: Can Sivir get a better title than "The Battle Mistress"?
Sivir: Warrior Princess. I'll expect my paycheck in the mail, Riot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Blåbæret,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NzAHOf8r,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-10-08T22:15:56.385+0000) > > Yeah guys, let's nerf half the items in the game as well as runes instead of just nerfing 1 champion. > > Makes sense. Ahem {{champion:81}}
We don't talk about Ezreal for obvious reasons.
: I think the Rioters would win, but they'd have scars from it. That's a lot of power drills to contend with, and 10 years old are short. They are coming at your knees, and those guys are all past 30, I think, which means bending over is painful.
> [{quoted}](name=KnightsKemplar,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rsqK4PhE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-08T15:26:18.618+0000) > > I think the Rioters would win, but they'd have scars from it. That's a lot of power drills to contend with, and 10 years old are short. They are coming at your knees, and those guys are all past 30, I think, which means bending over is painful. Their hitboxes are too small. It's the Oddjob/Teen Gohan advantage all over again.
: Is Irelia a late game champion?
Bottom line is she is a snowballing champion who starts getting strong way too early.
: In other news- Boards demand nerfs one after another when a champion doesn't seem to be going down fast enough. In other other news- Boards then wonders why some champions are chain-nerfed into oblivion. In other other other news- Boards then wonders why Riot doesn't listen to the Boards.
Man, this 'Boards' must be a very bipolar person. We should get them some help.
: You left out Ao Shin and Husk. Conclusion? 100% cancelled/remade champions are balanced.
: As someone who has also been around for quite some time (early 2010) I can't really say I have had the same experience as you. It may be perhaps just a difference in perspective but I do think all sides sharing their feedback can be valuable so I'll just leave some scatted thoughts and specific points I want to make to reflect more how others with a more optimistic look about League might think about the game and its growth. ___________ The **"Faker, what was that?!"** play you touch on was definitely one of the nail biting plays to watch back in the day, especially if you had the pleasure of watching it live. In addition to this, plays like the original Xpeke backdoor or Doublelift tearing up Korea before being banned from competing, it was always super exciting to watch and I remember all my friends watching the VODs of those games and discussing who their favorite players are etc. The thing is that these types of plays still occur, just at a lower rate. I do not believe this is purely a result of a balance decision, but rather just a natural consequence of Esports, specifically League of Legends, maturing and growing with a more stable infrastructure. Back in those days, it was more about the hype, the trash talk and the rush of making that crazy outplay. A lot of teams had players that had lone wolf mentalities (Think the Doublelift solo pushing bot meme) - As a result, there was usually more skirmishing, people getting caught out and more tendency for those types of plays to happen. Flash Madlife hooks were always one of my personal favorites to watch. Due to the growth and maturing of the scene I mentioned earlier however it became more common for teams to play more calculated, less aggressive and coordinating as one solid unit. As teams slowly shifted to emulate these strategies, the focus was more about finding the most efficient way to defeat your opponent while maintaining little weakness. As more money came into the scene along with teams finding investments, those lone wolf types of plays became too risky to allow in every game as you could potentially throw away thousands of dollars for your team if things go south, whereas before the consequences weren't really as dire. As a result of this, we saw some crazy metas over the years like Runeglave Ezreal, Cinderhulk Smite top lane and boring lane swapperinos in every game. Even if sometimes the competitive scene focused on boring methods of playing, I really don't blame them. they have a fiduciary responsibility to their team, investors and the future of the industry as a whole to think of instead of just LC$ Big Play$. So now that I've mentioned my thoughts about the Esports scene and how it plays a role in this perception of Riot, let me now focus more on the Riot side. ___________ Overall Riot Games has exceeded my expectations in terms of game balance and taking care of the games health overall. Sure there are things that I have gripes with, but overall I have never found myself not enjoying the game. From my perspective Riot has been very involved in preserving League of Legends as a game and a legitimate Esport as a long-term, healthy game that hopefully has decades more history to build on. Although Riot does have a direct influence on competitive play through balance changes, so far a good majority of their overall changes for the game have been healthy for the long term.There are obviously some things they have made mistakes on, and things that have became memes, but the thing with Riot is that they don't run away from the memes, they run head first busting the memes. For the first few years of my experience playing with League of Legends Riot continuously delivered new and interesting champions and events while at the same time revamping a lot of really old art assets back before they even had a fully fleshed out art team, they fixed abilities & items that today just seem absurd (Like Twisted Fate having a global teleport at level 1 LOL) - Although I admittedly loved using the oldschool cheese builds and strategies, they definitely were not healthy for the competitive integrity of the game. AP Master Yi was a great example of this. It was immensely fun, but also felt very cheap and unfun to play against. I applaud Riot for making difficult decisions like bringing him to a more balanced state (although feral flare would be a spicy item for Yi shortly after) that would upset quite a few players knowing it will be beneficial in the long-term. Riot won't always be perfect in execution of the live product, but you bet your ass there is always countless hours of time, dedication and blood, sweat and tears behind a lot of the changes over the years. There was always that saying that stuck with me about Riot in the early days, about building the plane mid flight. I like to think of Riot as having successfully saved the plan from crashing after building it mid flight, but then as things became stable enough, they shifted focus on structural integrity, longevity and overall health of the plane to ensure it can go on many more flights afterwards without crashing. ___________ As a developer, I know how frustrating it is to make a change, or try and explain something to somebody who just simply does not have the knowledge or experience as you do about your own product. It can be incredibly difficult and seemingly impossible sometimes to convey to someone that a change is necessary because it's beneficial overall, but may be negative in the short term. I really feel for the individual Rioters who have to cope with this reality where they probably want to tell you guys a lot of really awesome things, or discuss game balance in a very detailed, nuanced and high level fashion, but are unfortunately not able due to that fundamental disconnect that some players have. It's incredibly difficult to walk into a thread about balance when someone has declared your product dead, states specific people should be fired, or implying in any way that Riot as a whole doesn't care. Having to navigate that when sure, some points are valid of course, there is usually disingenuous statements generalizing a specific team or person is likely incredibly intimidating and difficult for most people to do flawlessly. Because the last thing they want to do is make the perception worse. When I see this type of rhetoric, it upsets me, because every Rioter I have had the pleasure of interacting with over the years cares deeply about this game, so much so that some are willing to uproot their entire lives, interact with the community in their off time, leave family and their homes behind to come be a part of something amazing, to build something that generations of players can hopefully enjoy for decades to come. Even when I awkwardly stumbled into the Riot office to have lunch with one of the Ritos, I could see the passion in people in how they conducted themselves, walked and talked about the game and their environment. Riot has made mistakes sure, as with any gaming company, but overall I'm happy with the direction of League of Legends and the amount of effort Riot has put into all avenues of their games. I can appreciate the focus on structure and longevity, even if it hurts user perception in the long term (see worlds budget cut meme) as a result I don't feel like League of Legends is all that stale, or has lost any heart at all. If anything I see a community that is stronger, albeit more cynical sometimes, still a great community to be a part of and I look forward to many years of League of Legends to come -From The Cosmos
> [{quoted}](name=From The Cosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5kBklePE,comment-id=002a,timestamp=2018-10-05T04:04:16.829+0000) > > As someone who has also been around for quite some time (early 2010) I can't really say I have had the same experience as you. It may be perhaps just a difference in perspective but I do think all sides sharing their feedback can be valuable so I'll just leave some scatted thoughts and specific points I want to make to reflect more how others with a more optimistic look about League might think about the game and its growth. > > ___________ > > The **"Faker, what was that?!"** play you touch on was definitely one of the nail biting plays to watch back in the day, especially if you had the pleasure of watching it live. In addition to this, plays like the original Xpeke backdoor or Doublelift tearing up Korea before being banned from competing, it was always super exciting to watch and I remember all my friends watching the VODs of those games and discussing who their favorite players are etc. The thing is that these types of plays still occur, just at a lower rate. > > I do not believe this is purely a result of a balance decision, but rather just a natural consequence of Esports, specifically League of Legends, maturing and growing with a more stable infrastructure. Back in those days, it was more about the hype, the trash talk and the rush of making that crazy outplay. A lot of teams had players that had lone wolf mentalities (Think the Doublelift solo pushing bot meme) - As a result, there was usually more skirmishing, people getting caught out and more tendency for those types of plays to happen. Flash Madlife hooks were always one of my personal favorites to watch. > > Due to the growth and maturing of the scene I mentioned earlier however it became more common for teams to play more calculated, less aggressive and coordinating as one solid unit. As teams slowly shifted to emulate these strategies, the focus was more about finding the most efficient way to defeat your opponent while maintaining little weakness. As more money came into the scene along with teams finding investments, those lone wolf types of plays became too risky to allow in every game as you could potentially throw away thousands of dollars for your team if things go south, whereas before the consequences weren't really as dire. > > As a result of this, we saw some crazy metas over the years like Runeglave Ezreal, Cinderhulk Smite top lane and boring lane swapperinos in every game. Even if sometimes the competitive scene focused on boring methods of playing, I really don't blame them. they have a fiduciary responsibility to their team, investors and the future of the industry as a whole to think of instead of just LC$ Big Play$. So now that I've mentioned my thoughts about the Esports scene and how it plays a role in this perception of Riot, let me now focus more on the Riot side. > > ___________ > > Overall Riot Games has exceeded my expectations in terms of game balance and taking care of the games health overall. Sure there are things that I have gripes with, but overall I have never found myself not enjoying the game. From my perspective Riot has been very involved in preserving League of Legends as a game and a legitimate Esport as a long-term, healthy game that hopefully has decades more history to build on. > > Although Riot does have a direct influence on competitive play through balance changes, so far a good majority of their overall changes for the game have been healthy for the long term.There are obviously some things they have made mistakes on, and things that have became memes, but the thing with Riot is that they don't run away from the memes, they run head first busting the memes. > > For the first few years of my experience playing with League of Legends Riot continuously delivered new and interesting champions and events while at the same time revamping a lot of really old art assets back before they even had a fully fleshed out art team, they fixed abilities & items that today just seem absurd (Like Twisted Fate having a global teleport at level 1 LOL) - Although I admittedly loved using the oldschool cheese builds and strategies, they definitely were not healthy for the competitive integrity of the game. AP Master Yi was a great example of this. It was immensely fun, but also felt very cheap and unfun to play against. I applaud Riot for making difficult decisions like bringing him to a more balanced state (although feral flare would be a spicy item for Yi shortly after) that would upset quite a few players knowing it will be beneficial in the long-term. > > Riot won't always be perfect in execution of the live product, but you bet your ass there is always countless hours of time, dedication and blood, sweat and tears behind a lot of the changes over the years. There was always that saying that stuck with me about Riot in the early days, about building the plane mid flight. I like to think of Riot as having successfully saved the plan from crashing after building it mid flight, but then as things became stable enough, they shifted focus on structural integrity, longevity and overall health of the plane to ensure it can go on many more flights afterwards without crashing. > ___________ > > As a developer, I know how frustrating it is to make a change, or try and explain something to somebody who just simply does not have the knowledge or experience as you do about your own product. It can be incredibly difficult and seemingly impossible sometimes to convey to someone that a change is necessary because it's beneficial overall, but may be negative in the short term. I really feel for the individual Rioters who have to cope with this reality where they probably want to tell you guys a lot of really awesome things, or discuss game balance in a very detailed, nuanced and high level fashion, but are unfortunately not able due to that fundamental disconnect that some players have. > > It's incredibly difficult to walk into a thread about balance when someone has declared your product dead, states specific people should be fired, or implying in any way that Riot as a whole doesn't care. Having to navigate that when sure, some points are valid of course, there is usually disingenuous statements generalizing a specific team or person is likely incredibly intimidating and difficult for most people to do flawlessly. Because the last thing they want to do is make the perception worse. > > When I see this type of rhetoric, it upsets me, because every Rioter I have had the pleasure of interacting with over the years cares deeply about this game, so much so that some are willing to uproot their entire lives, interact with the community in their off time, leave family and their homes behind to come be a part of something amazing, to build something that generations of players can hopefully enjoy for decades to come. Even when I awkwardly stumbled into the Riot office to have lunch with one of the Ritos, I could see the passion in people in how they conducted themselves, walked and talked about the game and their environment. > > Riot has made mistakes sure, as with any gaming company, but overall I'm happy with the direction of League of Legends and the amount of effort Riot has put into all avenues of their games. I can appreciate the focus on structure and longevity, even if it hurts user perception in the long term (see worlds budget cut meme) as a result I don't feel like League of Legends is all that stale, or has lost any heart at all. If anything I see a community that is stronger, albeit more cynical sometimes, still a great community to be a part of and I look forward to many years of League of Legends to come > > > -From The Cosmos Thank you for sharing, your commentary on this was very insightful! I agree that, as somebody who has to develop things for people as my current paid profession, it's awful when you have to explain why something turned out the way it did and the other person does not understand. However, I do my best to, albeit briefly, keep the person whose job I am working on informed on intermediary steps as to not alarm them or keep them wondering why it is taking so long. Many times there is a huge disconnect in understanding due to terms and concepts they may not understand, and I have been told that what I said went right over their head, but they appreciate it regardless. Treating the people you cater to as a developer with respect by filling them in on details rather than omitting them for the sake of understanding goes a long way. People appreciate being treated like they are worth being spoken to on the subject, even if they know they are intellectually unqualified to. For things like projects in development that must be kept under wraps, I understand, but so much can be done to help the community understand what Riot's direction is with every balance change in detail so that we as the players know that Riot thought this through, rather than leaving us to wonder and make speculations based off what little we know. When I say League has lost its heart, I mean that it feels like we're excluded from that conversation now. Rioters used to be excited to share new ideas and concepts with the community, but now they feel disconnected and distant from the community. Being busy is a valid excuse not to visit the Boards time and again, but using this as an official zone for communicating balance changes or content creation would go a long way.
: So, there was this scientist that wanted to freeze himself at -273.15 °C
: Not even sure what you're talking about. If anything, more love is being put into characters than ever before. Rioters are revisiting old champs who need touch ups and tweaking them (See: Quinn/Fiora's edited walk cycles). Champions are getting skins and love who have been left abandoned for years...and -now- you think there's some sort of lack of passion and love? I'ma be real: Most of the "CROWDING OUT OTHER PICKS" is two things: * 1.) Player skill. Straight-up, most players just aren't good enough to play whatever they want. I remember back in Season 6 or 7 one hyper-dedicated Morde main had Mordekaiser being the #1 win rate in the jungle in D+ because he was the only one playing it. It was absurd and it made me want to try Morde jungle. I failed...because I wasn't good enough. I have friends in high-ranking games who play _whatever_ they want or even try challenge climbs. IIRC my pal who is/was in masters hit around mid-to-low diamond by only playing AP Ezreal. If players want to earnestly play whatever they want, they need to get better. Which leads to the second problem... * 2.) Player Spoiling. Riot spoils players. Yes. You heard me. When a pick is too strong, rather than let it simmer and see ways to play around it or wait for the meta to shift and that pick to fall off, people cry for nerfs. Which Riot obliges. Which leads to that pick being subpar even in their favored meta and then terrible in metas they DONT excel at. Urgot won't always be strong, he's just good right now because it's a lane-favored meta where early power is prioritized (see also Aatrox). Players don't WANT to wait for meta changes. They don't WANT to let picks simmer and stew before finding counters. If something is good, they want the nail hammered down before any ingenuity happens. Change can happen and good players can actually make things work. However, people would rather put reliance on nerfing power picks and making Riot do the work than change how they function/act in game and learn to play around something new. **YES, there are situations where Riot should step in. NO, that is not every single situation**. Hell, most champs in the game hover between a 52/48% win rate, which means you're on-average able to do WELL ENOUGH provided you know your pick. As for esports...well, those missions are literally par-for-the-course for _every_ other major esport. OWL does it. DOTA does it. CS:GO does it. Riot's just finally adopting contemporaries have been doing and...that's seen as a problem? Shouldn't Riot learn and adapt from competition rather than see this change as a desperation attempt? There's some other stuff (ignoring improved player skill, how the balance philosophy of Plat balancing hurts the game) but it's not worth going into. Either way, you feel how you feel, but I really don't see the stretch your making. SLIGHT ADDITIONAL EDIT: Community always had problems with raging, barking orders and more. Nothing there has changed. That I strictly attest to rose-tinted goggles and nothing more.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5kBklePE,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-10-04T00:56:27.991+0000) > > Not even sure what you're talking about. > > If anything, more love is being put into characters than ever before. Rioters are revisiting old champs who need touch ups and tweaking them (See: Quinn/Fiora's edited walk cycles). Champions are getting skins and love who have been left abandoned for years...and -now- you think there's some sort of lack of passion and love? Visually, yes, characters are getting some real nice treatment. But while it is nice to experience, the gameplay is the most important aspect of it all. We have glaring issues with character balance where if a character does not do what the short checklist demands they are at an automatic disadvantage. Characters with knock-ups are at a greater advantage because tenacity does not affect them. Characters with mobility are at an advantage because these days champions hardly pay for having the ability to outmaneuver their opponents to crippling degrees. Not to mention that Riot has always been accused of playing favorites, but for once I can't help but agree. Nerfing champions that hardly deserve it while top-tier oppressive meta-crusher champions are allowed to dominate for periods of time that are unapologetically long, and oftentimes even receive buffs. It has gotten to the point where Riot has stopped writing context for nerfs and buffs they consider minor because they seemingly don't feel like explaining their reasoning to the community. Champion love on an artistic level has never been better. But on a gameplay level? Let's be honest, I was forced to give up on Shen a long time ago. > I'ma be real: Most of the "CROWDING OUT OTHER PICKS" is two things: > > * 1.) Player skill. > > Straight-up, most players just aren't good enough to play whatever they want. I remember back in Season 6 or 7 one hyper-dedicated Morde main had Mordekaiser being the #1 win rate in the jungle in D+ because he was the only one playing it. It was absurd and it made me want to try Morde jungle. I failed...because I wasn't good enough. I have friends in high-ranking games who play _whatever_ they want or even try challenge climbs. IIRC my pal who is/was in masters hit around mid-to-low diamond by only playing AP Ezreal. Player skill has not changed in the negative direction. In fact, more players have gained more experience and raised the skill floor for many elos, putting more pressure on new players to improve at a faster pace. Riot themselves has admitted the playerbase has, as a whole, become more skilled since season 3 and 4. If you don't recall when they mentioned this, I can pull it up at your discretion. > If players want to earnestly play whatever they want, they need to get better. Which leads to the second problem... > > * 2.) Player Spoiling. > > Riot spoils players. > > Yes. You heard me. > > When a pick is too strong, rather than let it simmer and see ways to play around it or wait for the meta to shift and that pick to fall off, people cry for nerfs. Which Riot obliges. Which leads to that pick being subpar even in their favored meta and then terrible in metas they DONT excel at. Urgot won't always be strong, he's just good right now because it's a lane-favored meta where early power is prioritized (see also Aatrox). To an extent, Riot does do what the community wants. They wanted Wukong nerfed? Boom, nerfed. They wanted crit to be less bursty? Boom, ADC rework (it was an attempt). However, it seems that instead of tackling the big issues, they targeted the little gripes and called it a day. Turrets for 3 seasons have been incredibly weak and have received nothing but nerfs until the PBE update this week. 3 years, Captain. You can never argue that Riot 'obliges' to its players' requests when they buff problematic champions nobody wants buffed, nerf champions nobody was complaining about (Sejuani...), and ignores the most major issues and continues to not only ignore them, but make choices to exacerbate them (snowballing, turrets, game length, item powercreep). Sorry to sound like I garner some hatred for Riot, I really don't, but these are observations that are undeniable because we lived through them. And unless your name is Patrick Star, I know you have not been living under a rock. > Change can happen and good players can actually make things work. However, people would rather put reliance on nerfing power picks and making Riot do the work than change how they function/act in game and learn to play around something new. **YES, there are situations where Riot should step in. NO, that is not every single situation**. Hell, most champs in the game hover between a 52/48% win rate, which means you're on-average able to do WELL ENOUGH provided you know your pick. I would like to break my oath of silence on a subject I've been keeping my mouth shut on for a while: Shen. He is the perfect example of a champion who cannot do well enough on average even with mastery of the champion. If this was a strawman argument or you simply don't care, you can feel free to skip the following section. Shen used to be a top laner. He was a sustain-based champion with relatively tanky base stats and practical defensive tools. He also had a powerful ultimate that shielded his allies well, providing them with enough time for him to reach them unless it was a hopeless 4v1 situation. Then he was reworked. His sustain on Q was replaced by a high base HP regen. His damage on Ki strike was replaced by a reverse-projectile that could not be positioned freely that did decent damage by its lonesome, but really dished it out if you pulled it through an enemy. It also has a small, short slow for enemies walking away if the sword hit them, so it's pretty cool. His shield was put on his passive, meaning it is not a reactionary shield but a preemptive one. His W and a huge chunk of base stats were replaced by a dodge zone for less than 2 seconds with a very high cooldown that could only be used by his only damage ability. His E's hitbox was screwed around with and made weird for reasons unknown and was otherwise unchanged and his ult was unchanged as well. Over the period of time to get here, Shen has had his base HP regen gutted, his damage on his Q gutted (it was nerfed, nerfed, buffed, then the buffs were reverted), his Q slow was nerfed for his early game, his shield was nerfed for both duration and strength, his E's hitbox and absurd energy cost was fixed (the only buff, but it was basically a bug according to whoever was addressing it), his only waveclear (on Q) was removed, his ultimate shield was absolutely gutted (situationally the ult does not work unless it's to save from ignite or you're ulting a tank), and his synergy with spell items was explicitly removed. Naturally, Shen slowly got pushed out of top lane into the jungle. Then he got pushed into the jungle back into top lane. Then he got pushed out of top lane, and with nowhere else to go, relegated to being a second-rate Leona with a niche for pro play, where he still continues to receive nerfs whenever they find any grain of success with him. As a Shen main in denial, I played every god damn build imaginable to make him viable in top. But it took me 3 months of diligent effort that just being more skilled than my opponents no longer matters if I am playing Shen. Even if I am fed they have better stat growths, stronger tools, and more impact than me. I was sabotaging my own team in ranked by picking Shen top lane. Boo-hoo, sad story. The bottom line is that I would agree with you if I have not had first-hand experience of how being skilled with a champion can mean nothing just because your opponent's champion is superior without them doing anything special. I'm sorry Captain, but realism wins over optimism this time. You can't defend the absurdity that is the disparity in champion power anymore when cases like this exist and are still ongoing. > As for esports...well, those missions are literally par-for-the-course for _every_ other major esport. OWL does it. DOTA does it. CS:GO does it. Riot's just finally adopting contemporaries have been doing and...that's seen as a problem? Shouldn't Riot learn and adapt from competition rather than see this change as a desperation attempt? I agree I may have been projecting something I read elsewhere on these Boards here. I will respectfully rescind that statement until I have done more research on the matter and eliminated any other variables. > SLIGHT ADDITIONAL EDIT: Community always had problems with raging, barking orders and more. Nothing there has changed. That I strictly attest to rose-tinted goggles and nothing more. Then allow me to remove the rose-tinted goggles and tell you that I never said the community did not have a problem being toxic. In fact, we have a reputation for being toxic because of season 2 onwards. However, I have never seen such a detached majority from this game than I have these days. People are silently leaving or just going through the motions. I used to have tons of friends, both online and offline, that played League. Now I only have two IRL friends and like 4 people online who play League. Yes, I understand that people move on from games. But for once in my life I feel like quitting on it. LoL has been a part of my life these last few years but it just lost its enjoyment for me. There is no wonder, no excitement, no fun. My favorite champion is in the dumpster and it seems hardly anybody is happy playing this game these days. It's just complaints, negativity, and devoid of any show of having fun. I'm actually upset to see that it's not just Gameplay Boards being the way it is, but it's now everywhere. This game, lore-wise and art/music-wise, are building a magnificent world and exceptionally colorful characters. But hardly anything about the game reflects any of that anymore.
Ætheist (NA)
: How come you talk about champions having cool aesthetics/VOs and then two paragraphs later complain that champions now suck due to gameplay reasons? Art quality/music/SFX/VOs are all just as good as they've ever been, maybe even moreso. Riot's teams that aren't related to gameplay (champ design or balance) tend to do their jobs well, all things considered.
> [{quoted}](name=Ætheist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5kBklePE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-10-03T21:47:58.292+0000) > > How come you talk about champions having cool aesthetics/VOs and then two paragraphs later complain that champions now suck due to gameplay reasons? > > Art quality/music/SFX/VOs are all just as good as they've ever been, maybe even moreso. Riot's teams that aren't related to gameplay (champ design or balance) tend to do their jobs well, all things considered. Fair point. I was just writing my heart out and left out some details in the little proofreading I did. I loved Zed and Vlad's aesthetics, but the gameplay is what kept me going. To clarify, I was a Zed main for a good 2 seasons. I had a blast, I studied my ass off to improve, and I always practiced techniques, strategies, and forced myself to be challenged in this path. Vladimir has always had a soft spot for me, and even up to Season 7 has been my go-to top lane mage. Jinx is always a delight when you're ahead.
: 'Objectively more boring'. Umm, not really sure that is how you use objectively. I dont know what to tell you, everything feels great to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Metallikaiser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5kBklePE,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-10-04T02:13:09.714+0000) > > 'Objectively more boring'. > > Umm, not really sure that is how you use objectively. I dont know what to tell you, everything feels great to me. As I (should have more clearly) said before, not everyone is disillusioned with the game. Plenty of people are still having fun with it. And I'm glad you're enjoying it. There's always two groups of players in LoL: those who enjoy it and those who don't. And the latter group feeling like the majority recently is not a good sign.
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: The new Titans show is probably going to suck
DC needs better writers and producers. They have been working with the wrong people and I think they should be shifting focus to smaller, less mainstream heroes like Zatanna, Wildcat, and Martian Manhunter (yes, I said it. The man needs a real show. He's horribly underrepresented in the DC live action universe). Hell, gather a skilled team of writers who are huge comic book nerds and let them go ham with a BoosterGold show. And yes, I know what I'm saying. We're at the point where a good live action show about BoosterGold would be a massive improvement. (Although seeing a sci-fi detective show about The Question has so much potential).
: > [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=oAxmt2QX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-02T11:43:16.706+0000) > > You should've figured this out the get go because it's DC and they're doing something live action > > DC live action stuff rarely works Flash and Arrow worked fine, that was until their 4th seasons hit.
> [{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=oAxmt2QX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-02T11:44:38.892+0000) > > Flash and Arrow worked fine, that was until their 4th seasons hit. Flash went from amazing to good after season 1. Season 2 was good, Season 3 sucked. Season 4 was ok, albeit quite formulaic, but it had its moments. [Spoilers] Tom Cavanagh can't be the only good villain. They need to really sit down amd make a good Flash Villain like they did in Season 1.
ExpStealer (EUNE)
: A current experience with the boards
People jump on a wagon that's moving fast and strong. If you don't invoke or associate angry feelings with your posts people will say "yeah, cool" and leave, oftentimes without an upvote or a coment. It sucks, but you can't change how people are.
CLG ear (NA)
: So far I've lost 30 pounds
I lost some weight, but then I found it again. Crisis averted.
: Guys I did it! I pirated league of legends!
This sounds like a scam that will put me in an infinite loop of surveys.
: Mobility Creep should be looked at during pre-season in addition to Damage
Riot: We've decided to take a look at mobility creep. Our approach is targeting a few problem champions in order to bring down some of the outliers. Community: Huh, that's actually a relly good idea. So, who- Riot: {{champion:98}}, {{champion:113}}, {{champion:6}}, {{champion:516}}, and {{champion:127}} no longer have dashes. There will be no compensation buffs. Community: Oh god we're all screwed.
: I'm not lying, someone ACTUALLY SAID THIS.
It's obvious this person had a lot of negative feelings coming into this game and it all came out with something that most people would be able to complain about then brush off at worst. Make sure you take a breal if you get tilted or frustrated. It never helps to harbor nrgative feelings going into a game.
: Bowsette is going to die out pretty soon
>Bowsette is going to die out pretty soon Thank god
: Thicc Thread
Oh, look, Lyn. Not like I see enough of her in FEH... In other news... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWnXny1VwAUPJ5a.png
: Name something more broken than Yasuo
~~My self-esteem whenever I go to the gym~~ ~~My self-confidence when people tell me I disappointed them~~ ~~Me in general~~ Um... the registers at my workplace?
: mods how do I delet someone elses post
> [{quoted}](name=flibitydoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=J9m9xIpt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-19T23:54:07.375+0000) > > mods how do I delet someone elses post By reminding me I have the power to save us from monstrosities like this.
: If Karma opened a restaurant......
That pun was Sa eleisa *Terrible.*
: {{champion:30}} THAT'S IT! EVERYONE DIES!
{{champion:236}} Ooh did he say garlic...?
: Slang is actually slang in of itself. The more you know! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
For anybody wondering, the proper term for slang is 'colloquialism.' If you weren't wondering, sorry for wasting your time.
: Sorry I got the glass ceiling bit but as a fellow Doctor Who fan _you're going to have to tell me **how** it's blaming me for glass ceilings existing_.
> [{quoted}](name=NekoniClaws,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=000c00010000,timestamp=2018-09-18T11:26:16.499+0000) > > Sorry I got the glass ceiling bit but as a fellow Doctor Who fan _you're going to have to tell me **how** it's blaming me for glass ceilings existing_. Basically Chibnall and the people he has running what little PR they have have been extremely rude to skeptical fans, outing them as having no faith and being extremely self-righteous and holier-than-thou instead of trying to reassurr the fans that the Doctor Who they know and love won't go to shit. This was another stab of many at the fans and one of the only messages the Doctor Who staff has given us on the new season. We have no footage, no clear overarching plot being teased, etc. All they gave us was this tongue-in-cheek jab at the fans who were worried about the show they know and love because the people they got attached to are no longer there.
: > [{quoted}](name=Melledoneus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-09-17T22:30:41.877+0000) > > Let him know who's writing the episodes and I promise he will let out an audible groan. > > None of us whovians liked the Dinosaurs on a spaceship episode. I don't think he knows much about the writers. More likely I'll simply ask him to compare this latest season to previous ones.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-09-17T22:48:48.610+0000) > > I don't think he knows much about the writers. More likely I'll simply ask him to compare this latest season to previous ones. If you can't handle seeing a man be broken inside, don't put him through that misery. I certainly wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy.
: My dad is much more a fan of Doctor Who than I am. I'm going to need to ask him what he thinks of the series when it comes out. Can't say my expectations are high though.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-09-17T20:08:33.682+0000) > > My dad is much more a fan of Doctor Who than I am. I'm going to need to ask him what he thinks of the series when it comes out. > > Can't say my expectations are high though. Let him know who's writing the episodes and I promise he will let out an audible groan. None of us whovians liked the Dinosaurs on a spaceship episode.
: > [{quoted}](name=Melledoneus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-17T19:46:27.991+0000) > > Nobody is really up in arms about the Doctor being a woman. They're pissed that the writers are going to bring this magnificent series to a crashing halt in a fiery mess of cringy writing and agenda pushing themes. They agreed their fans sucked and wanted to get better ones. Totally acceptable IMO.
> [{quoted}](name=Bael the Riser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-17T20:03:23.396+0000) > > They agreed their fans sucked and wanted to get better ones. Totally acceptable IMO. I'd agree if the new content was actually good. But if, for example, Nintendo starting making Mario games crappy, gritty, COD-esque first person shooters because they didn't "like their fans" and "wanted new ones," they essentially killed what Mario was for the sake of getting new fans. If you want to appeal to a certain fanbase, MAKE A NEW SERIES. Don't destroy something trying to turn it into something its not when it clearly doesn't work.
: *About* to?
> [{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-09-17T21:53:18.076+0000) > > *About* to? Moffat's Who was 50% crap and 50% brilliant storytelling. And the good episodes were more than worth dredging through the bad ones. It was like Moffat made crappy filler idea episodes while he planned out his masterpieces. This is going to take the good 50% away and leave us with just crap.
Slythion (NA)
: > they couldn't even make a damn teaser trailer without pushing an agenda nobody is opposing I don't watch Doctor Who but I am curious if the linked teaser was the one they pushed an agenda in. Maybe I'm being dumb but I didn't see any agenda in the linked video
> [{quoted}](name=Slythion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-09-17T21:21:10.171+0000) > > I don't watch Doctor Who but I am curious if the linked teaser was the one they pushed an agenda in. Maybe I'm being dumb but I didn't see any agenda in the linked video https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_ceiling They weren't even subtle about it. They could have just not brought up the Doctor's gender as if it were a defining part of the Doctor, because, let's be honest, Time Lords have been shown to be fluid in gender. It's not huge. But they decided to go right ahead and make a huge deal out of it as if it was a fucking victory and everyone should praise them for it. They're asking for an applause before they bring us an actual story. And that makes me mad. And they have the audacity to insult their fanbase by insinuating we all created this glass ceiling and they broke it. It's abhorrent and nausea-inducing agenda-pushing at its worst.
: All things fade. Maybe Doctor Who needs to disappear for a little bit like it did before the film and 2005 reboot? I certainly haven't watched it since the first Matt Smith series, and there's few people I know who still watch it who were religious fans in the past. This is a desperate attempt at remaining relevant I feel.
> [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yfVTTKPY,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-17T20:07:00.785+0000) > > All things fade. Maybe Doctor Who needs to disappear for a little bit like it did before the film and 2005 reboot? I certainly haven't watched it since the first Matt Smith series, and there's few people I know who still watch it who were religious fans in the past. This is a desperate attempt at remaining relevant I feel. Doctor Who was relevant when it talked about real shit. Real, prevalent issues rather than artificial ones like this social uprising of victimizing women who are in power when people suffer every day in worse conditions, deal with more serious problems that often end up being life or death. What kind of real issues? Well, when the Doctor realizes that he is no better than universal genocidal maniacs hell bent on destroying all but their kind when one of their own points out how his hatred, no matter which cause he was backing, made him just like them: https://youtu.be/9bDGH3dKo90 Here's another one. Like the time the Doctor's power went to his head and he used it irresponsibly without a care in the world, and was put back in his place: https://youtu.be/65N7tTaxmdQ Or the time when the Doctor demonstrated to a parasitic deity how much pain and sorrow life can bring and precisely why the immortal envy those who die young, but also how hope can keep the pain locked away: https://youtu.be/GoVLhUxhdSw Or, my personal favorite, when the Doctor stands between two enemy races about to wipe each other out, and demonstrates truly how terrible war is by recounting the cruel, twisted, and destructive nature of war, and how truly foolish and ignorant anyone is for starting a war thinking we know the outcome: https://youtu.be/BJP9o4BEziI This is the substance that made Doctor Who topical and relevant. You didn't learn from an agenda being shoved down your throat or into your face. You observed, you noticed, you listened, you learned on your own. The Doctor is a person who people can often relate to. He is powerful, intelligent, kind yet cruel, terrifying yet comforting, and vulnerable. Oh, so vulnerable. He makes mistakes, he learns from them, he is plagued by trauma and guilt, and yet he brings healing and help to others. He inspired the word "Doctor," meaning wise man, or healer. It was so natural. Cheesy at times, but incredibly fulfilling and memorable. You didn't get a character thrown at you. You followed them on their journeys and grew with them. That's why characters and stories resonate with people. People like Chibnall never understood that. He wrote an episode about cubes giving people heart attacks and dinosaurs on a spaceship and suddenly thinks he gets it. Some of the WORST episodes in Doctor Who history, by the way. I want Russel T Davies back. Hell, bring back Moffat. We need the old writers back, their storytelling was much better.
BleupizZ (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hZfKgT5H,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-09-17T11:21:14.855+0000) > > Should I start creating threads that are perfectly fine yet unrelated to LoL to spite you? Sure if you wanna get reported and get banned for posting unrelated stuff to LoL in here go ahead
> [{quoted}](name=BleupizZ,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hZfKgT5H,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-09-17T11:34:11.354+0000) > > Sure if you wanna get reported and get banned for posting unrelated stuff to LoL in here go ahead Hey, buddy. General Discussion is fair game as long as the topic isn't politically abrasive or distasteful. You should reread the Universal Guidelines, my friend.
Rioter Comments
: So my girlfriend let me have her Ps3 and this happened.
I mean, there is always a support hotline for a reason. Talk to them. You might be surprised by the results. It's not like you're too busy playing PS3, anyway.
: In my opinion
PROJECT skins are just robot versions of arctic ops skins. Boom.
: With the amount of bitching people do, what champs DO YOU GUYS PLAY?
I used to play Shen top. Riot stopped giving a shit about the champion, and eventually I stopped giving a shit about their game. That's my story, boo-hoo, let's keep it moving.
: Hey now wait a minute, did you lease your house for that mixtape??? Because I only buy legit!!! You either GO HARD OR GO HOME SON! {{sticker:sg-syndra}}
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: Why does everyone taunt Lucian with his wife’s death?
The problem I have with Lucian's current story is that, yes, Senna was a big part of who he was and her death left him with a void, and all he can do is try to fill it with cold-blooded anger and vengeful thoughts. He is a man who has 'nothing to lose' which is fun to watch work because there are no inhibitions in Lucian: he is a badass killing machine. However, from a narrative standpoint, this isn't very good. Lucian's goal used to be hunting down Thresh to free Senna, but he failed his first time around and now he's in this story-telling purgatory where he is just suspended without drive, motive, or direction. He's standing still in the world and not moving. He has nothing. The way to fix this is give him a new goal. Give him a reason to live (since we can't take the route of Lucian offing himself for gameplay purposes). Have him meet someone he would want to protect, dig up his past amd rediscover himself, go on a spiritual journey where he realizes how selfish he is for not spreading the warmth and kind mercy that they used to when Senna was still alive, something. Hell, have him hone his skills for his next showdown against Thresh, to take him down for good this time. Lucian is a character who is badass and cool, but has narratively left to gather dust. He needs a narrative that ends with a question that will be answered sometime in the future, way after the story reaches its conclusion.
: I don't know if I'd see Kled as a "holy damsel in distress" kind of character.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4ooToLEW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-10T13:38:41.951+0000) > > I don't know if I'd see Kled as a "holy damsel in distress" kind of character. {{champion:240}} Gosh darnit save me already, or gimme a weapon and let me save m'self!
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DJNoctis (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Melledoneus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=r9gE8YlQ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-07T04:32:51.549+0000) > > Not all of us can afford to have a drinking problem, y'know? You've just been drinking the wrong stuff
> [{quoted}](name=DJNoctis,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=r9gE8YlQ,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2018-09-07T09:26:06.788+0000) > > You've just been drinking the wrong stuff Ah, you just reminded me that I have some aged, vintage clorox in my cellar.
: The worst part of this is that men are 5x more likely to commit suicide as well :(
> [{quoted}](name=The Yung Sheets,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=r9gE8YlQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-06T22:17:57.089+0000) > > The worst part of this is that men are 5x more likely to commit suicide as well :( Not all of us can afford to have a drinking problem, y'know?
: Akali and Shen walk into a bar
Shen walks into a bar. He has been nerfed to depression and drinking has become his way to cope. He has now developed a serious drinking problem and his life is falling apart. This isn't a freaking joke guys come on the man needs help
EkyonKun (NA)
: A male Rioter went to his dentist to see when he could schedule a visit.
: What's this? The boards is woefully underpopulated by apples!?
I see you have thoroughly apple-ied yourself with this post. Now enjoy the fruits of your labor with an upvote.
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