: Tell me that promos aren't rigged ?
Oh look, guys, the low diamond smurf is complaining that the matchmaking at lower Elo sucks. Like no shit it sucks, either the team is comprised of sub 20% WR people/trolls/afkers/toxic shits, or smurfs on the enemy team. The problem is when people reach SO high up into the ladder, they want to stomp on us lower players, smurfing really fucks with the system. We're EXPECTED to win against someone that's probably dropped in years worth of game time when we've barely had time to even learn the names of all the items in the game or god forbid even what to build. Like smurfing just ADDS to the problem, MMR sucks as is because true bronze/silver accounts have to face Diamonds/Plats in their ELO, which makes them seem like they're brand spanking new to the game but they aren't. TL;DR: Smurfs make the game suck for us 'newbies', and MMR system is definitely rigged, but it could be a lot better if people with the ACTUAL same amount of skill faced each other.
: Its funny how the last 3 mages I mention are following lux playstyle clones. Zoe: CC thats dumb then has this burst lux: throws Q that also CC in a line then bursts Neeko:'throws' loop that roots then bursts Does Riot have any creativity at all? Or do they just want make melee champion lane like hell so much? Now do you wanna buy lux skins??
> [{quoted}](name=PumpPenta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rH26LswB,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-12-26T01:26:01.476+0000) > > Its funny how the last 3 mages I mention are following lux playstyle clones. > Zoe: CC thats dumb then has this burst > lux: throws Q that also CC in a line then bursts > Neeko:'throws' loop that roots then bursts > Does Riot have any creativity at all? Or do they just want make melee champion lane like hell so much? > Now do you wanna buy lux skins?? Any relation to those three spells? They're all skill shots. Dodge them, then abuse them for it.
: I'm readin through this, seeing all the people who tell him that his behaviour is bad and clearly know how to play fair and this is really warming my heart. But still it's kinda bugging me that when i play myself I never find teammates with these points of view. Most of the time it's just guys like OP that call you out on every minor thing and get all toxic about it until you'd rather uninstall than play another game. **Where are you guys? :(**
> [{quoted}](name=JackTheCreep3r,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AbgQGyaf,comment-id=0028,timestamp=2018-12-17T08:51:23.517+0000) > > I'm readin through this, seeing all the people who tell him that his behaviour is bad and clearly know how to play fair and this is really warming my heart. > But still it's kinda bugging me that when i play myself I never find teammates with these points of view. Most of the time it's just guys like OP that call you out on every minor thing and get all toxic about it until you'd rather uninstall than play another game. **Where are you guys? :(** Getting stuck with other assholes. Matchmaking should really take into account the amount of reports against you that are actually valid. Like a very nice and sportsmanlike player should not go against the very definition of radioactive waste. But you know, then it'd take us forever to get matches...
: This needs to stop Riot Games
We all got meme'd guys. It's over. Time to pack it up, this man will save humanity. BLESS. But seriously. You're toxic. Just stop, lol.
Eedat (NA)
: I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
I kinda enjoy seeing people defend being assholes. It just puts a massive neon sign over their heads saying "Hey, look out for me in-game, I'm a dick."
: You may not have been triggered by the insults, but it sure looks like you were triggered by being told that you were triggered, or you wouldn't have posted a 17-paragraph rant about it. The people who triggered you aren't here to read this. Just take a deep breath, slowly let it out, and find something else to be mad about to distract you from this (that's what I do, anyway).
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QOTEZRPa,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-22T08:10:43.043+0000) > > You may not have been triggered by the insults, but it sure looks like you were triggered by being told that you were triggered, or you wouldn't have posted a 17-paragraph rant about it. The people who triggered you aren't here to read this. Just take a deep breath, slowly let it out, and find something else to be mad about to distract you from this (that's what I do, anyway). r/wooooosh
Mr Tyson (NA)
: Hashinshin ban is inexcuseable by RIOT, and if anything Smurfing should be banned.
Well I mean... Ranked isn't the place to try new things... I'm not depending on a team mate that has 0 idea how a champion works to do well.
: > [{quoted}](name=Master Noct,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaPeg1kk,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-08-13T07:19:29.830+0000) > > You... you can math right? 1-2=-1 2-3=-1 Either way you're taking 1 step backward
> [{quoted}](name=Zone of Endless,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaPeg1kk,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-15T02:14:29.705+0000) > > 1-2=-1 > 2-3=-1 > Either way you're taking 1 step backward So it's _not_ the same.
VerusVis (NA)
: its not the same
You're right, it's better.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaPeg1kk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-12T22:48:47.896+0000) > > More like 2 steps forward and 3 steps backward. that's...the same?
> [{quoted}](name=Zone of Endless,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaPeg1kk,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:56:07.144+0000) > > that's...the same? You... you can math right?
Arcathos (NA)
: Some people aren't afraid and like a good challenge. Bring it on. Edit: For all you haters out there, my reply was a joke, nothing more. I personally always ban, but now that I see how much hatred there is for it, maybe I won't. _shrugs_
> [{quoted}](name=Arcathos,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uJoQ9oV1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-26T00:40:36.386+0000) > > Some people aren't afraid and like a good challenge. Bring it on. > > > > Edit: For all you haters out there, my reply was a joke, nothing more. I personally always ban, but now that I see how much hatred there is for it, maybe I won't. _shrugs_ Thing is about jokes they're supposed to be well thought out, spewing dumb stuff isn't exactly funny, lol.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Simple Wukong buff idea.
I dislike this fucker, but it's actually fair. what do you know.
: DUDE WHAT VISUAL CUE ON FUCKING CHO ULT. ITS POINTCLICK ABILITY THAT DEALS TRUE FUCKING DAMAGE. YOU CAN LITERALLY PUT NUMBERS IN CALCUTOR AND YOU KNOW WHAT DAMAGE IT DOES. AND IF ENEMY HP<ULT DAMAGE, ITS YOUR FUCKING KILL MARKER. I really fucking wonder why does a TRUE DAMAGE ULT (true damage ignores resistances) even have fucking indicator. Riven should have ult indicator because not only its normal damage, it also scales with enemies missing hp. THATS WHERE INDICATOR SHOULD BE. Not on fucking cho gath. Not on fucking Garen.
> [{quoted}](name=Best Footjob EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BhFne2FE,comment-id=00050005000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-16T16:27:17.395+0000) > > DUDE WHAT VISUAL CUE ON FUCKING CHO ULT. ITS POINTCLICK ABILITY THAT DEALS TRUE FUCKING DAMAGE. YOU CAN LITERALLY PUT NUMBERS IN CALCUTOR AND YOU KNOW WHAT DAMAGE IT DOES. AND IF ENEMY HP&lt;ULT DAMAGE, ITS YOUR FUCKING KILL MARKER. > > I really fucking wonder why does a TRUE DAMAGE ULT (true damage ignores resistances) even have fucking indicator. Riven should have ult indicator because not only its normal damage, it also scales with enemies missing hp. THATS WHERE INDICATOR SHOULD BE. Not on fucking cho gath. Not on fucking Garen. That's what Cho's visual indicator basically does, lol. What you want on Riven is what Cho has, it's the same thing.
Andrionar (EUNE)
: I actualy joined club "RAPE" like 6 months ago and was showing the tag as a joke, but now it's 2 last latters are blocked. Feelsbadman
> [{quoted}](name=Andrionar,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6lNtMEAX,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-03-20T14:39:10.881+0000) > > I actualy joined club &quot;RAPE&quot; like 6 months ago and was showing the tag as a joke, but now it&#x27;s 2 last latters are blocked. Feelsbadman The classic 'it's just a joke/prank bro'. You might take it as a joke but others have gone through this in life and don't really need a reminder from people because they can't be decent human beings.
: kys is bad but suicide is the answer is fine.
> [{quoted}](name=race car worm 49,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6lNtMEAX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-20T07:49:50.019+0000) > > kys is bad but suicide is the answer is fine. This is just stupid altogether, lol.
: I wonder myself. I do not understand who is incapable of counting to 5 on darius, or doesnt notice move speed boost on soraka, and I really wonder why does gnar have visual effectg.
> [{quoted}](name=Best Footjob EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BhFne2FE,comment-id=000500050000,timestamp=2018-03-11T09:28:22.762+0000) > > I wonder myself. I do not understand who is incapable of counting to 5 on darius, or doesnt notice move speed boost on soraka, and I really wonder why does gnar have visual effectg. Because visual cues are important. Why do spells have visual cues then? Why can't you guess where spells are going? Why would you be able to see summs then? Because it's important to knowing what's going on. I'd like to know when Darius is fully stacked from one person to the next without having to make sure I'm watching him 100% of the time when there's a lot more things going on.
: > [{quoted}](name=Master Noct,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9cjA9JgN,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2018-03-11T05:52:39.884+0000) > > Oh no, Riot made a teaser then made a skin with things not in the teaser! Any right to complain is thrown out the window because it&#x27;s a female champ! > > Seriously though, if they teased you they&#x27;re bringing you a burger with bacon and cheese, and they just brought you the burger, BUT with no cheese OR bacon on it, wouldn&#x27;t you be wondering why that happened? Wouldn&#x27;t you ask or suggest what changes to make? > > There&#x27;s better things to do online than insult other for no reason mate. Im sorry where do you get any sense of being entitled to anything you dont own? They can literally and legally supply you with a bag of dog shit on every skin if they decided it. You are just another entitled brat. Good try though!
> [{quoted}](name=Rythmatic,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9cjA9JgN,comment-id=000900010000,timestamp=2018-03-14T15:58:44.435+0000) > > Im sorry where do you get any sense of being entitled to anything you dont own? They can literally and legally supply you with a bag of dog shit on every skin if they decided it. You are just another entitled brat. Good try though! Yeesh, someone pissed in your cereal mate?
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Rythmatic,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9cjA9JgN,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-03-10T06:04:00.260+0000) > > I actually reported you for being lonely and fat. Not even kidding. Oh no, Riot made a teaser then made a skin with things not in the teaser! Any right to complain is thrown out the window because it's a female champ! Seriously though, if they teased you they're bringing you a burger with bacon and cheese, and they just brought you the burger, BUT with no cheese OR bacon on it, wouldn't you be wondering why that happened? Wouldn't you ask or suggest what changes to make? There's better things to do online than insult other for no reason mate.
IAmWoralo (EUW)
: I may be very confused but 3800% less damage??
3800% less damage. You'd have damage so negative you'd get instablapped by even a minion auto. Yes. This is totally real and not a joke. Don't do the math though.
: > Soooooo, yeah. What do you think? It's hard to weigh in on "hilariously" weak. I think there are some things about towers that could be improved. Some thoughts: * I don't really think turrets universally just die too easily. I think if the outers especially lasted a bit longer (fewer "I lost my outer in one back" moments), however, that could be an improvement. * As players have gotten better at playing around turrets, managing their aggro mechanics and diving them has probably become too easy. * Turret damage on tanks especially feels pretty low. Tanks should feel better about taking a few turret shots than others, but it can feel over the top. Those stand out to me as the opportunities for improvement if we're talking turrets.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2GnaBwrc,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-03-10T19:37:23.680+0000) > > It&#x27;s hard to weigh in on &quot;hilariously&quot; weak. I think there are some things about towers that could be improved. Some thoughts: > > * I don&#x27;t really think turrets universally just die too easily. I think if the outers especially lasted a bit longer (fewer &quot;I lost my outer in one back&quot; moments), however, that could be an improvement. > * As players have gotten better at playing around turrets, managing their aggro mechanics and diving them has probably become too easy. > * Turret damage on tanks especially feels pretty low. Tanks should feel better about taking a few turret shots than others, but it can feel over the top. > > Those stand out to me as the opportunities for improvement if we&#x27;re talking turrets. Maybe make towers shoot extra projectiles later in the game, maybe like +1 tower shot every 10 minutes the game goes through, up to a cap of 30 minutes, and only after shooting once, cooling down, shooting twice, cooling down, and then shooting three times at normal tower fire rate (like in burst fire). Maybe make towers have slow zone + a slight vulnerability debuff if an enemy attacks the player under it to at least give people being dove a chance to fight back or just run if it comes to it. Maybe make tower AI a little smarter when people dive in groups, by targeting the most active source of damage (after a delay) towards a champion instead of shooting only the first thing that comes under it and deal no damage, while everyone else ravages their targets and leaving unscathed (specially in tank comps). Just throwing a couple ideas that sounded interesting in my head.
: Right in the star feels
This is so cute. It hurts so much. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
: We were trying to make a Sion reach 800k HP, but the game crashed 79 mn in. Would any dev know why?
Lmfao. 31 hours of vision, you'd lose your own vision by then playing for so long.
Zac x Me (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hNwi0E5x,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-09T20:55:39.741+0000) > > I&#x27;m so happy go back to your reddit and pretend you care about boards
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hNwi0E5x,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-03-09T21:29:32.901+0000) > > go back to your reddit and pretend you care about boards go back to 4chan and pretend you're cool there.
: > [{quoted}](name=NvestmentPlanker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fblavj4q,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-10T06:29:45.913+0000) > > yep. slippery except there&#x27;s no more sightstone to have upkeep on wards with. good call. oh no a champion with 2 dashes in their kit maybe having to actually target things they can see instead of infinite wards a high-burst champion with insane playmaking ability requiring more than the afterthought of "ward key + w" Look, i get that all champs deserve their spot in the limelight but look at the champions who have tons of dashes. All of them suck to deal with if they're even slightly ahead, and lee is a harder snowballer than most, there's a reason that lee players in bronze and silver can rack up crazy kill pressure, he's got *safety* He's still slippery, but he's not uncatchable anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=AetherArising,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fblavj4q,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-03-10T07:34:49.543+0000) > > oh no > a champion with 2 dashes in their kit > maybe having to actually target things they can see instead of infinite wards > a high-burst champion with insane playmaking ability > requiring more than the afterthought of &quot;ward key + w&quot; > > Look, i get that all champs deserve their spot in the limelight but look at the champions who have tons of dashes. All of them suck to deal with if they&#x27;re even slightly ahead, and lee is a harder snowballer than most, there&#x27;s a reason that lee players in bronze and silver can rack up crazy kill pressure, he&#x27;s got *safety* > > He&#x27;s still slippery, but he&#x27;s not uncatchable anymore. Exactly this, I'd rather have a fucker I can kill than have a fucker fuck me up and never die.
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> [{quoted}](name=Best Footjob EUW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BhFne2FE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-03-10T10:19:22.066+0000) > > Damn you literally cant play cho gath when you dont see kill marker? I fucking wonder how people played him when he did not have it. Maybe, just maybe, they used their brain and calculated? Naaaah how could I even suggest Cho gath players could use their brains. Yeesh, no need to be a %%%%, lol. The guy JUST asked for a visual for Cho's ult. Like why does Darius have a visual effect? Why does Soraka have a visual effect? Why does Gnar have a visual effect? Why does Kata have a visual effect? Talk about accessibility, lol.
: [CLIENT] Offline in chat but online on friendslist
It's been happening since the new patch, Riot touched their own spaghet.
Rhastalord (EUNE)
: After the 14 days ban, believe me I haven't been toxic at all. I started having good vibes and tried to be as non toxic as possible. I just got my honor unlocked and I don't talk in game lobbies. Admins can verify my latest games where I did my best to help the team and win the game, therefore I didn't flame or insult anyone. I got more discipline after the 14 days ban, yet there are heated moments where I try to argue, but NOT be toxic. This is what Riot doesn't understand. I'm supposed to only say "gl hf" and "gg wp" and if I'm going to argue with someone, I'll get banned? This is such a wrong system, we all turn into crybabies now or what? I'm only forced to say good words out of my mouth? I can't question my team mates why they did build this item or did that thing? I really want proof of why I got banned and how is this arguing bannable.
> [{quoted}](name=Rhastalord,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tQpMuZYh,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-02-28T15:46:04.235+0000) > > After the 14 days ban, believe me I haven&#x27;t been toxic at all. I started having good vibes and tried to be as non toxic as possible. I just got my honor unlocked and I don&#x27;t talk in game lobbies. Admins can verify my latest games where I did my best to help the team and win the game, therefore I didn&#x27;t flame or insult anyone. I got more discipline after the 14 days ban, yet there are heated moments where I try to argue, but NOT be toxic. This is what Riot doesn&#x27;t understand. I&#x27;m supposed to only say &quot;gl hf&quot; and &quot;gg wp&quot; and if I&#x27;m going to argue with someone, I&#x27;ll get banned? This is such a wrong system, we all turn into crybabies now or what? I&#x27;m only forced to say good words out of my mouth? I can&#x27;t question my team mates why they did build this item or did that thing? I really want proof of why I got banned and how is this arguing bannable. Mate. Just stop, lol. This is what caused the ban in the first place, you are trying to be right in a scenario that doesn't really matter. If you've been here for 7 years, I want to know how you've kept your account so long if you've behaved like this, lol. I'm not saying I'm perfect, I fuck up too, but damn.
Jsauce11 (NA)
: Banned for encountering a bug.
Unless you've been constantly afk'ing and/or being toxic, then you wouldn't have a reason to get permabanned. It just doesn't really make sense.
: What's with all the favoritism Riot? Give {{champion:103}} a skin already. It's been AGES.
> [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fAvV5sOE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-01T20:41:01.419+0000) > > What&#x27;s with all the favoritism Riot? Give {{champion:103}} a skin already. It&#x27;s been AGES. Please. Don't. Your kind is what makes that fan-service champ have too many bloody skins in the first place, lol.
: Let's talk about Dark Harvest Shaco...
https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2729914224/231151512?tab=overview Had to deal with a shaco like this. Dark Harvest + Lethality = Instant backstab death. Literally I went negative that hard thanks to a shaco that didn't even have to try to kill me, but just walked behind me and popped me.
: Oh look, Janna is at 54%~ winrate. Again.
Waiting for the continuous Raka nerfs since no one can build Morello or Executioners' :^)
M4ddness (NA)
: Name a More Iconic Duo
{{champion:412}} and{{champion:236}}
zPOOPz (NA)
: trade chests for keys?
> [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eed0TFeB,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T20:16:55.666+0000) > > trade chests for keys? I wish, I get neither :(
zPOOPz (NA)
: https://i.imgur.com/4eIZayA.png I'm sick of keys. Need moar chests!
> [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Eed0TFeB,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-25T20:01:44.013+0000) > > https://i.imgur.com/4eIZayA.png > > I&#x27;m sick of keys. Need moar chests! Yo what the fuck, lmao. Send me some ;) {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Azadethe (NA)
: Tbh trist is extremely high risk. Most kill combos involve W. If she can't get in a kill on it, she's RIP'd. That's pretty easy to play on if you ask me. Save your heals/cc for her dive and stop her from killing her targets. Then kill her while cc'd. I personally have no problems with Tristana, but I do generally ban her because I know some people in my elo just don't know how to play her. -if she W's just to get into range of you, you always have the option to run. Throw a CC behind you and increase the distance between you and her. -If she W's past you to cut you off, she's vulnerable. CC her and play heals, and kill her. You should NEVER start the engage with Tristana unless you have a teammate who can ambush her behind her from when she tries to W to escape. It's not like she starts the game with good range. It isn't until she's ~ level 15 and {{item:3094}} that she becomes super dangerous, unless you were bad, fed her in lane, didn't jungle gank her, etc. In the meantime, {{champion:222}} starts the game with massive range and completely owns any game where she goes 2/0..... (I even Grasp of the Undying Jinx, because she can keep it active and proccing the entire laning phase and end the game with 70-100 stacks for an extra 300HP, more damage, and access to anti mage healing like Second Wind and the new Bone Armor, and Overgrowth since she can just get so many cs + hp buffs from it. Works like gangbusters vs {{champion:63}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:161}} supports).
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LhWnYEzA,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-02-24T12:02:26.406+0000) > > Tbh trist is extremely high risk. Most kill combos involve W. If she can&#x27;t get in a kill on it, she&#x27;s RIP&#x27;d. That&#x27;s pretty easy to play on if you ask me. Save your heals/cc for her dive and stop her from killing her targets. Then kill her while cc&#x27;d. > > I personally have no problems with Tristana, but I do generally ban her because I know some people in my elo just don&#x27;t know how to play her. > > -if she W&#x27;s just to get into range of you, you always have the option to run. Throw a CC behind you and increase the distance between you and her. > > -If she W&#x27;s past you to cut you off, she&#x27;s vulnerable. CC her and play heals, and kill her. > > You should NEVER start the engage with Tristana unless you have a teammate who can ambush her behind her from when she tries to W to escape. > > It&#x27;s not like she starts the game with good range. It isn&#x27;t until she&#x27;s ~ level 15 and {{item:3094}} that she becomes super dangerous, unless you were bad, fed her in lane, didn&#x27;t jungle gank her, etc. > > In the meantime, {{champion:222}} starts the game with massive range and completely owns any game where she goes 2/0..... > (I even Grasp of the Undying Jinx, because she can keep it active and proccing the entire laning phase and end the game with 70-100 stacks for an extra 300HP, more damage, and access to anti mage healing like Second Wind and the new Bone Armor, and Overgrowth since she can just get so many cs + hp buffs from it. Works like gangbusters vs {{champion:63}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:161}} supports). =implying the Tristana is retarded. Why would you engage with your gap-closer/escape, if you might not kill the target? That's asking to get deleted instantly. She would kite someone hard, jump and auto, jump out/on another low person, rinse and repeat. It's like Katarina, except Kat can't jump a mile away or towards you, and auto you to death, AND have an ult that provides self-peel/execute with her time bomb.
: We had done the one nerf to DH on Aram back in...December I believe, and recall that it changed it reasonably. Does it still feel completely over bearing to you guys? See below for a graph that shows some of the relative performance of keystones from back in mid January when I pulled the data as followup, not entirely sure what it looks like now, but suspect it's similar. The red bars indicate number of plays with the keystone, and the winrate% is well...winrate. Tons of nuance here though since it's not broken out by champs that might abuse it more (Ezreal, J4, Ekko as you mention). https://i.imgur.com/hdx7ii1.png
> [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7YsWgzA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-25T19:34:53.570+0000) > > We had done the one nerf to DH on Aram back in...December I believe, and recall that it changed it reasonably. Does it still feel completely over bearing to you guys? See below for a graph that shows some of the relative performance of keystones from back in mid January when I pulled the data as followup, not entirely sure what it looks like now, but suspect it&#x27;s similar. The red bars indicate number of plays with the keystone, and the winrate% is well...winrate. Tons of nuance here though since it&#x27;s not broken out by champs that might abuse it more (Ezreal, J4, Ekko as you mention). > > https://i.imgur.com/hdx7ii1.png It'd be good to have a nerf to it, yes. Because I can't tell you how annoying it is to already have 3-4 tanks on the opposing team take dark harvest. You already couldn't delete them, but they sure as hell can obliterate you.
: > [{quoted}](name=NøTouchMyADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z7WzIwfj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-02-25T05:08:02.110+0000) > > It&#x27;s not even just about killing a wave. The amount of times you might accidentally kill a minion as a support is pretty high, especially while you&#x27;re trading. With supports like Sona, Zyra, Morgana, Lulu, Soraka, etc. you&#x27;re bound to kill something by accident and you get punished for it. Then reduce those accidental minion kills. It's impossible to never accidentally take a cs, but it's definitely possible to massively reduce the amount of time you might accidentally take one. If you mindlessly trade and somehow accidentally take a minion then you deserve it. edit: also the wording changed, but isn't the effect practically identical? You still disable support gold generation for killing minions already on live. "Killing minions and non-epic monsters stops Tribute generation, consumption, and gold generation for 12 seconds per unit slain."
> [{quoted}](name=Zone of Endless,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z7WzIwfj,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T14:04:13.600+0000) > > Then reduce those accidental minion kills. It&#x27;s impossible to never accidentally take a cs, but it&#x27;s definitely possible to massively reduce the amount of time you might accidentally take one. If you mindlessly trade and somehow accidentally take a minion then you deserve it. > > edit: also the wording changed, but isn&#x27;t the effect practically identical? You still disable support gold generation for killing minions already on live. > &quot;Killing minions and non-epic monsters stops Tribute generation, consumption, and gold generation for 12 seconds per unit slain.&quot; inb4 both teams have an arrangement to fight in river to avoid killing minions as they're fighting inside waves usually.
: > [{quoted}](name=Unrefõrmed,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Y3HY7m6y,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-25T19:05:50.580+0000) > > Everything the mods do is arbitrary and they give their friends free passes while holding grudges on randoms ah but when I posted and named "because Colonel J" she had to respond in such a manner and remove his as well
> [{quoted}](name=Calamitosus Cini,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Y3HY7m6y,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T19:07:38.686+0000) > > ah but when I posted and named &quot;because Colonel J&quot; she had to respond in such a manner and remove his as well If you 'named' as in mentioned that specific person, then they might be looking into the name and shame thing they have. Otherwise, I don't know why'd they do that.
: Was watching Australian dash cam videos...
I can tell you that regardless of region, the game is intending you to be sportsmanlike, no matter what rank, region, or language is taking place. So anything that can be deemed as toxic/negative by anyone can be reported and can be punished.
Bijeesny (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Master Noct,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pvQOAvET,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T06:16:25.363+0000) > > And today, no point has been made. My point is that OP is complaining about grade system which wasn't designed for ARAM. If he wants to get higher grade, he should play normal game. Your CS score is important when you want to get an S/S+ which you won't be able to get because you're fighting with 4 other teammates for CS. Accept it.
> [{quoted}](name=Bijeesny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pvQOAvET,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-25T12:40:32.032+0000) > > My point is that OP is complaining about grade system which wasn&#x27;t designed for ARAM. If he wants to get higher grade, he should play normal game. > Your CS score is important when you want to get an S/S+ which you won&#x27;t be able to get because you&#x27;re fighting with 4 other teammates for CS. Accept it. The way you worded your first response is what made me say that. Now that you present ideas as to why, then I can agree with you.
: I see nothing wrong with it in ranked I would rather ban a yasuo than deal with one on my team or on the enemy team
> [{quoted}](name=shyvana is wifu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6ehGhZwR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-25T19:08:22.337+0000) > > I see nothing wrong with it in ranked I would rather ban a yasuo than deal with one on my team or on the enemy team Basically.
: If you pick a champion before bans, They shouldnt be able to ban it.
What you're doing really is called being toxic. You are making a simple thing as banning mean your whole team will lose independently if others didn't ban your champ. So I hope you got reported.
SanKakU (NA)
: Are you serious? You are taking a keystone that has to do with math, and you want the game to do the math for you? {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} If you can't figure it out after a few games, then I suggest you get a financial adviser that you can trust when you grow up.
> [{quoted}](name=SanKakU,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gijXfccI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-24T23:41:48.207+0000) > > Are you serious? You are taking a keystone that has to do with math, and you want the game to do the math for you? > > {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} > > If you can&#x27;t figure it out after a few games, then I suggest you get a financial adviser that you can trust when you grow up. irl =/= game Game's based around math and statistics, geez, lol. When you have [Gold efficiency calculators](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Gold_efficiency/All), [Armor pen formulas](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Armor_penetration), and so on, I think it's safe to say this game is a whole lotta math you gotta take into account as you're playing, usually more math than you'll ever encounter in your lifetime altogether. Seen people figure out crit strike ratios, damage percentiles, attack damage mins and maxs, all from just fixing their builds to maximize their gold efficiency. It's insane stuff really.
: Why would you ever nerf Tristana?
Trist is a permaban every game for me. Don't ban her = someone will abuse her.
Bijeesny (EUNE)
: Complaining over irrelevant stuff in an irrelevan game mode lel
> [{quoted}](name=Bijeesny,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pvQOAvET,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-24T15:33:12.971+0000) > > Complaining over irrelevant stuff in an irrelevan game mode lel And today, no point has been made.
: > [{quoted}](name=Venomar,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Eo0Tbj0Y,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-02-23T06:26:19.910+0000) > > They&#x27;re on the PBE. Actual nerfs. Tristana: Attack range lowered from 550 to 525 (25 range is something, but they gutted Kali > 550 - 500) **Draw a Bead (Passive) ** Attack range and cast range of Explosive Charge increased from: [0/7/14/21/28/35/42/49/56/63/70/77/84/91/98/105/112/119] to [0/8/16/24/32/40/48/56/64/72/80/88/96/104/112/120/128/136] **Rocket Jump (W) ** Damage increased from 60/110/160/210/260 to 100/150/200/150/300 These nerfs to you?
> [{quoted}](name=Master Noct,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Eo0Tbj0Y,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-02-24T01:15:31.239+0000) > > Actual nerfs. > > Tristana: > Attack range lowered from 550 to 525 (25 range is something, but they gutted Kali &gt; 550 - 500) > > **Draw a Bead (Passive) ** > Attack range and cast range of Explosive Charge increased from: > [0/7/14/21/28/35/42/49/56/63/70/77/84/91/98/105/112/119] to > [0/8/16/24/32/40/48/56/64/72/80/88/96/104/112/120/128/136] > > **Rocket Jump (W) ** > Damage increased from 60/110/160/210/260 to 100/150/200/150/300 > > These nerfs to you? Also, best thing is this: 2/23 PBE Update: **Rapid Fire (Q)** Bonus attack speed reverted from 70/80/90/100/110% to 30/50/70/90/110% Active duration reverted from 3/4/5/6/7 secs to 7 seconds at all ranks Basically She's gotten more damage, and just less attack speed, which doesn't matter since her attack speed boost lasts longer now.
Venomar (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Master Noct,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Eo0Tbj0Y,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-02-23T05:28:58.201+0000) > > Dodge spells. > > Win. > > They might as well deleted her, lol. > > Still waiting on Trist nerfs. > > Actual Trist nerfs. They're on the PBE.
> [{quoted}](name=Venomar,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Eo0Tbj0Y,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-02-23T06:26:19.910+0000) > > They&#x27;re on the PBE. Actual nerfs. Tristana: Attack range lowered from 550 to 525 (25 range is something, but they gutted Kali > 550 - 500) **Draw a Bead (Passive) ** Attack range and cast range of Explosive Charge increased from: [0/7/14/21/28/35/42/49/56/63/70/77/84/91/98/105/112/119] to [0/8/16/24/32/40/48/56/64/72/80/88/96/104/112/120/128/136] **Rocket Jump (W) ** Damage increased from 60/110/160/210/260 to 100/150/200/150/300 These nerfs to you?
: nice job mate {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} all though ive gotten 38% more {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=masterartkiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bRPZsAVq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-22T23:49:34.439+0000) > > nice job mate {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} all though ive gotten 38% more {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} #humblebrag
: Zoe got nerfed
Dodge spells. Win. They might as well deleted her, lol. Still waiting on Trist nerfs. Actual Trist nerfs.
Zac x Me (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Master Noct,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BJtzQVyG,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-02-21T18:13:44.430+0000) > > Which is why more people should report this. The thing about punishments being made is that reports need to be done. > > Most people just say &#x27;its norms, lmfao, idgaf&#x27; then let it slide. It was ranked even.
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BJtzQVyG,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2018-02-22T03:20:11.733+0000) > > It was ranked even. Yikes.
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