: that's why it's still a beta testing gamemode
the beta shouldnt be on live servers. quite frankly TFT shouldnt have even landed on PBE until they were sure the game was even ready to be tested.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Getting less Items than your opponents is like playing Texas Hold’em with just 1 card on your hand
i have a post about how TFT is mainly RNG rather then actual skill. in the comments i make the poker comparision that in poker even though you could have a bad hand, you can mind game to make people believe you have a good one in tft if you get a bad hand you literally have no way around it like poker
: Wtf is this Renekton buff
the balance team themselves dont play the game. atleast the old lead didnt
: I agree with Pudge. You don't understand Strategy. _**Strategy: Knowing each tier of champion only has a certain number of cards which can be drawn among an 8 player pool, watching what people field and building other champions while hoarding their teams' cards so they can't promote.**_ Strategy: Knowing Carousels are artificial catchup mechanisms you can exploit. Don't be 100 HP at a Carousel; be one of the bottom 2, at least for the first 2 rounds (Get a free Force of Nature or guarantee your Shojins/Lockets) Strategy; choosing a team that almost has all synergies, but saving a spatula to turn on extra champion traits which make you OP. Strategy: Fielding Blitzcrank vs an ADC heavy team roster. Strategy: knowing that you gain more gold depending on how much gold you already have, and conserving it on rounds you wouldn't level up anyways.
> choosing a team that almost has all synergies, but saving a spatula to turn on extra champion traits which make you OP. first, it is unrealistic to have multiple near finished synergies and its RNG if you get a spatula from item drops and rng if carousel spawns enough spatulas to get one. if you implemented the first part you are putting yourself in great risk to MAYBE have a good synergy. > Fielding Blitzcrank vs an ADC heavy team roster.\ its RNG whoever blitz hooks and from my experience his placement cannot influence who he hooks. > knowing that you gain more gold depending on how much gold you already have, and conserving it on rounds you wouldn't level up anyways. this low skill strategy only really benefits the people who are ahead. and those who are ahead are ahead because of RNG most commonly. >Knowing each tier of champion only has a certain number of cards which can be drawn among an 8 player pool, watching what people field and building other champions while hoarding their teams' cards so they can't promote. this strategy is a double-edged sword that hurts you more. lets put it this way. you are building a comp around this one synergy or champion. but you never get to level them up or complete the synergy because that champion is scarce in the champion pool that no one gets to see. so you could sell them for the RNG chance you get another synergy. which means you are selling what you have that others have and NEED. to play RNG for a different synergy. now the enemy gets your champion and completes their synergy/level and you didn't manage to find a new synergy because rng didn't favor you and you lose. or let us try it this way. You don't sell your champion but you never get to level it up and you lose because the enemies keep getting other champions they need to level anyway and you lose trying to finish your synergy/level. you see most 'Strategies' you can attempt in TFT are affected heavily by RNG and its simple enough to see that just about no matter what you do. whatever synergy you try, placements you make, items you combine. if someone gets the op synergy becuase of RNG or a draven with 2 rage blades and a GA. you lose. You see, even though it takes "skill' to realize giving draven a rageblade makes him strong. that is very little skill. what i am pointing out here is that the 'skill' that exists in this game is small and is a big no brainer. before i stopped playing TFT i always got atleast position 2 or 3 before losing to the person who got better RNG. with that being said i hardly played the game and never looked up how to play it good or effectively. My friends however played TFT as soon as it came out of PBE and also watched how to be good videos and yet i always beat them by a landslide. because it doesnt take much brain to place 3 pirates for some gold. it doesnt take much brain to place down a draven and darius for damage. so since the gameplay is 20 IQ and the RNG determines if you win. i consider this to be a luck-based game and not strategy.
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=yWdOQoVr,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T15:58:29.778+0000) > > once again that does not matter nor is it true because if you look at my INCOMPLETE LIST it already has more RNG elements then skill. the game is low skill HIGH luck. Well i think it's nice that you finally watch 2 mins of the 40 min video. Your "incomplete list" is wrong. They game has tons of other skill based decisions. Which champs do i pick from what i've been given, which full items, do i econ or do i spend and if so what do i spend it on. The player is faced with literally 100s of skill based choice paths each turn and the RNG effect on these skill based choice doesn't make them less skillful, in fact the complexity added because of the RNG makes them more skillful. They only RNG that isn't element that isn't intertwined with skill is the amount of items you get... which IMO should be changed for that very reason.
> Which champs do i pick from what i've been given what you get is RNG. therefore RNG dictates if you even get something that is remotely usefull >do i econ or do i spend econing is very small in terms of 'skill' and spending on reroll starts the RNG machine. and buying from shop goes back to the first which is RNG if you get the right thing. Almost everything in the game that is 'skill' based is dictated by RNG. even with this being FACT. RNG is also dictating if you win or lose. like the chess game in the video, which I had watched from the start you are just too daft to realize it, no matter what you do in that game of chess. if RNG doesnt favor you in the end you lose. since RNG decides your fate that means all of the skill you used, big or small, meant nothing. MEANING that the skill involved is POINTLESS which means in turn that the skill is NULL and or doesnt matter. whether or not you truly believe there is a lot of skill involved in TFT. when RNG is the true decider of whether you win or lose. none of that skill really matters. the tiny amount that there is in it.
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=yWdOQoVr,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T11:42:52.634+0000) > > how dull are you. i TOLD YOU TO READ MY ENTIRE COMMENT. i watched your video and its irrelevant. im not saying that skill and luck are competing. they exist together in this game but there is more RNG luck involved then skill. > > what the hell do you think you are trying to prove here WATCH THE VIDEO. LUCK AND SKILL AREN'T COMPETING INTERESTS THEY EXIST ON A SPECTRUM. THE GAME IS BOTH HIGHLY LUCK AND HIGHLY SKILL.
once again that does not matter nor is it true because if you look at my INCOMPLETE LIST it already has more RNG elements then skill. the game is low skill HIGH luck. in the video he has the chess game that is based on skill and luck. whether or not you win is purely on RNG. whatever you did skillfully up to the end does not matter because whether you win or not is based on the roll of the die. when this is the case, any type of skill you put into the game is essentially void and pointless. like in tft no matter how well you place your champions, if the enemy got better RNG they win. Winning the game is all that matters. winning the game is based on RNG. doesnt matter how much skill you think your putting into work. the end result is still RNG based. stop with your crying about them not being opposites or whatever because in TFT that doesnt matter. if RNG determines if i win or lose the skill i have is null and void.
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=yWdOQoVr,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T18:14:01.512+0000) > > read the entire thing. im not saying they are opposites. also im not saying they do not co-exist. they co exist in that pseudo ratio You "read a video" There is no ratio. Skill and luck are NOT competing interests.
how dull are you. i TOLD YOU TO READ MY ENTIRE COMMENT. i watched your video and its irrelevant. im not saying that skill and luck are competing. they exist together in this game but there is more RNG luck involved then skill. what the hell do you think you are trying to prove here
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=yWdOQoVr,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-16T06:19:44.718+0000) > > because I did not say strategy/skill was not at all in the game your comment is irrelevant. and so is the video to this post. **about 90% of the game is RNG and about 10% is about actual skill. ** Gonna stop you right there. Luck and skill aren't opposites, this is a false dichotomy watch the video for a more detailed explanation.
read the entire thing. im not saying they are opposites. also im not saying they do not co-exist. they co exist in that pseudo ratio
: when nobody likes your thread
you dont agree with my opinion so i have to downvote. it really shows how snowflake people are. i typically only downvote sarcasm or just really negative things
: Tryndamere is Now My Permanent Ban for Life
i perma ban dairus. zero counterplay for my main
: You lack understanding of Luck vs "strategy" aka skill. If you're actually interested in gaining a better understanding the below video will explain why you're wrong, Relevant part is 2:25ish to 6 mins ish [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSg408i-eKw&t=340s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSg408i-eKw&t=340s)
because I did not say strategy/skill was not at all in the game your comment is irrelevant. and so is the video to this post. about 90% of the game is RNG and about 10% is about actual skill. when I still played that fiesta I would always outlast my friends and mostly make it top 3 or top 2 but I 9 times out of ten lose because someone got a tier two Draven with at least 7 champions on their board and I had barely enough to survive long enough to lose. most of the time when it comes to actually good RNG related games such as Poker. in poker you play mind games such as bluffing, using your face to trick the other players, raising the bid to make the other players question what you have. in TFT there is no mind play involved. its place down the champions and hope you get levels and item synergies. RNG is completely out of the player's hand in TFT and in general RNG is out of play control in anything. the skill part is normally being able to use what you are dealt. in TFT you cannot skillfully use what you are dealt with. no matter how many different champ positions you try or items you combine, if the person you face got luckier with items or leveling champions you arent going to beat them because in most cases positioning does little and defensive items don't help. and dravens with rageblade wipe entire lots. A good game does not make your chances of winning more solely on RNG rather then skill. Atleast in SR if you get bad teammates becuase of RNG matchmaking you can atleast influence the chances by leading the team.
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=yWdOQoVr,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-15T09:07:47.060+0000) > > doesnt matter how 'good' you are. if the game constantly gives you the bad end and that one or two people paradise. even if TFT is based on work with what you have. > > if you get bad RNG you can save up on coins. ok somehow you survived and now have 70 coins. oh whats that, you rerolled every coin and didnt get a single synergy. this isnt skill, this isnt strategy. its RNG. > > do you think if in darksouls a player had a random chance to just die every five minutes it would be a skillfull game all in all. sure you know the mechanics aka synergies. but if RNG doesnt favor you it does not matter yeah if i were silver and couldn't even get a 50% wr i would say the same thing. you tell em dude.
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: Honoring the enemy.
the best part is I don't think most people take honoring serious. most dont honor or they just click someone random. too many games, I get fed and carrying to get one honor
WardMyBüsh (EUNE)
: league of legends new skin project Pyke/Jinx/Warwick/irelia/Akali
that feeling when 'project' warwick is actually Mecha
: But you made the statement that Pyke doesn't fit in, since he is an assassin. This is clearly proven wrong, there are enough assassins in the skin line to show that assassins obviously _do_ fit in the skin theme.
yes but said assassins are mostly carrying types anyways. Kat can kill an entire team with ult, ekko can do the same, zed can shadow clone nothing personal kid and entire team. as for pyke his ult is a "supporting" ability. i dont really care at this point i just wish they payed more attention to champions like skarner or xerath who ACTUALLY need attention
Mult (EUNE)
: Allow me to clarify, for what've said may have not came out understandable enough. The words you use, "submissive to riot" sound like you are on a hate train. Nevermind though. I never said champions are always balanced. Nowhere in the post did I mention it. I didn't put up the best example either. What I wanted to say is that people complain too much. They often say the game is impossible to play as long as certain champions remain. I believe this isn't the case. I think league is always somewhat balanced. Also, your well put argument drifted off to champion balance anyway, but that's exactly what I didn't want to adress too much. It wasn't the point of this post. And I feel quite offended by your comment sir. So yeah, fuck you too. Another thing is that you seem like the type of people I was talking about. Completely ignoring what I've said I wasn't trying to say. You scewered out only the parts of my essay-like text that you wanted and then sewed them back together into one massive roast against me. That is what's called a discussion foul. It's not cool to do that in an argument. PS: General winrate is good for telling the state of a champion if it goes deep enough. And I should inform you that 45% in Diamond+ is beyond shit. Have a good day. Mult
the argument about balance is there to show your ignorance to why people complain. if something is wanted the community has to let the devs know. if you have to complain because the Devs never do something about it then that is what you have to do. this 'being toxic' because you want a champion to be balanced so that it is fun to play the game is in no means foul. sure some people may be wrong because not everyone is good at the game but most are true. also in the post, you said you believed the game was not imbalanced which in turn means you essentially think it's balanced enough. but it is not because it is mostly counter or get countered. I say you are submissive to Riot because you are actually the type of person they want. the person who keeps playing the imbalanced mess but never complains so they can keep it a mess. Mentioning this hate train you call it. its not just some kind of unreasonable bandwagon. people have reason to be mad at Riot for what they do. There are the scummy things they do at the company itself, there is a lack of care of actually trying to balance the game. the old lead of the balance team said they you don't have to play the game to balance it and they were clearly wrong, we have skins going to champions that get enough attention, lots of things they add to the game they practically abandon and hope people forget; IE: Dominion, Nexus Blitz(didn't like it but still goes), twisted treeline, essentially all of the rotating game modes, even the practice tool. for a second I want to focus on the practice tool. before that, we are getting 'side tracked' because I'm leading you to a big conclusion so stay with me here if you can handle that. practice tool was implemented with the most basic things to where you were just in a custom game where you could have instant levels and gold. that doesn't really help you practice though. of course it was updated and got the victory button and stack tear. But there is so much missing from it that would make it an actually useful practice tool. first, you only have the select bot champions you can pick so that doesn't help you if you want to practice matchups. you also cannot command bots to do things. you cannot tell the bot to buy these items so you can see what works against them. Riot is a big company this should not be a hard task for them to do. if that is somehow hard for them to do. allow us to change the stats and give items to the dummies. I know that at the very least cannot be hard because im a programmer as well and doing something like that would not be hard or take long to do. but we are stuck with the 50% 50% defense reduction so we can't accurately tell what we will do to X champion. the whole point of the Practice tool tangent is that Riot does not put in the effort that they should be. Other games do more then what Riot does and Riot is not some small indie game company. they even have over [1,000 employees](https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Riot-Games-EI_IE247538.11,21.htm) and yet they can't make even simple changes to the game. Champions are starved for attention, maps and gamemodes are starved for attention. As a whole, yes people have a reason to be mad at or hate Riot. What they do is scummy and they play on peoples addition to the game to put little effort so they don't have to spend much and they profit off of skins for popular champions that don't deserve skins. if you still don't believe me that Riot is playing on your addiction to the game let me give you this one last thing. Riot has never IP banned someone from the game. this means they KNOW you will make another account. they KNOW at some point you will buy skins again. go ahead and try to find at least one person who has been IP banned from League. chances are you won't find anyone. not even T1 got IP banned at the peak of his inting every game, telling people to kys, doing just the most toxic things. But you know what happened when they 'Permabanned' his main account? he made new ones to playoff stream. just like Riot expects. Now wake up. I don't care if you quit the game or keep playing it as I do. Just realize the truth.
: I honestly do not believe that TFT is ready for a Ranked Queue in its current state.
it has to much RNG to even deserve ranked. believe otherwise. look at my post that shows how much Strategy : RNG is in the game
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cohLRAVg,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-14T20:08:06.766+0000) > > something i take into account for aswell is that visual reworks. Akali and irelia got every one of their skins updated so to me that is basically a new skin because they upgrade them with their new VFX engine. and because of kda akali, even though we all know prestige is just a chroma it is listed as a skin so she got two skins in close time lengths. > > also Project is mostly limited to ADC's so even though i hate that jinx is getting ANOTHER skin. she technically fits the role. pyke looks cool but he is an assassin and doesnt really belong in the project skinline. i know there is master yi and he is classed as assassin but i classify Project as the Carry skinline if you catch my drift. > > the least Riot could do is update old models and skins for untouched champions like skarner and xerath the chroma master. Because if its that hard for them to come up with ideas for the champions they never touch with skins the least they could do is update their current skins {{champion:114}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:254}} All of those champions have PROJECT: skins, project definitely has nothing to do with ADCs, theres only 4 PROJECT: skins for ADCs (not including jinx)
look at the part where i mention its mostly a Carry skinline.
: Ahh, but mayhap you yourself are the ignorant one? Mayhap HE was once where you are today and has managed to ascend to a higher plane?
Barkley (NA)
: Ranked isn't even worth playing in its current state.
> - figure out a way to PERMANENTLY ban people who are repeat offenders, or at least MAJORLY de-incentivize creating new accounts what you just mentioned is called an IP ban. Riot has never and will never IP ban anyone because they know you will make a new account and they know at some point you buy a skin. Riot has always had the option to IP ban but they wont and we all know why
Mult (EUNE)
: Tamed but blunt rant about rant
sounds like your becoming submissive to riot. people who complain about bad balance are justified. all elos including professional players admit that champions are unbalanced. and i rarely use winrate as an example for how 'balanced' a champion is because league of legends is not based off of how good you are. the winrate of a champion is not really based off of how good the champion is because teammates can lose you the game. the only time winrates should be realisticly be used to say someone is unbalanced is when the percents stray to far from what is normal. like when Quinn was at 60%+ winrate it was clear that she was unbalanced. not to mention she was a carry champion so she does influence her winrate. but champions like volibear do not. Volibear is and has been a sleeper meta champ for a while now. he wins most fights in jungle and has insanely good ganking but does not have a notable winrate. Also yes, teammates are big reason people lose games. when i play toplane i lose lane 1 in every 10 games or so. majority of the time bot lane loses or jungle feeds, and there isnt much you can do about it as a top laner unless you play meta picks. which meta picks are unbalanced. since you mentioned darius i just want to mention that i could give a great analysis on why if he gets atleast a small lead he can become unstopable but ill shorten it to his kit allows him to have 400+ base damage with 3k-4k health with 120-150 armor and similar MR. if you didnt know 400 is the average assassin base dmg. this isnt even mentioning his team execution ultimate. that resets. despite the things ive said i think Riot may have cuckolded you and with their fingers in your ass you will refuse to change your mind. but maybe you can save yourself from ignorance.
: The player's right to play and ff
deciding to not team fight in a fight that will blatantly make you lose the game makes you a liability. if you are being a liability you are being detrimental to everyone on the team including their LP. plays that are clearly not going to help such as taking enemy Red buff while they are on your nexus is a troll/grief play to make which is reportable. even if they are rushing your base and only taking inhibs and the two nexus towers you are griefing to be taking a red buff because it in no realistic way puts the enemy behind because they are already ahead and took out an important objective. everytime you get into a game you are also pretty much saying you are willing to spend 30 minutes to lose or win so you are not being held hostage. you chose to play the game. what the rioters are saying is essentially you can have your own playstyle. similar to the recent nubrac incident. but if your playstyle blatantly have a part of it that is to not try and win. such as afk farming. then you are trolling/griefing.
: you missed two important RNNG factors: In fight RNG(crit, glacial, demons...) Matchmakeing(phaseing the currently strongest or a counter setup multiple times in a row) Then there are things that increase the RNG impact like the hardcounter designs. Got a carry with SotD? Good luck dealing 0 damage to PD users... Run mages and face a Dragon comp? to bad... Have a fed 3star darius? Face morello/redbuff and get 100% heal reduce... such hard counters in a mode there you can't directly react to them are just bullshit. IF you would see the enemie setup befor the fight and could adjust positioning acordingly so your darius doesn't face the redbuff dude, it would have some skill check, but right now, tactical decisions are VERY limited untill it's only 2 or 3 players left. Sure, there is some skill involved, and over many games good players win a bit more than they loose, but RNG has a MASSIVE impact on the game.
yeah i did forget those but i was half awake and everyone should know about them anywhoo :\. TFT is to much RNG and its to much of a what If/If if i face this person i should have thsee if i get this item what if i find that character to much RNG and they want to make a ranked. kinda sad
: the skill is how well u can make decisions based on the rng presented to you
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: Thats.. the point of auto chess? It's how you handle what is given to you, kinda like most card games, they are mostly luck, the way you get good is how you deal with the situation given to you.
doesnt matter how 'good' you are. if the game constantly gives you the bad end and that one or two people paradise. even if TFT is based on work with what you have. if you get bad RNG you can save up on coins. ok somehow you survived and now have 70 coins. oh whats that, you rerolled every coin and didnt get a single synergy. this isnt skill, this isnt strategy. its RNG. do you think if in darksouls a player had a random chance to just die every five minutes it would be a skillfull game all in all. sure you know the mechanics aka synergies. but if RNG doesnt favor you it does not matter
Rioter Comments
: It's time to do something about Nasus.
Riot wont touch nasus simply because of his lack of mobility. basically when it comes to nasus it is a team counter or lose. so you have to have a perma cc hard kite team to beat nasus. if you dont have that nasus wipes your team. but because of kiting and all that, Riot wont nerf him because if you get kited you dont do that 1K Q. I hate nasus too but understand Riot will more then likely never nerf him simply because of his 'lack of mobility'
: I Normally Don't Blame Jungle
the real problem is mostly OP laners. when i play jg and a laner even feeds an OP champion once the lane almost immediatly becomes ungankable. that being said if you are playing an OP jg its different. but i dont play op jungles so i have to hope a lane doesnt feed. problem is, is that if a lane feeds jg has to farm more to compensate for that. then the lane gets snowballed and the jg simply cant keep up with the feeding. its not always the laners fault however. ive played bot against like a lux ezreal, ezreal karma, ezreal zyra. in those poke matchups you just dont win. and since you will die under turrent constantly i dont blame my jg for not being able to help. its just sometimes the lane is unwinnable unless you get a 4 man gank bot. but there is to little communcation in the game to allow that.. if riot added team voice comms this would be less of an issue
: Rengar gets a lot of movespeed and is invisible until he attacks, so there's really no escaping from him. If you see Zed coming a mile away you can leave. When Rengar's coming there's just no way to leave hard enough.
Rengar has camo and zed will W to you and ult you. i could go on and on about how rengar is the weakest assassin but just have this https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/T8eXlPU5-hitting-rengar-with-cc-during-his-jump-and-still-dying-in-half-a-second-does-not-feel-good?comment=00020000000000000000
: I find rengar pretty shit. just annoying... kinda. Like Rengar can do what an assasine can do. but with Indicators of letting you know you can either die there, or hope the gods you live by some Deus ex machina. (or using flash to dodge his combo, By Building a defense item(Like stopwatch, hourglass, or I guess GA.), or even just having a peeling support. But... hey. eveyone likes to play the mage supports. Or even having a displacement of your own with good timing. They're champions who pretty much doing what rengars do, by with fractions of time apart they kill you. One shot meta is nuts, and When people complain about being one shotted by rengar. Its okay, yeh. He always done that. and its not great. Its just strange when everyone is one shotting everyone, and rengar is on the same boat. but hes being the one to be thrown overboard. I think its just the frustration of just not being to able to hit him at least once before you pop. Like every assassin will pop you if you are caught out, misposistioned IN thier Playstyle. Some champs like when you stand alone, some like you standing near walls, some like brushes. rengar just happens to be pretty much anytime during his ult. but again... you still can counter this But some are just complete dog shit and cannot do that. Like shaco. (If they build like rengar) WuKong can do what rengar does, but Only there is no indicator, you are knocked up. but the counter play is he has a shit lane Jarvan can do what rengar does but can do it to everyone around you. the counter play, is he isnt very good building this way as a jung. rengar has counterplay. By needing kills desperate even. and will even die to get stacks. He needs early kills. hell poke mages are doing what he does at a safe range.(OH But, the Counter play is that I can side step it because most are skill shots.) Rengar is a feast or famine and falls off pretty late in the game when everyone build an item to just delete him. Annoying yes. Stong no. He isnt. Hes just a snow ball champion, and because he pops off hard in one game you had to fight against him... doesnt mean its broken. just annoying.
[](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/T8eXlPU5-hitting-rengar-with-cc-during-his-jump-and-still-dying-in-half-a-second-does-not-feel-good?comment=00020000000000000000) alot of the time he doesnt even oneshot anyways. like i say in this comment there are better assassins then him anyway
Yenn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T8eXlPU5,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-14T19:58:58.400+0000) > > well you still get CC'ed and its like most auto attacks. of course its going to follow you. the same can happen if you flash from any melee auto attack. it will follow you. the reason rengars follows more often is because he doesnt have to do an AA animation persay so it goes threw more. if you had zhonyas or shielded faster you survives those alot and id know. unless you sit next to a bush. > > one thing i cannot stress enough though is that if rengar is FED with max bonetooth stacks and your entire team is behind. he is going to one shot you. any fed assassin will do this. so dont cry op when 10/2 rengar one shots the squishy ADC. Every other assassins offers counterplay in the form of vision and staying near your team mates. Rengar does not. Even if you know he's ulting and are prepared for it, you can't do anything to stop him from instantly killing someone short of them having Zhonya. If they aren't playing an AP champion, that isn't even a possibility, so you just have to accept that someone is going to get one shot with zero counterplay and prepare to kill Rengar as soon as he lands. There's literally no viable defense for a champion being able to mash it's keyboard and delete someone from the game, with no regards for positioning.
first almost every other assassin is better then rengar. aside from poor shaco that riot has sincerely fucked. zed can go in and ult you adc and instatly go back to a safe shadow and STILL one shot your adc. including hurting anyone to be hit by his E and Q because he does that much damage. rengar cannot do this unless he is uber fed. talon can do nearly the same and has his E to get away from everything. Ekko has his reset button, katarina can wipe an entire team with her ult at any point of a fight, khazix is rengar but with way better gank potential and 3 invisibilities, master yi and yasuo are also considered assassins, both can wipe an entire team just like that and neither have to really be fed to do it, Fizz also has a potential hurt an entire team ability where he is almost guarenteed to oneshot whoever his ult hit. the point im trying to get across here is that Rengar is by far the weakest assassin aside from shaco in terms of being useful under the name Assassin. out of hundred of games i play, if i jump an ADC in a teamfight i either get cc'd before i get to them or i die from crossfire abilities. if i single out someone they normally flash away before i can get off my entire combo so i will only kill them if i flash aswell. if your adc you use stopwatch adn then buy GA right after. 9 times at out ten if my team isnt winning a fight your GA wont even pop to a rengar because he will be killed by your team. as Rengar the ONLY TIME. i am able to 'oneshot' someone is if i get fed or the enemy neglects to build any AD defense possible. of you are constantly losing to Rengars then im afraid you are just bad or someone on your team is bad and someone keeps Uber feed rengar because he truly isnt that great of an assassin anymore. you have WAY BIGGER issues when it comes to the better assassins that have way less counterplay then him and can wipe an entire team. I have observed these things because i love rengar but he isnt the best pick comapred to others. Rengar has to snowball while having really difficult ability to gank so if your team pushes all game you can not snowball and you can not one shot. if you try to invade 9 times out of 10 the enemy shows up to save the jg or the jungle outright beats you. there are few cases where rengar beats enemy jgs. those are cases like Kayn, Ivern, Jarvin that misses knockup maybe, khazix early. Summing this all up. Rengar is the least of your worries and you are probably just playing wrong or feeding him
: My take/issue with the new PROJECT reveal
something i take into account for aswell is that visual reworks. Akali and irelia got every one of their skins updated so to me that is basically a new skin because they upgrade them with their new VFX engine. and because of kda akali, even though we all know prestige is just a chroma it is listed as a skin so she got two skins in close time lengths. also Project is mostly limited to ADC's so even though i hate that jinx is getting ANOTHER skin. she technically fits the role. pyke looks cool but he is an assassin and doesnt really belong in the project skinline. i know there is master yi and he is classed as assassin but i classify Project as the Carry skinline if you catch my drift. the least Riot could do is update old models and skins for untouched champions like skarner and xerath the chroma master. Because if its that hard for them to come up with ideas for the champions they never touch with skins the least they could do is update their current skins
: like playing lux, seeing rengar coming, throwing your q out and hitting him mid ult dash but still dying to him anyway
well you still get CC'ed and its like most auto attacks. of course its going to follow you. the same can happen if you flash from any melee auto attack. it will follow you. the reason rengars follows more often is because he doesnt have to do an AA animation persay so it goes threw more. if you had zhonyas or shielded faster you survives those alot and id know. unless you sit next to a bush. one thing i cannot stress enough though is that if rengar is FED with max bonetooth stacks and your entire team is behind. he is going to one shot you. any fed assassin will do this. so dont cry op when 10/2 rengar one shots the squishy ADC.
: Riot taught me to never fall in love, and reverting Akali saves time in the long run
The problem is. and im nearly positive this is true i think its in one of their videos. When riot changes a champion like a fullblown rework. they essentially throw away all old files aka everything of the champion. I remember hearing this news when it came to Aatrox because alot of people wanted him to be reverted but someone said they can not and will not. can not because they threw away his assets. now when it comes to things like rengars Q change and then revert is that it was one ability and a simple change at that. maybe im wrong but i remember hearing they dumpster old files
Yenn (NA)
: Hitting Rengar with CC during his jump and still dying in half a second does not feel good
ive mained rengar for 2 or 3 seasons now and i have never once avoided cc by leaping unless if im leaping away from it. no clue as to what cc you mean
: > [{quoted}](name=MaskedMadness,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fE2Uc3pE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-13T21:24:50.473+0000) > > becuase that skinline is mainly for assassins not bruisers. essentially look at the bloodmoon gamemode roster and there you go. rengar and khazix havent gotten it either so dont worry The gamemode hasn't been in play for nearly 2 years now, and Aatrox received a Blood Moon skin. He's a bruiser. Champions which aren't assassins nor bruisers also got some Blood Moon skins (Zilean, Sivir, Kalista). So there is no real legitimate reason so far that Warwick cant get this skin either.
im ok with aatrox because Darkin use Blood Magic. no idea why sivir or zilean has it but kalista with her E execute and the fact that she is ghoulish shadow isle person makes it ok with me. no ww doesnt get the skin because he smells blood if you think about replying with that. it looks like Blood moon is restricted to mostly human like champions excluding kennen of course. and elise is a demon. as much as i would like for a khazix and rengar bloodmoon skin its probably not going to happen just like WW
Wuks (NA)
: {{champion:17}} E {{champion:90}} R {{champion:74}} Q Dont @ me
: When you get a kill because your jungler ganks should it be your kill or the junglers.
when i gank. if the laner is behind you should let the laner have the kill. otherwise take it
: Why does Warwick not have a Blood Moon skin?
becuase that skinline is mainly for assassins not bruisers. essentially look at the bloodmoon gamemode roster and there you go. rengar and khazix havent gotten it either so dont worry
: At this point I feel like I'm just praying my teammates don't wet the bed
in this current meta its pretty much play the most influetial role with the most op champion in that role. be it top,mid,adc,jg. never really top though unless you play jayce
: Why don't people test their internet connection before they enter a Ranked game?
you can lag after a clean no lag game. ive noticed that if you are in a game and you do something that would make you lag like watch a stream on twitch. even if you close what makes your ping go up, your ping will not go down and you get screwed for the rest of the game. its not always the players fault
Theorex (NA)
: I think my favorite thing about all of these last two years is.
i dont think damage meta will ever go away. Riot only understands how to change damage in their code. its like they put the rest of the stats in random spots of the code and damage is at the top so they are like this will do
Remus Wins (EUNE)
: Project 2019 Skins Jinx & Pyke Teaser
jinx gets another skin. who saw that coming.
: Behind the creation of TFT
the single downvote riot
Luisitaaa (EUW)
: happened to me. got trolled by my pre and flamed by the other 3 even though i was doing decently. permabanned for replying with "trash" "u suck" "garbage" after being called an inter and threatened with reports and called names. not gonna invest money in another account, nuh-uh.
its just so stupid and unacceptable. whats really sad too is i made a post with contanct information to Riot and the post pretty much said instead of making forum posts because Riot see's pretty much none of this. how about we contact them directly so that they have to no choice but to listen to us. got 1k+ im pretty sure VIEWs but no comments,upvotes, i dont even think it got downvotes. very upsetting
: Same thing just happened to me. I would never initiate the toxic behaivour yet got perma'd for calling out feeders and saying enough is enough and replying to players that keep blaming you even if they are 0/8 and don't know how to play.
its all because of the horrible report system. they decided to put a bot in a posisition to decide HUMAN BEHAVIOR. all it does is look for flagged words and hand out 14 week ban/perma ban. like they havent even devoloped a way to refute it aside from submitting a ticket. and even then you are still screwed. when i got a 14 week ban i managed to get it lowered to a chat restrict but it set my level 5 honor to zero. this was like last season i think. im ony at like honor level 2 or 3. it set me so far behind i might not make 5 for the reward
IM Sodz (EUW)
: Why is league of legends so harsh on banning people...
you know the funny thing is, is that you can get banned for flaming someone flaming you harder and you are just defending yourself at that point. but riot WILL NEVER. AND HAS NEVER. IP banned anyone. not a single player i have found have been ip banned. because they want you to make another account. they want you to buy more skins to make up for the lost ones. its pathetic. imagine if they started IP banning people. imagine how many toxic people would go away
Timik (NA)
: The game that made me quit LoL
i dont even get that high elo arguement either. like what do they do differently that makes op people like master yi or garen 'trash' even when watching high elo streamers you will still see garen killing the adc just by spinning or a master yi taking 3 people down before he dies. but they continue to say that they are bad in high elo your just bad. i just dont get it
: Remember Dominion?
well thats the problem. Riot doesnt want to spend time to making it better. thats why it was removed. soon 3v3's are more then likely gonna be removed because they put nearly zero attention to it like dominion and its fanbase is fading because of the major negatives
: Tahm kench mains didn't ask to be shoved into toplane, not with the current power shift in his kit, back when he was first released primarily as a solo laner he was meant to actually stall the game as much as possible in order to get his points into his R (where his damage used to come from) Now tahm gets that damage early game but he was also turned back into a solo laner….he has the same kit except for a lot more damage early game and almost nothing late game which is why he is so oppressive in lane. Seriously, he was DESIGNED to be as annoying as possible / be functional without being able to deal damage, he was never intended to be a lane winner/bully, he was the exact opposite, if not, a counter to them. We didn't ask for this, we didn't want this, even if this is the strongest tahm has ever been in years.
Now that he is being nerfed. it looks like he is being pushed into the jungle role because he can eat jungle camps now. really saddening
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