord in league pre-game quite frequently now. You can EVEN MUTE YOUR PREMADE TEAM and yourself. Now people don't need to ask riot for the ability to disable their typing rage anymore because they can disable their own voice. :O (Almost like Riot has been acting that was a band-aide for forever now for their laziness to deal with actual toxicity but I digress)
: This is a good meme.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Kunoichi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=L5UZtfGc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-08T05:59:54.446+0000) > > This is a good meme. Riot is a meme.
: "Change is inherently good, therefore you's wrong." - Rito Game
> [{quoted}](name=Glaricion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEOHlyRd,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-10T00:52:16.547+0000) > > "Change is inherently good, therefore you's wrong." - Rito Game As balance dictates: Said the champion made by Rito that hasn't ever been successfully balanced. {{champion:84}}
kurufal (NA)
: In Season 10 JG camps are going to farm you.
> [{quoted}](name=kurufal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEOHlyRd,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-09T17:32:22.518+0000) > > In Season 10 JG camps are going to farm you. Season 10, jungle camps do true damage and attack 2x faster and do 1.5x more damage.
: Yes, it is black and white. I don't see what's so complicated about it. You seem to somehow think Nasus is completely overpowered despite the fact his pick rate in pro play is still 0 I believe, meaning clearly there is something fundamentally wrong with his kit. The thing that has always been fundamentally wrong with his kit. 1. No matter what Sheen item he decides to build, he will not have the same survivability as a Sejuani who has built nothing but tank stats, as a significant portion of IBG's power budget is invested in the Sheen effect and the AoE slow it provides and this argument extends to the rest of him. He simply is not tanky enough to live through an assault from the enemy adc/mid laner. Sure, in some scenarios, he might be lucky enough to be against full lethality MF and a relatively low damage mid laner, but in most cases there will be enough damage on the enemy team to kill him before he is able to get into the back line. 2. Nasus has no mobility options in his kit and for a champion who's completely reliant on being in melee range, that is a catastrophic weakness to have, especially when considering the number of slows/stuns/roots most supports offer. How is he meant to close the gap with Thresh Q/W/R? Or Bard perma slowing him with meeps/Q/R. Or how about Brand with Rylais? Almost every champion in the game has some kind of CC option or at least 1 mobility spell in their kit. How do you suppose Nasus can reliably get into the back line of the enemy team? It is 100% a black and white issue. No matter how much the buff his damage, he will still have these primary issues in his kit that prevents him from becoming a top tier issue. Sure, in low elo he's a problem because people don't know how to properly fight against him, but claiming he is a broken champion or even particularly problematic is a completely ridiculous statement and judging from the stance you have on the issue, I'm guessing you're part of that low elo group.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T04:50:36.058+0000) > >Blitzcrank is op if you walk into every one of his hooks. Wrong. If I am WW and prepare my fear, I want you to hook me, especially if I am building tanky and you are pulling me into your entire team just for your entire team to be feared. Not that this outlier means you are completely and utterly wrong and don't have a point whatsoever, but it's definitely abusable to have someone hook you to actually make you do your job when you have no initiation except your ult. Your team WILL rage at you if you hook a WW preparing his fear. (See how this wasn't black and white?) I'm not responding to your other reply that is directly towards me because you left that convo and just want to be right. There is nothing to gain nor learn from such a state.
: {{champion:113}} Meanwhile I'm over here not hardly having any problems XP
> [{quoted}](name=WhyEvenBotherFR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MwplWQAT,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-12T04:06:47.468+0000) > > {{champion:113}} Meanwhile I'm over here not hardly having any problems XP She's not even a tank anymore because Riot wants her to be a bruiser and had her defensive stats nerfed for the sake of getting more damage. Basically you pulled out this example unless I missed something: {{champion:254}} Meanwhile I'm over here not hardly having any problems XP
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T03:51:23.877+0000) > > The point of a point and click fear is to counter mobility. That is one less way to counter the cesspool of mobility champions now. But you can counter mobility with a skillshot fear too? Both Cassiopeia and Singed have to use a skillshot to ground there opponents so it seems fair and reasonable that fiddlestick should have a skillshot like that too.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T03:53:33.418+0000) > > But you can counter mobility with a skillshot fear too? Both Cassiopeia and Singed have to use a skillshot to ground there opponents so it seems fair and reasonable that fiddlestick should have a skillshot like that too. No you can't. If someone is teleporting all over the map, you expect to hit a 'skillshot'? Are you kidding? They have a octogon of positions they can use their mobility to position themselves to. You expect to hit a gamble skillshot? {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:24}} These champions get punished for trying to abuse their kits by his fear. Some with that mobility I was talking about. You want no counter-play to them? Fine. Expect less people. Untargetability should be punishable. That is why Kayn is so fun to PUNISH. Fiddlesticks is squishy. Of course he wants an INSTANT CAST CC. He doesn't build tanky last time I checked unless you go PURE CC in which you do NO DAMAGE. He dies as fast as he does damage. He isn't broken like you think he is.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lakrosin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-12T03:13:11.271+0000) > > I'm honestly done seeing change for the sake of change. > > {{champion:9}} fear can be cleansed. If he dies, the fear is automatically gone as well. It's the only hard CC that works like that. He's not terrible either. Just because you can't play with and against him doesn't mean he is bad. But hey, we should make sure more people leave the game because people keep touching shit they shouldn't. > > Actually, you have his skills reversed too. HE IS BASED AROUND FEAR. You want to eliminate fear for draining? Have you read his lore and heard his taunts? > > They are already reworking him, so it doesn't matter. Cause Riot hasn't made a smart decision in months now. Idk, but I still think fiddel is one of the most in need of an update. They changed the fear on ww and it's not targeted and I think that's a better design. There is not really any skill expression for fiddelstick to use his fear on an assassin for example when he dives in. He could keep his fear but make it more like warwicks then. I wouldn't think a lot of people would leave if they rework fiddelstick. He don't have that many mains I think? But if they do a nunu kind of rework he could still stay true to his identity and kit.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hfl36PfQ,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-12T03:42:26.752+0000) > > Idk, but I still think fiddel is one of the most in need of an update. They changed the fear on ww and it's not targeted and I think that's a better design. There is not really any skill expression for fiddelstick to use his fear on an assassin for example when he dives in. He could keep his fear but make it more like warwicks then. I wouldn't think a lot of people would leave if they rework fiddelstick. He don't have that many mains I think? But if they do a nunu kind of rework he could still stay true to his identity and kit. The point of a point and click fear is to counter mobility. (Which wasn't it's original intention) That is one less way to counter the cesspool of mobility champions now. Every single main I have has been reworked to something completely different. Sejuani went from a tank to a bruiser because they kept fucking up on making her a tank. Soraka went from a healer to a Pseudo healer that maxes W only to counter the damage she does to herself (AFTER ALMOST MAXING E FIRST AND HAVING 3 POINTS IN E AT LEVEL 4 or 5). Now I'm awaiting the dumb decision by riot to make fiddlesticks into something not terrifying nor fear based because that is how they been working. I had an entire list of why I hate this cancerous game. This is part of the reason and people defending this garbage change for the sake of change makes me hate it even more.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: Personal tierlist of upcoming VGUs
I'm honestly done seeing change for the sake of change. {{champion:9}} fear can be cleansed. If he dies, the fear is automatically gone as well. It's the only hard CC that works like that. He's not terrible either. Just because you can't play with and against him doesn't mean he is bad. But hey, we should make sure more people leave the game because people keep touching shit they shouldn't. Actually, you have his skills reversed too. HE IS BASED AROUND FEAR. You want to eliminate fear for draining? Have you read his lore and heard his taunts? They are already reworking him, so it doesn't matter. Cause Riot hasn't made a smart decision in months now.
: Then what you do afterwards is fix those junglers that have individual problems, rather than allowing the class as a whole to have the same potential level of power.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Ar7HW3H,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-02-12T02:55:39.913+0000) > > Then what you do afterwards is fix those junglers that have individual problems, rather than allowing the class as a whole to have the same potential level of power. Many of the junglers already had an issue even before this. Do you even play this game? All this did was make more _**UNNECESSARY**_ work for Riot. Maybe they should focus on things that need work instead breaking things or shattering already broken glass because clearly it wasn't broken enough to begin with. It's almost like Riot is trying to create problems and say "Hey we found a problem (that we **definitely not** created.) that needs addressing. Congratulate us on being productive."
: > into lanes too maintain pace with everyone else Kinda the points of these changes was to make it so that Junglers **aren't** on pace with other solo laners. Due to the amount of influence junglers have, as well as the still largely PvE gameplay, Riot doesn't want them equivalent in level with mid or top, but rather closer to bot lane XP.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Ar7HW3H,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-12T02:42:26.352+0000) > > Kinda the points of these changes was to make it so that Junglers **aren't** on pace with other solo laners. Due to the amount of influence junglers have, as well as the still largely PvE gameplay, Riot doesn't want them equivalent in level with mid or top, but rather closer to bot lane XP. What influence? More than half of the jungler roster doesn't have any influence, can't catch up for six minutes straight if counter jungled, and etc. I thought this game was about getting the enemy Nexus, not making jungle want to be confused about whether or not to push into the enemy nexus because of the potential penalties of doing so.
: and you honestly think Iceborn Gauntlet is enough of a tank item for Nasus to sit on the front line and face tank damage from a mid laner/adc? All the reasons being listed right now are legitimate reasons and why Nasus doesn't get picked at all in high level/pro play.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T02:33:23.570+0000) > > and you honestly think Iceborn Gauntlet is enough of a tank item for Nasus to sit on the front line and face tank damage from a mid laner/adc? > > All the reasons being listed right now are legitimate reasons and why Nasus doesn't get picked at all in high level/pro play. Did you even read what I said? It's not about being black and white. If you can't see the full picture of the complexity of the interconnected issues he has right now, you probably shouldn't respond to me. I already simplified it. I don't need to repeat myself. If you didn't understand it before, you wont if I simplify it more. Also you brought up sheen saying he doesn't build tanky. I showed you an item sheen builds into with some tankiness. Then you said tanks are useless, trying to bury your head in the sand to the counter-argument. Are you here for actual questions, discussions, or just for your pride?
: > [{quoted}](name=Dope Solo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E7WghAde,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-10T03:04:26.973+0000) > > They can't even get their boards to work, never mind making the game playable. That's what I like about Riot, they are consistency. Beta(?) - S4 unreliable servers, game unplayable S5 - Today unreliable game quality, game unplayable
> [{quoted}](name=Glaricion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E7WghAde,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-11T00:33:44.218+0000) > > That's what I like about Riot, they are consistency. > Beta(?) - S4 unreliable servers, game unplayable > S5 - Today unreliable game quality, game unplayable I can't. Haha. But at least they balanced the game... At being unbalanced.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yljOE4EV,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-11T23:58:32.153+0000) > > is that what people with common sense are called these days? Referring to me? Yes!
> [{quoted}](name=FCJAAAAGOOOO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yljOE4EV,comment-id=000300000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-12T02:05:45.594+0000) > > Referring to me? Yes! Man no wonder reason is gone these days in the media.
: You trying in normals ≠ everyone trying in normals... Trust me that like it or not, normals are A LOT less competitive. And lmao, normals have even more garbage mmr than ranked. At least in ranked usually the team mmr's usually average out. Do you know how many norms I've seen hardstomped because normal game mmr doesn't care about making even teams when a plat+ player queues with their silver friends? xD
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yocG8Wo7,comment-id=000300010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-12T02:05:03.548+0000) > > You trying in normals ≠ everyone trying in normals... > Trust me that like it or not, normals are A LOT less competitive. > > And lmao, normals have even more garbage mmr than ranked. > At least in ranked usually the team mmr's usually average out. > Do you know how many norms I've seen hardstomped because normal game mmr doesn't care about making even teams when a plat+ player queues with their silver friends? xD You said people don't try in normals. I proved otherwise. I don't know why you are defending a loss here. > [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yocG8Wo7,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-02-11T06:35:11.752+0000) > > players are still competitive in norms where ranks mean nothing. The point here is people will transfer their seriousness to norms. It isn't complicated to understand.
: And you don't see the amount of damage in the game right now? 65 armor is never going to make him as tanky as one of the other more defensively oriented armor items.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T02:05:13.978+0000) > > And you don't see the amount of damage in the game right now? 65 armor is never going to make him as tanky as one of the other more defensively oriented armor items. You just said he needed Sheen. Guess what Sheen builds into? And AGAIN, once tanking actually becomes viable, it will become more obvious to those with slow observational skills on why he is an issue right now. That is because he will die slower. You can't eat your cake and have it whole. In team fights he is a walking target and people WILL focus him for the reasons I stated above. That armor gives seconds for the team to punish the enemy for focusing him. If your team isn't brain dead, they will abuse that factor.
: Nasus isn't going to be as tanky as genuine tanky champions, as he generally builds, at the very least, a sheen item.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T01:59:55.689+0000) > > Nasus isn't going to be as tanky as genuine tanky champions, as he generally builds, at the very least, a sheen item. {{item:3025}} I highly doubt he needs Trinity anymore with that Q buff. The only he needs is the attack speed which he can get elsewhere. Saying 65 (95 with Ornn) armor isn't tanky is an understatement. Once they actually make tanking viable again, he's going to be MORE OBVIOUS nightmare. You need fast observation skills to notice why he is an issue right now.
Moody P (NA)
: It's unfair that you have to focus a melee carry or else he'll be a melee carry? You don't even need to kill him. Just keep him off your MVPs. Stun him and then move the fight. Counters his E too. The longer you keep him away the more damage he loses out on.
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T01:45:54.066+0000) > > It's unfair that you have to focus a melee carry or else he'll be a melee carry? > > You don't even need to kill him. Just keep him off your MVPs. Stun him and then move the fight. Counters his E too. The longer you keep him away the more damage he loses out on. Uh no. Taking what I said in a different way isn't how you win arguments dude. The problem is if he survives the teamfight, he will split push if he isn't dead. If you try to kill him however, he will be so tanky that you are going to die from actual carries. The amount of seconds it takes to kill him is enough for people to one shot your team (if he isn't one shotting you instead) a punishment for focusing him. It's a lose-lose situation right now. They buffed the wrong part of him. You have all these tenacity stats, runes, and items that dispel cc. I highly doubt ONE nasus player won't use at least ONE of these. A good Nasus won't chase. They will just attack the closest target to maximize his potential. That is excluding his AoE.
Moody P (NA)
: are you here for advice or are you here to whine when people give you advice?
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T01:37:06.802+0000) > > are you here for advice or are you here to whine when people give you advice? He's not wrong though. It's pretty dumb to focus Nasus but you are forced to considering his current state. Kind of why people have an issue with him now.
: It is not the same AT ALL. Normal games are soooooooooooo much more laid back. and even in norms you have an MMR to prevent you from getting your ass handed to you by diamond+ skill players. Without that games would be even more unbalanced and chaotic than they already are. (I assume you are around Silver or below because of your previous statement) >cause they think they are superior with their gold ranks and that silver and bronze players are absolute trash while plat players should be worshiped. Platinum players are not worshiped, btw. Platinum is widely considered to still be garbage tier.
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yocG8Wo7,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-11T06:42:24.983+0000) > > It is not the same AT ALL. > Normal games are soooooooooooo much more laid back. I tried even in normals. I didn't give a shit for ranked because of how garbage MMR is.
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: Like tanking, powerful AoE armor debuff and CC?
> [{quoted}](name=GripaAviara,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RVNdPNsa,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-12T01:30:26.888+0000) > > Like tanking, powerful AoE armor debuff and CC? I was going to bring this up. People severely underestimate his debuffing capabilities. Just exacerbates the damage meta. Adding an {{item:3025}} makes it even worse.
: The fact that you didn't understand the nuance of what I said suggests you really aren't friends with smurfs. Soraka top AS A SMURF is a meta smurf position. It's not part of the MAIN meta. It's something done across the board by people who generally know what nonmeta champs/supports can trade in a role but normally aren't played there. Soraka top is a "right of passage" pick, because Top champs generally can't trade her. She's extremely easy to snowball top, because all you have to do is level Q, and take in the rewards. I do over 30k damage a game with Soraka as SUPPORT. I Don't know about you :) And no. You really can't. There are specific champs you can carry by resets. There are specific champs you can carry by abusing a champion specific trading mechanism which creates early leads and starves the other players. Not every champ in every position can smurf.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yocG8Wo7,comment-id=000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-11T22:15:07.406+0000) > > The fact that you didn't understand the nuance of what I said suggests you really aren't friends with smurfs. The dude is in his mid 50's in level. Of course he doesn't understand what he is saying. He also tries to use the voting system to 'win' arguments. You won't get anywhere with him. Votes > Logic for him. Basically you and I are in our high 100's. He's not even close to our levels. Yet, he is acting as if he played as many hours as us. It's quite sad.
: > [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJbfOBJI,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-11T22:19:13.466+0000) > > Show me then. go watch a PW video and tell me what minute he takes 80% of an enemy's life with 1 box. show me a video where an AD shaco that isn't stupidly fed is 100-0ing someone in 0 seconds
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJbfOBJI,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-11T23:52:03.365+0000) > > show me a video where an AD shaco that isn't stupidly fed is 100-0ing someone in 0 seconds What a dumb thing to ask. Of course someone fed is going to do damage as if they were fed.
: Can we stop with lee sin buffs?! What the hell is going on with balance team
But Lee sin needs to go back a couple of seasons of being rito's favorite again. Not a closet favorite. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
xAcidik (NA)
: Balancing Around Pro Play Sucks For Us
Actually, they are pissing off competitive players because of the amounts of changes have gotten to the point where it takes hours just to keep up with the extent of what they change in the game. One minor change can completely throw off a meta.
: > [{quoted}](name=IcebornKing,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VdbynzwN,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-08T16:48:19.727+0000) > > Agreed. Gifted CDR has nothing to do with Karma's strength profile, neither does gifted mana. did someone say infinite mana soraka?
> [{quoted}](name=EthreainAmbusher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VdbynzwN,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-08T17:07:13.153+0000) > > did someone say infinite mana soraka? How to W yourself to death brought to you by Rito.
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