: Why are smurfs so toxic?
Because players in general on this game are incredibly toxic and riot does very little to actually stem this problem. The simple fact is riot just doesn't care that much because it doesn't effect their bottom line. Honestly if LoL ever dies out it'll most likely be due to their indifference regarding player behavior.
Cybros (EUW)
: Bring back Nidalee to lane?!
Fucked long sniper nidalee back where she could one shot with a spear. If we're talking about old stuff they need to bring back they should bring back old poppy.
: Players should allow to leave without penalty when another person quits
I actually agree. If it's a 4v5 I don't see why I have any reason I should have to stay.
YK0B (NA)
: Matchmaking / Discpline
You're right the game has been declining. But its because of players like you. Toxic players who have to ruin the experience for everyone else. Let people try new shit. Learn to enjoy the game. If you're gone then good that's one more toxic player out of many that should not be allowed to play games until they deal with their personal issues.
: Add mute options to post-game lobby
I honestly think the game would be a lot less toxic if they just removed the chat system entirely. Maybe out of 100 games you'll get 1 or 2 without at least one toxic person. It seems pointless to have.
: [Skin Concept] Bee Poppy
Meh honestly I don't think it's a good fit for her. Teemo sure he has poison there's a loose connection but I don't see it with poppy. It just seems like two random things put together. That being said i would enjoy calling it boppy.
: Is riot even doing anything to punish toxicity?
Yeah i see like 3 players banned a day. They do a ton about toxicity. They care about the players completely. Their game is never buggy and they listen to anything the PBE says. They have the least toxic game i've ever played its honestly really impressive.
: Why is everyone triggered over Neeko being lesbian???
Meh i don't get the issue with Neeko honestly. I had far more of an issue with them retconning varus. I don't like the idea of them retconning a champion to fill some sort of quota. Making a new champion who's gay or straight or whatever is perfectly fine to me.
: They should remove rank from people for being punished
I like it. People are toxic and need harder punishments.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tanklett,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=N7Z3VmWn,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-22T04:14:26.173+0000) > > Is it possible I'm not getting notifications for bans after I report players It's this. Riot won't notify you of every successful punishment resulting from your reports.
> [{quoted}](name=Ice Weasel X,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=N7Z3VmWn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-22T04:16:32.036+0000) > > It's this. Riot won't notify you of every successful punishment resulting from your reports. They should so it seems like they're doing SOMETHING. Because right now it doesn't seem like they're doing shit.
: So Marvel will be publishing a comic series about League of Legends.
Marvel's comic's over the past few years have been complete garbage. Keep expectations very low.
GenoXx (NA)
: So what's next Riot?
Now there's definitely pandering in some games. Where they change a character's sexual orientation for no reason. Or when they withhold that information intentionally at a later date for some sort of shock value bt this isn't it. Who cares if she's gay or not. If it doesn't affect the game then it's really of no particular importance. Beside's i'd far rather them create new champions that are whatever they want then retcon old champions.
Thuban (NA)
: Newly Released Champions Should Not Be Bannable
Nikzis (EUNE)
: Please help!The game freezes on champ select and i cant do ANYTHING.
: Obviously light taps aren't the only thing. If someone repeatedly earns chat restrictions, it should turn into a ban. Honor demotions are also impactful if they're more frequent. Dropping from honor 5 to 4, to 3, to 2, in the span of a couple weeks both punishes those that continue, while also giving room to turn around and earn it back. And it isn't going to be hard to detect people that try and abuse that, and then drop them straight to 1. But letting people sit and misbehave, and then smashing them in one go after it's built up just gives a sense of "well, the damage is done, and there's not nearly enough time to regain my rewards, so there's no point in improving." It also makes it look like "Well, I've been misbehaving for this long with no consequence, I can probably just do it again once i'm off the radar." It isn't about tapping their wrists over and over, it's starting there and escalating when improvement isn't shown. You don't answer the first sign of punishment by drilling your elbow into their stomach.
> [{quoted}](name=Sylven the Thief,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WAIvA6u4,comment-id=0002000100010000,timestamp=2018-11-06T19:34:25.638+0000) > > Obviously light taps aren't the only thing. If someone repeatedly earns chat restrictions, it should turn into a ban. Honor demotions are also impactful if they're more frequent. Dropping from honor 5 to 4, to 3, to 2, in the span of a couple weeks both punishes those that continue, while also giving room to turn around and earn it back. And it isn't going to be hard to detect people that try and abuse that, and then drop them straight to 1. But letting people sit and misbehave, and then smashing them in one go after it's built up just gives a sense of "well, the damage is done, and there's not nearly enough time to regain my rewards, so there's no point in improving." It also makes it look like "Well, I've been misbehaving for this long with no consequence, I can probably just do it again once i'm off the radar." > It isn't about tapping their wrists over and over, it's starting there and escalating when improvement isn't shown. You don't answer the first sign of punishment by drilling your elbow into their stomach. How many games of others do you get to ruin before you face some sort of meaningful punishment? I don't care about the people breaking the rules. They'll keep breaking the rules if all they get is light taps. If people are upset because they've been ruining others games and they get theirs well thats on them. if that doesn't get them to change well they weren't going to change to begin with. I genuinely don't care about those who ruin other peoples games. If they reform that's great but again I don't care. The only way I would say your idea has any merit is if you also had a "If you get this many punishments then you lose it regardless of your ending honor" so that people can't just be toxic as hell and let it drop then raise it back up and do it agian.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sylven the Thief,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WAIvA6u4,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-11-04T07:44:35.101+0000) > > It needs faster, more immediate, and more mild punishments then an occasional "say goodbye to ALL of your work, period, you're gonna have to redo it, and then some." Riot definitely needs to try something different. I feel like whenever there is a dispute about Riot's automated disciplinary system, 60% of the board say "Well, that will never be me, that player must have really deserved it." There are a myriad of different personality types and we're all being forced to interact with eachother. I WANT TO OPT OUT of the Chat system, but instead I had to /mute all in every game in order to avoid difficult situations in the chat for me. I have a problem because I will always speak up when I'm being confronted or when I'm observing some malicious behavior. So Chat is a very bad idea for me and I want to opt out of it whenever possible but I can't get rid of the chat, I literally scaled it down to 1 so that I can barely see it and I still find myself reacting to players who are acting poorly in the game, which usually gets me into trouble as well. In the current system, it takes MONTHS to get out of honor 0, which usually means HUNDREDS of games. That's really hard for a player like myself to get through without having some kind of confrontation with somebody. I know someone's going to say that I'm part of the problem but in 95% of my games I was a model teammate, doing everything I'm supposed to, supporting my team, helping in every way I can, but then I have one or two bad games out of a hundred and Riot's like NOPE, you're getting suspended now! Like, all those good games I had were not even recognized, only measured 1% of my bad games that I had less than great attitude, Thanks a lot Riot This is my first ever year for being suspended I have only had chat restrictions up until this point and I felt like I've finally improved and cleaned up my speech a little and I got reported from a premade team who I'm match made with, I hardly said anything at all but they don't like how I played and I got reported now I'm on my first ban... played 8 years, thousands of games no ban, this year I have ban, something wrong with this system!
> [{quoted}](name=BushidoBlade,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WAIvA6u4,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-11-04T10:32:32.240+0000) > > Riot definitely needs to try something different. I feel like whenever there is a dispute about Riot's automated disciplinary system, 60% of the board say "Well, that will never be me, that player must have really deserved it." There are a myriad of different personality types and we're all being forced to interact with eachother. I WANT TO OPT OUT of the Chat system, but instead I had to /mute all in every game in order to avoid difficult situations in the chat for me. I have a problem because I will always speak up when I'm being confronted or when I'm observing some malicious behavior. So Chat is a very bad idea for me and I want to opt out of it whenever possible but I can't get rid of the chat, I literally scaled it down to 1 so that I can barely see it and I still find myself reacting to players who are acting poorly in the game, which usually gets me into trouble as well. > > In the current system, it takes MONTHS to get out of honor 0, which usually means HUNDREDS of games. That's really hard for a player like myself to get through without having some kind of confrontation with somebody. I know someone's going to say that I'm part of the problem but in 95% of my games I was a model teammate, doing everything I'm supposed to, supporting my team, helping in every way I can, but then I have one or two bad games out of a hundred and Riot's like NOPE, you're getting suspended now! > > Like, all those good games I had were not even recognized, only measured 1% of my bad games that I had less than great attitude, Thanks a lot Riot > > This is my first ever year for being suspended I have only had chat restrictions up until this point and I felt like I've finally improved and cleaned up my speech a little and I got reported from a premade team who I'm match made with, I hardly said anything at all but they don't like how I played and I got reported now I'm on my first ban... played 8 years, thousands of games no ban, this year I have ban, > > something wrong with this system! I can at least get behind the idea of being able to disable chat or even emotes/taunts/mastery flashing/etc if it would help players. You're admitting in it yourself that you tend to be rather toxic and unless riot does something about being able to disable chat well you just have to learn to control it. You don't get a ban or a chat restriction from a single game unless you were saying racial hateful slurs. Its not just one or two games either you're fairly consistently bad or you're bad at an extreme degree when you are. It doesn't matter if you're good in however many games the point is you're bad. You don't get off for being good in other aspects of something anywhere else in life so it wouldn't happen that way here either.
: It isn't that the punishments aren't harsh enough, it's that they're not frequent enough. A person punished really severely once every two months is going to care much less than a person receiving constant, smaller punishments. The difference in mentality is akin to "Oh, a ton of people decided to report me. Time to work off the chat restriction again," then entirely forget about it, versus "Oh I got punished, oh well. Wait, punished again? Okay, weird. Hang on, AGAIN? Okay, what the hell am I getting reported for so this can stop already? Just let me play this game." One of the important parts to think about isn't "How do we get these people to turn from bad people to nice people." While a factor, there's a small number Riot can do this for. What they should really be thinking about is "How do we get these people to stop returning to negative behavior after the punishment is issued?" It needs faster, more immediate, and more mild punishments then an occasional "say goodbye to ALL of your work, period, you're gonna have to redo it, and then some."
> [{quoted}](name=Sylven the Thief,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WAIvA6u4,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-11-04T07:44:35.101+0000) > > It isn't that the punishments aren't harsh enough, it's that they're not frequent enough. A person punished really severely once every two months is going to care much less than a person receiving constant, smaller punishments. The difference in mentality is akin to "Oh, a ton of people decided to report me. Time to work off the chat restriction again," then entirely forget about it, versus "Oh I got punished, oh well. Wait, punished again? Okay, weird. Hang on, AGAIN? Okay, what the hell am I getting reported for so this can stop already? Just let me play this game." One of the important parts to think about isn't "How do we get these people to turn from bad people to nice people." While a factor, there's a small number Riot can do this for. What they should really be thinking about is "How do we get these people to stop returning to negative behavior after the punishment is issued?" > It needs faster, more immediate, and more mild punishments then an occasional "say goodbye to ALL of your work, period, you're gonna have to redo it, and then some." Giving people a light tap on the wrist repeatedly isn't going to change the way that anyone acts. The reality is there's a certain percentage of people who are going to be toxic no matter what and they should be gone. Lets say you do the mild punishment thing. If thats the case then how would they know when it's a punishment that will seriously impact them. Now if you think there should be more warnings fine but changing it from larger punishments to smaller ones won't change anyone. If you get to the point where you get a big punishment though you deserve it far more often than not.
HuLily (NA)
: Flaws in the Punishments
You aren't going to find much sympathy here. The fact is that if anything the punishments aren't harsh enough. That's why the current community is considered extremely toxic. If you're getting punished you have to be CONSISTENTLY toxic. I know people who have intentionally tried to get punished on alternative accounts to see just how bad the system is and its pretty bad. So if you or a friend is getting punished. You deserve it. Unless you're like the .000001% of population that was wrongly punished.
: What to do after hitting your goal rank?
Well if you haven't gotten it in all 3 modes I would recommend doing that just so you're primed for next season.
Stacona (NA)
: Rufus, the Might of Bandle City
Just from reading through this he wouldn't be a marksman. I 100% guarantee he would be used purely as a support. You have a free attack once a second at level 1 where you can hit the enemy from a safe distance. Unless you put some sort of cooldown on his passive alone you're not even going to have a use for his base range because he can't attack when his greatsword is out. Hell you contradict yourself right at the beginning. "Rufus wields a giant greatsword on a heavy chain, allowing him to fling his greatsword when attacking outside of his attack range, but he must reel in his greatsword afterwards, _**rendering him unable to move or attack while he does this**_." Now assuming he can attack while the great sword is gone it means there is 0 risk for him using it other than being unable to move briefly. If he can't attack then his base attack range would be 1000. Ignoring that problem for now though if his attack hits, assuming it stays this way, does the sword land in front of or behind an enemy. If its behind then you've given him a free pull through minions in combination with his e. Hell at level 3 you're going to basically 100-0 most adc's with zero risk to yourself. You basic attack them, pull them with something that does way too much max health damage then on top of that you do true damage when you knock them away. Somethings you could do to make it somewhat better would be to 1) remove all of the true damage/max health damage. You don't need that off of a single more or less undodgable skill. 2) Remove his q completely and instead make his passive his q and make it a skill shot. You could even make it one that goes through the targets it hits if you want. 3) Add some sort of detriment for missing abilities. Him taking damage would be very beneficial in balancing him out. 4) You'd have to reduce his attack range. Because if he had an attack from a range that's longer than every other champions by a lot even at the lowest level unless the enemy is moving towards him he's going to be able to attack and move away. The idea is interesting but he would have to be nerfed to hell on essentially every ability including his passive.
: Is the Worlds Pass 2018 Worth It?
Whether you get it at the start or whenever it doesn't matter since the tokens are cumulative. I got it and I regret it because I don't want to support this game anymore. I did get a few skins from it because of the orbs since I didn't care for any of the skins that they release chroma for.
Vreivai (NA)
: 1. Smurfing is not against the rules 2. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ITFIpNUE Look under "Naming and Shaming"
> [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KdNv9Epb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-24T00:42:48.678+0000) > > 1. Smurfing is not against the rules > 2. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ITFIpNUE Look under "Naming and Shaming" Its not but it should be. That or their main account should be knocked down to whatever their smurf is.
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: Very few reworks were "for the better". There are only two that immediately come to mind and those were Sion and Poppy. Fiora may have needed a rework. But what she was turned into is not in any way balanced and only has the illusion of counter play. Irelia still has the exact same problems as before. Warwick, while less binary now, still doesn't offer lots of counter play. Skarner and Ryze won't ever be balanced until they can lose their iconic CC. Talon was given too many escape tools in a single skill to be a balanced assassin. Katarina's delays and daggers are frustrations on both ends. Urgot I'm undecided on. It might simply be the meta but as a juggernaut he simply can't be kited well, which was supposed to be a major weakness of all juggernauts and isn't through items and/or parts of their kit. All in all, Riot has NOT done a good job in terms of keeping with the design philosophies that had made their game better. Something that wasn't trying to rip off DOTA with the idea of "if everything is OP, nothing is", something that's false no matter how you slice it.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ORb53A9y,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-10-17T18:51:37.135+0000) > > Very few reworks were "for the better". > > There are only two that immediately come to mind and those were Sion and Poppy. > > Fiora may have needed a rework. But what she was turned into is not in any way balanced and only has the illusion of counter play. > Irelia still has the exact same problems as before. > Warwick, while less binary now, still doesn't offer lots of counter play. > Skarner and Ryze won't ever be balanced until they can lose their iconic CC. > Talon was given too many escape tools in a single skill to be a balanced assassin. > Katarina's delays and daggers are frustrations on both ends. > > Urgot I'm undecided on. It might simply be the meta but as a juggernaut he simply can't be kited well, which was supposed to be a major weakness of all juggernauts and isn't through items and/or parts of their kit. > > All in all, Riot has NOT done a good job in terms of keeping with the design philosophies that had made their game better. Something that wasn't trying to rip off DOTA with the idea of "if everything is OP, nothing is", something that's false no matter how you slice it. Im going to have to disagree with you as far as poppy goes. Don't get me wrong in terms of utility shes better now but her old ult was so damn fun.
: 29 mission added ?
Eh i have the same issue. I just ignore it....except i have like 171 missions added.
: Auerelion sol getting nerfed ahead of irelia, akali, Jax, kassadin, LeBlanc
I honestly believe that riot just throws darts at a dart board to determine balance.
011418 (NA)
: Make Honor Rewards and Ranked Rewards Separate
Nah. Theres way too much toxicity in this game as is. Although Riot should do far more to combat it, i.e. punishments should be more frequent or more severe, this is at least the bare minimum they can do.
: Am I the only one who still absolutely loves this game?
Absolutely. Riot doesn't respond to what the player base thinks. Their reworks are so good they haven't undone any of them. Most of the players are nice and chat shouldn't just be completely removed. Everything riot does helps reduce toxicity not add to it. Riots doing a great job.
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: client on maintenance issue
It isn't supposed to but knowing riot it probably will.
: Two people who vote yes on a surrender cannot end a game. At 15 mins, it requires 5/5 Yes votes to end the game. At 20 mins and later it requires 4/5 votes to end the game. Also, if you were doing poorly and saw no chance of coming up in the game, would you want to stay in? You're giving a one-sided perspective of someone who is doing well and thinks that your vote should count more than vs someone who is doing worse (there is no twisting that at all.)
> [{quoted}](name=WayOfTheOutlaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sATE3123,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-19T04:15:12.400+0000) > > Two people who vote yes on a surrender cannot end a game. At 15 mins, it requires 5/5 Yes votes to end the game. At 20 mins and later it requires 4/5 votes to end the game. > > Also, if you were doing poorly and saw no chance of coming up in the game, would you want to stay in? You're giving a one-sided perspective of someone who is doing well and thinks that your vote should count more than vs someone who is doing worse (there is no twisting that at all.) I'm not saying two people who vote yes do. I'm saying 3 players who are doing well voting yes on a surrender versus two who are doing very poorly should out do them. You're also incorrect about that since I've also been on the otherside of it as well when i'm doing bad. If thats the case then I vote with the majority regardless of my individual desire.
: Just because one person isn't doing well doesn't mean that they are nothing to the team (Unless they are AFK). Are you implying that someone who is 10-0 should count as two votes on a surrender while someone who is 0-10 shouldn't count at all? I don't know if you have forgotten, but League is a **team game.** Nobody is more important than another in a simple video game.
> [{quoted}](name=WayOfTheOutlaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sATE3123,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-16T06:32:03.022+0000) > > Just because one person isn't doing well doesn't mean that they are nothing to the team (Unless they are AFK). Are you implying that someone who is 10-0 should count as two votes on a surrender while someone who is 0-10 shouldn't count at all? > > I don't know if you have forgotten, but League is a **team game.** Nobody is more important than another in a simple video game. I said that their vote should count less not that it shouldn't count anything. For example say you have 3 players who are doing considerably well and 2 who are doing considerably poorly. Why should the two who are doing incredibly poorly be able to force the three who are doing well to stay in the game.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: 18yo vote doesnt worth less than a 40yo than worth morethan a 70yo. Votes have no race or sex or age. But a 5/5 @15 seems silly since thete always someone who like to troll. 4/5 seems a bit too much since 3/5>50% anyway peace
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sATE3123,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-16T04:03:58.405+0000) > > 18yo vote doesnt worth less than a 40yo than worth morethan a 70yo. > Votes have no race or sex or age. > > But a 5/5 @15 seems silly since thete always someone who like to troll. > > 4/5 seems a bit too much since 3/5>50% anyway peace Right but we're talking about a game not the future of a country or ones life. Lets just ignore that aspect though and say you're right. What about in cases where someone does not vote. I.E. 3 vote yes and 1 votes no. Why should someone choosing not to vote have any impact. Why shouldn't it count in the same manner as if it was a 4v5?
Naymliss (NA)
: It feels so bad to be stomping on a hypercarry just to have your team ff from underneath you.
> [{quoted}](name=Naymliss,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sATE3123,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-16T03:36:21.543+0000) > > It feels so bad to be stomping on a hypercarry just to have your team ff from underneath you. I have the opposite problem. I get my teammate fed since i mostly play support. Then mid top or jungle feed to all hell then we have to stay in game because their votes are worth something when they shouldn't be.
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: Well i'm sure i said i'm not toxic ,but if you see me as toxic it doesn't matter. I'm just saying you shouldn't get irritated by the people who say "easy" cause it's not really a bad thing but in the end it's up to you to get irritated from small things (i'm only a well wisher)☺️☺️
> [{quoted}](name=NejiHyugaKK,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2tpERUBQ,comment-id=000e00000001,timestamp=2018-04-29T22:02:28.166+0000) > > Well i'm sure i said i'm not toxic ,but if you see me as toxic it doesn't matter. I'm just saying you shouldn't get irritated by the people who say "easy" cause it's not really a bad thing but in the end it's up to you to get irritated from small things (i'm only a well wisher)☺️☺️ You're saying something for the purpose of being unsportsmanlike. That is being toxic. Yours is a very mild form of it sure but it is toxicity. I don't particularly get irritated I just report players for breaking the rules. You could say the same thing about any toxic behavior though even if they're talking about raping your mother and killing your family it's your choice to be irritated. I just prefer to get rid of toxic players whether or not it bothers me.
: Well i'm one of the people who says "EZ" after the end of game i won . to be honest , i know it is annoying to the enemy team when i say it but the thing i want to say is that it's not necessarily true that the people who say "EZ" are toxic 'cause for my self i'm not toxic if i would make a percentage of my toxicness would be 20% and i also get a little annoyed when people say it as well and that's why i say it too ( seems stupid).
> [{quoted}](name=NejiHyugaKK,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2tpERUBQ,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-04-27T23:51:24.642+0000) > > Well i'm one of the people who says "EZ" after the end of game i won . to be honest , i know it is annoying to the enemy team when i say it but the thing i want to say is that it's not necessarily true that the people who say "EZ" are toxic 'cause for my self i'm not toxic if i would make a percentage of my toxicness would be 20% and i also get a little annoyed when people say it as well and that's why i say it too ( seems stupid). Well that sounds like you're saying you're toxic because other people are toxic. It isn't a mind game once a games over to bm the enemy team. It's just bad sportsmanship.
: i understand that "ez" can be a bitch after losing a game, but honestly, does it affect you? if they end the game, most of the time people move on and forget. if they fail and screw up, you feel better and they feel like idiots.
So I never said I only report for those who say it who are on the opposing team. I report teammates who say it as well. I'm not discriminatory about reporting regarding it.
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Makami (NA)
: Reporting people for saying ez/easy
You all seem to misunderstand. I don't mind persay when people say it. I just enjoy reporting them for it because I figure if they're willing to do things like that they're probably toxic players in general and as such when I get a notification that riot has been notified.
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: Didn't vote because I agree it'd be nice but I also disagree because it's potentially not worth making que times become so much longer to find a game. Although my understanding is that in flex if you que as a 5 person premade you are more likely to end up facing another 5 person premade which I feel normal draft should have the same kind of system. Pretty sure I saw that said though when flex was first introduced probably in the flex q&a they did for some patch notes but not sure.
While I understand that I believe that if we were to remove blind draft that the que times wouldn't change that much. At least that is my hope. I feel if they were to do a trial run they would be able to determine for sure what the effect would be.
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