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: Best Support for A New Player
Most Things work with Ezreal because of his E, he can play safe vs A Thresh or E forward to get a trade. He also scales pretty well, so any support works. As for supports that can fix his misplays, it depends. I don't know the most about this because I play Engage supports like Rakan, Thresh and Nautilus, those 3 don't really save allies, more of crowd control enemies. But I would say there are 2 types of "saving allies" type. Defensive tanks and enchanters. Defensive tanks more or less just block damage for their ADC and use abilities to mitigate that damage. Examples would be Braum and Tahm Kench. Enchanters can poke the enemy in laning phase (but are generally weak to all in) and scale well. They help allies by buffing them (Like shields, Heals, movement speed, attack speed). Examples would be Nami, Sona, Karma, Lulu. I hope this helped!
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: A Master Yi Main's thoughts on Pyke
Don't nerf it... It keeps getting killed....
LivéToKill (EUNE)
: Can Apple MacBook Pro play league of legends?
Depends.... Watch this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947op8yKJRY but My buddy plays on a Macbook air (I think) and it runs somewhat good. It's not like 120fps on max graphics but it's definitely playable, and remember, some pros only play on like 90-100 fps
: Questions From a Curious New Player
Hello! I am still new myself but here are my thoughts: A1: I play league because it is satisfying. I enjoy the animations, I like watching the pros, and it is satisfying to know I just saved my ADC as Thresh, and it is satisfying to see the damage numbers pop up over people's heads when I damage them. It's a weird reason, but That's why I play league. A2: Don't really interact with any other players outside of gameplay.. I just talk about league with my buddies (Like which champions to get, which runes, new strategies) A3: Watch pro games (worlds tournament is going on right now), or watch streams (from pros/challengers), just note some things they do will not apply to your games (like some pros play selflessly while in your games playing selfishly is generally better) A4: Watch pro games, and decide why you play. Like I want to play ranked just to find games of my level, some play to get better, that's for you to decide but make that decision consciously. -LelsersLasers
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F Ù Ń (NA)
: Fun and varied utility:{{champion:517}} OP Hyper Carry once reaching power spike:{{champion:8}} Hard to Master, but powerful at full potential:{{champion:268}} Out of all of these, I would recommend Sylas as he’s fun, and with his últ has varied utility. This would make interesting roams, and could prove advantageous if your friend is in a tough matchup top
> [{quoted}](name=F Ù Ń,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BxurGfpE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-18T03:06:20.255+0000) > > Fun and varied utility:{{champion:517}} > OP Hyper Carry once reaching power spike:{{champion:8}} > Hard to Master, but powerful at full potential:{{champion:268}} > Out of all of these, I would recommend Sylas as he’s fun, and with his últ has varied utility. This would make interesting roams, and could prove advantageous if your friend is in a tough matchup top So, If I play only Azir, and become good at him, he is the most powerful? Thanks for the response!!
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: Riot give us an open-world RPG game already !!
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CurS1VE (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iyV93d9L,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T23:10:08.247+0000) > > Thanks again for the great Response! I already play some Thresh but I find him a bit to squishy when engaging into a 5 man team. I have a feeling that's not how you play Thresh but I am looking for someone who does that. It seems to me that Leona would be slightly easier to engage in lane (B/C E goes thru minions), but why do the pros and high Elo players play Naut? Is Leona is better then why would they play Naut? Also if Naut is better at high Elos, why did Vulcan play Leona in the CG vs TL game? Thanks for the response!! his lv 1 is stronger, he is safer since you can Q to a wall and it'll pull you out of a situation. Leona is 1 way, she isn't really very defensive, she is meant to go in and be a huge disruption. Naut is more versatile since his kit allows for ways to escape and avoid ganks or bad situations. It's not really that Leona is 'better' i'd say that's not really how you look at these sorts of things; if you are talking about when CoreJJ had Naut and Vulcan played Leona it's basically like a Gauntlet or a Line in the Sand being thrown down, almost like if (imagine for a sec) in the Mid lane you get Zed v Leblanc matchup. It's taking the matchup and basically seeing who can make the engages and disengages better. Leona to me is just more fun and that's why i play her a little more but also that extra dmg she brings can be nice. When you look at the Naut + Kaisa lane that is generally why you are seeing a lot of hype being naut in the higher up levels, it's a very strong combination, similarly a lane that is Xayah (probably the 2nd best ADC in high elo) + Leona is a pretty strong lane as well so it's a matchup where it's honestly super volatile, it's not really "This is Better" it's more like both do things so similar that when matchuped against each other it becomes about as close to 'even' as possible when you talk about the E v Naut Q it's important to remember that Naut Q can be used as a Escape tool, where the Leona E only goes in and there is no backing out once you land it. Yes Leona can get those engages but she isn't going to be getting out once she goes, that's why it's important that your AD fights when you go. Leona is Kill, straight up Aggro, she is like the Draven of Engage Supports Both Leona and Naut are picked in the same situations tbh it's more along the lines of the escape of Naut as well as his point n click R gives him more ease of execution in lots of higher elo play, and if you see leona in a pro play then generally speaking it's because those teams have specifically been practicing Leona cause she isn't ever banned in high elo let alone pro play since she is so risky and most pro teams are usually playing around things that are low risk high reward which is basically the opposite of Leona but teams like CG are not really about low risk, they are about trying to snowball which is perfect for leona. I will also say im not sure which games you are speaking to in the TL games, if you are talking about the Rakan games v Leona it's just because Leona can kill Rakan easily every time he tries to W in; so it gets the snowball rolling, whereas wit Naut he may not be able to counter the W of Rakan consistently nor will he be able to kill rakan as easily as Leona can
Thank you again for the great response!!! This is perfect!! Thanks so much for the help!! Also thanks for answering my follow up questions (which no body does)!! You are the best!! Thanks!!
CurS1VE (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iyV93d9L,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-24T19:26:10.086+0000) > > Thanks For the great response!!! Are there any more differences between Naut and Leo then you mentioned? i had a huge post written and then my client crashed lol really it's about ease of execution; Naut is similar but more simple he has less dmg than leona but more cc and safer, leona has more dmg (naut still has decent dmg tho) and her R overall can be a little better but it is a skill shot. Both come with their own set of risks and rewards; learning when to engage with either is a skill that transitions between both though. I would still recommend learning Thresh tbh because he is even more safe and a lot more utility for your ADC then the other 2; when you pick Naut or Leona you are saying "at level 2 I will be killing you" (although with Leo it can be more like lv 3) Naut can combo earlier you don't really need level 2 but i like getting it before that first all in. So with Naut because his Passive stuns, it means he has more all in potential at a early level. If you hit a Q level 1 you can kill because it's just a Q + AA (stun from passive) whereas with leona you generally need level 2 to perform the same thing, she COULD Flash Q i suppose but generally it's a EQ to do the engage / allin so with Naut you can play more aggressive early on and threaten kills from the start. Leona actually has a little more diversity imo when you talk about keystones, you could actually run Press The Attack and get ATK speed runes if you know your ADC is going to be playing something like Fleet or Lethal Tempo, you can unlock them for more dmg potential with a Press The Attack (or even a Glacial Augment). Neither Leo nor Naut are meant to be played Passively I should say, they are both very aggro and allin based champs. you can for sure pick your spots when you are behind but the goal is to be a bully so i would say that can be something that kind of has to be learned especially telling your AD when you are going, it's really difficult because you may not be planning on a engage and then you happen to see someone step out of position and ofc you have to go and punish it. The most frustrating thing about both of these champs is about hoping your ADC will go in with you, Leo at least takes Ignite generally and has higher dmg so when she goes in you need less dmg from your ADC which imo is good because as a support generally I can't trust the ADC in lane..out of lane is a different story but in lane most of them play insanely passive and don't follow up with dmg. oh also leo is better at isolating with her R, like her R stun can punish a lot of ppl so say you happen to engage on a high priority target, you COULD also R them but then again you could R where the rest of their team is so you lockdown all of them and make securing the pick a lot safer..Also just initiating with Leo's R takes practice knowing the range and all that..
Thanks again for the great Response! I already play some Thresh but I find him a bit to squishy when engaging into a 5 man team. I have a feeling that's not how you play Thresh but I am looking for someone who does that. It seems to me that Leona would be slightly easier to engage in lane (B/C E goes thru minions), but why do the pros and high Elo players play Naut? Is Leona is better then why would they play Naut? Also if Naut is better at high Elos, why did Vulcan play Leona in the CG vs TL game? Thanks for the response!!
CurS1VE (NA)
: this is actually not a simple answer since there are a lot of different strengths for a lot of these picks. Example I'd say is some of the champs are better in lane and some aren't and some offer more utility then others. What i'd recommend is finding out where you want to be strongest (in lane or out of lane) and also how much difficult are you ok with. Leona/Naut are very similar so if you can play 1 you can play both but Naut has a little more safety since you can use his Hook on a wall to escape. Leona also has a little more dmg as well but both are good kill lanes if you are trying to ALL-IN early and are very reliant on the ADC to actually follow when you go, which can be extremely frustrating when your ADC is just a pussy who farms and never follows you Galio is personally my favorite but he isn't really a "tank" although he can engage well. His Q gives you a lot of poke in lane which is how you setup his kills with EW, so it's less about locking ppl down for a long time and more about poking them down, chipping away and then when the ppl over step or position poorly you can easily punish them with a EW. Galio is less reliant on his ADC though which is why I really enjoy him since you can really punish a lot of matchups (not all of them though). also the versatility of his R makes it easy to join fights Thresh is something that you should be looking into as well since he is more of a utility based tank but he isn't as 1 dimensional as Leo and Naut who once you go in you are in and it's yolo but Thresh you can do similar things but a lot safer and more utility but for sure the ease of executing isn't there, takes a lot of practice getting use to him. Sej and other tanks like Maokai are pretty nice tbh and if you are looking for something maybe a little wild card type of pick then those 2 are very nice, maokai is like a much more simple version of Alistar and if you are thinking of learning Alistar I would just play Maokai or Sej instead since they both have similarities but much simpler and both have easier ways of starting fights or disengaging where Alistar is much more all-in although his knockback can be decent disengage. If you are looking to just be a engage/disengage player and you aren't really concerned about dmg you bring at all then I would do 1) Naut/Leo (personally i like Leo a little more but if you play 1 you can play both) 2) Thresh (i suck with him but if you are looking for something "safe" but can do the same thing as Naut/Leo but also bring more utility with his Lantern for example, then this is a great pick) 3) Sej/Maokai if you are looking to diversify and maybe catch ppl off guard you can punish ADC's with Maokai really easily every time they walk up too close)
Thanks For the great response!!! Are there any more differences between Naut and Leo then you mentioned?
: Nautilus. This guy has everything. Perma cc, good damage, and tanky beyond all belief. There is a reason he is known as the king of crowd control. Also malphite is a good tank support. You use his ult to engage and you build relic sheild, boots, Kings vow, redemption, locket, and zekes. There is nothing as satisfying as ukting the enemy team when you have zekes.
> [{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iyV93d9L,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-24T18:07:57.935+0000) > > Nautilus. This guy has everything. Perma cc, good damage, and tanky beyond all belief. There is a reason he is known as the king of crowd control. > > Also malphite is a good tank support. You use his ult to engage and you build relic sheild, boots, Kings vow, redemption, locket, and zekes. There is nothing as satisfying as ukting the enemy team when you have zekes. Okay! Thanks for the Reply!!
: Leona, she's good at backlining, naut would be the other. Ornn is bad because his passive is level-based and doesn't pop off til late game, as support he can't really get there in this meta which is reflected in his extremely low win rate as support.
> [{quoted}](name=Beerstein,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iyV93d9L,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-24T18:04:01.882+0000) > > Leona, she's good at backlining, naut would be the other. > Sorry, I am still new, what does this mean? Does backlining mean diving like an assassin, but instead of burst damage, you CC them to death? Then that would make Nautilus good vs Tanks? > Ornn is bad because his passive is level-based and doesn't pop off til late game, as support he can't really get there in this meta which is reflected in his extremely low win rate as support. Okay, So orrn needs levels and that's why he is in a Solo lane, similar to Pyke before the change where his ult was based of champion level? Thanks for the response!
: {{champion:516}} Way stronger than people give it credit for
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iyV93d9L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-24T17:52:23.022+0000) > > {{champion:516}} > > Way stronger than people give it credit for OK!! I'll be sure to consider this choice!! Thanks for the quick and simple response!
Rioter Comments
: {{champion:89}} {{champion:111}} both have so much CC, uber tanky, worth a try. {{champion:497}} is good but not tanky enough. {{champion:412}} probably the best tank support when mastered imo.
> [{quoted}](name=1wolfpack,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cAwYpLT7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-22T15:00:22.225+0000) > > {{champion:89}} {{champion:111}} both have so much CC, uber tanky, worth a try. > {{champion:497}} is good but not tanky enough. > {{champion:412}} probably the best tank support when mastered imo. Are leona and Nautlis better than Alistar? Which is the better of the 2?
: Pretty much thresh is your best option right now for a tank support, but he requires a lot of games to git gud on. Rakan has a pretty good win rate on people who main him for long enough as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cAwYpLT7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-22T16:25:34.413+0000) > > Pretty much thresh is your best option right now for a tank support, but he requires a lot of games to git gud on. Rakan has a pretty good win rate on people who main him for long enough as well. Is Thresh really a tank though? When I play him, I seem to get blown up unless I had after shock up, and aftershock only lasts for 2.5 seconds
Xphineas (NA)
: Taric has his E which is a stun, his stun can come off of two people for maximum stunnage. If you get frozen mallet you also slow with each auto. He has an ult which can ult the entire team, he can give everyone 2.5 seconds of invincibility. Hes strong, in my opinion, in lane, and hes fine without a sona, honestly
> [{quoted}](name=Xphineas,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cAwYpLT7,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:28:28.808+0000) > > Taric has his E which is a stun, his stun can come off of two people for maximum stunnage. > If you get frozen mallet you also slow with each auto. He has an ult which can ult the entire team, he can give everyone 2.5 seconds of invincibility. Hes strong, in my opinion, in lane, and hes fine without a sona, honestly Ok, I will definitely consider Taric for my tank!!! Thanks for the advice!!
: Basically the current support meta is don't be a tank
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cAwYpLT7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:44:41.986+0000) > > Basically the current support meta is don't be a tank Ik, (😭), but who is good from the tanks, I don’t trust someone else to pick a tank or a front line, (team, guardian Nami into full ap isn’t a tank), so I will play 2 tanks and Morgana. Morgana is the expectation to the squishy rule as the black shield and and her ult + stais and turn a 2v3 and make their jungler run to avoid stun. I want 1 tank to be the front line and start the fight, the other to save allies, but what you said is true and is the reason I asked this question, because despite the fact that tanks are bad, what are the 2 best tanks that fit my criteria? But thanks so much for the reply!
Xphineas (NA)
: Taric. Taric is a tank support against AD, however hes weak against AP. He usually has 200+ armor and maybe 100 mr.
> [{quoted}](name=Xphineas,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cAwYpLT7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:50:33.487+0000) > > Taric. Taric is a tank support against AD, however hes weak against AP. He usually has 200+ armor and maybe 100 mr. I have been told Taric is a terrible support with out a Sona. They reason they said this is because Taric needs more fold than other supports so while sona is getting the vision quest, Taric gets all the CS and gold. Also while I want to be tanky, I also want to have a ton of CC or a great saving ability. Does Taric Peel or engage? It seems like he would be great with a Hecrim or J4 or some one to cast ult on and a huge stun. Also I donk’t want to be weak during laning phase, but I will think about Taric and research him. Thanks for the reply!
: Not sure what to play anymore
Try GW2.. not really sure if it will be much better than what you already play tho, or Starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 is really fun and it is a different style of game!
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iiGazeii (NA)
: {{item:3123}}
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JpM6LK9d,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-08-05T17:22:34.399+0000) > > {{item:3123}} Ok thanks!! I didn't even know that this existed!!!
: Well, just play someone with heavy damage that can easily evade all of his Q's.
> [{quoted}](name=saphireflame123,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JpM6LK9d,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-05T06:11:29.826+0000) > > Well, just play someone with heavy damage that can easily evade all of his Q's. Who would that be? Which archetype? Thanks for the response!
: None of them. Why did you not even attempt to look up his counters before asking? Top would be Malphite, Fiora, and Illaoi. Malphite takes very little damage from him, and with the MS slow on his Q he's pretty much impossible to hit with sweet spots. Fiora can dance around the first 2 Q's with her Q, and parry the third Q every time for the stun. Illaoi beats his healing, and he isn't mobile enough to leave her effective range if he tries to fight.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JpM6LK9d,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-05T05:31:47.446+0000) > > None of them. Why did you not even attempt to look up his counters before asking? > I tired but I didn't want specific champions, I wanted a champion archetype, so looking it up didn't help. Also I was pretty confused with the results I got.
Tailypo (NA)
: Uh....definitely NOT akali.
> [{quoted}](name=Tailypo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JpM6LK9d,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-05T05:18:25.256+0000) > > Uh....definitely NOT akali. I know not Akali but I meant Assassins. I was just using Akali as an example.
Rioter Comments
: A hypercarry is heavily reliant on gold because they scale less on levels and more on items, because they deal damage with basic attacks An AD caster deals damage with abilities, so they scale on levels and items that buff their abilities --- Kai'Sa is good with a frontline because champions with CC can buy her time to build up her passive (as well as give her some passive stacks on them for free). If there's no one to tank or stop you from getting jumped on it gets really hard to find an opening where you can go in and not be blown up Lucian's range isn't an issue because he has high base resist stats and his dash to avoid cc or damage. He can also use his dash and W to kite back, PTA's proc and your armour reduction from black cleaver is really good for your allies too --- A late game comp will often have a tank toplaner, a midlaner with a big aoe ult and a hypercarry ADC, with a support that can facilitate that ADC to deal more damage (could be a tank supp with peel/cc, could be a healer/shielder with ardent) Champions that are weak in lane will often offer a lot outside of lane when they have items, that's a late game champion A skirmish comp is damage+mobility heavy, so think Jax, Xin Zhao, LeBlanc, Braum, Lucian etc. Stuff that's got damage and a way to get that damage on your health bar --- I'd watch challenger replays, there are loads on youtube where you can learn a lot. I'd also recommend learning to attack move if you haven't
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8dJ2yh7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-09T01:33:10.618+0000) > > I'd watch challenger replays, there are loads on youtube where you can learn a lot. I'd also recommend learning to attack move if you haven't Thanks for all the help (and answering my secondary questions)! Can you explain to me what attack-move is? I thought it was an auto-kite, where it would automatically attack AND move, but it seems like it just attacks? Thanks again for the help!
: Lucian is more of an AD caster, he deals damage with his abilities and passive Kai'Sa is a hypercarry, deals damage with basic attacks In Iron-Gold it won't matter what you play if you can play it well enough, and you will climb. I'd say if you have a good frontline, Kai'Sa is better and can deal more dps in extended fights (Late game-Team fight comp) In more skirmish comps Lucian is better because he's slightly tankier and you build hp {{item:3071}} and lifesteal {{item:3153}} on him (Mid game-Skirmish comp) Kai'Sa is balanced for Pro Play, so I really wouldn't go near her as a new player
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E8dJ2yh7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-08T21:55:08.177+0000) > > Lucian is more of an AD caster, he deals damage with his abilities and passive > > Kai'Sa is a hypercarry, deals damage with basic attacks Can you please explain this more? I am a support main and I do not pick my support based on my ADC (so I don't know the types). > > In Iron-Gold it won't matter what you play if you can play it well enough, and you will climb. > > I'd say if you have a good frontline, Kai'Sa is better and can deal more dps in extended fights (Late game-Team fight comp) Why is Kai'sa better with a frontline? I would have though that Lucian is better with a frontline because of his lack of range > > In more skirmish comps Lucian is better because he's slightly tankier and you build hp {{item:3071}} and lifesteal {{item:3153}} on him (Mid game-Skirmish comp) > How do I know if our team Comp is Skirmish or Late game/teamfight? > Kai'Sa is balanced for Pro Play, so I really wouldn't go near her as a new player I am not really worried about skill floor/ceiling, so this isn't a problem! Thanks for the help!
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iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T17:58:49.011+0000) > > Who do you think will work better for me? I don't have a lot of BE, so this will be the ADC I play for a while. Is Lucian or Kai'sa more rewarding when mastered? I want to play aggressive early but I don't want to fall off late. Thanks for the help! Oh, Kai'Sa is absolutely more rewarding when mastered. She's insanely good, she's just not able to play aggressively early on. Lucian used to be one of the best ADCs, but he's kinda fallen off after the crit changes. He's still got a pretty high skill ceiling and is very fun to play, but I'm not gonna lie to you and say Kai'Sa isn't top-tier. Don't worry too much about which one is "the best". Until you get to like, Diamond+, the metagame doesn't really matter. Play what you enjoy. There are very few champions that are good in both the early and late game. It's kinda how the game works. Most champions either have a strong early/mid game and are looking to end the game before they get outscaled, or they have a weaker early game with a strong late game and are looking to stall and farm until they can win. From what you've said, I think you'll enjoy Lucian more. He's very flexible and works well with many types of supports, he's satisfying to play, and he can be super-aggressive early.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T20:32:12.550+0000) > > Oh, Kai'Sa is absolutely more rewarding when mastered. She's insanely good, she's just not able to play aggressively early on. Lucian used to be one of the best ADCs, but he's kinda fallen off after the crit changes. He's still got a pretty high skill ceiling and is very fun to play, but I'm not gonna lie to you and say Kai'Sa isn't top-tier. > > Don't worry too much about which one is "the best". Until you get to like, Diamond+, the metagame doesn't really matter. Play what you enjoy. > > There are very few champions that are good in both the early and late game. It's kinda how the game works. Most champions either have a strong early/mid game and are looking to end the game before they get outscaled, or they have a weaker early game with a strong late game and are looking to stall and farm until they can win. > > From what you've said, I think you'll enjoy Lucian more. He's very flexible and works well with many types of supports, he's satisfying to play, and he can be super-aggressive early. Okay thanks for all the help! I will get Lucian!
iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T15:54:58.489+0000) > > So You think Lucian is better for me? Even though I am not very good, I still like to play aggressive. Does Kai’sa have longer range? Kai'Sa's range is slightly longer (525 vs Lucian's 500; most marksman have 550), and her W poke range is quite far. Kai'Sa rewards patience and farming. You need to keep the pressure up, but you can't just trade into people and win. She needs items before she can start playing aggressively. Lucian is a bully. He can play aggressively from level 2 onwards. Seriously, aa-E-aa-aa-Q-aa-aa is absolutely devastating damage at level 2. His range is shorter because between the mobility of his dash and the movement speed on his W, he can chase people down to the ends of the Earth. He doesn't just reward playing aggressive, he needs to play aggressive. The only real hurdle for aggressive play would be Lucian's mana issues. If you constantly use your abilities, you are gonna run out of mana almost instantly. This is partially why Lucian builds heavy lifesteal. With a ton of lifesteal, he can trade auto attacks and always come out on top in terms of health, so he doesn't always need his abilities to win trades. But when you see that opening, you can go ham and crush people.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T16:15:47.894+0000) > > Kai'Sa's range is slightly longer (525 vs Lucian's 500; most marksman have 550), and her W poke range is quite far. > > Kai'Sa rewards patience and farming. You need to keep the pressure up, but you can't just trade into people and win. She needs items before she can start playing aggressively. > > Lucian is a bully. He can play aggressively from level 2 onwards. Seriously, aa-E-aa-aa-Q-aa-aa is absolutely devastating damage at level 2. His range is shorter because between the mobility of his dash and the movement speed on his W, he can chase people down to the ends of the Earth. He doesn't just reward playing aggressive, he needs to play aggressive. > > The only real hurdle for aggressive play would be Lucian's mana issues. If you constantly use your abilities, you are gonna run out of mana almost instantly. This is partially why Lucian builds heavy lifesteal. With a ton of lifesteal, he can trade auto attacks and always come out on top in terms of health, so he doesn't always need his abilities to win trades. But when you see that opening, you can go ham and crush people. Who do you think will work better for me? I don't have a lot of BE, so this will be the ADC I play for a while. Is Lucian or Kai'sa more rewarding when mastered? I want to play aggressive early but I don't want to fall off late. Thanks for the help!
iiGazeii (NA)
: Kai'Sa needs to farm. She's a hypercarry. She needs to farm well AND get kills, but if she does, she can totally dominate a game. No game is ever truly over if you're playing Kai'Sa, but you need to play things safe early on. Lucian is the opposite. His early game is one of the strongest of all marksman (second only to Draven), and once he gets a few kills, his ability to win skirmishes over objectives is unparalleled. He does fall off, but he can also close out a game pretty fast if he's allowed to snowball. If you want an aggressive laner, Lucian is your guy, hands down. Kai'Sa can't play nearly as aggressive and needs to wait for item powerspikes before her kit really comes online.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-07T04:35:26.627+0000) > > Kai'Sa needs to farm. She's a hypercarry. She needs to farm well AND get kills, but if she does, she can totally dominate a game. No game is ever truly over if you're playing Kai'Sa, but you need to play things safe early on. > > Lucian is the opposite. His early game is one of the strongest of all marksman (second only to Draven), and once he gets a few kills, his ability to win skirmishes over objectives is unparalleled. He does fall off, but he can also close out a game pretty fast if he's allowed to snowball. > > If you want an aggressive laner, Lucian is your guy, hands down. Kai'Sa can't play nearly as aggressive and needs to wait for item powerspikes before her kit really comes online. So You think Lucian is better for me? Even though I am not very good, I still like to play aggressive. Does Kai’sa have longer range?
: Kai'sa's better in every single way.
> [{quoted}](name=Feel Apathy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pfEiskfA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-07T10:39:33.905+0000) > > Kai'sa's better in every single way. Can you give examples? And which one is more aggressive?
: When its 4v5, you're playing like ass, down 7k, 3 infernal, and the enemy is at your nexus...
This is why I wouldn’t surrender in Ranked!, but in normals, I just want to try things and that is hard if the game flow is off
Copic (NA)
: Please for the love of fucking god buff TF
Okay, I can see what you are saying (I can’t at all see what you are saying). TF is sooo good right now with a TP on a low-ish CD, good Poke and decent waveclear with Q, quick and easy CC or mana regeneration with W, free attack speed for one-hit, and bonus damage with E, If anything nerf him. He has high presence at all levels of play, and can completely take over a game if you use your ult right. Sorry if I miss understood what you meant, as this could just be a joke.
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Blåsigt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T03:16:06.833+0000) > > In addition this could also help his Mid-lane ability. He can max Q and sit back and poke, and with a good knock-up, E > W them. Also what do you mean, “On par with Blitz[crank]”? Blitz has several disabling abilities that make him a superb support champion.
> [{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T06:28:51.814+0000) > > Blitz has several disabling abilities that make him a superb support champion. That makes sense!
Dynikus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-06T03:05:27.009+0000) > > Okay so Draven and just bully the lane? I was liking Lucian (played him on the free rotation! Get whichever you prefer playing honestly, you can do well with any adc. Draven is _the_ lane bully adc and has absolutely stupid damage, but you need good axe control. If you can't consistently catch axes, you'll do no damage and be pretty useless. He's also probably the most feast or famine ADC in the game. If you aren't getting kills, you basically have no passive, and it'll be a pain in the ass to come back from. Lucian has consistently been a pretty strong pick and has a ton of mobility and is really strong early. He's not in the best spot right now, but he's still viable, and will most likely be a top meta pick sooner than later. If you liked lucian, I'd say pick him up, because he is a lot of fun to play.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T04:00:37.274+0000) > > Get whichever you prefer playing honestly, you can do well with any adc. > Draven is _the_ lane bully adc and has absolutely stupid damage, but you need good axe control. If you can't consistently catch axes, you'll do no damage and be pretty useless. He's also probably the most feast or famine ADC in the game. If you aren't getting kills, you basically have no passive, and it'll be a pain in the ass to come back from. > Lucian has consistently been a pretty strong pick and has a ton of mobility and is really strong early. He's not in the best spot right now, but he's still viable, and will most likely be a top meta pick sooner than later. If you liked lucian, I'd say pick him up, because he is a lot of fun to play. Thanks for the response! What do you mean “Lucian is not in a great spit right now”? Also is Draven like Pyke, where if you don’t get 3-5 kills in lane, you struggle? Is Lucian like that? Thanks again for helping!
Blåsigt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:21:30.187+0000) > > I love this idea! It will give Galio **3** CC abilities (which is unique) and will give him more peek power! This would be great!! That is my thought, too. I feel like he could provide support, if in the support role, on par with Blitz. Further, it gives him better control when dealing with enemies at range.
> [{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i8uiIjAg,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T02:04:28.003+0000) > > That is my thought, too. I feel like he could provide support, if in the support role, on par with Blitz. Further, it gives him better control when dealing with enemies at range. In addition this could also help his Mid-lane ability. He can max Q and sit back and poke, and with a good knock-up, E > W them. Also what do you mean, “On par with Blitz[crank]”?
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LelsersLasers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:42:36.616+0000) > > Thanks for the response! Can you do the Poll? Also between Draven and Lucian, who fits my preferred qualities? Again, thanks for the help! It's kind of hard because you are asking for different ADCs. > Meaning they are lane dominate, mobile, and can spread their lead to other lanes. They are not late game focused, so you can take aggressive trades/kill attempts early. All four are strong in lane, Lucian has the superior mobility, Cait has defensive Mobility in her net. Spreading a lead into other roles is kind of subjective. To some it means me using my lead to get them ahead of their opponent allowing us to snowball together and harder as a team, in which really Cait is best at this because she can easily siege with say her mid laner but will be overall weaker in teams of damage then her mid laner allowing them to have a higher probable chance at the kills you may get. Ashe on the other hand excels at roam/ganking with her ult and slows. Draven on the other hand is that champ that will walk into mid and kill the target for himself and snowball himself into 1v5 status. Cait/Ashe are late game champs, Ashe has some mid game with her utility. Draven/Luc are both mid game champions that want to win fast or face falling off, but both also have higher skill expersion, meaning it'll take you longer to get good at them but once you do you can make the game all about you, specially Draven. Draven is a very strong AD in the right hands, he warps games around him, knowing that you have this massive lane bully who can potentially 1v5 the mid game (2v5 considering a good support will follow it's good Draven into any fight and should also be ahead of the curve due to the Draven going ham). I'd say Draven is your best bet tbh, but he isn't a AD that plays for his team, his team plays for him, but if you're somewhat new to League, I wouldn't recommend learning how to AD on Draven, as he is a fairly high skill champion who when put behind often time will feel useless. Once you master him though, like truly master him, he potentially can carry you up to the higher mid elos on his own.
> [{quoted}](name=MrHaZeYo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T03:02:09.606+0000) > > It's kind of hard because you are asking for different ADCs. > > All four are strong in lane, Lucian has the superior mobility, Cait has defensive Mobility in her net. > > Spreading a lead into other roles is kind of subjective. To some it means me using my lead to get them ahead of their opponent allowing us to snowball together and harder as a team, in which really Cait is best at this because she can easily siege with say her mid laner but will be overall weaker in teams of damage then her mid laner allowing them to have a higher probable chance at the kills you may get. > > Ashe on the other hand excels at roam/ganking with her ult and slows. > > Draven on the other hand is that champ that will walk into mid and kill the target for himself and snowball himself into 1v5 status. > > Cait/Ashe are late game champs, Ashe has some mid game with her utility. > > Draven/Luc are both mid game champions that want to win fast or face falling off, but both also have higher skill expersion, meaning it'll take you longer to get good at them but once you do you can make the game all about you, specially Draven. > > Draven is a very strong AD in the right hands, he warps games around him, knowing that you have this massive lane bully who can potentially 1v5 the mid game (2v5 considering a good support will follow it's good Draven into any fight and should also be ahead of the curve due to the Draven going ham). > > I'd say Draven is your best bet tbh, but he isn't a AD that plays for his team, his team plays for him, but if you're somewhat new to League, I wouldn't recommend learning how to AD on Draven, as he is a fairly high skill champion who when put behind often time will feel useless. Once you master him though, like truly master him, he potentially can carry you up to the higher mid elos on his own. Thanks for the great response! Of the 4 you mentioned I still like Draven and Lucian the best. I think I would like Draven but I am not sure I want the game to revolve around me (after all, I am a support player). But I think I could learn to play him. Is Lucian a team player? Also you were right about what I mean by roaming/spreading the lead. I want to walk into a different lane and just kill the enemy lamer. Can Lucian do that? Really to me this is now Lucian vs Draven, can you please provide more detail in that? And again that’s for the help!!
Dynikus (NA)
: Since you said lane dominant _and mobile_, I'd go with lucian. Lucian's not really in a great spot right now though, while draven is top tier and fits what you're looking for as well, just with less mobility. Your ult can also pop someone in a different lane if you time it well.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-06T02:11:41.042+0000) > > Since you said lane dominant _and mobile_, I'd go with lucian. Lucian's not really in a great spot right now though, while draven is top tier and fits what you're looking for as well, just with less mobility. > Your ult can also pop someone in a different lane if you time it well. Okay so Draven and just bully the lane? I was liking Lucian (played him on the free rotation!
Hotarµ (NA)
: The best ADCs to pair with Pyke are hyper-aggressive or high-damage ones such as Draven, Kai'sa, and Lucian. Caitlyn, Vayne, and Xayah can also work really well if they chain their CC properly. The worst ADCs to pair with Pyke are scaling or more passive ones like Ezreal or Varus, although realistically speaking any ADC can work decently well if they play it correctly. ######source: I have 410k mastery on Pyke
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:48:36.938+0000) > > The best ADCs to pair with Pyke are hyper-aggressive or high-damage ones such as Draven, Kai'sa, and Lucian. Caitlyn, Vayne, and Xayah can also work really well if they chain their CC properly. > > The worst ADCs to pair with Pyke are scaling or more passive ones like Ezreal or Varus, although realistically speaking any ADC can work decently well if they play it correctly. > > > > ######source: I have 410k mastery on Pyke Thanks for the info! This wasn’t the answer I was looking for (my question was unclear) but this still will be helpful for my partner in lane!
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: Lucian and Draven are your most lane dominate/Aggro ADs. Cait, and Ashe are both pretty lane dominate as well but they both have iffy mid games (I mean Ashe does have CC out the waazoo but she fits more into the utility AD position).
> [{quoted}](name=MrHaZeYo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EEReFiYU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T01:40:39.278+0000) > > Lucian and Draven are your most lane dominate/Aggro ADs. > > Cait, and Ashe are both pretty lane dominate as well but they both have iffy mid games (I mean Ashe does have CC out the waazoo but she fits more into the utility AD position). Thanks for the response! Can you do the Poll? Also between Draven and Lucian, who fits my preferred qualities? Again, thanks for the help!
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Blåsigt (NA)
: Galio buff idea
I love this idea! It will give Galio **3** CC abilities (which is unique) and will give him more peek power! This would be great!!
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