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: Bad luck isn't a bug delete this post
you seem to miss the fact that I've played over 100 urf matches and have gotten the same 7 champs. Thats statisticaly improbable; as well, others have mentioned the same issue.... its a bug. 100 matches 22 champs owned 14 random champs (I own 0 of them) 36 champs total 1/36 chance to get same champ got evelynn 5 times in a row... thats 1x3.874 x10^-10.... I have better chances of winning the mega millions!
Rioter Comments
: Like I said, you're entitled to be frustrated. Having a teammate like that Trist is a frustrating situation to be in. I don't even fault you for losing your cool a little while talking to trist. But you did ask the boards what in your chat could be seen as punishable. UR explained it - fairly accurately - based on what the boards community knows about the punishment system. They answered your question to the best of their knowledge. I get that it's easy to feel blamed and it's easy to think of what they said as just finger pointing, but you've got to take a breath and set that instinct aside for a moment and focus on the facts among what they said. The system saw that you kept berating the Trist longer than would be necessary for constructive feedback. So the system decided you were berating a teammate enough to qualify as harassing / antagonizing them. The system doesn't care if the person deserved it, nor will it care if you did an exceptionally good job of controlling yourself. In the eyes of the system you still crossed lines which the rules state shouldn't have been crossed, and it judges each of us on our own behavior, not the behavior of others. It doesn't compare your behavior to the behavior of others in your game. Maybe it should, but that's a discussion for another time. --- Look at it this way, there's two ways it could go when you address a troll in your game like you addressed the Trist. Maybe they're just legitimately bad and they think they are right, in which case telling them off will make them more defensive, uncooperative and combative. OR they're trolling and they _want_ to make people upset, in which case if you call them on it or give them attention for it then you're just feeding the behavior, adding fuel to the fire - so to speak. Your best bet is to encourage everyone to mute them and then mute and ignore them yourself. You can always report them after the game and the IFS will review them posthaste. And talking to them will only stir up more trouble, regardless of whether they are a troll or a regular player.
I dont think being accusatory and condescending is "answering to the best of your ability". Flat out calling me a "narcissistic jerk" without even getting any context first is pretty myopic, as well as being rude. And then to be so brazen as to say "1 person cant ruin your game" is also pretty absurd and ridiculous. Is what it is. Mute all is definitely my solution from now on.
: I'm usually keen to give sympathy to people in your situation, but I just read the comments section here. You take insult whenever anybody tries to explain what could have been seen as punishable by Riot. Additionally, anytime someone like Yisus says something in your defense you get super buddy-buddy with them. All-in-all this makes it look like you only came to the boards looking for validation, rather than actually looking to learn. People like you are allowed to come here and complain that they feel their ban was unfair. But if you are just here to complain, then say so. That way people don't get you confused with someone who genuinely wants to learn. If you can't take criticism then don't ask for it. > [{quoted}](name=Linuxpenguin2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jngd5gfd,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-11T06:11:29.741+0000) > > Can someone please elaborate where this "toxic behavior" worth a chat ban is?
If that pretentious and hypocritical clown would have presented anything in nearly the same mannerism as you put it, I'd have been far more receptive. Instead its blatant finger pointing with no regard to my feelings on the matter. The chat was mostly response to the tristana trolling my whole team; me venting my frustrations in a fair manner (I didnt fly off the handle, I didn't call him names, I pointed out OBJECTIVE data from the game to explain why we were losing; and at the very worst I stated a fact : he lost us the game). Complaining a bit? Sure am. Its pretty obnoxious getting chat banned for voicing frustrations without resorting to name calling or harassment. Harassment implies I hounded the guy. Response =/= Harassment. "fuck this jungler peice of shit" (after dying being pushed up with no vision) "tristana stop talking please" Right, Im SO toxic.
: > [{quoted}](name=Linuxpenguin2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jngd5gfd,comment-id=0003000000010001,timestamp=2018-06-11T06:51:55.185+0000) > > You see, whats really sad, I came to this forum to get some form of objective quantification of what could be construed as "toxic behavior". Instead, I get soap boxing from an actually ironic, holier-than-thou individual that doesn't even ask for clarification anything, assumes the worst, and is refusing to admit one person cant lose your game. Unbelievable. No wonder RIOT has to be so sensitive with their chat restrictions. Grow up man, I was not toxic, and you're being absurdly pretentious. by your constantly telling about how 1 person can lose the game you are entitling yourself to put the blame on your teammate of course 1 person could lose the game but in the end you're a team, and if you can't make up for that person misplay, the whole team has the blame, as long as you don't understand this you will be toxic again in the future and maybe it's you that has to grow up, since riot seems to agree with the fact you were toxic, while you still refusing to acknowledge it
You realize youre simply being obsequious right?
: > See this is where the one sided chat loses context. The tristana was actually instigating on ME (edit: actually it was to the whole team "my team is such garbage" blah blah) , and I was merely replying. Context doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who started it, if person A is toxic, and person B is toxic back, and both get reported, _person B will get punished just the same as person A._ > And yes mate, 1 person can lose the game... Haven't lost a match due to one person's failings in years. It's a team effort, and you're as much to blame for the loss as Tristana was. Acting like _one person_ and _one person alone_ is the _sole and exclusive_ cause of defeat shows that you're unwilling to even _humor_ the possibility that you might have screwed up somewhere down the line, and that mentality is gonna get you nowhere. Your punishment is merited, and there's no excuses. No "context", no "they started it/i just replied", no nothing. You broke the rules, you got punished, that's it. End of discussion.
You see, whats really sad, I came to this forum to get some form of objective quantification of what could be construed as "toxic behavior". Instead, I get soap boxing from an actually ironic, holier-than-thou individual that doesn't even ask for clarification anything, assumes the worst, and is refusing to admit one person cant lose your game. Unbelievable. No wonder RIOT has to be so sensitive with their chat restrictions. Grow up man, I was not toxic, and you're being absurdly pretentious.
: > See this is where the one sided chat loses context. The tristana was actually instigating on ME (edit: actually it was to the whole team "my team is such garbage" blah blah) , and I was merely replying. Context doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who started it, if person A is toxic, and person B is toxic back, and both get reported, _person B will get punished just the same as person A._ > And yes mate, 1 person can lose the game... Haven't lost a match due to one person's failings in years. It's a team effort, and you're as much to blame for the loss as Tristana was. Acting like _one person_ and _one person alone_ is the _sole and exclusive_ cause of defeat shows that you're unwilling to even _humor_ the possibility that you might have screwed up somewhere down the line, and that mentality is gonna get you nowhere. Your punishment is merited, and there's no excuses. No "context", no "they started it/i just replied", no nothing. You broke the rules, you got punished, that's it. End of discussion.
Buddy you really have no idea what you're talking about. Lol Im sorry but you really dont. 1 person CAN lose you the game, I broke no rules, And you yourself, are being dangerously ironic. Calling me a "narcissistic jerk"? That statement alone is more "toxic" than anything I said in that game.
: > Linuxpenguin2: if you'd have pushed earlier, we wouldnt hav been in that spot Linuxpenguin2: youre down 7 kills Linuxpenguin2: and 3 turrets Linuxpenguin2: and a drake This is more-or-less where it turns to arguing and detrimental chat. It's one thing to mention that a player is behind and should probably change up their tactics, but this is just you putting someone down. > Linuxpenguin2: trist please stop talking lol Linuxpenguin2: buddy Linuxpenguin2: you alone lost us this Linuxpenguin2: yeah Linuxpenguin2: because you single handedly did nothing Linuxpenguin2: trist, youre confusing your lack of feeding for good play. You're bailing when I ganked 3 times Linuxpenguin2: really screwed me over Linuxpenguin2: not pushing turret Linuxpenguin2: really screwed bot lane over Linuxpenguin2: i mean i dont know what to tell you dude And then you start blaming the player. It shouldn't have to be said that this is negative chat. And, by the way, it's more than likely that _everyone_ on your team made bad decisions that led to the L, not just Tristana. Don't act like you lose solely because of one player - you don't exist in isolation from your teammates. > Linuxpenguin2: cant wait to see trists damage If I wasn't going to report you thus far, this would've absolutely pushed me to report you, acting like Champion Damage is the say-all-end-all of a person's skill. This, on top of your blaming and putting Tristana down, you were being a petty, narcissistic jerk who tried to push blame for a loss on someone for an easy out. > Linuxpenguin2: *sigh Linuxpenguin2: I knew it Linuxpenguin2: lowest Linuxpenguin2: did a little more damage than soraka Linuxpenguin2: yeah :-/; Linuxpenguin2: went to gank and he just stood there Linuxpenguin2: didnt push lanes Linuxpenguin2: didnt contest drakes Linuxpenguin2: did no damage Linuxpenguin2: but so proud of that CS, which is actually not very good _And you continue it well into post-game chat._ Yes, this behavior is worth a chat restriction. Honestly, I'm even willing to say it's toxic, which is a fair rarity for me to do. Maybe, in the future, try _**not**_ funneling 100% of the blame into other players and focus on your own play?
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jngd5gfd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06- > If I wasn't going to report you thus far, this would've absolutely pushed me to report you, acting like Champion Damage is the say-all-end-all of a person's skill. This, on top of your blaming and putting Tristana down, you were being a petty, narcissistic jerk who tried to push blame for a loss on someone for an easy out. Reported you for calling me a narcissistic jerk. Thats harassment mate. Toxic behavior all around.
: See this is where the one sided chat loses context. The tristana was actually instigating on ME (edit: actually it was to the whole team "my team is such garbage" blah blah) , and I was merely replying. These were not out of the blue statements. And yes mate, 1 person can lose the game; you really need to step off your podium.
> [{quoted}](name=Linuxpenguin2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jngd5gfd,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-11T06:31:32.419+0000) > > See this is where the one sided chat loses context. The tristana was actually instigating on ME (edit: actually it was to the whole team "my team is such garbage" blah blah) , and I was merely replying. These were not out of the blue statements. > > And yes mate, 1 person can lose the game; you really need to step off your podium. Downvote me all you want, doesn't change this simple fact. I guess me pointing that out is "toxic"...
Ýisus (NA)
: yeah, im not seeing anything
If I was being "toxic" I'd own it, but Im REALLY not seeing how correction/annoyance of poor actions is ban worthy.
Ýisus (NA)
: Where did he harass the tristana? Voicing displeasure / communicating with your team is not harassing someone.
: > Linuxpenguin2: if you'd have pushed earlier, we wouldnt hav been in that spot Linuxpenguin2: youre down 7 kills Linuxpenguin2: and 3 turrets Linuxpenguin2: and a drake This is more-or-less where it turns to arguing and detrimental chat. It's one thing to mention that a player is behind and should probably change up their tactics, but this is just you putting someone down. > Linuxpenguin2: trist please stop talking lol Linuxpenguin2: buddy Linuxpenguin2: you alone lost us this Linuxpenguin2: yeah Linuxpenguin2: because you single handedly did nothing Linuxpenguin2: trist, youre confusing your lack of feeding for good play. You're bailing when I ganked 3 times Linuxpenguin2: really screwed me over Linuxpenguin2: not pushing turret Linuxpenguin2: really screwed bot lane over Linuxpenguin2: i mean i dont know what to tell you dude And then you start blaming the player. It shouldn't have to be said that this is negative chat. And, by the way, it's more than likely that _everyone_ on your team made bad decisions that led to the L, not just Tristana. Don't act like you lose solely because of one player - you don't exist in isolation from your teammates. > Linuxpenguin2: cant wait to see trists damage If I wasn't going to report you thus far, this would've absolutely pushed me to report you, acting like Champion Damage is the say-all-end-all of a person's skill. This, on top of your blaming and putting Tristana down, you were being a petty, narcissistic jerk who tried to push blame for a loss on someone for an easy out. > Linuxpenguin2: *sigh Linuxpenguin2: I knew it Linuxpenguin2: lowest Linuxpenguin2: did a little more damage than soraka Linuxpenguin2: yeah :-/; Linuxpenguin2: went to gank and he just stood there Linuxpenguin2: didnt push lanes Linuxpenguin2: didnt contest drakes Linuxpenguin2: did no damage Linuxpenguin2: but so proud of that CS, which is actually not very good _And you continue it well into post-game chat._ Yes, this behavior is worth a chat restriction. Honestly, I'm even willing to say it's toxic, which is a fair rarity for me to do. Maybe, in the future, try _**not**_ funneling 100% of the blame into other players and focus on your own play?
See this is where the one sided chat loses context. The tristana was actually instigating on ME (edit: actually it was to the whole team "my team is such garbage" blah blah) , and I was merely replying. These were not out of the blue statements. And yes mate, 1 person can lose the game; you really need to step off your podium.
: I mean, did harassing the Tristana constantly magically make everything better? No? Then why did you keep doing it?
Actually, the tristana was consistently trash talking the entire team the entire game. Im fairly confident she got a chat restriction as well due to the very quick instant feedback report I got. Also, please point out the "harassment".
: "Toxic Behavior" ... where?
If THIS is considered "toxic behavior" worth a chat ban, then Im seriously going to just mute all every game. Holy cow.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Linuxpenguin2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mN4NhTtp,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-09T03:36:10.388+0000) we had WW, maokai, and jax vs karthus, xerath, velkoz, vayne, and lucian. It was the most unfun game possible. Never knew Arams loaded 3v5s.
You're right. It was a 2v5.
: What's the difference between me and others playing the game and flaming? I actually think it's hilarious to watch people flip out. I lose as much time as anyone else playing the game.
> [{quoted}](name=jimmyjames109,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A3JjoEI7,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-06-09T03:01:58.268+0000) > > What's the difference between me and others playing the game and flaming? I actually think it's hilarious to watch people flip out. I lose as much time as anyone else playing the game. because you gain no intrinsic benefit over watching suffering of others. Its a pretty simple concept
MeowGath (NA)
: Turrets in 8.11
> [{quoted}](name=MeowGath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I7mwRxiO,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-08T14:48:27.690+0000) > > So just to review: > > Inhibitor turret health: 3600 -> 3300 > Nexus turret health: 3600 -> 2700 > Total turret health loss: (3 x 300) + (2 x 900) = 2700 > > Maybe I sound crazy, but turrets were somewhat weak before and now the two turrets mentioned above have become even weaker. Can anyone explain to me why such nerfs where needed? Xin with just 3 items kills turrets in 7 hits. (trinity force, warrior, and random damage item).
: > purists will complain about how its "random" If anyone is saying that ARAM is at all random, then they are mistaken. It is random for only about 50% because it pulls from a intentionally stocked limited pool of specificly OP champions that players make accounts for.
Aye; Im aware of these "stacked" accounts that only have "good" ARAM champs in them. Auto balancing would be ideal; but I dont see the harm in allowing a team forfeit before the match starts.
: He never got his accounts back, it was an ID ban, et cetera.
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115013815928-Understanding-ID-Bans more severe than a permaban
: He never got his accounts back, it was an ID ban, et cetera.
Not sure why I got neg repped. Literally what happened. He was banned on all his accounts, all subsequent remade accounts, and recently culminated with Riot pardoning his sins. https://www.riftherald.com/culture/2018/1/4/16850598/tyler1-unbanned-lol-reformed Downvote me all you want, doesn't change this fact.
: What's the difference between me and others playing the game and flaming? I actually think it's hilarious to watch people flip out. I lose as much time as anyone else playing the game.
because you gain nothing by watch others suffer. Also, 99% of players play to improve and enjoy the game. the 1% of trolls are the outliers, and are frankly weird. Kind of pathetic you have nothing better going on in your life, where you have to resort to these tactics, but if it keeps your depression at bay, I guess so be it.
Rioter Comments
: I'm trolling in numerous games with not even a warning
Instead of flaming, I have to ask "why are you doing this"? How does throwing your own matches benefit you, as a person? Im aware of misery loves company; and Im sure you feel justified in some "if others can do it, why cant I" mentality... but typically I feel these behaviors are reflective of your actual persona in real life. If you give up this easily on a video game, kind of makes me wonder what you are doing in real life that follows. There is one luxury in this world that no matter how rich you get, you will never get more of -> time. You are literally wasting yours and others time. Think about this before continuing your self destructive path.
: > [{quoted}](name=Howl09,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bWaHjfKs,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-08T19:32:26.944+0000) > > If i was to be unbanned i would want a chat restriction to prevent myself from talking. You will not. Every test Riot has ever done in this directon was a colossal failure. Unless there was a mistake, permabans are not reverted. Do not get your hopes up.
Tyler1 says otherwise.
remakoro (EUNE)
: >So I'm currently level 13... from level 5 to 13; EVERY SINGLE GAME has had at least one amazingly toxic individual And that person is you?
> [{quoted}](name=remakoro,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0l0GZnNi,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-05T19:59:55.551+0000) > > And that person is you? thank you for proving my point. You are definitely part of the problem with this community.
Rioter Comments
: leveling is where all the perma'd players (scripting 5% and toxic 95%) hang out what an intro to the game.
I sincerely feel bad for the genuinely new players. I watched an Ashe got 0/16 and... some of my teamates were just horrible. Its almost sad tbh.
Esmeralde (EUW)
: I had a game where I was with an Ashe ADC that could CS well, but she was awful at everything else. She would just face tank minions, chase the enemy ADC taking minion aggro and get 3v1'd from roams or ganks because she ignored vision. I tried speaking to the ADC as politely as I could and told her to stop taking minion damage but I got no response. I gave up and went to other lanes to try and help them. The jungler was a bit too aggressive but not completely bad, and the top and mid swain and diana were both doing great. We did really well in mid game and late game but the Ashe got tilted and decided to never participate in any team fight on purpose and never help with any objective. We did win in the end and I got an A+ and a chest on Soraka, but the game dragged on for an hour because of the Ashe, and we could have lost. I didn't report the Ashe because I don't know what Riot's policy is on this.
Sounds like greifing to me.
: No, they don't. The way system works, if you are reported you are flagged for a review in the match you have been reported in. System reviews you, if it finds nothing toxic, report is just discarded. Also, all additional reports in the same match are discarded, that is why it doesn't matter if someone got 1 or 9 reports.
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Xidphel (NA)
: It's simple: normally, that would be a 14-day ban as riot has zero tolerance for this sort of behavior. However, he admitted to have gotten off a 14-day ban. Standard procedure is that any punishment after that is a permaban seeing as you're essentially on thin ice. OP didn't so much break it as smash it with a sledgehammer. Also, "%%%" and "%%%" are derogatory terms for homosexual. Meaning, it's homophobia and therefore, hate speech.
connotations matter. Hate speech vs tacky behavior. Very different things my friend. Lot of bandwagoning about "hate speech". Dude is probably not homophobic at all in real life; its just an easy word to say online.
: since you're blind and dumb to your own wall of text homophobic comment are a straight no-no no matter why or when or how it was used
Actually you are being really toxic my friend; can you calm down about it please? No need to resort to name calling him for being confused about what seems to be a trivial matter taken to an extreme measure.
Xidphel (NA)
: Let's not snowball the argument, alright? What you said has always been viewed as homophobia and, therefore, hate speech.
Using slurs out of context does not equal homophobia. Sorry, but thats not how that all works.

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