: A hypercarry is heavily reliant on gold because they scale less on levels and more on items, because they deal damage with basic attacks An AD caster deals damage with abilities, so they scale on levels and items that buff their abilities --- Kai'Sa is good with a frontline because champions with CC can buy her time to build up her passive (as well as give her some passive stacks on them for free). If there's no one to tank or stop you from getting jumped on it gets really hard to find an opening where you can go in and not be blown up Lucian's range isn't an issue because he has high base resist stats and his dash to avoid cc or damage. He can also use his dash and W to kite back, PTA's proc and your armour reduction from black cleaver is really good for your allies too --- A late game comp will often have a tank toplaner, a midlaner with a big aoe ult and a hypercarry ADC, with a support that can facilitate that ADC to deal more damage (could be a tank supp with peel/cc, could be a healer/shielder with ardent) Champions that are weak in lane will often offer a lot outside of lane when they have items, that's a late game champion A skirmish comp is damage+mobility heavy, so think Jax, Xin Zhao, LeBlanc, Braum, Lucian etc. Stuff that's got damage and a way to get that damage on your health bar --- I'd watch challenger replays, there are loads on youtube where you can learn a lot. I'd also recommend learning to attack move if you haven't
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8dJ2yh7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-09T01:33:10.618+0000) > > I'd watch challenger replays, there are loads on youtube where you can learn a lot. I'd also recommend learning to attack move if you haven't Thanks for all the help (and answering my secondary questions)! Can you explain to me what attack-move is? I thought it was an auto-kite, where it would automatically attack AND move, but it seems like it just attacks? Thanks again for the help!
: Lucian is more of an AD caster, he deals damage with his abilities and passive Kai'Sa is a hypercarry, deals damage with basic attacks In Iron-Gold it won't matter what you play if you can play it well enough, and you will climb. I'd say if you have a good frontline, Kai'Sa is better and can deal more dps in extended fights (Late game-Team fight comp) In more skirmish comps Lucian is better because he's slightly tankier and you build hp {{item:3071}} and lifesteal {{item:3153}} on him (Mid game-Skirmish comp) Kai'Sa is balanced for Pro Play, so I really wouldn't go near her as a new player
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8dJ2yh7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-08T21:55:08.177+0000) > > Lucian is more of an AD caster, he deals damage with his abilities and passive > > Kai'Sa is a hypercarry, deals damage with basic attacks Can you please explain this more? I am a support main and I do not pick my support based on my ADC (so I don't know the types). > > In Iron-Gold it won't matter what you play if you can play it well enough, and you will climb. > > I'd say if you have a good frontline, Kai'Sa is better and can deal more dps in extended fights (Late game-Team fight comp) Why is Kai'sa better with a frontline? I would have though that Lucian is better with a frontline because of his lack of range > > In more skirmish comps Lucian is better because he's slightly tankier and you build hp {{item:3071}} and lifesteal {{item:3153}} on him (Mid game-Skirmish comp) > How do I know if our team Comp is Skirmish or Late game/teamfight? > Kai'Sa is balanced for Pro Play, so I really wouldn't go near her as a new player I am not really worried about skill floor/ceiling, so this isn't a problem! Thanks for the help!
Rioter Comments
iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T17:58:49.011+0000) > > Who do you think will work better for me? I don't have a lot of BE, so this will be the ADC I play for a while. Is Lucian or Kai'sa more rewarding when mastered? I want to play aggressive early but I don't want to fall off late. Thanks for the help! Oh, Kai'Sa is absolutely more rewarding when mastered. She's insanely good, she's just not able to play aggressively early on. Lucian used to be one of the best ADCs, but he's kinda fallen off after the crit changes. He's still got a pretty high skill ceiling and is very fun to play, but I'm not gonna lie to you and say Kai'Sa isn't top-tier. Don't worry too much about which one is "the best". Until you get to like, Diamond+, the metagame doesn't really matter. Play what you enjoy. There are very few champions that are good in both the early and late game. It's kinda how the game works. Most champions either have a strong early/mid game and are looking to end the game before they get outscaled, or they have a weaker early game with a strong late game and are looking to stall and farm until they can win. From what you've said, I think you'll enjoy Lucian more. He's very flexible and works well with many types of supports, he's satisfying to play, and he can be super-aggressive early.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T20:32:12.550+0000) > > Oh, Kai'Sa is absolutely more rewarding when mastered. She's insanely good, she's just not able to play aggressively early on. Lucian used to be one of the best ADCs, but he's kinda fallen off after the crit changes. He's still got a pretty high skill ceiling and is very fun to play, but I'm not gonna lie to you and say Kai'Sa isn't top-tier. > > Don't worry too much about which one is "the best". Until you get to like, Diamond+, the metagame doesn't really matter. Play what you enjoy. > > There are very few champions that are good in both the early and late game. It's kinda how the game works. Most champions either have a strong early/mid game and are looking to end the game before they get outscaled, or they have a weaker early game with a strong late game and are looking to stall and farm until they can win. > > From what you've said, I think you'll enjoy Lucian more. He's very flexible and works well with many types of supports, he's satisfying to play, and he can be super-aggressive early. Okay thanks for all the help! I will get Lucian!
iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T15:54:58.489+0000) > > So You think Lucian is better for me? Even though I am not very good, I still like to play aggressive. Does Kai’sa have longer range? Kai'Sa's range is slightly longer (525 vs Lucian's 500; most marksman have 550), and her W poke range is quite far. Kai'Sa rewards patience and farming. You need to keep the pressure up, but you can't just trade into people and win. She needs items before she can start playing aggressively. Lucian is a bully. He can play aggressively from level 2 onwards. Seriously, aa-E-aa-aa-Q-aa-aa is absolutely devastating damage at level 2. His range is shorter because between the mobility of his dash and the movement speed on his W, he can chase people down to the ends of the Earth. He doesn't just reward playing aggressive, he needs to play aggressive. The only real hurdle for aggressive play would be Lucian's mana issues. If you constantly use your abilities, you are gonna run out of mana almost instantly. This is partially why Lucian builds heavy lifesteal. With a ton of lifesteal, he can trade auto attacks and always come out on top in terms of health, so he doesn't always need his abilities to win trades. But when you see that opening, you can go ham and crush people.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T16:15:47.894+0000) > > Kai'Sa's range is slightly longer (525 vs Lucian's 500; most marksman have 550), and her W poke range is quite far. > > Kai'Sa rewards patience and farming. You need to keep the pressure up, but you can't just trade into people and win. She needs items before she can start playing aggressively. > > Lucian is a bully. He can play aggressively from level 2 onwards. Seriously, aa-E-aa-aa-Q-aa-aa is absolutely devastating damage at level 2. His range is shorter because between the mobility of his dash and the movement speed on his W, he can chase people down to the ends of the Earth. He doesn't just reward playing aggressive, he needs to play aggressive. > > The only real hurdle for aggressive play would be Lucian's mana issues. If you constantly use your abilities, you are gonna run out of mana almost instantly. This is partially why Lucian builds heavy lifesteal. With a ton of lifesteal, he can trade auto attacks and always come out on top in terms of health, so he doesn't always need his abilities to win trades. But when you see that opening, you can go ham and crush people. Who do you think will work better for me? I don't have a lot of BE, so this will be the ADC I play for a while. Is Lucian or Kai'sa more rewarding when mastered? I want to play aggressive early but I don't want to fall off late. Thanks for the help!
iiGazeii (NA)
: Kai'Sa needs to farm. She's a hypercarry. She needs to farm well AND get kills, but if she does, she can totally dominate a game. No game is ever truly over if you're playing Kai'Sa, but you need to play things safe early on. Lucian is the opposite. His early game is one of the strongest of all marksman (second only to Draven), and once he gets a few kills, his ability to win skirmishes over objectives is unparalleled. He does fall off, but he can also close out a game pretty fast if he's allowed to snowball. If you want an aggressive laner, Lucian is your guy, hands down. Kai'Sa can't play nearly as aggressive and needs to wait for item powerspikes before her kit really comes online.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-07T04:35:26.627+0000) > > Kai'Sa needs to farm. She's a hypercarry. She needs to farm well AND get kills, but if she does, she can totally dominate a game. No game is ever truly over if you're playing Kai'Sa, but you need to play things safe early on. > > Lucian is the opposite. His early game is one of the strongest of all marksman (second only to Draven), and once he gets a few kills, his ability to win skirmishes over objectives is unparalleled. He does fall off, but he can also close out a game pretty fast if he's allowed to snowball. > > If you want an aggressive laner, Lucian is your guy, hands down. Kai'Sa can't play nearly as aggressive and needs to wait for item powerspikes before her kit really comes online. So You think Lucian is better for me? Even though I am not very good, I still like to play aggressive. Does Kai’sa have longer range?
: Kai'sa's better in every single way.
> [{quoted}](name=Feel Apathy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-07T10:39:33.905+0000) > > Kai'sa's better in every single way. Can you give examples? And which one is more aggressive?
: When its 4v5, you're playing like ass, down 7k, 3 infernal, and the enemy is at your nexus...
This is why I wouldn’t surrender in Ranked!, but in normals, I just want to try things and that is hard if the game flow is off
Copic (NA)
: Please for the love of fucking god buff TF
Okay, I can see what you are saying (I can’t at all see what you are saying). TF is sooo good right now with a TP on a low-ish CD, good Poke and decent waveclear with Q, quick and easy CC or mana regeneration with W, free attack speed for one-hit, and bonus damage with E, If anything nerf him. He has high presence at all levels of play, and can completely take over a game if you use your ult right. Sorry if I miss understood what you meant, as this could just be a joke.
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Blåsigt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T03:16:06.833+0000) > > In addition this could also help his Mid-lane ability. He can max Q and sit back and poke, and with a good knock-up, E > W them. Also what do you mean, “On par with Blitz[crank]”? Blitz has several disabling abilities that make him a superb support champion.
> [{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T06:28:51.814+0000) > > Blitz has several disabling abilities that make him a superb support champion. That makes sense!
Dynikus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-06T03:05:27.009+0000) > > Okay so Draven and just bully the lane? I was liking Lucian (played him on the free rotation! Get whichever you prefer playing honestly, you can do well with any adc. Draven is _the_ lane bully adc and has absolutely stupid damage, but you need good axe control. If you can't consistently catch axes, you'll do no damage and be pretty useless. He's also probably the most feast or famine ADC in the game. If you aren't getting kills, you basically have no passive, and it'll be a pain in the ass to come back from. Lucian has consistently been a pretty strong pick and has a ton of mobility and is really strong early. He's not in the best spot right now, but he's still viable, and will most likely be a top meta pick sooner than later. If you liked lucian, I'd say pick him up, because he is a lot of fun to play.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T04:00:37.274+0000) > > Get whichever you prefer playing honestly, you can do well with any adc. > Draven is _the_ lane bully adc and has absolutely stupid damage, but you need good axe control. If you can't consistently catch axes, you'll do no damage and be pretty useless. He's also probably the most feast or famine ADC in the game. If you aren't getting kills, you basically have no passive, and it'll be a pain in the ass to come back from. > Lucian has consistently been a pretty strong pick and has a ton of mobility and is really strong early. He's not in the best spot right now, but he's still viable, and will most likely be a top meta pick sooner than later. If you liked lucian, I'd say pick him up, because he is a lot of fun to play. Thanks for the response! What do you mean “Lucian is not in a great spit right now”? Also is Draven like Pyke, where if you don’t get 3-5 kills in lane, you struggle? Is Lucian like that? Thanks again for helping!
Blåsigt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:21:30.187+0000) > > I love this idea! It will give Galio **3** CC abilities (which is unique) and will give him more peek power! This would be great!! That is my thought, too. I feel like he could provide support, if in the support role, on par with Blitz. Further, it gives him better control when dealing with enemies at range.
> [{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T02:04:28.003+0000) > > That is my thought, too. I feel like he could provide support, if in the support role, on par with Blitz. Further, it gives him better control when dealing with enemies at range. In addition this could also help his Mid-lane ability. He can max Q and sit back and poke, and with a good knock-up, E > W them. Also what do you mean, “On par with Blitz[crank]”?
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:42:36.616+0000) > > Thanks for the response! Can you do the Poll? Also between Draven and Lucian, who fits my preferred qualities? Again, thanks for the help! It's kind of hard because you are asking for different ADCs. > Meaning they are lane dominate, mobile, and can spread their lead to other lanes. They are not late game focused, so you can take aggressive trades/kill attempts early. All four are strong in lane, Lucian has the superior mobility, Cait has defensive Mobility in her net. Spreading a lead into other roles is kind of subjective. To some it means me using my lead to get them ahead of their opponent allowing us to snowball together and harder as a team, in which really Cait is best at this because she can easily siege with say her mid laner but will be overall weaker in teams of damage then her mid laner allowing them to have a higher probable chance at the kills you may get. Ashe on the other hand excels at roam/ganking with her ult and slows. Draven on the other hand is that champ that will walk into mid and kill the target for himself and snowball himself into 1v5 status. Cait/Ashe are late game champs, Ashe has some mid game with her utility. Draven/Luc are both mid game champions that want to win fast or face falling off, but both also have higher skill expersion, meaning it'll take you longer to get good at them but once you do you can make the game all about you, specially Draven. Draven is a very strong AD in the right hands, he warps games around him, knowing that you have this massive lane bully who can potentially 1v5 the mid game (2v5 considering a good support will follow it's good Draven into any fight and should also be ahead of the curve due to the Draven going ham). I'd say Draven is your best bet tbh, but he isn't a AD that plays for his team, his team plays for him, but if you're somewhat new to League, I wouldn't recommend learning how to AD on Draven, as he is a fairly high skill champion who when put behind often time will feel useless. Once you master him though, like truly master him, he potentially can carry you up to the higher mid elos on his own.
> [{quoted}](name=MrHaZeYo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T03:02:09.606+0000) > > It's kind of hard because you are asking for different ADCs. > > All four are strong in lane, Lucian has the superior mobility, Cait has defensive Mobility in her net. > > Spreading a lead into other roles is kind of subjective. To some it means me using my lead to get them ahead of their opponent allowing us to snowball together and harder as a team, in which really Cait is best at this because she can easily siege with say her mid laner but will be overall weaker in teams of damage then her mid laner allowing them to have a higher probable chance at the kills you may get. > > Ashe on the other hand excels at roam/ganking with her ult and slows. > > Draven on the other hand is that champ that will walk into mid and kill the target for himself and snowball himself into 1v5 status. > > Cait/Ashe are late game champs, Ashe has some mid game with her utility. > > Draven/Luc are both mid game champions that want to win fast or face falling off, but both also have higher skill expersion, meaning it'll take you longer to get good at them but once you do you can make the game all about you, specially Draven. > > Draven is a very strong AD in the right hands, he warps games around him, knowing that you have this massive lane bully who can potentially 1v5 the mid game (2v5 considering a good support will follow it's good Draven into any fight and should also be ahead of the curve due to the Draven going ham). > > I'd say Draven is your best bet tbh, but he isn't a AD that plays for his team, his team plays for him, but if you're somewhat new to League, I wouldn't recommend learning how to AD on Draven, as he is a fairly high skill champion who when put behind often time will feel useless. Once you master him though, like truly master him, he potentially can carry you up to the higher mid elos on his own. Thanks for the great response! Of the 4 you mentioned I still like Draven and Lucian the best. I think I would like Draven but I am not sure I want the game to revolve around me (after all, I am a support player). But I think I could learn to play him. Is Lucian a team player? Also you were right about what I mean by roaming/spreading the lead. I want to walk into a different lane and just kill the enemy lamer. Can Lucian do that? Really to me this is now Lucian vs Draven, can you please provide more detail in that? And again that’s for the help!!
Dynikus (NA)
: Since you said lane dominant _and mobile_, I'd go with lucian. Lucian's not really in a great spot right now though, while draven is top tier and fits what you're looking for as well, just with less mobility. Your ult can also pop someone in a different lane if you time it well.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-06T02:11:41.042+0000) > > Since you said lane dominant _and mobile_, I'd go with lucian. Lucian's not really in a great spot right now though, while draven is top tier and fits what you're looking for as well, just with less mobility. > Your ult can also pop someone in a different lane if you time it well. Okay so Draven and just bully the lane? I was liking Lucian (played him on the free rotation!
Hotarµ (NA)
: The best ADCs to pair with Pyke are hyper-aggressive or high-damage ones such as Draven, Kai'sa, and Lucian. Caitlyn, Vayne, and Xayah can also work really well if they chain their CC properly. The worst ADCs to pair with Pyke are scaling or more passive ones like Ezreal or Varus, although realistically speaking any ADC can work decently well if they play it correctly. ######source: I have 410k mastery on Pyke
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:48:36.938+0000) > > The best ADCs to pair with Pyke are hyper-aggressive or high-damage ones such as Draven, Kai'sa, and Lucian. Caitlyn, Vayne, and Xayah can also work really well if they chain their CC properly. > > The worst ADCs to pair with Pyke are scaling or more passive ones like Ezreal or Varus, although realistically speaking any ADC can work decently well if they play it correctly. > > > > ######source: I have 410k mastery on Pyke Thanks for the info! This wasn’t the answer I was looking for (my question was unclear) but this still will be helpful for my partner in lane!
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: Lucian and Draven are your most lane dominate/Aggro ADs. Cait, and Ashe are both pretty lane dominate as well but they both have iffy mid games (I mean Ashe does have CC out the waazoo but she fits more into the utility AD position).
> [{quoted}](name=MrHaZeYo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:40:39.278+0000) > > Lucian and Draven are your most lane dominate/Aggro ADs. > > Cait, and Ashe are both pretty lane dominate as well but they both have iffy mid games (I mean Ashe does have CC out the waazoo but she fits more into the utility AD position). Thanks for the response! Can you do the Poll? Also between Draven and Lucian, who fits my preferred qualities? Again, thanks for the help!
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Blåsigt (NA)
: Galio buff idea
I love this idea! It will give Galio **3** CC abilities (which is unique) and will give him more peek power! This would be great!!
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: If you're looking for champions with very strong roaming potential, I'd recommend Talon, Katarina, or Aurelion Sol. All three of these champions are notoriously good at roaming (especially to a bot lane that isn't paying attention) to farm double kills. Galio may be another champion to consider. He's not as common midlane anymore, but he's still viable there in my opinion. He's beefy (like Thresh and Braum are) and his engage and peel is outstanding. His ultimate would also allow for some roaming plays, although I'd say his roaming isn't quite as good as Katarina or Talon or the like. Nocturne is an off meta midlaner that I like to pick sometimes, and he is outstanding as far as roaming is concerned. Merely leaving lane and pressing R is enough to scare most sidelaners back to their tower. He has struggles with a somewhat simplistic kit and getting poked out, but you might consider him for some matchups. If you're going to be running Teleport, you can make some other champions decent picks as well if roaming is your main concern. Renekton is one of the strongest early game champions and his ability to kill his laner and then teleport for a play elsewhere is practically unmatched. He does fall off, but if you're looking to roam and push your (hopeful) lead early on he might be the guy for you! Kennen also has fairly good ganks with Teleport combined with his Ultimate. He's also viable in several positions (Top/Mid/Bottom) so he could be a pick you can use in multiple situations. ^^; I'm not 100% sure I understood your question correctly, but I'm happy to help as best as I can. Worst case scenario, try something out for yourself and see what you can do with it! You'll eventually get a chance to try something else if it doesn't work out for you.
> [{quoted}](name=The23rdGamer,realm=NA,application-id=okOuNvuT,discussion-id=sWYl0YwN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-29T03:01:54.106+0000) > > If you're looking for champions with very strong roaming potential, I'd recommend Talon, Katarina, or Aurelion Sol. All three of these champions are notoriously good at roaming (especially to a bot lane that isn't paying attention) to farm double kills. > > Galio may be another champion to consider. He's not as common midlane anymore, but he's still viable there in my opinion. He's beefy (like Thresh and Braum are) and his engage and peel is outstanding. His ultimate would also allow for some roaming plays, although I'd say his roaming isn't quite as good as Katarina or Talon or the like. > > Nocturne is an off meta midlaner that I like to pick sometimes, and he is outstanding as far as roaming is concerned. Merely leaving lane and pressing R is enough to scare most sidelaners back to their tower. He has struggles with a somewhat simplistic kit and getting poked out, but you might consider him for some matchups. > > If you're going to be running Teleport, you can make some other champions decent picks as well if roaming is your main concern. Renekton is one of the strongest early game champions and his ability to kill his laner and then teleport for a play elsewhere is practically unmatched. He does fall off, but if you're looking to roam and push your (hopeful) lead early on he might be the guy for you! > > Kennen also has fairly good ganks with Teleport combined with his Ultimate. He's also viable in several positions (Top/Mid/Bottom) so he could be a pick you can use in multiple situations. ^^; > > I'm not 100% sure I understood your question correctly, but I'm happy to help as best as I can. Worst case scenario, try something out for yourself and see what you can do with it! You'll eventually get a chance to try something else if it doesn't work out for you. Thanks for the great and helpful response!, but I have some questions. I can see how Sol can roam (with E) but how do you roam as Katarina/talon? Also I do like Galio (played him support for a while), is he still viable? Riot just nerfed him (his damage) so when I played him (tried him after nerfs) it felt harder to do things by myself (unlike Akali). Also, because this is my off-role I don't want the champion to be focused on getting ahead early because I can't, so maybe not Renekton. Also I think that Kenne looks good, but I don't like the idea of having to use TP to gank as that is on a 6 minute CD (and there are always more kills than minutes!). Again thanks for the help/recommendations!
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Sir Gusi (EUW)
: Wow those are long comments I'll post a short one I mained sup for about a year and a half and I found that support that are the most rewarding to master are {{champion:40}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:44}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Gusi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-05-30T15:01:32.959+0000) > > Wow those are long comments I'll post a short one I mained sup for about a year and a half and I found that support that are the most rewarding to master are {{champion:40}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:44}} Can you explain why dor each one and in what order? Thanks!
: How dare you sir. Not even bothering to put us tank players on the list. I say how dare you. {{champion:89}} <- best wefiu in game fight me.
> [{quoted}](name=robotmaster,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KalBW2yr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-29T21:24:21.569+0000) > > How dare you sir. Not even bothering to put us tank players on the list. I say how dare you. > {{champion:89}} <- best wefiu in game fight me. Sorry, it was just in research previously, I found nothing on tank supports, but I do like them!
: Where is my man Taric {{champion:44}} ?
> [{quoted}](name=Anomandarist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KalBW2yr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-29T22:00:36.254+0000) > > Where is my man Taric {{champion:44}} ? No, just no, sorry tho
Mártir (EUW)
: Wtf? Where's my Zilean {{champion:26}} ? ???????????????????????
> [{quoted}](name=Mártir,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KalBW2yr,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-05-29T22:26:00.198+0000) > > Wtf? Where's my Zilean {{champion:26}} ? > ??????????????????????? Sorry, not playing zilean
: >Doesn't have Brand on list you wot m8
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeath XIII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KalBW2yr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-29T21:09:11.340+0000) > > you wot m8 Sorry, I ran out of space, plus Brand is the only support with no ‘easy cc’
: I would say Thresh, since he has the highest mechanical ceiling of any support, and if your ADC blows you can go crit Thresh and carry that way.
> [{quoted}](name=Queen Weeß,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KalBW2yr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:47:50.654+0000) > > I would say Thresh, since he has the highest mechanical ceiling of any support, and if your ADC blows you can go crit Thresh and carry that way. Thanks for the response!
: Ali or Leona You will be always accepted for picking a Tank support
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:43:54.247+0000) > > Ali or Leona > > You will be always accepted for picking a Tank support Also do the poll pls
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:43:12.009+0000) > > Thanks for the response! Did you do the poll yet? I don't see a poll?
> [{quoted}](name=Morgana Deus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:44:46.021+0000) > > I don't see a poll? there is a link
: Ali or Leona You will be always accepted for picking a Tank support
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:43:54.247+0000) > > Ali or Leona > > You will be always accepted for picking a Tank support Okay but don’t they need team work (like your adc not being able to kill someone who’s taunted for 2.5 seconds, then knocked up, then slowed? Thanks flr the reply!
Leygend (NA)
: I personally love Nami, she is good at a lot of things (poke/sustain with W, stat/speed boost with E, peel/engage with Q/R) and can do it from a safe distance. I think it might be a good idea to learn when to pick champs from your current pool into certain matchups. For example: I love Galio, but like you my win rate isn't the best. I learned recently that I was just playing him wrong. I would try to be aggro in lane and use all my kit for engage and if I messed up my engage (or my ADC wasn't paying attention and didn't follow) I would just die. So instead, I wait to pick him into matchups that i expect to be heavily engaged upon. The last game I played Galio was into a Nautilus support and I just saved my E/W for whenever my ADC got hooked by Nautilus and we destroyed lane. But if you are looking for supports to one trick that can solo carry games....I would say Thresh, Pyke, Morg, Lux or Brand would be the way to go (specially if you are in like Silver or below).
> [{quoted}](name=Leygend,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:39:27.614+0000) > > I personally love Nami, she is good at a lot of things (poke/sustain with W, stat/speed boost with E, peel/engage with Q/R) and can do it from a safe distance. > > I think it might be a good idea to learn when to pick champs from your current pool into certain matchups. For example: > > I love Galio, but like you my win rate isn't the best. I learned recently that I was just playing him wrong. I would try to be aggro in lane and use all my kit for engage and if I messed up my engage (or my ADC wasn't paying attention and didn't follow) I would just die. So instead, I wait to pick him into matchups that i expect to be heavily engaged upon. The last game I played Galio was into a Nautilus support and I just saved my E/W for whenever my ADC got hooked by Nautilus and we destroyed lane. > > But if you are looking for supports to one trick that can solo carry games....I would say Thresh, Pyke, Morg, Lux or Brand would be the way to go (specially if you are in like Silver or below). Okay so I play galio into all in lanes, sona vs poke, and a high damage support to carry. Thnaks! Don’t forget to do the poll!
: Sona and Nami are the best choices for one trick supports. They have pretty much no unplayable match ups. Sona is broken beyond all reason and belief right now. Nami has always been extremely strong. Somehow neither ever receive nerfs despite sitting on some of the highest win rates of all champions in the game. I'm extremely talented as Morgana and there are many bot lanes I can't win because my adc is just garbage. There's nothing Morgana can do to save someone who can't position in lane and consistently gets hit by skill shots. Champions such as Nami and Sona can handle this by having oppressive levels of poke and sustain. Your ADC can stand in everything and you will be able to sustain them. Morgana, Thresh, Blitz, and Pyke can circumvent incompetent adcs by simply roaming and winning other lanes. You don't really have that option as Sona/Nami. So I suppose there are some tradeoffs.
> [{quoted}](name=Morgana Deus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:41:47.771+0000) > > Sona and Nami are the best choices for one trick supports. They have pretty much no unplayable match ups. Sona is broken beyond all reason and belief right now. Nami has always been extremely strong. Somehow neither ever receive nerfs despite sitting on some of the highest win rates of all champions in the game. > > I'm extremely talented as Morgana and there are many bot lanes I can't win because my adc is just garbage. There's nothing Morgana can do to save someone who can't position in lane and consistently gets hit by skill shots. Champions such as Nami and Sona can handle this by having oppressive levels of poke and sustain. Your ADC can stand in everything and you will be able to sustain them. > > Morgana, Thresh, Blitz, and Pyke can circumvent incompetent adcs by simply roaming and winning other lanes. You don't really have that option as Sona/Nami. So I suppose there are some tradeoffs. Thanks for the response! Did you do the poll yet?
Zac x Me (NA)
: Morgana Support, she will carry you up to Platinum in no time, as long as you spam her. {{item:3098}} -> {{item:3070}} -> {{item:3003}} -> {{item:3020}} -> {{item:3157}} -> {{item:3165}} -> {{item:3089}} W Q E, max W first, then Q, then E and keep spamming Q W as if it's URF mode. Tear stacks at minute 19 - 21. Your E at level 3, not sooner. It will pretty much make Thresh, Leona, Blitz, Pyke, etc. Support useless in lane. And from Platinum on you can start buying proper support items. Before that you do need Tear in order to be able to almost infinitly spam your skills as if it's URF mode. https://i.imgur.com/seo8RVU.png You are to literally spam your skill non-stop, QW QW QW QW QW any chance there is, even if it is a miss, they are great zoning and push back skills. While if it hits you can get an enemy squishy down to 40% hp with a QW combo.
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:41:37.146+0000) > > Morgana Support, she will carry you up to Platinum in no time, as long as you spam her. > > {{item:3098}} -> {{item:3070}} -> {{item:3003}} -> {{item:3020}} -> {{item:3157}} -> {{item:3165}} -> {{item:3089}} > > W Q E, max W first and keep spamming Q W as if it's URF mode. > Tear stacks at minute 19 - 21. > > > And from Platinum on you can start buying proper support items. > Before that you do need Tear in order to be able to almost infinitly spam your skills as if it's URF mode. > > https://i.imgur.com/seo8RVU.png > > You are to literally spam your skill non-stop, QW QW QW QW QW any chance there is, even if it is a miss, they are great zoning and push back skills. > While if it hits you can get an enemy squishy down to 40% hp with a QW combo. Thanks for the response! Can you do the poll?
: If I were you I'd go with Morgana/Thresh/Sona. Morgana and Sona are incredibly simple from a mechanical standpoint, while Thresh is a champion you could learn to carry a lane with. Side note - give Taliyah support a try as well. She's a good source of midgame damage, and the occasional well placed W will feed the crap out of your adc. The ult is also excellent for blocking ganks. I pick Taliyah any time I'm partnered with a Vayne.
> [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:33:32.745+0000) > > If I were you I'd go with Morgana/Thresh/Sona. Morgana and Sona are incredibly simple from a mechanical standpoint, while Thresh is a champion you could learn to carry a lane with. > > Side note - give Taliyah support a try as well. She's a good source of midgame damage, and the occasional well placed W will feed the crap out of your adc. The ult is also excellent for blocking ganks. I pick Taliyah any time I'm partnered with a Vayne. Also can you do the poll? Thanks!
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: If I were you I'd go with Morgana/Thresh/Sona. Morgana and Sona are incredibly simple from a mechanical standpoint, while Thresh is a champion you could learn to carry a lane with. Side note - give Taliyah support a try as well. She's a good source of midgame damage, and the occasional well placed W will feed the crap out of your adc. The ult is also excellent for blocking ganks. I pick Taliyah any time I'm partnered with a Vayne.
> [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8U9HgcGo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-29T20:33:32.745+0000) > > If I were you I'd go with Morgana/Thresh/Sona. Morgana and Sona are incredibly simple from a mechanical standpoint, while Thresh is a champion you could learn to carry a lane with. > > Side note - give Taliyah support a try as well. She's a good source of midgame damage, and the occasional well placed W will feed the crap out of your adc. The ult is also excellent for blocking ganks. I pick Taliyah any time I'm partnered with a Vayne. So Thresh to carry but he is hard to learn (but worth it). Morgana/ Sona are easy but not as good when mastered. Thanks for a quick response!
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: " Both effects are reduced to 6% if the item holder is Ranged role ranged." u get fullvalue
> [{quoted}](name=XJ99999999999999,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UPkBOVV0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-14T00:38:30.360+0000) > > " Both effects are reduced to 6% if the item holder is Ranged role ranged." > > u get fullvalue Normal is 12% on melee, 6 % is half of 12%
: With Galio, there's more than one way to go. He's actually surprisingly versatile. Your method is decent as a support build. Of all the things you have, Stopwatch makes probably the least amount of sense imo, but plenty of people run stoneplate on him, so it's not like it's a bad decision. Just not one I would personally use. I would normally use either biscuits (this may work well for you since you seem to like your potion, so you can save some money for better items with the freebies) or Future's Market (to cheat and get items faster) but the minor secondaries are *generally* player's choice. Completed builds...for support, I'll throw a few examples real quick. **[Core]**: {{item:3097}} {{item:1001}} (<- upgraded as needed) {{item:3800}} (Get at least this much whenever you can. Remember once your starting item is charged to swap trinket to sweeping lens for ward clearing. Don't upgrade past the 2nd upgrade for your support item until after the rest of your build is close to done...the stats aren't worth it til the end. Glory will help you gapclose with your whole team, and gives you another slow to keep them close to your W. Usually, I will take swifties for the slow resistance, but generally I take defensive boots if we're up against some heavy hitters, and mobis if we're against siege comps. Swifties are my go to if their team is arguably balanced and we're mostly even.) **[vs heavy/fed AD]**: {{item:3075}} {{item:3025}} {{item:3742}} (you can use {{item:3110}} instead of Iceborn, but Iceborn gives you a little more damage on your first entrance, and another additional slow field while your W is charging up its taunt...this is more my preference. I would definitely take FH over IG in cases of attack speed AD over burst AD, however.) **[vs heavy/fed AP]**: {{item:3001}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3065}} (Note: if it's a DoT mage dealing stupid amounts of damage, use {{item:3194}} over Abyssal, but generally, Abyssal is good because it again gives you just a little more kick in your abilities, helps *your* mages deal a little more as well, and still gives you the stats to live. The locket usually works better against AP anyway since it gives far more MR than armor, and that shield helps your team live the burst. **[vs heavy poke/siege]**: {{item:3107}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3083}} (This is your kind of bread and butter for matchups where you want to try and remain healthy to wombo combo/break the enemy siege without overcommitting and killing yourself. Redemption is solid at making sure your team stays healthy with you, the locket shield helps as well, and the warmogs means you don't have to worry about wating some skillshots, cause you can just walk back for a sec and be ok.) **[vs enemy wombo]**: {{item:3107}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3193}} (The reason people like taking stoneplate on tank supports is so they can try to eat as much of the enemy's combo as possible and clutch it out afterwards. However, against enemy wombo, your priority should be to try and help your team live, and especially keep your team's VIP alive. By VIP, I mean the person on your team who can most consistently clean them all up, which will usually [hopefully] be your adc. Taking Knights Vow against enemy wombo comps will give them the best possible chance of living to strike back, and with redemption and stoneplate, you can often turn the tides if your VIP lives the burst.)
> [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UPkBOVV0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-14T01:03:27.816+0000) > > With Galio, there's more than one way to go. He's actually surprisingly versatile. > > Your method is decent as a support build. Of all the things you have, Stopwatch makes probably the least amount of sense imo, but plenty of people run stoneplate on him, so it's not like it's a bad decision. Just not one I would personally use. I would normally use either biscuits (this may work well for you since you seem to like your potion, so you can save some money for better items with the freebies) or Future's Market (to cheat and get items faster) but the minor secondaries are *generally* player's choice. > > Completed builds...for support, I'll throw a few examples real quick. > > **[Core]**: {{item:3097}} {{item:1001}} (<- upgraded as needed) {{item:3800}} > (Get at least this much whenever you can. Remember once your starting item is charged to swap trinket to sweeping lens for ward clearing. Don't upgrade past the 2nd upgrade for your support item until after the rest of your build is close to done...the stats aren't worth it til the end. Glory will help you gapclose with your whole team, and gives you another slow to keep them close to your W. Usually, I will take swifties for the slow resistance, but generally I take defensive boots if we're up against some heavy hitters, and mobis if we're against siege comps. Swifties are my go to if their team is arguably balanced and we're mostly even.) > > **[vs heavy/fed AD]**: {{item:3075}} {{item:3025}} {{item:3742}} (you can use {{item:3110}} instead of Iceborn, but Iceborn gives you a little more damage on your first entrance, and another additional slow field while your W is charging up its taunt...this is more my preference. I would definitely take FH over IG in cases of attack speed AD over burst AD, however.) > > **[vs heavy/fed AP]**: {{item:3001}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3065}} (Note: if it's a DoT mage dealing stupid amounts of damage, use {{item:3194}} over Abyssal, but generally, Abyssal is good because it again gives you just a little more kick in your abilities, helps *your* mages deal a little more as well, and still gives you the stats to live. The locket usually works better against AP anyway since it gives far more MR than armor, and that shield helps your team live the burst. > > **[vs heavy poke/siege]**: {{item:3107}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3083}} (This is your kind of bread and butter for matchups where you want to try and remain healthy to wombo combo/break the enemy siege without overcommitting and killing yourself. Redemption is solid at making sure your team stays healthy with you, the locket shield helps as well, and the warmogs means you don't have to worry about wating some skillshots, cause you can just walk back for a sec and be ok.) > > **[vs enemy wombo]**: {{item:3107}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3193}} (The reason people like taking stoneplate on tank supports is so they can try to eat as much of the enemy's combo as possible and clutch it out afterwards. However, against enemy wombo, your priority should be to try and help your team live, and especially keep your team's VIP alive. By VIP, I mean the person on your team who can most consistently clean them all up, which will usually [hopefully] be your adc. Taking Knights Vow against enemy wombo comps will give them the best possible chance of living to strike back, and with redemption and stoneplate, you can often turn the tides if your VIP lives the burst.) This makes a lot of sense but what about just a general 3 core items (excluding boots and taragon’s brace) thta work against most things? Also what about runes? Like demolish vs font, and 2nd wind vs bone plating, and hp when minions die vs tenacity? And **Can you hextech flash while channeling W (like a normal flash W engage)?** Also thanks ffor the detailed response!
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