Done25 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JM0NJzQL,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-21T02:18:09.301+0000) > > you build pure defense to survive long enough to get multiple rounds of CC off, survive getting your combo off, soak up damage while outputting lesser amounts of damage, and effectively utilize damage blocking items like {{item:3190}} and{{item:3109}} , duh. > > There has to be an ideal balance found between taking too much and too little damage when building tanky. If you take too much damage, you will no longer operate properly as a tank. **If you take too little damage, you will be able to 1v1 anyone in the game using the base damages inherent in certain items and kits. ** > > Everyone remembers the first part but always forgets about the second part. And when the enemy is ignoring 50% of your armor between Black Cleaver and Last Whisper? You don't "survive". You just last a few seconds longer before you *melt*.
you didn't even read my comment did you. for fucks sake man.
: Adc and mage mains anytime they get a change.
"can you imagine if bruiser players were like 'well, our laning phase is weaker so we should...'" I stopped listening at that point. That's literally what hashinshin has been saying for years. ftn
: Is really the only counterplay to support AP malph
1. Bully the hell out of him in lane because his pre-6 is shit, like, really shit. If you can't learn how to bully melee champions with poor early games in bot lane...you might wanna rethink your life. 2. stand far enough away from your ally that you both don't get hit by him 3. his base damages will be high, but as long as you don't int feed him he will be low on gold and scale very poorly. Unless you feed a support (or they're pyke) they will usually have the lowest gold on the team and be the lowest level due to not being allowed to CS.
: Situational, but right now the whole state of support in general is damage and threat focused.
right now you either pick {{champion:143}} and bully the enemy out of lane, pick {{champion:89}} or{{champion:12}} and try not to get bullied so hard that you can no longer engage and win fights, or pick {{champion:16}} {{champion:25}} and try to counter engage against aforementioned engage tanks.
Done25 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JM0NJzQL,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-01-21T00:51:02.777+0000) > > I agree. Pure defense shouldn't negate pure offense. That would be absurd. Then why build pure defense at all? It wont help you win. It just stops you from losing. Might as well just go full damage like everyone else with Yasou/Zed mid and Brand/Zyra bot.
you build pure defense to survive long enough to get multiple rounds of CC off, survive getting your combo off, soak up damage while outputting lesser amounts of damage, and effectively utilize damage blocking items like {{item:3190}} and{{item:3109}} , duh. There has to be an ideal balance found between taking too much and too little damage when building tanky. If you take too much damage, you will no longer operate properly as a tank. **If you take too little damage, you will be able to 1v1 anyone in the game using the base damages inherent in certain items and kits. ** Everyone remembers the first part but always forgets about the second part.
Jamaree (NA)
: While I do want damage to go down, I don't want to be fed, my opponent to build pure defenses, then me just ending up doing literally nothing to them, but that is just me.
I agree. Pure defense shouldn't negate pure offense. That would be absurd.
Done25 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=byFEyyrE,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-20T04:42:54.070+0000) > > you don't even have to be that accurate with it, it's a huge area. A lot of times all it does is make people decide that going in isn't worth it, which saves a teammate's life. I literally just watched a gold rank player walk out of his ally's Redemption for no reason. If an item requires Plat+ levels of teamwork to use, it's a pretty awful item.
Fun fact, not everyone is so bad at the game that they walk out of redemtion's range every single time. Also, fun fact, people will do that in plat+ too. It's not an awful item. It's probably one of, if not the best, support item.
Done25 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aametherar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=byFEyyrE,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-20T01:04:30.681+0000) > > You're supposed to cast it as the fight starts, when you wait til someone needs healing you lock them in a confusing situation that often gets them killed. > > In fact, almost every complaint I'm seeing here seems tied to casting it later rather than sooner. If you can guess 2.5 seconds when and where your heal with be needed kudos to you. The best use for Redemption seems to be as a post fight team heal where you don't have to worry about Zed/Yi/Fizz deleting someone in under half a second.
>If you can guess 2.5 seconds when and where your heal with be needed kudos to you. you don't even have to be that accurate with it, it's a huge area. A lot of times all it does is make people decide that going in isn't worth it, which saves a teammate's life.
: I rush it lmao, IDC about personal benefits when I support. I'm all about protecting my ADC. Multiple times I have found myself watching my ADC's health instead of my own. Idk HOW people can mage support. Even Morgana isn't a real support in my book
>Even Morgana isn't a real support in my book you had me till here lmfaooooooooo
: Main support , Hardly ever buy redemption
Redemption is literally team fight winning wtf guys. It's also the only way for a lot of enchanter supports to make plays or force fights, plus you can assist teammates cross-map. I build it almost every game I play an enchanter and even on shit like thresh it's bought very consistently. Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't make it a bad item. edit: as a support main this thread is driving me up a wall, holy hell.
: Redemption is trash because damage is too high for it to function. The teamfight is over before it goes off because everyone just gets killed by a 0.1 sec burst, and even if it were to heal someone, they'd get one shot regardless of the heal. Its best use currently is to combine with Rylai's Crystal Scepter and drop it on the enemy's escape route while chasing so they get slowed and your team catches them. This is because of how ridiculous damage is.
this might be one of the bronze-est comments I've ever seen i don't care if I get banned for toxicity again
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Common sense is good evidence.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EgFX7Tdm,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2019-01-19T02:25:54.535+0000) > > Common sense is good evidence. "common sense" is usually a label applied to non fact based opinions.
Cukumba (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SuffocateMeDaddy,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EgFX7Tdm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-18T15:59:22.182+0000) > > No point in trying to point out facts on boards. No matter how many times you pull out empirical statistical data, people will still believe dumb lies like "tanks are weak", "support is weak". on the other hand, i dont want to wave papers around every single time im having a debate/discussion you dont walk around with papers or blogs/wikipedia crap in RL either if u believe me then believe me, if u dont then dont not gonna dig into the web every time someone demands evidence or w/e
> [{quoted}](name=Cukumba,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EgFX7Tdm,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-18T19:53:45.395+0000) > > on the other hand, i dont want to wave papers around every single time im having a debate/discussion > you dont walk around with papers or blogs/wikipedia crap in RL either > if u believe me then believe me, if u dont then dont > not gonna dig into the web every time someone demands evidence or w/e but you can't walk around saying stuff like "cows don't eat grass, they eat dirt!" without some kind of data or evidence. Claims still require evidence. It's also apples to oranges. On an internet forum it takes, what, half a second to pull up some information? IRL it takes longer.
: > [{quoted}](name=Uzela me droga,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:15:05.395+0000) > > Imagine if you asked ferrari to give you one free car, but they wont. Then you work your entire life to buy one ferrari, but when you get it ferrari gives each man on a world 150 pieces. That's not remotely related. At worst maybe a few thousand players, total, abused the bug. Even assuming only 10 million active players (because for some reason the total dropped by 90% since the last time for no reason), that's .03% of the playerbase that gained anything from this bug. Riot would rather move on with their lives instead of spending manpower, time, and money trying to find which of the purchases during that time were illegitimate, finding exactly what they got and how to fix it, and then spending the time and effort to fix it while making sure they don't remove any legitimate content. Seriously, just move on with your life. Some people abused a bug during the 14 minutes it existed. We normally call such a action 'lucky' and call a company that goes "yeah that was our bad, we won't punish you for that since it was our fault" 'good'.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:19:20.760+0000) > > Seriously, just move on with your life. Some people abused a bug during the 14 minutes it existed. We normally call such a action 'lucky' and call a company that goes "yeah that was our bad, we won't punish you for that since it was our fault" 'good'. espeically since I believe there is nothing about abusing pricing errors like this in the ToS. Riot can't just make shit up on the spot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:12:45.220+0000) > > garena is not the same as other servers. it is run differently and probably has completely different infrastructure. They also run a very profit-driven ship over there and the money lost from the capsules is a BIG DEAL to them. Riot doesn't really care about the monetary loss that much. > > barely anyone is actually angry about the capsules. It's like, 300 people tops who *really* care that much. The rest are indifferent but slightly against riot's decisions. > > you're not going to get anywhere by "fighting for rights." you're just going to get laughed at. Seems like you get tons of free stuff...
> [{quoted}](name=Uzela me droga,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:16:22.041+0000) > > Seems like you get tons of free stuff... I got zero. I haven't purchased anything from the store in weeks. >Imagine if you asked ferrari to give you one free car, but they wont. Then you work your entire life to buy one ferrari, but when you get it ferrari gives each man on a world 150 pieces. newsflash, people get free shit from being lucky all the time. Lotteries, promotional events, drawings, etc. give people free stuff. Is it directly harming you in any way, or are you just envious that someone got more stuff than you did?
: What about capsules that players got for Blue Essence?
why do you care that someone got free stuff?
Dynikus (NA)
: At this point, it's kind of old news and most people have moved on I think. Riot isn't going to do anything. They didn't even so much as make a response after Garena reverted all the capsules, showing it was entirely possible to do.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:05:57.955+0000) > > At this point, it's kind of old news and most people have moved on I think. > Riot isn't going to do anything. They didn't even so much as make a response after Garena reverted all the capsules, showing it was entirely possible to do. garena is not the same as other servers. it is run differently and probably has completely different infrastructure. They also run a very profit-driven ship over there and the money lost from the capsules is a BIG DEAL to them. Riot doesn't really care about the monetary loss that much. barely anyone is actually angry about the capsules. It's like, 300 people tops who *really* care that much. The rest are indifferent but slightly against riot's decisions. you're not going to get anywhere by "fighting for rights." you're just going to get laughed at.
: 0/16/1 at 19min "just a bad game"
that's straight inting in my books.
: learning to ward generally helps
^ much easier to react to a gank when you're anticipating them ahead of time.
: Unpopular opinion: Assassins should never be viable
I don't think assassins as an idea in PvP gaming have ever been a great idea. Their niche is essentially "burst someone extremely quickly" but that inevitably leads to feast or famine designs and oppressive gameplay.
: I guess aatrox doesn't have a double dash, a speed boost from his ult, and a shit ton of cc to prevent running. MY BAD DUDE. I guess I'll think more about it before saying something stupid. Right, marshbouy?
Riven can dash 3 times every 13 seconds from just one ability and no CDR. Adding in her E that's an additional dash every six seconds. Aatrox can dash one time every 8 seconds. edit: he also must chain abilities together in order to dash while using his Q. Otherwise his Q stops his movement. riven is far more mobile. Riven can also burst much faster if you animation cancel correctly. Aatrox, to the best of my knowledge, has very limited animation canceling if any. They're not the same champion. Aatrox is slower and less mobile, riven is faster and more mobile. Aatrox isn't an objectively better riven like you claim he is.
: Were all remade champs worse than their original?
people always think that new reworks are worse because they never actually fought the pre-rework version.
BigFBear (EUW)
: People say that {{champion:19}} and {{champion:20}} are good reworks. Idk since I don't play them. But i almost never see them in Plat+ WW 2,2% playrate Nunu 1,6%. Interesting is that people tend to say that {{champion:266}} rework sucks but i see him in most of my games.
WW isn't necessarily bad from a design standpoint - he was really good for a while after his rework - but he can't use conq that well and can't match the speed and ganks of stuff like camille.
: It's cause he doesn't suck gameplay wise, but design wise he sucks. He has 3 knockups, a drag with his W, a double dash, a revive, and a AD increase. That is an overloaded and unhealthy kit. He is played because he IS THE BEST champion to play. Why play riven when you can play Aatrox? On the real?
because riven is far more mobile and can execute her damage in a much shorter time period, duh.
: Point about E is pretty stupid honestly. 1. Stun is much stronger then a root, 2. Root duration is actually 0.7 / 0.9 / 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.5 unless you hit multiple targets which isnt guranteed and requires effort. 3. 1 / 1.2 / 1.4 / 1.6 / 1.8 higher base duration on a better CC type. 4. Bard is a support not a mid burst mage Apples and Oranges, really stupid comparison.
>Bard is a support not a mid burst mage yep. bard's damage is good until level 6 ish and then he starts to fall off. Any bard player worth his salt will be building actual support items too, so he'll be rapidly out scaled by a neeko.
: Brusier items are disgustingly over tuned and im sick of it.
And you're not even mentioning how huge their power spike is when they purchase trinity force, which has a very good build path with multiple strong component items. Tanks could probably go back to top lane if they didn't get completely shit on by bruisers with conq
Razelth (NA)
: I feel the same way about mage items. Nothing screams balance more than double pen letting you do near true damage to people without a dedicated magic resist item 15 mins into the game lol.
^ unironically fuck mages in the current meta
Moody P (NA)
: >Remember when bruisers actually had to build 1-2 tank items yeah I remember that boards whined to the moon and back that bruisers were "abusing" tank items and that they should be forced to buy more AD and have their own items. funny how things work out, isn't it?
that's because tank and bruiser players are extremely irrational
: In the damage meta...
OP probably went in 1v5 and got mad when he died quickly.
: TRICK2G HILARIOUS BACKDOOR W/DISRESPECTFUL ENDING! Twitch Rivals scrims ...
there's a reddit thread that shows most of the reactions on both sides of the fight. Scarra (losing team) is the only one not laughing.
: Why is Gangplank's E so overloaded?
it's extremely difficult for a GP to land barrels against people who are paying attention and aren't CCed, without doing some crazy 4 barrels shit or something. That's why they're so overloaded
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=A1kdOsEf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-18T03:27:21.111+0000) > > Depends. Are you talking about a tank in a MOBA or a tank in an MMO? a tank is supposed to be the same across all game genres.
> [{quoted}](name=hallajuice,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=A1kdOsEf,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-18T04:40:42.252+0000) > > a tank is supposed to be the same across all game genres. tanks in MMOs can't work the same way that they do in MOBAs. I don't want every goddamn tank in the game having a taunt, thank you very much.
Kythers (NA)
: The only problem with Pyke is how safe his laning phase is
seriously. you either kill him or he runs away and regens back most of his health.
: What is a tank?
Depends. Are you talking about a tank in a MOBA or a tank in an MMO?
: G+ quality algorithm
wall of text is my favorite boss in Terraria
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: Actually, As a top lane main... It's quite the opposite. I feel as though i CANT leave my lane. The moment i leave my lane my opponent is quickly able to shove the lane into turret and grab a significant portion of the turret. Which will result in them once they take the turret, Freedom to roam permanently as they can shove me into my tier 2 turret and roam with ample time to return back to top before i am able to touch their tower. Basically it's a stalemate. Whoever leaves lane first loses their turret and puts themselves in a significantly negative situation where they are unable to do anything in lane due to a lack of turret to fall back to. instead of bashing the top laners for not wanting to leave, Think about it from their perspective and what might be causing them not to want to leave. Maybe you can roam up to top push a god damn turret with your top laner thereby freeing them up to also roam back down to your lane. Oh wait, You'd have to roam too...you'd probably lose a turret, You wouldn't want that. Don't expect others to do something you wouldn't wanna do yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=LuciferDraco,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QiR7zukM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-17T20:46:38.570+0000) > > Actually, As a top lane main... It's quite the opposite. > > I feel as though i CANT leave my lane. The moment i leave my lane my opponent is quickly able to shove the lane into turret and grab a significant portion of the turret. Which will result in them once they take the turret, Freedom to roam permanently as they can shove me into my tier 2 turret and roam with ample time to return back to top before i am able to touch their tower. > > Basically it's a stalemate. Whoever leaves lane first loses their turret and puts themselves in a significantly negative situation where they are unable to do anything in lane due to a lack of turret to fall back to. > > instead of bashing the top laners for not wanting to leave, Think about it from their perspective and what might be causing them not to want to leave. Maybe you can roam up to top push a god damn turret with your top laner thereby freeing them up to also roam back down to your lane. > > Oh wait, You'd have to roam too...you'd probably lose a turret, You wouldn't want that. > > > Don't expect others to do something you wouldn't wanna do yourself. thanks but i do roam top lane as support. usually i get pinged out of it for "stealing cs" with relic shield edit: and the "leaving lane means losing turret" thing isn't exclusive to top lane. it happens to every lane. the only problem is that top lane is the only one that *wants* to be an isolated "1v1" island.
: Respek to The Annie Bots and Box Boxes of the World
nah, screw people who one trick and don't play for the team. You're not going to get anywhere in competitive teams. I say this as someone who is trying to convince three separate one tricks to learn a new fucking champion because all they know how to play is kai'sa, kayn, and karthus. Newsflash, anyone with two braincells is going to ban those champions in a pro draft setting. edit: forgot that we have an ahri one trick as well. that's four goddamn one tricks. I'm not asking people to know how to play every champ in their role, but please know at least three.
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D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: The support role sure has changed
earlier this week I was not in favor of nerfing support income if it means taking mages out of bot lane. you know what? fuck mages. give me redemption, locket/athenes, and sightstone and i'll be fine if it means getting zyra/vel'koz/brand out of the role permanently.
: -assassin jumps garen with no plan- -garen builds battle philosophy around killing by cutting through anything in the way to his enemy- -assassin weapons bounce off of garen's armor- -garen cuts assassin in half-
-garen takes towers and objectives and assassins are unable to fight him 1v1 because his counterplay is literally "just don't fight him without your team-
hoganftw (NA)
: Be honest: Chadshinshin was wrong.
The guy never was and never will be credible. Top lane players just rally behind him because they all have the same "I can only ever 1v9" mindset.
: Wait. I thought you quit weeks ago?
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zEnfIf75,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-17T07:38:42.981+0000) > > Wait. > > I thought you quit weeks ago? i think i know the post you're talking about and i made that post after having a losing streak and after taking loads of pain killers and stuff so I couldn't think straight. Ended up getting asked to be on a rec league team so i came back after no more than 48 hours LMFAO
: Wait. I thought you quit weeks ago?
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zEnfIf75,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-17T07:38:42.981+0000) > > Wait. > > I thought you quit weeks ago? i quit like every other week tbh.
: > [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ttcucido,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-17T01:48:33.067+0000) > > "just don't fight them" never was counterplay and never will be. True, all it does is give them an excuse to continue pushing, taking towers and getting baron.
^^^^^ you have to fight them at some point or else they can take everything in the game without any real issue. There are reasons why shit like "no champ damage tryndamere" is really stupid.
: this tbh lol
her head, eyes, and mouth are enormous. her face is disturbingly smooth and round and her smile is way too big.
: Am I the only one that sees Zoe yanking her eyeball out in her loading splash?
i don't see that at all, but now that I look at her, zoe is creepy af. she's so inhuman looking.
: Have any of y'all ever flushed while still on the toilet and the water splashes up at your balls?
it's worst in public bathrooms where the automatic flush is on a hair trigger and every time you shift on the seat it goes off. gross.
GigglesO (NA)
: Wow Assassin mains are petty
"just don't fight them" never was counterplay and never will be.
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