Eybdoog (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YjEqkHLT,comment-id=000200010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:02:53.153+0000) > > How many smurfs do you actually believe are in low elo solo queue? I’d say at least 25% of silver players are Smurfs to some degree (gold or better). I wouldn’t be surprised if it was even higher. There’s just not enough new players for that not to be true. At this stage of the game’s development I’d guess most new people stop playing this game early on because of Smurfs. I can say for sure I had a couple friends who I grew up playing football with who I tried to get into this game because of how much I likened it to the competitive feeling of real sports. But they quickly stopped because of how unfun games are when you fall behind they said it seemed like it was a waste of time. I remember they said like in basketball if you are down a lot in the first half. You can go to locker room at half get your head right come out play your ass off on defense and start hitting shots and actually come back. But in this game early leads are cancer and you’re just waiting to die (lose). I guess in a way smurfs aren’t the only problem there is also an overall game balance problem relating to early leads but... Anyway. Yeah. Smurfs are a real problem.
Well when i asked about smurfs i was referring to players of diamond+. Because even in plat those players are still considered low elo players, but lets go with what you said. At best if every single player smurfed from gold to challenger players, youd have 42% of the playerbase smurfing 27% of that 42% coming from gold. So the only real way a smurf is really messing up your game consistently is if you're landing that other 15% because im gonna be blunt about this. A gold smurf is not going to carry a silver game. He'll definitely do well but he wont solo carry 1v9 where there's nothing his opponents can do. https://na.op.gg/statistics/tier/ Stats for the tier ranking. This being said not every player smurfs and id actually venture to say maybe 50-60% may smurf while 40% may not. so taking that 42% of possible smurfs you're really only looking at around maybe 21-24% smurfs including around 13% of them being the gold smurfs we mentioned before. So the chance of actually running into a smurf that'll cause issues in a game where it becomes swayed greatly in their favor is about 8-11% of the time. Which is once every 10 games. The fact that he can be the enemy team or your team means it negatively impacts a player 5-7%, which would be 1 in 20 games roughly. I really doubt you can blame smurfs as a real problem when you auto lose 1 game out of every 20.
Eybdoog (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YjEqkHLT,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-09T04:40:44.024+0000) > > I get that point but think about it this way. Are the smurfs given any extra abilities? They just play better with what theyre given. Thing is it isn't the smurf's fault that the game seems ruined. Its the fault of those who fail to respect their opponents skill level. Its one thing to be behind in a game but when a player or lane on your team dies 9 times in 7 mins (random numbers) you cant blame the smurf for that. They continue to fight and play like theyre on equal footing with their laner. At the end of the day its the lack of skill on the team's side against the smurf. Let me pose this question to you, if a player only plays normals for 400 levels and gets to the skill level of a diamond player but is placed in bronze prior to the tons of normal games. Do they ruin the game as well if they rank? Naturally in the case of the smurf as well they will move up quickly and most smurfs are master level. Majority of them are tilted plat players who arent any better than silver players and tend to just complain often. > > To summarize we all start with 500g, 2 summoners, and the champion of our choice. Its how we use those tools we choose that determine the outcome of the game. The problem is that it's impossible to balance matchmaking skill level with so many smurfs. Respect the game. Play normals if you want to stomp. Let Silver Players play ACTUAL Silver Players and stop ruining the competitive integrity of the game
How many smurfs do you actually believe are in low elo solo queue?
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YjEqkHLT,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-07-08T20:06:18.749+0000) > > Wait how is he ruining other players' experience? By circumventing the system Riot put in place to place you in games according to your skill level. That system is broken enough already without factoring in smurfs. You're Gold 4 - does it not basically ruin your experience when you get a boosted bronze player on your team, or when you go up against some Master-level smurf on the other side that steamrolls your entire team? I'm hardstuck S1/S2 and I have enough trouble winning games without the help of smurfs on the other team. And inb4 "git gud" comments - my goal is to hit gold this season. I've lost multiple gold promo games that included smurfs on the enemy team, toxic duos, AFKs, and all the other crap that makes matchmaking a crapshoot. It sucks to have an entire game wasted (often-times making it so that you have to play 1 or 2 more games to get back to where you originally were) just because some nerd who can't compete in his own ELO wants to squash some noobs. I get that it's not against the rules, but that doesn't mean you're not a complete douchebag for doing so.
I get that point but think about it this way. Are the smurfs given any extra abilities? They just play better with what theyre given. Thing is it isn't the smurf's fault that the game seems ruined. Its the fault of those who fail to respect their opponents skill level. Its one thing to be behind in a game but when a player or lane on your team dies 9 times in 7 mins (random numbers) you cant blame the smurf for that. They continue to fight and play like theyre on equal footing with their laner. At the end of the day its the lack of skill on the team's side against the smurf. Let me pose this question to you, if a player only plays normals for 400 levels and gets to the skill level of a diamond player but is placed in bronze prior to the tons of normal games. Do they ruin the game as well if they rank? Naturally in the case of the smurf as well they will move up quickly and most smurfs are master level. Majority of them are tilted plat players who arent any better than silver players and tend to just complain often. To summarize we all start with 500g, 2 summoners, and the champion of our choice. Its how we use those tools we choose that determine the outcome of the game.
: Just playing for fun? I believe that's what norms are for. You're actively ruining other players experience, but good - I'm so glad you're having fun.
Wait how is he ruining other players' experience?
: > [{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=beqWHrTu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-03T04:12:31.602+0000) > > Malphite-Orianna-Yasuo wombo. > > Every teamfight was someone's pentakill You lie, there is no game where a Yasuo doesen't feed!
> [{quoted}](name=SuicidePlank,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=beqWHrTu,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-03T04:13:33.057+0000) > > You lie, there is no game where a Yasuo doesen't feed! he didnt say it couldnt be the enemy team's pentakill
iPrawn (NA)
: So you are complaining that Riot doesn't check every player's win rate, and then distribute the win rates so that each team has half the good players, and half the bad. Wow look, 12 upvotes on a thread that is literally asking Riot to rig the matchmaking and enforce a 50% win rate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=malc6Xje,comment-id=000300010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T17:45:27.307+0000) > > Dude you're not even reading what im typing to you. > > The image states the CONTENT that was removed. Like inside the warning it tells you what you posted that got removed. I really dont get why you're not seeing that or maybe im not getting what you mean. > > Edit: The op posted "Tencent ruined the game". That statement is what was said in the thread and why the thread was removed. No that was the name of the thread https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/vm6RH6r4-tencent-ruined-the-game See right there name of the thread at the end of the link the OP gave me. Ergo we do not know what was said. And yes I have read every word you have typed. And right there is why I do not believe enough information was given. (Also since the thread was remove the link just leads to an error) They did not put what exactly was said that caused the action.
When they remove a thread they remove it based on the content inside the your content was removed so that was the reason his content was removed.
Falrein (EUW)
: What would Shen and Karma think of Syndra?
Shen would like to get in those syndra cheeks
: How do I carry teammates that are so shit even though I am 17/5/5 we're losing in kills and towers
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=malc6Xje,comment-id=0003000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-27T17:27:04.995+0000) > > I wasnt attacking you i was correcting you. Dont be the guy that shouts toxic because someone made contact with you. > > Your second point I dont really know what you're trying to say because in the image it states, > "Your removed content > Tencent ruined the game > *rest of regular message for all moderation after*" > > So i dont see what you're trying to say with the 2nd point. > > Third, he's saying why is there action taken against a post like that? > > Also theres a difference between lazy typing and clearly using the wrong word. (didn't vs didnt is lazy typing it saves typing one key) > (use of bye or buy doesnt save any keys to type) It was typo of sorts. You know when you thinking one ting but put something else down and do not catch the mistake XD. Anyway, yes it states in the image the thread that was removed. However we do not know what was said in the thread so we can not tell from the evidence shown what was said to cause it to be taken down. In the end I am saying there is not enough evidence to determine whether or not what the op is claiming is true or not.
Dude you're not even reading what im typing to you. The image states the CONTENT that was removed. Like inside the warning it tells you what you posted that got removed. I really dont get why you're not seeing that or maybe im not getting what you mean. Edit: The op posted "Tencent ruined the game". That statement is what was said in the thread and why the thread was removed.
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=malc6Xje,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-06-27T17:11:34.174+0000) > > First off you dont "buy" this. Not bye. > > Second the post is shown inside the message if you ever received this type of moderation from a board post. > > Third isnt even valid evidence to go by. Its like saying "because everyone i know didnt poop today that means you surely couldnt have pooped today." (Would give a better example but i dont want this message flagged) Thank you for attacking me for a typo I am sure you type with 100% accuracy all the time right. Second I looked at the image and their was no post shown so no they do not have what it was that was removed Third..... that does not even make sense I am saying that the evidence that they have provided proves nothing except they got a warning..... a warning. No action was taken. Also you got your ' in some of your words {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I wasnt attacking you i was correcting you. Dont be the guy that shouts toxic because someone made contact with you. Your second point I dont really know what you're trying to say because in the image it states, "Your removed content Tencent ruined the game *rest of regular message for all moderation after*" So i dont see what you're trying to say with the 2nd point. Third, he's saying why is there action taken against a post like that? Also theres a difference between lazy typing and clearly using the wrong word. (didn't vs didnt is lazy typing it saves typing one key) (use of bye or buy doesnt save any keys to type) Edit: Its "there" not "their" you shouldve used btw.
: Yea sorry I don't bye this...... They must have had said something to warrant that action. And if what you were saying was the case half the threads you see complaining about Riot would have been deleted bye now.... and I see plenty of them all the time.
First off you dont "buy" this. Not bye. Second the post is shown inside the message if you ever received this type of moderation from a board post. Third isnt even valid evidence to go by. Its like saying "because everyone i know didnt poop today that means you surely couldnt have pooped today." (Would give a better example but i dont want this message flagged)
Jacadi (EUW)
: OK, Once again u are exagerrating, i only speak about removing the damages of the death mark and u compare it ton GA or kayle ultimate, u just forget (or Don't know ? ) that in late game zed has enough damages to oneshot his target without using his ultimate. Of course, this would be a nerf for zed that go in 1vs5 just to kill their target ( though he still has insane mobility to go in , bait the qss and escape…) + in the late game there is not only teamfight , there is also splitpushing phase where this could help zed opponent without making zed useless due to the difference of cooldown( once again the thing is to use ur ultimate to force the qss utilisation and then escape)
"For the only crowd-control argument, i would say that killing a champion is the ultimate crowd-control of the game." Remember you made this claim not me as a support to your claim on why qss should cleanse zed ult. So no im not exaggerating. Im sick and tired of people's zed accusations because they refuse to dodge a damn skill shot or play using at least 2.5% of their brain. Its annoying as hell that all you guys complain about is zed and yasuo and any assassins for that matter when in reality the game has too much dmg at the moment instead of complaining that dmg in general needs to be nerfed all you guys want to do is push assassins to the point they become unplayable. So chill on exaggerations no one exaggerates more than players that complain about assassins doing too much dmg when thats literally their only role is burst dmg. While mages and adcs are also doing a ton of burst dmg with other perks such as range and cc and no one even complains about them in the slightest.
Jacadi (EUW)
: Wasn't my proposition clear enough? or GA just received a big change during the last patch?...
Let me make this clear then. Killing a target and cc is not the same thing. If you want qss to be a kayle ult say that but sliding it by as it should make zed unplayable isnt the smartest idea. Bringing up the cooldown on zed's ult doesnt help because in a teamfight zed is only going to ult once unless theres an entire chase across the map. So having QSS to remove the deathmark in that one instance makes zed literally useless in the late game again. Furthermore deathtimers are so long in the late game that if you're gonna execute the same target with zed's ult by the time they respawn qss will be up again if not on a 10-20 second cooldown.
: > [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-06-25T20:38:00.749+0000) > > Hold on, doesn't Morde still keep the enemy base stats that he steals for 7 seconds? Only if they die.
Oddly enough you understood the condition of keeping the stats here but refuse to see yasuo's condition on his Q? hmm trolling much?
: if you dash too far forward it can be missed (so dashing when your in the face of your target). And when did i say it wasnt hit kit? I said it can be missed meaning its not point and click. If veigar clicks R on you and you flash you're still gonna get hit by it. You obviously dont understand what conditional means so lets go back to basics. Ill treat you like a preschooler. Theres abilities that can be cast instantly and abilities that need certain conditions to take effect. Vayne's W for example, no matter what the hell you choose to do you arent gonna proc with it with 1 auto only. She has to auto multiple times, again this is a condition. Unlike all of morde's abilities which are just clicked and used. you can make the claim his E is conditional cc but his R is point and click. Since you dont understand this yasuo's tornado is on his 3rd Q. which means he has to stack it either during the fight or prior to the fight and each Q has to be within 4 seconds of the prior Q. Are you seeing where the condition comes from now? Or are you just gonna bitch and cry that you didnt want to use logic in your post.
Again that doesnt imply that ability knocks up every time on his Q it only knocks up on his 3rd Q. Back to the vayne example shes supposed to auto attack does that mean her W has no condition to it? No she still needs to auto a target 3 times to get the proc in most cases (rageblade and her E change that case), but again condition. If met they get the extra benefit of the ability. Why do you refuse to listen to any reason and just sit on your own one way street?
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M1ELQAte,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T21:08:11.214+0000) > > Because there is no argument dude you cant put living qualities on a non-living thing and say its an argument. You think the piece of paper would be happy if you spilled water on it? Like wtf? It's pretty clear you're not going to let me explain the perspective I'm coming from. So I can't even say "agree to disagree" because of how close minded you're being about this.
You're right i am being close minded about this and im sorry about that, but i have a strong firm belief that a non living thing cant have feelings. If you can convince me otherwise I'll gladly agree with you on that.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: no he climbed to GM using the strat mid season, he dropped to diamond because he decayed due to the ban. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/teemo/na/Nubrac he has a positive wr in the past month at a GM level using this strategy so whether its griefing or not isn't really the question, the question is should someone who's strategy is giving their team a negative experience be banned.
Im not telling you this from me. Tarzan asked him how'd he get there and that was his response. Ask nubrac why he'd make himself look like an idiot on that.
: if you dash too far forward it can be missed (so dashing when your in the face of your target). And when did i say it wasnt hit kit? I said it can be missed meaning its not point and click. If veigar clicks R on you and you flash you're still gonna get hit by it. You obviously dont understand what conditional means so lets go back to basics. Ill treat you like a preschooler. Theres abilities that can be cast instantly and abilities that need certain conditions to take effect. Vayne's W for example, no matter what the hell you choose to do you arent gonna proc with it with 1 auto only. She has to auto multiple times, again this is a condition. Unlike all of morde's abilities which are just clicked and used. you can make the claim his E is conditional cc but his R is point and click. Since you dont understand this yasuo's tornado is on his 3rd Q. which means he has to stack it either during the fight or prior to the fight and each Q has to be within 4 seconds of the prior Q. Are you seeing where the condition comes from now? Or are you just gonna bitch and cry that you didnt want to use logic in your post.
Conditional knockup was meant he had to stack to the 3rd Q before hes able to get a knockup. He doesnt get the knockup on demand. Look im not gonna sit here and play this game with you. You can nitpick all you want, Morde is overloaded and they need to gut some of that control he has over his entire kit. Im not gonna keep up this petty debate because you cant understand wording. EDIT: I even stated it in the first post "You left out that morde's ability provides the cc where as yasuo's ability is conditional cc on his 3rd Q so lets adjust that." If you can't read just say it but stop arguing stupid shit, im actually done responding to you. From now on you'll get a post from me anytime you post some stupid shit basically telling you its dumb and no response after that.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: eh on one hand his being a complete %%%% to his teams but on the other hand his not really breaking rules and his winning games at a grand-master level so I don't really know if his breaking rules or not.
48% winrate means he was losing more than winning not to mention we dont know how many of those games he did this strat on and that none of his teammates were down for this. Not to mention he got up to grandmaster abusing the system at the beginning of the year that mmr spike for all players, and all he did after that was drop back to diamond.
: The basic rules of lowelo
You forgot "better jg wins" when it comes from the lanes that fed their asses off the entire game. Or the feeding laner who's still building ad in top lane. We all know you renekton/darius players. Or the guy that picks lee sin and plays for late game and misses every Q.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: Permanently banned from boards
Only Nubrac is allowed to break rules and people support him remember that. Despite Riot banning him too players still say he has support on here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M1ELQAte,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T21:05:20.346+0000) > > I mean you can say does it match her theme or make that claim, but not "how she feels" because kai'sa doesnt have feelings. Its a sprite dude. Or just totally miss the argument I made and repeat what you said as if that somehow refutes what I said.
Because there is no argument dude you cant put living qualities on a non-living thing and say its an argument. You think the piece of paper would be happy if you spilled water on it? Like wtf?
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M1ELQAte,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-25T20:55:56.206+0000) > > You do know you're talking about the thoughts of a character and not an actual being right? Who says we can't make predictions based on the personality shown in a VO?
I mean you can say does it match her theme or make that claim, but not "how she feels" because kai'sa doesnt have feelings. Its a sprite dude.
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=00010000000000000002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T20:49:22.499+0000) > > You know his E-Q can be missed right? And aside from that it requires you to be in melee range of the target within that 4 seconds of him getting access to his tornado. Im convinced you actually don't know anything about league. It can be missed. If they flash maybe. :/ we are talking core kits. Not outside forces. And so what if it requires you to be in melee on a MELEE champion. It’s his fucking kit. The only “condition” is that he uses it. Mordes ult is suddenly conditional cc. Because he has to press r. And you know. It’s right under the 5 key and if he gets really confused he might accidentally alt f4 out of the game. That’s the kind of definition of “conditional” you seem to be operating under.
if you dash too far forward it can be missed (so dashing when your in the face of your target). And when did i say it wasnt hit kit? I said it can be missed meaning its not point and click. If veigar clicks R on you and you flash you're still gonna get hit by it. You obviously dont understand what conditional means so lets go back to basics. Ill treat you like a preschooler. Theres abilities that can be cast instantly and abilities that need certain conditions to take effect. Vayne's W for example, no matter what the hell you choose to do you arent gonna proc with it with 1 auto only. She has to auto multiple times, again this is a condition. Unlike all of morde's abilities which are just clicked and used. you can make the claim his E is conditional cc but his R is point and click. Since you dont understand this yasuo's tornado is on his 3rd Q. which means he has to stack it either during the fight or prior to the fight and each Q has to be within 4 seconds of the prior Q. Are you seeing where the condition comes from now? Or are you just gonna bitch and cry that you didnt want to use logic in your post.
CLG ear (NA)
: Do you think Kai'Sa likes her Arcade skin?
You do know you're talking about the thoughts of a character and not an actual being right?
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=000100000000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T20:42:02.978+0000) > > Do you know the difference between point and click and skill shot? > > An auto attack is point and click. > A lux Q a yasuo Q a Zed Q are skill shots they can be missed. > > So lux can snare targets instantly like ryze? > > Lux has a conditional snare > Ryze has a snare > > I didnt really think you'd stoop this low to try to make a case that now you make yourself sound like you dont know anything about league. His e-q is a point and click knock up. Jesus Christ there is no helping you. I’m convinced you are just trolling at this point.
You know his E-Q can be missed right? And aside from that it requires you to be in melee range of the target within that 4 seconds of him getting access to his tornado. Im convinced you actually don't know anything about league.
: > [{quoted}](name=Trist mid opop,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=00000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-25T17:39:14.907+0000) > > He STEALS 10% of all ur core stats. Okay? You still have your core kit and 90% of your stats. Not to mention you are now an ultimate ability up on him.
You lose 10% of your stats and HE GAINS THEM. so its actually a 20% stat deficit for. target's current attack damage, ability power, total attack speed, maximum health, armor, magic resist, and size by 10%. At best taking an adc turns them into an even squishier target and makes morde hit that much harder while even then still gaining tank stats. Taking the frontline gives morde an 800 hp advantage for tanks that 4k hp. Not to mention around +40 armor and +40 magic resist for 200/200 tanks.This isnt even considering what this does to mages carries if he uses them. +40 ad if he grabs a zed while zed gets -40ad mages lose 80 ap roughly and he gains it thats 2 needlessly large rods. And thats without the other base stats that hes taking. Are you really gonna compare a 3500 gold ult roughly of stats equal to any other ult in the game?
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=0001000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T20:35:38.730+0000) > > Morde has as you put it. > 1.Cc > 2.Damage > 3.Sustain > 4.Tank > 5.Damage immunity > > Yasuo has > 1.Mobility > 2.conditional Cc > 3.Damage > 4.conditional Pseudo tank (shield) > 5.Immunity from ranged anything > > > What's the dmg? for yasuo? You labled dmg than you labeled double crit which is dmg then you labeled low cooldowns which falls under more dmg and mobility. You left out that morde's ability provides the cc where as yasuo's ability is conditional cc on his 3rd Q so lets adjust that. Now lets take a look at base stats morde has 50 more hp at level 1 than yasuo scaling up to 100 hp at level 18. He has more ad than yasuo by 1 scaling up to 15 at level 18. Yasuo has more attack speed by .05 and scales better by 25%. Morde starts off with 7 more armor than yasuo and yasuo scales to be just shy of morde at level 18. Morde also starts with 2 more magic resist that scales at the same rate as yasuo. > > Immunity from ranged anything -Lux lasers velkoz lasers lucian Q. Oh btw this only lasts for 4 seconds on a 26 second cooldown so for 22 seconds hes not immune to ranged attacks but i guess that means he's still immune. Since morde has a shield on his kit lets say hes immune to all dmg, So adjusting the list. Or we can just take them both out ill let you decide that. > > Look at that their both even. Now if we add in morde's ult and yasuo's ult. Yasuo gets dmg on a conditional cc ability. Morde gets a point and click that makes it 1v1 and steals defensive stats from the target. Which do you think brings the more overloaded kit. You can decide which is more overloaded between their ults. > > So if we were to fix up your list it would read, Okay. I’m done with you. If you think a point and click knock up is “conditional” then you have some serious problems dude. What’s the condition? He has to use it? Does that mean lissandra has a conditional stun? Because she has to click on someone?
Do you know the difference between point and click and skill shot? An auto attack is point and click. A lux Q a yasuo Q a Zed Q are skill shots they can be missed. So lux can snare targets instantly like ryze? Lux has a conditional snare Ryze has a snare I didnt really think you'd stoop this low to try to make a case that now you make yourself sound like you dont know anything about league.
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=00010000000000000002,timestamp=2019-06-25T19:33:09.744+0000) > > I mean without his ult he's just as overloaded as those 5. Having cc dmg and sustain. Remember this is without his ult. Those 5 actually need their ults to maintain the same "overloaded kit".The only thing you can argue is mobility which morde gains in tankiness through his shield and regen. Not to mention if we include his ult he steals stats. I’m going to use the yasuo example here. And I’ll do without ults. Morde has as you put it. Cc Damage Sustain Tank Yasuo has Mobility Cc Damage Pseudo tank (shield) High stay efficiency (double crit) Immunity from ranged anything Low cooldowns And And somehow you want to argue Morde is too overloaded?
Morde has as you put it. 1.Cc 2.Damage 3.Sustain 4.Tank 5.Damage immunity Yasuo has 1.Mobility 2.conditional Cc 3.Damage 4.conditional Pseudo tank (shield) 5.Immunity from ranged anything What's the dmg? for yasuo? You labled dmg than you labeled double crit which is dmg then you labeled low cooldowns which falls under more dmg and mobility. You left out that morde's ability provides the cc where as yasuo's ability is conditional cc on his 3rd Q so lets adjust that. Now lets take a look at base stats morde has 50 more hp at level 1 than yasuo scaling up to 100 hp at level 18. He has more ad than yasuo by 1 scaling up to 15 at level 18. Yasuo has more attack speed by .05 and scales better by 25%. Morde starts off with 7 more armor than yasuo and yasuo scales to be just shy of morde at level 18. Morde also starts with 2 more magic resist that scales at the same rate as yasuo. Immunity from ranged anything -Lux lasers velkoz lasers lucian Q. Oh btw this only lasts for 4 seconds on a 26 second cooldown so for 22 seconds hes not immune to ranged attacks but i guess that means he's still immune. Since morde has a shield on his kit lets say hes immune to all dmg, So adjusting the list. Or we can just take them both out ill let you decide that. Look at that their both even. Now if we add in morde's ult and yasuo's ult. Yasuo gets dmg on a conditional cc ability. Morde gets a point and click that makes it 1v1 and steals defensive stats from the target. Which do you think brings the more overloaded kit. You can decide which is more overloaded between their ults. So if we were to fix up your list it would read,
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
Oh? So its okay when you speak your mind, but when i speak my mind Im riding someone's dick? #Logic. "Yes and for every person that's against it there is another who is for it as you can see through the flood of forums where people have been defending Nubrac. " That isnt true at all because under that assumption you're saying if i do this in games over a good amount of games it'll be even with the number of players who want to report me vs the number of players who are fine with it. And i tested this theory myself and did the teemo mid strat its about 80% to 20% with about 8 people reporting me by the end of the every game and 2 people are okay/ dont care if i did it or not. So thats just a false claim you made. "You DIDN'T GIVE ANY AGAIN. Who doesn't like it? Why don't they like it? I can explain it all in one simple sentence" I did give you proof with the video and as to who doesnt like it go play it in games like i did and post your chat log. See how many people flame you. As to why they dont like we'd have to get into the strategy of it and so im not being bias since we cant use any high elo players' opinions, neither of us are equipped with the knowledge to have that discussion judging by our ranks. As for you've gone over, you've literally ignored every rebuttal and point i've made to counter your arguments, literally to the point where you said i was "cherry picking" your arguments. Dude im not gonna debate with you strategy when you dont even understand how arguments work. Ill give you the general layout of an argument. You provide claim. You provide support for your claim. Opposition provides claim/rebuttal. Opposition provides support for their claim or attacks your supporting statements. Reason for this is your support holds your claim up. And each time i told you why your supporting statement is false you called it cherry picking. So no, im not gonna debate that shit strategy with you again. You literally havent shut down any facts at all. If you have feel free to show proof as you requested from me. Your idea of hopping on "high elo players' dicks" is your defense? You tell me to do research. Who knows more about league? A silver player who provides 0 reasoning to nubrac's strategy or diamond+ players. Theres not much to argue here bud. But ill humor this notion that i dont think for myself, so for the last time we're gonna do this. Provide reasons why teemo support mid is a better strategy to win games than the current meta. Show that credibility you talk about and how you think for yourself. Remember this structure, Claim and why its better than the current meta. Each one of your claims should have support and not support like, "it wins games, or ive done it and works." Hard logic. We both are gonna drop the anecdotal bs and the proof bs. Just give me reasons on why this strategy is more effective and why you believe having no adc but an empowered mid/ top laner is better off for the team. Any claims to one lane being more impactful must be supported with logic. Ill even go first and you can respond to what i say. Hopefully i don't have to argue why bot lane and drakes a larger impact than getting a bruiser or tank ahead in top lane but just for a brief overview. Adc is weak early game and squishy, is your team's main dps in the later stages of the game. Adc is range top laners are usually melee meaning they have to get through the enemy frontline to get on top of an enemy carry assuming both teams are playing optimally. Which means top laners have to put resources into defense whereas adcs can get defensive items but need considerably less defensive items because of their range and in doing so will have more dmg output than any class in the game. I'll transition this to mid lane, since this is where the main argument is. Champs have mobility here but are reliant on cooldowns where some can be ranged they're usually centered around skillshot based abilities which due to this dont always land. Where as auto attacks are point and click and come off cooldown alot faster due to the attack speed most adc's build. With more constant DPS being pumped out from the ad carry because their main dmg source has a .5 sec cooldown (being an auto attack with 2.00 atk speed) Where as ranged mages deal considerably less dmg over the course of a teamfight, this means the only way the side with the fed adc loses is if that adc gets picked. Now assuming both teams are playing optimally we'd have to assume front to back teamfighting and in doing so that means the team with more dps wins. And in the case the team with the stronger adc is going to win. Now the idea of flanking and not fighting front to back. This requires an assassin with high mobility in most cases and considering the enemy adc will do next to no dmg from being zoned in bot because they didnt have a support this then allows team's to focus on protection of their own adc while letting their adc shred the enemy team. Again with optimal play from both sides the flank will fail causing the team with the stronger adc to win majority of fights. Not to mention executing an adc as an assassin when the adc is extremely far ahead will mean if the assassin is hit with 1 form of hard cc the ad will just pop him. Not to mention items such as stopwatch, GA, and QSS to protect the adc even if all else fails. Now what about out tanking the enemy. Well tanking is nice and having a beefy frontline can give you more time to do dmg, but at the end of the day tanking doesnt kill anything. And based on dmg output the team with the more fed adc will again end up doing more dmg. So in the case of a fed top laner a beefy frontline wont do anything against a fed adc because even in cases like riven or fiora they still have to go through the frontline to get to the backline which causes them to use a ton of their abilities if they even get there and again theoretically speaking if both teams are playing optimally the melee champion won't be able to get on top of the enemy adc without conditions being met which would involve the team with the fed ad carry to not be playing optimally. I gave you my claim with my logical reasoning. Now you can choose to support your own claim and why this goes against my claim and reasoning or you debunk my reasoning with reasons of your own. I look forward to seeing what a person who claims to think for themselves will say in this situation. Or may you'll choose not to answer at all and that'll show both of us who wasnt thinking for themselves.
Jacadi (EUW)
: Hi, Speaking about Zed... As he now has only 20 s of cooldown on his utimate when lvl 16 and 3 items , it would be nice that the qss removes the death mark again , for an item with 90 s of cooldown that seems fair. For the only crowd-control argument, i would say that killing a champion is the ultimate crowd-control of the game. Have a nice day!
So you want qss to be a another GA?
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T02:57:42.348+0000) > > I’m aware. But their reasoning was because it mad specifically zed and fizz ult worthless. So why is it okay for it to do so to only these specific champions. Because loss of control over your character is what the QSS was designed to fight, not the damage. It didn't make sense that, although QSS is suppose to be there to be the counter to CC, it was also cleansing the damage portion of these abilities as well. It was acting as pure damage prevention in these situations before the change. Even in Malzahar's situation the damage is still happening after it's been cleansed now.
Id actually be surprised if he responds to this. He tends to ignore logical claims like this or just completely pass them with rhetorical or anecdotal comments.
: > [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7b01gAg,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T11:48:38.801+0000) > > nice joke Yasuo? Akali? Irelia? Ekko? Aatrox? You’re actually about to argue he’s more overloaded than these 5?
I mean without his ult he's just as overloaded as those 5. Having cc dmg and sustain. Remember this is without his ult. Those 5 actually need their ults to maintain the same "overloaded kit".The only thing you can argue is mobility which morde gains in tankiness through his shield and regen. Not to mention if we include his ult he steals stats.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
I am thinking for myself, problem is you're not planning on listening to me because i need credibility. Where do you want me to get credibility from? And theres more than just those 3. Tons of people are against nubrac's "off-meta strat" which Riot looked into and figured out he was just trolling famous streamers. So stop riding nubrac's dick and think for yourself man.
: We’re updating our policy so unusual play styles don't get 14 day bans
1. So now instead of a 14 ban we get a 2-3 day ban for non-meta picks nice. 2. You still haven't specified specifically what is the "actual" trolling part and what isnt. Just a bunch of vague answers that if ran against a player with a troll build wouldnt say anything. Take for example ap zed. Am i trolling for that? Its obviously a terrible build, but based on your standards if i build it its okay as long as i dont greif my team with it? What does that even mean? Like id already be playing like shit or so terribly safe that im a nonfactor is that greifing my team? Because then terrible players who just got stompped in lane would fall under the same category, are they greifing? We need a much more specific answer.
Kei143 (NA)
: No... Nubrac was punished for using an off-meta strategy in bad faith, as he mainly used that strategy while there were big streamers in his game to get reactions from the streamer's viewers.
So? Because theres a streamer in your game you cant do your strat?
: Nb3 got banned for abusing his power the teemo got banned for grifing. He refused to communicate with his team because and thats why its an ok ban
Exactly and thats why im going to tell my team and champ select and all the poor souls who trust me well rip to them LOL
Kei143 (NA)
: You know both of them got banned right? Nubrac for griefing, NB3 for verbal toxicity.
Yes but only because he didnt tell him team what he was doing.
: This isn't extremism. Extremism is calling a riot member to ban someone for you. I will still keep my stance that Nubrac was effectively griefing, but I will also maintain my stance that NB went BEYOND ape shit, and that's *also* not acceptable.
You mean contacting Riot on a system RIOT set up for streamers called the LPP with a channel to report greifers? Thats extremist?
Ludicol0 (NA)
: I never called him a high ranking player? reading comprehension:0
"If you're going to try to comment about skill for high ranking players don't be an iron4 toxic player capeesh?" I didnt say this, you did.
: Didnt Nubrac explain his strategy on stream ? (tho not in league chat)
Yea, and it was a terrible strategy. Tarzan shut down his entire "off-meta strat" in less than 5 mins with no rebuttal from nubrac.
Rioter Comments
: You consider off meta strategy* griefing?
It isnt off meta its greifing. If it isnt greifing explain the logic behind the strategy. And remember when doing so, keep in mind bot lane is the most important lane to win. Explain its pros and cons over the current strategy and why theoretically it would be better. If you can't do that then dont call it a strategy.
: Try forming a coherent response and maybe I will respond.
What did you not understand? Im really beginning to think you are. You said "Something is wrong when you see one champion out of 130 or however many nearly every other match. How does Riot not see this?" I asked you if theres an issue, what is the issue and what do you want riot to do about it. Because you also said "DID I SAY HE WAS OVERPOWERED? No, I didn't Just more assumptions by the bright people on these boards." Do you not know the shit you say or something?
T2K Baka (NA)
: that doesn't excuse nubrac's behavior to his team. Ruining the game for 4 players. What makes him more special than 4 players?
Just ignore him man he doesnt put any logic into his posts he just mudslings against anyone hes arguing with. Literally hes not worth your time.
: He showed it when he got banned, it had 1 GAME IN IT! What part of that do you not understand, the info is out there you are just to stuck in your belief to search for the truth.
He also agreed that he's been reported by many players so *shrugs* anyways im not gonna argue with you because its irrelevant. When i got a 14 day suspension for calling someone the f word. It showed 3 games despite i hadnt said a word in 2 of the 3 games. Not like the system is consistent.
Ludicol0 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GuAdjnLO,comment-id=0021000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T17:56:24.930+0000) > > How many other ways is there to say it. You called him a bronzie and boosted to diamond while you're a support player who sits there and literally supports their carry to get carried to their elo. Im saying if you're gonna call the guy trash at the very least be better than him. are you stupid? being a support doesnt mean "hurrdurr do nothing and be carryyyy" to be a support means you HAVE TO SUPPORT like a pillar holding up the building that is your team. Without a good support even the best adc will be forced to afk farm under tower while trying not to int. If you're going to try to comment about skill for high ranking players don't be an iron4 toxic player capeesh?
Skill for what high ranking player? You called him boosted now hes a high ranking player lol make up your mind. And sorry you took that as flame when it wasnt intended as flame. I was only saying you have 2 carries on your team and you're not playing either position and yet calling others trash who are better than you. So shrugs have a good day buddy
: Maybe with 1.2k+ crits on every auto + 20% lifesteal while Sion has 0 armor built. Bruiser Sion is dealing an extra 200+ on each auto. Lethality Sion is dealing the above plus an extra ~30% total damage.
Crits will never deal 1.2k dmg unless amped by something else. (4th shot jhin, headshot cait, or something else regardless bruiser sion can not be face tanked and lifestolen on.)
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