: Despite being played by nearly exclusively one tricks, Poppy doesn't even scratch a 48% WR
I don’t understand in what world you live in that poppy is perceived to be a weak champion. She’s an incredibly powerful niche counterpick champion who isn’t even that bad to blind pick. Also in what world were the Riven changes buffs, it’s still a net nerf lmao. Boards wat.
Yets4240 (NA)
: No, actually its still a tiny fraction of her player base that are mains, go and actually check any of the aggregate sites, and see what % of her players have 150+ games on her. Its less than 10%; hell, its less than 4% for EVERY SINGLE CHAMPION, and Riven isn't even ***in the top 20 most mained champions***. In fact, here: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/riven according to his one, she is mained by. . . 1.2% of her players. One-point-fucking-two percent.
League of Graphs has always been wildly inaccurate.
: THIS is what a team fight should look like....
There's practically zero difference between that and some of the pro play fights from current iteration. People are actually being such sheep over this. The game really isn't that different and if you wanted to compare this season to a season that actually felt different, using season SIX probably isn't the right idea.
Bugog (NA)
: Soraka is a high skill champion. If you play too passively, you're useless. If you play slightly out of position, you die. If you play in perfect position, you probably still die. Half your kit is dumpstered by {{item:3075}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3033}} {{summoner:14}} You have no dueling power. Change my mind
: > [{quoted}](name=iwanttobebronze5,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xkLFnAdm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-15T21:24:48.077+0000) > > Didn't she get 2 sec cd on her shiled? If she did it means it has 12 sec cd now. If you see the shield permanently up then you have a huge brainlag my friend:) She was permashielding before with sos. Soooo
Before her CD nerfs she really didn't even build that item. It's been built on her sometimes the last patch or two to mitigate those changes.
: Can we not give buff on champions that do not require it and buff Teemo instead
Riven’s R and W changes already got shelved so people can stop circle jerking.
: Huh. Well that's good to know. Still doesn't excuse the lying by omission people did, but w/e. Ty for keeping us informed.
People on the boards and reddit freak out over every little thing. I honestly don't even think Riot should listen to them at all. But to be fair, even Riven mains didn't want the damage buff. In fact I'd argue riot listened to the Riven subreddit on this one by just normalizing her q again and lowering E CD.
: I love how the boards, in all of their ranting about the Riven buffs...
No one seems up to date on any of this. All of that got reverted. New changes currently are, Q being moved back to 13 second cooldown and E CD being reduced at all ranks by 2 seconds.
: Riven Buffs. LMFAO
Uh.... First off you're sounding crazy toxic here. Second off, they changed the buffs to simple cooldown changes on her e, lowering it by 2 seconds and raising her q back to 13, where it was in the first place. Should keep up to date before you start spitting vitriol.
: The Riven changes might not be as bad as we thought
Should put this is gameplay instead of General. It might get more exposure.
: I honestly thought the first Riven main I played against was hacking
I feel you might be stretching the truth quiiiiite a bit here.
: "we overnerfed riven"
So I guess we just go with your theory and ignore that even her challenger mains are struggling to perform after the most recent nerfs. I think when Viper is calling her “dogshit” and dropping the champ then you know maybe they might have actually overnerfed her?
: People asked why Riven going to get buff sooner or later, Riot answer is Valiant Skin with prestige
Or it could be that Riven, a champion primarily piloted by die hard mains who are very knowledgeable about all her matchups and gameplay, are struggling to even break a 50% winrate since the last nerfs. Even at the upper most echelons of play she’s failing to compete with competition and Viper has even called her “dogshit.” She was very clearly overnerfed, Riven mains are pretty good at rebounding back and recovering from changes to the champ but in this instance it doesn’t seem to be happening, even among the best of the best.
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Lapis (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ioy5K0jj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-20T09:57:08.847+0000) > > I disagree. > > If you are good enough to 1v9 then you should be able to. Fair point. Counterpoint: If you are good enough to 1v9, you should not be playing with these people.
Isn’t that the goal of it. To not be playing with those people anymore? If you carry teams to victory consistently, you’ll climb.
: Unpopular Opinion: Pantheon's rework was great but balance wise, he's pretty weak.
: You forgot the interrupted Q cost no mana advantage. As Soraka one way to "counter" him is to simply silence him while charging the Q, but. If i do, then he lose 0 mana, and his Q got lower CD, than my E. Also E costs 70 mana each. While he lose 0. I would change R a bit to keep the "support" style by making it tower like Assist. If Pyke kills someone with R, then the latest friendly champion will get the kill gold INSTEAD of Pyke. Should Pyke be alone the R passive simply doesn't work. Also i would reduce, or outright remove his health regen when can't be seen. How many assassins can heal themselves outside combat? Without life steal from some way the number is 0. The rest is good. Would be great if he couldn't try to hook 99 times.
Eve heals out of combat.
MS exceI (EUNE)
: In the rewritten lore Swain seized power only after the Ionian war so Riven didn't even know him nor does she know about Noxus' current ideals
Ok, I'm not up to date fully on the rewritten lore I guess.
: ARAM's dodge penalty is 15 -> 30.
This yeah. Aram dodge penalty is triple the normal penalty to discourage people dodging for better comps.
: Riven's ideals and "the pure noxian vision" ?
Riven viewed the true Noxian way as honor and glory through power and combat. Proving ones skill and strength through hard work and determination was her way of life, and what she tried to share with her men. However the chemical bombing that Swain authorized Singed to perform on the battlefield was a total opposite of what she held as her core beliefs. Hence why she regrets her actions, in her new perspective the true honor and Noxian way is lost to a Noxus under Swain. A Noxus that sacrifices both her men and the enemy forces through chemical warfare is cowardly and vile to her. Consider that as well she lost all of her unit before her eyes, as well most likely in quite the ugly fashion and then you have the makings of some serious self hating and regret. I wouldn't say she regrets her service to Noxus, she clearly still loves her homeland, but at the same time she has some misgivings about it's current leadership and the part she unknowingly played into their power struggles. As well she's been living integrated with the Ionans for a while and has learned other ways to view life in her self imposed exile. I imagine that her world view has shifted quite a bit since then and could have affected her vision of "the ideal Noxus."
: What keeps you playing League?
I genuinely enjoy playing it? Right now I’m grinding for tokens in my free time to get that Irelia skin. It offers a lot of unique and dynamic play styles that I enjoy and lots of my friends and my boyfriend play the game so it still functions as a good group activity. Sure balance can be annoying sometimes but it’s never really the end of the world. Most of my champ pool, including my main are what people would consider “cancer champs” anyways.
: ok HOLD THE FREAKING PHONE GUYS LOOK AT THIS Fiora's buff you see up there: 50% - 90% Master Yi's ultimate: 30 / 55 / 80% okayyyy......
Ok but you know it's just the attack speed of two autos right....
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Jd9Rf9Bt,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-07-13T00:32:27.889+0000) > > But the team fight potential of tanks far exceeds the same oriented top laners. > > Renekton is a great example as he is only relevant mid to late game if he has a lead. Tanks aren’t really relevant in team fights either. They can’t stay alive long enough to be of any real impact. Another good example of this is Malphite. He ults in. Gets a 5 man knock up. Instantly dies after because his armor doesn’t get to exist. Now his team is 4v5
If a malphite got a five man knock up then that team fight should be over unless your team is incompetent.
: Yeah, if they go through with this change, Ren will 100% go back to being a good counter to Riven.
Honestly think that is the point. Poppy will just flat out be an unplayable match up and a guaranteed counter pick. Renekton will still be playable into if played intelligently but will have a significant edge in the matchup.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: renekton w changes are in line with riot's new philsophy basically they used a lot of words to say that they want counterpicks to be a thing in league which is why you see leona having flat damage reduction, or poppy countering mobile champions even more, or ahri having her charm stopping dashes again, or kled having healing reduction on Q
I personally think that Renekton changes and poppy changes are aimed at providing more hardcounters for Riven, and champs like herself.
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Satanix (NA)
: I mean, I get the long queue times, and I myself have yet to play a game of this, but have you considered that a lot of the people that are playing this game mode are from other servers, or just the majority of NA likes tactical games? Personally, it isn't a game mode for me so I will steer very clear of it after one or two matches of it with my boyfriend. But other than that, no thank you. If you're wanting to play the game that bad, you will just wait for it. I don't see any difference of a wait time for the queue for TFT vs. when the servers go down and come back up for maintenance. It's no different. You have to remember that you aren't the only one in the world playing LoL. That's what happens when you play a game on online. Especially a new game mode. Wait your turn, simple. The servers can only do so many matches at one time. If there wasn't a limit, nobody would be playing this game at all.
Why does anyone have to wait? If they want to realease a new game mode they should invest in proper server management. It’s rediculous to make everyone wait on something that they’ve released to the live servers, PBE I can understand. But they’re not a small indie company anymore, not for a long time. They have the resources to take care of this.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Luminiferous Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GuAdjnLO,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-06-17T17:12:20.393+0000) > > Malphites problem isn’t his items. Malphite problem is his items, he used to be seen in competitive plays and was a pretty popular pick too. There are champions who have never been on the competitive scenes before why would malphite be the problem?
Because his kit sucks compared to the modern game?
: Hashinshin: MR items are weak, Armor items are too strong
: > [{quoted}](name=Luminiferous Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJgv0YmU,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T23:45:30.871+0000) > > That’s why they don’t keep Gnar decent. The exact reason why, he completely invalidates an entire class of champions when he becomes the optimal pick. > > It’s a very awkward situation, Riot shoved bruiser bot lanes back out of the game pretty fast after they had barely picked up steam so they’ve got no where else to go feasibly other than top (their historically chosen lane,) niche picks as mid laners (usually to counter pick certain matchups,) and sometimes jungle if they can compete with the jungle roster in any given meta. > > Just think of it this way, if Karma or Kennen got chased out of top lane they’d still have places to go. If Darius or Illaoi (for example) get chased out of top, then they’re just out of the game, as a most extreme example. ok so in this ideal world where toplane is melee only where do the likes of {{champion:150}} {{champion:17}} go? cuz afaik they got no decent other place to go. I play teemo bot but i'm silver, that shit don't work in high elo.
I already answered this. Teemo and Gnar are kept in bad states intentionally. They're designed to go top, but then Riot realized that it's an incredibly unhealthy playstyle to be against. Although in teemo's case... he's kind of just an old meme.
: > [{quoted}](name=Luminiferous Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJgv0YmU,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T20:17:31.100+0000) > > Klepto ranged top with gauntlet isn’t intended. It’s just what certain champs do to easily abuse melee matchups in a setting most optimal where they cannot be easily punished. > > It’ll get nerfed, just like Viktor top, it’s not healthy for the game and just blanket supresses an entire class of champs. if {{champion:150}} was a decent champion again you know these same threads would pop up about him. This shit happens to other champions who mainly go top and are ranged. If "toplane is their lane" goes for melee's why doesn't it go for them?
That’s why they don’t keep Gnar decent. The exact reason why, he completely invalidates an entire class of champions when he becomes the optimal pick. It’s a very awkward situation, Riot shoved bruiser bot lanes back out of the game pretty fast after they had barely picked up steam so they’ve got no where else to go feasibly other than top (their historically chosen lane,) niche picks as mid laners (usually to counter pick certain matchups,) and sometimes jungle if they can compete with the jungle roster in any given meta. Just think of it this way, if Karma or Kennen got chased out of top lane they’d still have places to go. If Darius or Illaoi (for example) get chased out of top, then they’re just out of the game, as a most extreme example.
: > [{quoted}](name=Luminiferous Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJgv0YmU,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-16T19:49:18.420+0000) > > How is playing bruiser roster toplaners “abusing” them? Playing them in their intended roles with intended plays types is baddd? How is playing ranged toplaners abusing ? Playing in their intended roles with intended playstyle is bad?
Klepto ranged top with gauntlet isn’t intended. It’s just what certain champs do to easily abuse melee matchups in a setting most optimal where they cannot be easily punished. It’ll get nerfed, just like Viktor top, it’s not healthy for the game and just blanket supresses an entire class of champs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Luminiferous Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oyxh21QE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T19:46:17.519+0000) > > Have you considered that Gangplank is hardcountered by Riven, and has been so since the dawn of time? Have you considered that I don't only play Gangplank? She can even dominate Darius Matchups now, which she should hard lose. Just like Renekton.
Those have always been traditionally skill matchups. Renekton being on the tougher end, Darius being on the easier end.
: i personally love that top is in chaos I'm tired of people abusing renekton or aatrox or riven or darius or illaoi I'm glad their world has gone to chaos. Now I can j4 top again.
How is playing bruiser roster toplaners “abusing” them? Playing them in their intended roles with intended plays types is baddd?
: > [{quoted}](name=Cloud273,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oyxh21QE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T18:20:24.070+0000) > > Even if Riven doesn't build this item she still has all these things lol. Is it really the item that's the problem, or Riven herself? How about both. :o
Have you considered that Gangplank is hardcountered by Riven, and has been so since the dawn of time?
: Riven is a high skill champion
https://m.u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build Don’t use anything other than U.GG for accurate data, to a degree of course. Riot stated a while back that U.GG is the closest to their own internal data.
mkwstar (EUW)
: Riven's winrate has been climbing up frighteningly fast, now surpassing 52% as per lolalytics. When will she receive cold, hard nerfs instead of a power-neutral pseudo-nerf?
Use U.GG. https://m.u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build Riot stated a while ago that U.GG matches their internal data the closest of the third party data aggregation sites.
: All ranks isnt very reliable when it comes to getting a good idea, only time it tells you anything is when a champ is nuttily broken for the majority of players. Better to just look at plati/dia and masters each to be sure, maybe gold too depending on each case.
Didn’t riot just say that they’re going to start balancing champs for all ranks now?
Poske (EUNE)
: Q is her most important ability. E max no longer exists
What about the Panth matchup? I know for him and a few other poke oriented lane bullies the plan usually was max E, farm, then outscale. With room for an all in after six if they make a mistake.
Poske (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aarron,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u8BNq9W0,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-05-15T14:24:22.286+0000) > > Q max has been the standard since before the changes I dont disagree but the W and even E max were kinda popular atleast in high elo Boxbox for example often Maxes W The best riven mains often max E average league player is fking poop idc how this changes impact average riven players. > Many new Riven players jumped onto her you claim, yet her pickrate is lower than last patch? > https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build Wow even her most used setup is trash. Aftershock is her best keystone, what is this delayed fking keystone setup. BuuUTUT TEHhes stats many people compensate their lack of skill on riven by picking busted aftershock. Look I main riven (Around 1000 games on her), this is a buff I wouldn't be shocked that with lower Q cooldown and longer E cooldown W max becomes standard on her.
Most people I hear are testing Q max with 3 points into W before maxing E. I highly disagree with you about it being a buff, I stopped playing rank at plat 3 (so I’m no where special on the ladder) and trolled a bit during positional que but I’m in no way unknowledgable on the subject of Riven. If anything this is a power shift, but the end result is less skirmishing than before, less control over trades and less outplay in those close fights. You still want to max Q unless in specific poke oriented matchups, but your e is less frequent now even with E max so it hurts that performance significantly if you do have to play against those bully lanes.
Poske (EUNE)
: wait until everyone swaps to Q max then watch the stats Many new players jumped on a riven because this is a buff
She already was Q Max. No one jumped onto Riven because it's a nerf, don't be ignorant. The FOTM players are leaving her in fact to move on to the next big thing. You're probably gonna see her move to the jungle because of how harsh all of her toplane matchups are now, or possibly mid. The Q buff is really good for clearing camps more often lol, but without her shield up as much it's not very good to keep trading with people now. I'm guessing electrocute might come back so that she can just oneshot squishies before being bursted. Or her playstyle might just stay the same and be worse overall by a decent margin, who knows. Main's will figure something out.
: "why did you buff riven riot"
My post pointing out people’s freaking out for no reason got downvotes to hell. Even with her seeing massive performance drop people are too emotionally invested in hating her. I don’t mind that she’s nerfed, I just want people to accept that fact. There are still “Riven OP” posts coming out and I think that’s bonkers.
: Rivers problem is still not addressed
: So then that means the Vayne changes and rageblade changes had a huge effect on Vayne (they didn't)
Vayne wasn’t hit “as hard” when you look at the data, I imagine the benefit of being a ranged scaling carry does lessen the blow as she still maintains her safety, since the nerfs weren’t a hit to her survivability like they were for Riven. That being said, the changes to her as rageblade did bring her down in a meaningful way. It’s pretty obvious Riot hit the mark with their nerfs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi im a Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u8BNq9W0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T21:25:46.292+0000) > > That’s not the point. > > I’m not afraid to play her after nerfs. I’m just saying people get too hot headed and self inflated over their opinions and feelings when they try to be armchair devs. The nerfs seem pretty justified to me. We will see were they land after a week im sure.
Nerfs are justified, but my point is that people just complained the whole time saying they wouldn’t do anything meaningful, when they clearly have.
: *Looks at Op.gg* Yea this thread isn't bias AT ALL
I’m not mad about her getting nerfs. This isn’t me saying that. What I’m saying is everyone was making poor statements about the changes without proper knowledge to back them up.
: aw im sorry do you actually have to be good at riven to play her effectively now? i'm sorry your champion got nerfed. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
That’s not the point. I’m not afraid to play her after nerfs. I’m just saying people get too hot headed and self inflated over their opinions and feelings when they try to be armchair devs.
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