: LOL Dude your ENTIRE argument is "because riot said so it must be right" and ill tell you now its not simply cause riot is the ONLY competitive game that has taken this stance on toxicity and guess what it has done nothing but make league the game with the single most banned accounts associated with its game. > You should looking in the mirror before calling any response bs after writing that response. Your whole response was bs but that part literately made me laugh. especially the part where you think its "psycho" No person can blame their lack of emotional control or anger magement skills on anything but themselves emotional blah blah has nothing to do with it. ill tell u first hand im and Aquarius, known for there lack of emotion towards things, and i have 6 banned accounts. irl i would never be toxic to someone and if i have to say something rude even in a txt message ill spend like 10 min trying to find the nicest way to put it. > Also You do realize your talking about a video game ...your not a pro your not playing for money .....its just something people do for fun...yes even in ranked. so if you are going to rage in it that is your issue keep it on your side of the computer screen. You cannot blame it on Riot , other players legitimate or rule breaker or "competitive" Furthermore if YOU want to take the game "seriousness" and "competitively" I suggest you then stay out of solo que where random people are not likely to share your view and you run the risk of immature toxic individual who's only goal is to ruin other peoples games and from your own team no, no, and just no. riot has made multiple ques for a reason if your playing league to have fun thats perfectly fine DO NOT PLAY RANKED THEN. Its called the "competitive" game mode for a reason. Your logic and reasoning is completely backwards. you are blaming the butterfly for being a butterfly because the moths keep picking on it, like wtf?
> [{quoted}](name=ROX Prime,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pfOVLJ8,comment-id=000a000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-29T14:01:15.076+0000) > > LOL Dude your ENTIRE argument is "because riot said so it must be right" no its not at all its based on being a respectful mature civilized player who realizes that they are playing a mere video game That means simply mute and ignore stuff you don't like. IMO they should do away with chat bans all together and go straight to a 1 week game ban for a first offence they should also perma ban a lot quicker than they do. If i didn't care about making sure that players with the attitude you portrayed here get reported I would play with mute all on at the start. > and ill tell you now its not simply cause riot is the ONLY competitive game that has taken this stance on toxicity and guess what it has done nothing but make league the game with the single most banned accounts associated with its game. _________________________ > SavageConcordia (NA) - 2 months ago > > Dota, overwatch, Guildwars 2 and HoS all have report functions to deal with verbal toxicity. > > https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Report > > https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/31422 > > http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/19818500/introducing-new-reporting-options-and-the-silence-penalty-9-7-2015 > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reporting > > The only PC game that does not have a report function that I have regularly played is TF2. __________________ > emotional blah blah has nothing to do with it. ill tell u first hand im and Aquarius, known for there lack of emotion towards things, and i have 6 banned accounts. it has everything to do with it .... i guess you do not even read what you write yourself ..... that is anger and a bunch of other negative emotions. 6 banned accounts says everything about you ........ I wish riot could find away to ban players like you permanently. _________________ > no, no, and just no. riot has made multiple ques for a reason if your playing league to have fun thats perfectly fine DO NOT PLAY RANKED THEN. Its called the "competitive" game mode for a reason. Your logic and reasoning is completely backwards. you are blaming the butterfly for being a butterfly because the moths keep picking on it, like wtf? Again you are completly 100% wrong. Again you cannot blame any negative action or words on the game itself . There may be multiple que but anyone can play any que for any reason. Personally i been treating ranked like normal's for the last few years .... at least in ranked i get a free skin/ ward ...would I get that playing normal ...no ...I am the most casual ranked player you will probably ever meet. Again read my reply to you again,.IF YOU want to take is "competitively" YOU are the one that needs to leave and find others who like stressing out over the status and outcome of a video game the same as you. well it seem I have to educate you on why you are wrong and solo ranked is not for most of the serious "competitive" players First of all anyone is free to play any champ in any role with any strategy. Champ select is not trolling in any way at any time > WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago > > Let’s re-iterate our stance from before: > > Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta? > > A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form. Please don't bring up singed or numu...what happened there at the very most was a EXCEPTION to the rule it does not in any way invalidate the above ..... " it`s all about being a team and play as 5 " If you go into solo que expecting that it will have the same cohesiveness and team play as a premade there is your problem right there ... here is why That is one of the reasons mute is so good . Some players stress out too much over what everyone else is doing instead concentrating on their own game. Its actually quite common to even have to ping mute some pme because they are stressing out tooo much, These are the _ACTUAL FACTS _of random que: * People will not have the same views as you * They will not take ranked as a serious as you. Some actually realize this is just a VIDEO GAME * Some people play ranked because its more worthwhile than normal I really could care less about rank "prestige" or "LP" Example: some people play ranked because at the very least they get free skin and ward at the end ... do they get that playing normal ...nooo you get nothing, So why would they ? I actually have fun win OR lose , even if there is a feeder or afk if we are getting stomped or doing the stomping and I ALWAYS vote no. I don't play ranked to listen to someone stress out like losing a game is the end of the universe . Its a video game the point is to HAVE FUN actually playing the game not just the outcome ..yes again even in ranked. Some time you win some times you lose LP constantly fluctuates so don't stress about it as long as you have fun you are always a winner. * There are legitimate toxic people who join games for the sole purpose of ruining it for others ( intentional feeders, afk, verbal abuse etc ) you cant get away from them. Its mind boggling some who choose to spend their time ruining other people games but there are some really immature uncivilized people in this world that will log on to do just that. You just have to assume your going to get one when you hit the solo que button and prepare for it . If you don't its a bonus, * Riot does not enforce Meta or champ " roles" or strategy in any mode at any level. ( In a ranked game you can "mid" Janna if you wanted to) * There is no "unskilled" if you don't like how someone is playing its is up to YOU to leave solo que not anyone else , * Riot themselves have stated that no one would ever be punished for non meta non role champ choice. That means anyone is free to play any champ in any role at any time that is NOT being a troll breaking the summoners code, * you are also allowed to play " 1st time champs" in ranked as well. * Also there is no refusing to communicate - so someone who doesn't listen to you is not being a troll either . No one will be punished for muting the team and not speaking in chat so if you think you can report someone for refusing to communicate your wrong. they are NOT doing anything breaking the summoners code or riots rules either > Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago > > A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out. > > You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing. _______________ Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people In other words... * If you want a "serious team" * if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it . * If you want to play meta * if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does. here is the simple solution stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason. *Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter) is great if your definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game but the enjoyment of simply "playing" the game regardless of what is happening during it. If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable. ( again ....no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason) Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get form playing any match. so solo que is a good "fit " for that type of player Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment. If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people You are basically spinning a roulette wheel On that wheel are * "serious people " like above * legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match, * People that may not take game as seriously as you * People who just want to rage and verbally abuse people for fun * a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind) * there are probably more player type examples as well Now if you take that and look at probability factors The chances of the "serious player" getting 4 other "serious people " is very low and The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you simply wont like Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people So knowing those odds why would anyone taking taking the game to that level of seriousness be surprised when you spin the wheel and lose and things don't turn out they way they think they should? So really taking all of this into account if you REALLY want to talk about player responsibility it up to each individual player to choose the option that is the best fit for them.
: Dude your argument is so bullshit it hurts trying to think around it. First, asking people to just mute and move on when someone is feeding, inting, trolling, flaming, afking, etc is psycho and shows a lack of understanding about human behavior and emotion as well as competitive game environments (an elague broadcast on LIVE TV has someone stand up, between games, and tell his opponent "YOU SUCK!!!!!" (which did nothing but increase the intensity and importance of the match, not create some "toxic" environment no one wants to be apart of lol). Second, NO amount of positive reinforcement is gonna subsidize the gold/exp/item lead the other team will have from this feeding teammate, its as if u dont understand the mechanics of your own game. third,yes, we **where** all new to the game but that doesnt mean shit in a silver or gold game, where u have had to play at least 50 games to get to that point( unless u bought a boost, which a new player would not know to do or think about), and saying silver gold arent good at the game is also not an argument because you have enough understanding of the game to know if im 1/6 i dont walk back to lane and engage a fight with my laner. Lastly this is a game about skill and decision making NO one cares what you do or dont or wouldnt appreciate, it has nothing to do with whats happening in-game as well some people lack the ability to self reflect and need others to do it for them ( kinda the whole point of a coach no?) so If your unable to take criticism from a mistake u made then u should stop playing ranked (not league **RANKED**)
> [{quoted}](name=ROX Prime,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pfOVLJ8,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-12-27T22:37:03.379+0000) > > Dude your argument is so bullshit it hurts trying to think around it. First, asking people to just mute and move on when someone is feeding, inting, trolling, flaming, afking, etc is psycho and shows a lack of understanding about human behavior and emotion as well as competitive game environments" You should looking in the mirror before calling any response bs after writing that response. Your whole response was bs but that part literately made me laugh. especially the part where you think its "psycho" No person can blame their lack of emotional control or anger magement skills on anything but themselves Also You do realize your talking about a _**video game .**_..your not a pro your not playing for money .....its just something people do for fun...yes even in ranked. so if you are going to rage in it that is your issue keep it on your side of the computer screen. You cannot blame it on Riot , other players legitimate or rule breaker or "competitive" Furthermore if YOU want to take the game "seriousness" and "competitively" I suggest you then stay out of solo que where random people are not likely to share your view and you run the risk of immature toxic individual who's only goal is to ruin other peoples games and from your own team, Don't have enough contacts to form a premade ...that to bad but is not anyone else problem either and still does not give you the right to act as you did. This Cut and paste response is all the time is the only other to put in to responding to this . _____________________ Here is a couple of quotes from the mods regarding " defending yourself" > (LET'S NOT FORGET THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY SELF WHEN SOMEONE ATTACKS ME VERBALLY ESPECIALLY ON THE FU*KING INTERNET) _________ > Ulanopo (NA) - 24 days ago > > No, you actually don't. This isn't a free speech issue. Riot controls the space, which grants them the authority to set the rules. If they don't want you in their house, you have to leave. ^^^this is a point i wish more people understood ^^^ > Chermorg (NA) - 18 days ago > > You still don't have the right to "defend yourself". That has never been a "right" in League. "Defending yourself" is rude, annoying, and turns one toxic player into multiple that your teammates and the enemy have to deal with. And it doesn't actually stop toxicity. ____________________________ Even if you respond with a negative comment or criticism ONE TIME you deserve to be punished You cannot blame your verbal abuse, toxic attitude or negative comments on the game or any other player. Every player is 100% responsible for their own actions and speech. _**It does not matter if its your promo and you have 2 intentional feeders and an afk..... You still don't have the right to express you dissatisfaction in game in any way shape or form.**_ No matter what anyone says or does in game you are not to react or respond to it in any way shape or form either mute and or ignore. _**There is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.**_ ^^^^^What part of this is such difficult concept to comprehend?????^^^^^^^^ If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with. It also portrays you as an immature childish uncivilized player and person. If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it _**you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.**_ If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond _**you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.**_ If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out" _**You deserve to be punished**_ It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases. No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed, In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to * Be verbally abusive/ verbally offensive * React or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive * Chastise those legitimately breaking the rules * Chastise those who you don't agree with (play style,champ choices etc..) * Try to correct something you think someone is doing wrong ( without their permission) * Complain about anything happening in game * Rant about any personal grievance in the game * Give any type of negative "commentary" regarding whats happening in the game Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken, the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you" If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x" yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still _**Just A Video Game **_ and not a serious life or death situation if you do. so if you go into a rage or become verbally abusive to it ... even if the loss was because of a legitimate rule breaking player ... That is not a problem with the other player riot or the game .... but the player who is raging. Every player is responsible for their own actions and no player can blame any behavior that contravenes Riots behavioral policy on anything but themselves
: why refuse surrender 4v5?
Some people realize this is just a video game ( even in ranked) and have _**fun simply Playing the game during the match**_ no matter if it is a win or lose even if the outcome is a steam roll win or loss. Also no retreat no surrender ever once and a while you can actually turn a loss into a win. *#*alwaysvoteno
judoka13 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mindspeaker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0cJuEAEq,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-23T04:19:29.643+0000) > > Enjoy your eventual perma ban and know it was greatly deserved because _**you have no right**_ to speak to anyone in that manor not even legitimate trolls You are wrong. If someone wrongs you by trolling you have EVERY right to stand up for yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=judoka13,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0cJuEAEq,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-27T12:34:26.542+0000) > > You are wrong. If someone wrongs you by trolling you have EVERY right to stand up for yourself. LOL nope sorry that is completely the wrong attitude. That is an example of immature uncivilized player behavior Here is a couple of quotes from the mods regarding " defending yourself" > (LET'S NOT FORGET THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY SELF WHEN SOMEONE ATTACKS ME VERBALLY ESPECIALLY ON THE FU*KING INTERNET) _________ > Ulanopo (NA) - 24 days ago > > No, you actually don't. This isn't a free speech issue. Riot controls the space, which grants them the authority to set the rules. If they don't want you in their house, you have to leave. ^^^this is a point i wish more people understood ^^^ > Chermorg (NA) - 18 days ago > > You still don't have the right to "defend yourself". That has never been a "right" in League. "Defending yourself" is rude, annoying, and turns one toxic player into multiple that your teammates and the enemy have to deal with. And it doesn't actually stop toxicity. ____________________________ Even if you respond with a negative comment or criticism ONE TIME you deserve to be punished You cannot blame your verbal abuse, toxic attitude or negative comments on the game or any other player. Every player is 100% responsible for their own actions and speech. _**It does not matter if its your promo and you have 2 intentional feeders and an afk..... You still don't have the right to express you dissatisfaction in game in any way shape or form.**_ No matter what anyone says or does in game you are not to react or respond to it in any way shape or form either mute and or ignore. _**There is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.**_ ^^^^^What part of this is such difficult concept to comprehend?????^^^^^^^^ If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with. It also portrays you as an immature childish uncivilized player and person. If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it _**you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.**_ If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond _**you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.**_ If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out" _**You deserve to be punished**_ It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases. No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed, In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to * Be verbally abusive/ verbally offensive * React or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive * Chastise those legitimately breaking the rules * Chastise those who you don't agree with (play style,champ choices etc..) * Try to correct something you think someone is doing wrong ( without their permission) * Complain about anything happening in game * Rant about any personal grievance in the game * Give any type of negative "commentary" regarding whats happening in the game Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken, the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you" If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x" yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still _**Just A Video Game **_ and not a serious life or death situation if you do. so if you go into a rage or become verbally abusive to it ... even if the loss was because of a legitimate rule breaking player ... That is not a problem with the other player riot or the game .... but the player who is raging. Every player is responsible for their own actions and no player can blame any behavior that contravenes Riots behavioral policy on anything but themselves
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> [{quoted}](name=5th Account Name,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QW0wXEna,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-24T07:20:01.803+0000) > > Nice assumption of me as a PERSON based on my response to your passive-aggressive bull-crap, how did you think I was going to take it? Truth hurts doesn't it ... What kind of response do you think you would get form the whiny temper temper tantrum and Your refusal to act like a civilized player If you don't like the randomness of legitimate players or want the risk of having an intentionally disruptive person on your team and want to take VIDEO GAME seriously Stay out of solo que and just play with pre-mades... don't have enough contacts for that TOO BAD that is not anyone eles problem and does not give you the justification or the right to stress out over a VIDEO GAME. let me repeat Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people In other words... * If you want a "serious team" * if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it . * If you want to play meta * if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does. here is the simple solution stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason. Some of us have been playing for years ON ONE GAME PLAY ACCOUNT and still manege to get our skin/ ward rewards dealing with everything you rant about and still not lose our temper or become negative in any way. Ranked ( for example) is nothing more profitable version of normal's if you want to take it seriously that;s your problem . Keep your rage on your side of the computer screen. Honestly ragers like you are the reason I made a forum account for this game. Soo yea ...based on this thread and your responses ... i think i made a quite accurate educated guess about you.
scazzman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mindspeaker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:44:54.127+0000) > > soooo what you are saying is you have no actual facts,......again...... and this is just coming out of out imagination ... again.......... I got an ifs popup for someone i salt reported not expecting it to actually do anything. This is the only explanation i can think of since this person was blatantly doing it. But not anything else
> [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:49:07.114+0000) > > I got an ifs popup for someone i salt reported not expecting it to actually do anything. This is the only explanation i can think of since this person was blatantly doing it. But not anything else Riot has more info about what every player is doing every game .... they can even tell if you are passively trying to avoid leave buster . That's is one of the things I watch for myself in games. it could have been something they were doing you missed or maybe it was from a previous game there are no actual facts . all you have is a "feeling" My point is : Supposition is along way from making a PSA that voting no can be griefing and can get you punished
scazzman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mindspeaker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:29:03.737+0000) > > ^^^^^ this ^^^^ > > **facepalm** I have been voting no every single time for over 3 years and not even a warning > > really where you come up with these ideas for these theories of yours lol > > I still get amused at the whiny people even at my level of play that that throw immature temper tantrums in chat when the vote does not go their way an rant in chat about how there is no point playing if you are not going to win ..... and then and then the satisfaction of reporting them for negative attitude and or verbal abuse > > No retreat no surrender .... stop worrying about the outcome of the game and just have fun playing until its over. > > If any player doesn't like that ...hey its not the other people that are the problem .... they should take responsibility for their own choices and top joining solo que. > > but you already knew that ....right ????????? The difference is you vote no EVERY time. You dont vote no spitefully to piss people off
> [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:46:23.765+0000) > > The difference is you vote no EVERY time. You dont vote no spitefully to piss people off how do you know what the other persons intentions are ? > And pretend to be positive to not make it obvious. He didnt int or do anything else that would flag the IFS.
scazzman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:05:23.210+0000) > >.As far as the public knows, Its possible the IFS is only recently analyzing surrender votes" Im also accepting the fact i _could_ be wrong
> [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:44:47.350+0000) > > Its possible the IFS is only recently analyzing surrender votes" ummm nooo.....not without a public statement from Riot for something like this It is also extremely illogical as a it would make the vote itself usless again i always vote no and and have never got even a warning in game for ANYTHING > Im also accepting the fact i _could_ be wrong WOW....you think.....the fact you think that is even possible is amazing.
scazzman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:05:23.210+0000) > > No. This is not true. As far as the public knows, the only surrender voting that is punishable is when a premade group decides to force a surrender of a obviously winning game onto others. Im telling the truth. The only other explaination i can think of is the person i reported was punished for a previous game
> [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:41:37.022+0000) > > Im telling the truth. The only other explaination i can think of is the person i reported was punished for a previous game soooo what you are saying is you have no actual facts,......again...... and this is just coming out of out imagination ... again..........
Ulanopo (NA)
: "Someone else did something worse" is never an excuse for bad behavior.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1xtAoFrU,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-12-22T23:26:53.235+0000) > > "Someone else did something worse" is never an excuse for bad behavior. ^^^^ this ^^^^ Another great bit of wisdom that will go unnoticed by toxic players in general.
AraMoOse (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:07:07.376+0000) > > That doesn't sound right. You've been here long enough to have read some of OPs previous posts. If you haven't, let me spare you the trouble ; they are always as rigorous and thought provoking as this one.
> [{quoted}](name=AraMoOse,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:15:39.507+0000) > > You've been here long enough to have read some of OPs previous posts. If you haven't, let me spare you the trouble ; they are always as rigorous and thought provoking as this one. ^^^^ this ^^^^ infinity up votes
Chermorg (NA)
: No. This is not true. As far as the public knows, the only surrender voting that is punishable is when a premade group decides to force a surrender of a obviously winning game onto others.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qMEJA0UO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-23T00:05:23.210+0000) > > No. This is not true. As far as the public knows, the only surrender voting that is punishable is when a premade group decides to force a surrender of a obviously winning game onto others. ^^^^^ this ^^^^ **facepalm** I have been voting no every single time for over 3 years and not even a warning really where you come up with these ideas for these theories of yours lol I still get amused at the whiny people even at my level of play that that throw immature temper tantrums in chat when the vote does not go their way an rant in chat about how there is no point playing if you are not going to win ..... and then and then the satisfaction of reporting them for negative attitude and or verbal abuse No retreat no surrender .... stop worrying about the outcome of the game and just have fun playing until its over. If any player doesn't like that ...hey its not the other people that are the problem .... they should take responsibility for their own choices and top joining solo que. but you already knew that ....right ?????????
exxpose (NA)
: > and YES saying someone is bad once should get you reported and punished. LMAO you think that someone typing a line "you're bad" should give them an instant 10-game chat restriction. hahahha rofl Holy shit the sensitive snowflake syndrome has really peaked in you hasn't it XD
> [{quoted}](name=exxpose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xJ6KVlwL,comment-id=00080000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-22T00:59:21.494+0000) > > LMAO you think that someone typing a line "you're bad" should give them an instant 10-game chat restriction. > > hahahha > > rofl > > Holy shit the sensitive snowflake syndrome has really peaked in you hasn't it XD Actually I think Riot should do away with chat restriction all together and go straight to game bans maybe 1 week to start as there is no justification for that **EVER** if you are going to act like an immature uncivilized toxic player as you have displayed in this entire thread, and rage over a video game you don't deserve the privilege of playing Sooo...keep proving what a toxic and uncivilized person you are with every response the Pure fact is if you feel the need to tell someone "they are bad" , be verbally abusive, rage or make any form of negative comment or criticism at all while playing a mere video game your the one with psychological and sociological issues
: So, according to the people on the forums, every ban is deserved.
op Nothings perfect but I personally have not seen a ban some one posted that was not justified in over three years here.... also.... > WookieeCookie (NA) submitted 8 months ago in Player Behavior Player Support Lead - Player Behavior > > We stand by these audits; upon review 99% of players audited were correctly disciplined. Intentional Feeders, Bots, cheaters, and rage quitters are all common offenses found through our audits
exxpose (NA)
: > This is where you start being negative with your team. Based on what you said, I'm guessing this was a failed gank? No, it was when I was 1v1'ing my laner and they got away with like 5HP and I was in disbelief that they lived because I thought I had the damage to kill them. Another problem with Riot is that when they post chat logs, they don't include time stamps. So a 3rd party viewing the logs think that the person is just spamming text, when really each message group is 5-6 minutes apart. Another problem with Riot is if it's just a computer skimming the chat log, they think I'm being negative about a team mate, when I'm merely commenting about my own disbelief: _wtf they actually didn't die from that???_ >You're continuing to be negative and you're insulting your teammates and you've started to harass Rammus. No, this is the first time I say anything about rammus. Saying "you're bad, report rammus for inting" one time isn't harassment. >Seems like this is more of a commentary on your enemy but also a passive aggressive jab at your teammates because you feel it's their fault that the enemy has scaled higher than you. Not sure which lane this is in reference to... but this is negative in my view. Are you implying I got punished for typing the KDA of my team mates with absolutely zero negative comments toward it? Just the numbers. LOL. You realize how ridiculous that sounds. "The riot automated system punished me for typing random numbers" >This is getting to the point of excessive negativity IMO. Are you mentally stable? In what world is "how did i luck out with such awesome team mate" a negative statement that would be flagged from an automated system's POV. lol The only reason you're nit picking is because you're looking at the chat through tunnel vision and trying to project your own misguided interpretation of the log. You've already intentionally interpreted 2 other things as being negative when they clearly weren't, just to fit your own agenda. >You're calling someone out on feeding again. Yeah and that's the 2nd comment I made toward him. So one at the 10 min mark and one at the 28 minute mark. I made 2 mildly negative comments and got a chat restriction for it. 2 comments of "xyz is bad" "xyz is inting" isn't harassment nor does it merit a 10 game chat restriction. Players say 10x worse in game and don't ever get punished. You're trying to justify that every single player who ever says "xyz is bad" "xyz is inting/feeding" in _only 2 instances in the game_ should be automatically punished. I can link you every single game I play, point out more instances and prove that people don't get punished for those things.
> [{quoted}](name=exxpose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xJ6KVlwL,comment-id=000800000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-20T17:35:31.835+0000) > > Based on what you said, I'm guessing this was a failed gank? > > No, it was when I was 1v1'ing my laner and they got away with like 5HP and I was in disbelief that they lived because I thought I had the damage to kill them. > > Another problem with Riot is that when they post chat logs, they don't include time stamps. So a 3rd party viewing the logs think that the person is just spamming text, when really each message group is 5-6 minutes apart. > > Another problem with Riot is if it's just a computer skimming the chat log, they think I'm being negative about a team mate, when I'm merely commenting about my own disbelief: _wtf they actually didn't die from that???_ > > No, this is the first time I say anything about rammus. Saying "you're bad, report rammus for inting" one time isn't harassment. > > Are you implying I got punished for typing the KDA of my team mates with absolutely zero negative comments toward it? Just the numbers. LOL. You realize how ridiculous that sounds. "The riot automated system punished me for typing random numbers" > > Are you mentally stable? In what world is "how did i luck out with such awesome team mate" a negative statement that would be flagged from an automated system's POV. lol The only reason you're nit picking is because you're looking at the chat through tunnel vision and trying to project your own misguided interpretation of the log. You've already intentionally interpreted 2 other things as being negative when they clearly weren't, just to fit your own agenda. > > Yeah and that's the 2nd comment I made toward him. So one at the 10 min mark and one at the 28 minute mark. I made 2 mildly negative comments and got a chat restriction for it. > > 2 comments of "xyz is bad" "xyz is inting" isn't harassment nor does it merit a 10 game chat restriction. Players say 10x worse in game and don't ever get punished. > > You're trying to justify that every single player who ever says "xyz is bad" "xyz is inting/feeding" in _only 2 instances in the game_ should be automatically punished. I can link you every single game I play, point out more instances and prove that people don't get punished for those things. There was no "2 things" the vast majority of your entire chat log was toxic and YES saying someone is bad once should get you reported and punished. thanks for proving what i said in my previous response....No point talking to you because no matter what anyone says ... you deny it and have some sort of deference > I doubt you will... you didn't come here because you wanted to learn you are too set in your mind that what you do is "acceptable" which its not and I believe it will eventually lead you to a perma ban It does not matter what other players do and say .. it only matters what you do and say. ""ohh well i saw someone else do it " "ohh thats jsut posting number" it does not matter what the other players stats are . Those are completely immature childish excuses. _**You have proven in this thread you are a toxic player that does not wish to reform.**_ _**Any punishment you get for continuing to break Riots behavioral guild lines I stated to you in plain language and you ignored will be completely justified.**_
: 'Toxicity' and its context
> [{quoted}](name=CervixWhisperer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uHlXtXhJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-20T06:16:39.961+0000) > So when 1 player lashes out at that/those inters/feeders or neg attituders in game look at the match on a whole and not just extract the alleged offender's 'toxic' attitude when doling out judgment. That is incorrect... Player 1 in your example deserves to be punished as equally as the intentional feeder. You cannot blame your verbal abuse, toxic attitude or negative comments on the game or any other player. Every player is 100% responsible for their own actions and speech. _**It does not matter if its your promo and you have 2 intentional feeders and an afk..... You still don't have the right to express you dissatisfaction in game in any way shape or form.**_ Here is the standard copy and paste for this type of attitiued __________________________________ No matter what anyone says or does in game you are not to react or respond to it in any way shape or form either mute and or ignore. There is absolutely no justification to meet negativity with more negativity Here is a couple of quotes from the mods regarding " defending yourself" > (LET'S NOT FORGET THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY SELF WHEN SOMEONE ATTACKS ME VERBALLY ESPECIALLY ON THE FU*KING INTERNET) _________ > Ulanopo (NA) - 24 days ago > > No, you actually don't. This isn't a free speech issue. Riot controls the space, which grants them the authority to set the rules. If they don't want you in their house, you have to leave. ^^^this is a point i wish more people understood ^^^ > Chermorg (NA) - 18 days ago > > You still don't have the right to "defend yourself". That has never been a "right" in League. "Defending yourself" is rude, annoying, and turns one toxic player into multiple that your teammates and the enemy have to deal with. And it doesn't actually stop toxicity. ____________________________ _**There is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.**_ ^^^^^What part of this is such difficult concept to comprehend?????^^^^^^^^ If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with. It also portrays you as an immature childish uncivilized player and person. If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it _**you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.**_ If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond _**you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.**_ If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out" _**You deserve to be punished**_ It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases. No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed, In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to * be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive * react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive * chastise those legitimately breaking the rules * Chastise those who you don't agree with * complain about anything * Rant about any personal grievance in the game * giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken, the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you" If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x" yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still just a video game and not a serious life or death situation if you do. and really--- Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy? 1 Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced 2 Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value? The safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all. If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up perma banned once you reach the top punishment tier.
exxpose (NA)
: There is no "excessive". It's 2 lines.
> [{quoted}](name=exxpose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xJ6KVlwL,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-20T00:54:02.362+0000) > > There is no "excessive". It's 2 lines. Its actually 3 lines you left clear.... and that excessive .. there should be 0 lines ....... no justification for any negative chat ... The actually fact is the vast majority of your chat log is _**completely toxic immature and negative.**_ Honestly if you keep up this way you end up getting game bans and if you still don't reform a perma ban. > exxpose: ffs > exxpose: wtf that was a free kill > exxpose: how are u so bad? lmao > exxpose: report rammus for inting > exxpose: thanks for feeding ashe > exxpose: 0/11 bot lane > exxpose: wow > exxpose: and a 0/6 jungler > exxpose: wow > exxpose: how did i get so lucky > exxpose: with such an awesome team > exxpose: 0/12 > exxpose: ff > exxpose: this game is over > exxpose: that was rammus > exxpose: i only died 2x to garen > exxpose: not my fault rammus keep inting > exxpose: report him It does not matter what is happening there is no justification for any type of negative comment , criticism or response. You know maybe actually try reason my post so you can understand how riot expect s you to behave in game. I doubt you will... you didn't come here because you wanted to learn you are too set in your mind that what you do is "acceptable" which its not and I believe it will eventually lead you to a perma ban
Ulanopo (NA)
: No. Just no. This argument simply doesn't fly. It never has and it never will. There are many reasons for this, but foremost among them is the fact that _context cannot live solely in the heart of the speaker_. What you are saying is that simply mouthing a platitude like "I meant it as a joke" or "It's not intended as an insult" excuses pretty much anything. That's not the way this works. The burden is on you as the speaker to limit (or ideally eliminate) the offense you give to others in a particular space. If you don't like what people consider offensive - and League players are, as a whole, _more than clear about what they find offensive_ - then you can go someplace more amenable to your particular method of expressing yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5roLtyhZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-19T23:53:20.551+0000) > > No. Just no. > > This argument simply doesn't fly. It never has and it never will. > > There are many reasons for this, but foremost among them is the fact that _context cannot live solely in the heart of the speaker_. What you are saying is that simply mouthing a platitude like "I meant it as a joke" or "It's not intended as an insult" excuses pretty much anything. > > That's not the way this works. The burden is on you as the speaker to limit (or ideally eliminate) the offense you give to others in a particular space. If you don't like what people consider offensive - and League players are, as a whole, _more than clear about what they find offensive_ - then you can go someplace more amenable to your particular method of expressing yourself. This X 1000000000000000000000000000000 to the power of 1000000000000000000000000000000
exxpose (NA)
: Here is a chat log I received a 10-chat game restriction for. I don't get annoyed in games often, perhaps one game out of 50. I've highlighted the 4 lines of text that display "negative" commentary. The rest of the comments were neutral about whatever even happened in the game such as me telling my team someone doesn't have flash, or that I missed a free kill, r saying the enemy is able to kill me without ult after I get caught out and die. It boggles my mind that asking someone to be reported 2 times and saying someone is bad one time receives an instant punishment considering people say much much worse in my games and get away with it. If Riot had been transparent and explicitly stated that rallying for reports is not allowed, then I would have never told my team to report rammus, and I would not have received this punishment. It's also important to note that this log was over a 28 minute game where my team was calling eachother, including me, retarded and using other vulgar, more severe and excessive language. I did my best not to respond to my team pointing fingers at who fed whom. This isn't a log where I gave out any criticism, because I mostly kept my mouth shut this game. But I don't see where there is "excessive negativity" to merit the 10-chat restriction punishment. Literally 5 lines of text. The first 2 were said at the same time, and the last 2 were said 20 minutes later. You can't even give the argument "oh well you were harassing rammus ALL game". Lol no I wasn't? I said 2 passing lines 20 min apart. That's not harassment, nor is it excessive negativity. The sad part is that people in all of my games exhibit far more "negative comments" in every single game I play. It's difficult to understand how this meritted a punishment, when the average conversation of all of my games is scattered with 10x more negative commentary. Being 10x more flamatory is "the norm" in the current generation of games from what I've witnessed. So what exactly did I receive a punishment for if every single game in league of legends has communication far worse than the log below? What exactly can deduce from the "warning" riot gave me? Absolutely nothing. This is why I wish Riot was more transparent. I look at this chat log and I genuinely have no idea why I received a punishment when the "norm" conversations people are having in every game are far worse than this. Did I get punished because I rally'd to get rammus reported? Did I get punished because I called someone "bad" one time in a game? Explain to me this. Game 1 ~~exxpose: ffs~~ ~~exxpose: i cant cs~~ ~~exxpose: i didnt have ping issues earlier~~ ~~exxpose: i cant move~~ ~~exxpose: okay for now~~ ~~exxpose: top is gone~~ ~~exxpose: he has no ult~~ ~~exxpose: no flash~~ ~~exxpose: wtf that was a free kill~~ _exxpose: how are u so bad? lmao_ _exxpose: report rammus for inting_ _exxpose: thanks for feeding ashe_ ~~exxpose: she doesnt even need ult to kill me~~ ~~exxpose: 0/11 bot lane~~ ~~exxpose: wow~~ ~~exxpose: and a 0/6 jungler~~ ~~exxpose: wow~~ ~~exxpose: how did i get so lucky~~ ~~exxpose: with such an awesome team~~ ~~exxpose: 0/12~~ ~~exxpose: ff~~ ~~exxpose: this game is over~~ ~~exxpose: that was rammus~~ ~~exxpose: i only died 2x to garen~~ _exxpose: not my fault rammus keep inting_ _exxpose: report him_
> [{quoted}](name=exxpose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xJ6KVlwL,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-19T16:52:55.258+0000) > > Here is a chat log I received a 10-chat game restriction for. I don't get annoyed in games often, perhaps one game out of 50. I've highlighted the 4 lines of text that display "negative" commentary. The rest of the comments were neutral about whatever even happened in the game such as me telling my team someone doesn't have flash, or that I missed a free kill, r saying the enemy is able to kill me without ult after I get caught out and die. It boggles my mind that asking someone to be reported 2 times and saying someone is bad one time receives an instant punishment considering people say much much worse in my games and get away with it. > > If Riot had been transparent and explicitly stated that rallying for reports is not allowed, then I would have never told my team to report rammus, and I would not have received this punishment. > > It's also important to note that this log was over a 28 minute game where my team was calling eachother, including me, retarded and using other vulgar, more severe and excessive language. I did my best not to respond to my team pointing fingers at who fed whom. > > This isn't a log where I gave out any criticism, because I mostly kept my mouth shut this game. But I don't see where there is "excessive negativity" to merit the 10-chat restriction punishment. Literally 5 lines of text. The first 2 were said at the same time, and the last 2 were said 20 minutes later. You can't even give the argument "oh well you were harassing rammus ALL game". Lol no I wasn't? I said 2 passing lines 20 min apart. That's not harassment, nor is it excessive negativity. > > The sad part is that people in all of my games exhibit far more "negative comments" in every single game I play. It's difficult to understand how this meritted a punishment, when the average conversation of all of my games is scattered with 10x more negative commentary. Being 10x more flamatory is "the norm" in the current generation of games from what I've witnessed. So what exactly did I receive a punishment for if every single game in league of legends has communication far worse than the log below? What exactly can deduce from the "warning" riot gave me? Absolutely nothing. > > This is why I wish Riot was more transparent. I look at this chat log and I genuinely have no idea why I received a punishment when the "norm" conversations people are having in every game are far worse than this. Did I get punished because I rally'd to get rammus reported? Did I get punished because I called someone "bad" one time in a game? Explain to me this. > > > Game 1 > ~~exxpose: ffs~~ > ~~exxpose: i cant cs~~ > ~~exxpose: i didnt have ping issues earlier~~ > ~~exxpose: i cant move~~ > ~~exxpose: okay for now~~ > ~~exxpose: top is gone~~ > ~~exxpose: he has no ult~~ > ~~exxpose: no flash~~ > ~~exxpose: wtf that was a free kill~~ > _exxpose: how are u so bad? lmao_ > _exxpose: report rammus for inting_ > _exxpose: thanks for feeding ashe_ > ~~exxpose: she doesnt even need ult to kill me~~ > ~~exxpose: 0/11 bot lane~~ > ~~exxpose: wow~~ > ~~exxpose: and a 0/6 jungler~~ > ~~exxpose: wow~~ > ~~exxpose: how did i get so lucky~~ > ~~exxpose: with such an awesome team~~ > ~~exxpose: 0/12~~ > ~~exxpose: ff~~ > ~~exxpose: this game is over~~ > ~~exxpose: that was rammus~~ > ~~exxpose: i only died 2x to garen~~ > _exxpose: not my fault rammus keep inting_ > _exxpose: report him_ Please read the above posts you seem to be ignoring it will answer your questions why you 100% deserved to be punished for this chat log. Your excessive negative commentary and verbally abusive remarks. Personally would have reported you for negative attitude and verbal abuse and that is just for the spots you left clear.
RuFiot (EUW)
: All this pro non meta pics, new strategies, freedom to experiment and not being a meta slave from riot, but they still allow other players to ban my unusual picks in champ select...
> [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgWgN4F6,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-19T06:23:12.004+0000) > > All this pro non meta pics, new strategies, freedom to experiment and not being a meta slave from riot, but they still allow other players to ban my unusual picks in champ select... That is because you also have the freedom and are allowed to ban who ever you want to ban.. some people are immature uncivilized players and will use that power against their team for nefarious purposes and ban a teammates pick. I don't support that and its not a mature thing to do but it is technically "legal"
: Team game, 1 players enjoyment should not inflict the rest of the team
> [{quoted}](name=iDontDuo420,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgWgN4F6,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-19T04:02:57.004+0000) > > Team game, 1 players enjoyment should not inflict the rest of the team Everything Chermorg said is factual. Since you don't seem to connecting with their advice I thought i would give it a try. Here is a quote from a Riot employee on this matter of non meta picks. > WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago > > Let’s re-iterate our stance from before: > > Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta? > > A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form. I am also including a cut and paste regarding this topic. TL/ DR > Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people > > In other words... > > If you want a "serious team" > if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it . > If you want to play meta > if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does. > > here is the simple solution > > stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and just play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason. If you don't have enough contacts to make a premade that's a personal issue It is not Riots or other players fault so you still don't have the right to dictate how others legitimately play or view the game within Riots behavioral guidelines. ______________________________________________ First of all anyone is free to play any champ in any role with any strategy. Champ select is not trolling in any way at any time > WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago > > Let’s re-iterate our stance from before: > > Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta? > > A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form. Please don't bring up singed or numu...what happened there at the very most was a EXCEPTION to the rule it does not in any way invalidate the above ..... > it`s all about being a team and play as 5 If you go into solo que expecting that it will have the same cohesiveness and team play as a premade there is your problem right there ... here is why That is one of the reasons mute is so good . People stress out too much over what everyone elese is doing instead doing . Its actually quite common to even have to ping mute some pme because they are stressing out tooo much, These are the _ACTUAL FACTS _of random que: * People will not have the same views as you * They will not take ranked as a serious as you. Some actually realize this is just a VIDEO GAME * Some people play ranked because its more worthwhile than normal I really could care less about rank "prestige" or "LP" Example: some people play ranked because at the very least they get free skin and ward at the end ... do they get that playing normal ...nooo you get nothing, So why would they ? I actually have fun win OR lose , even if there is a feeder or afk if we are getting stomped or doing the stomping and I ALWAYS vote no. I don't play ranked to listen to someone stress out like losing a game is the end of the universe . Its a video game the point is to HAVE FUN actually playing the game not just the outcome ..yes again even in ranked. Some time you win some times you lose LP constantly fluctuates so don't stress about it as long as you have fun you are always a winner. * There are legitimate toxic people who join games for the sole purpose of ruining it for others ( intentional feeders, afk, verbal abuse etc ) you cant get away from them. Its mind boggling some who choose to spend their time ruining other people games but there are some really immature uncivilized people in this world that will log on to do just that. You just have to assume your going to get one when you hit the solo que button and prepare for it . If you don't its a bonus, * Riot does not enforce Meta or champ " roles" or strategy in any mode at any level. ( In a ranked game you can "mid" Janna if you wanted to) * There is no "unskilled" if you don't like how someone is playing its is up to YOU to leave solo que not anyone else , * Riot themselves have stated that no one would ever be punished for non meta non role champ choice. That means anyone is free to play any champ in any role at any time that is NOT being a troll breaking the summoners code, * you are also allowed to play " 1st time champs" in ranked as well. * Also there is no refusing to communicate - so someone who doesn't listen to you is not being a troll either . No one will be punished for muting the team and not speaking in chat so if you think you can report someone for refusing to communicate your wrong. they are NOT doing anything breaking the summoners code or riots rules either > Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago > > A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out. > > You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing. _______________ > [{quoted}](name=iDontDuo420,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tgWgN4F6,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-19T04:02:57.004+0000) > > Team game, 1 players enjoyment should not inflict the rest of the team Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people In other words... * If you want a "serious team" * if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it . * If you want to play meta * if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does. here is the simple solution stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason. *Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter) is great if your definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game but the enjoyment of simply "playing" the game regardless of what is happening during it. If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable. ( again ....no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason) Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get form playing any match. so solo que is a good "fit " for that type of player Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment. If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people You are basically spinning a roulette wheel On that wheel are * "serious people " like above * legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match, * People that may not take game as seriously as you * People who just want to rage and verbally abuse people for fun * a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind) * there are probably more player type examples as well Now if you take that and look at probability factors The chances of the "serious player" getting 4 other "serious people " is very low and The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you simply wont like Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people So knowing those odds why would anyone taking taking the game to that level of seriousness be surprised when you spin the wheel and lose and things don't turn out they way they think they should? So really taking all of this into account if you REALLY want to talk about player responsibility it up to each individual player to choose the option that is the best fit for them.
exxpose (NA)
: > when it comes to understanding the human mind and emotions of other players But you don't know the minds and emotions of other players. You only know the mind and emotions of yourself and you're projecting your own emotions onto other people. "I feel this way therefor everyone else must feel the same way too." When this in fact isn't true. You may personally feel harassed and offended that someone calls you out on your feeding and asks the team to report you, but there are players out there who could care less and don't find that behavior as someone "being a jerk". How do you not understand this basic concept? >These players do know why they're getting banned because they get warnings. How can you justify this? My entire thread is about the community literally not know. I've given examples where I have been chat restricted for a mild chat log _and I personally have no idea why I received the chat restriction for._ People don't know. If people knew then there wouldn't be repeat offenders, except in the few cases where they are doing it on purpose despite knowing the consequences. You say "plays know because they get warnings", yet there are countless users making threads on the forums "Do I deserve this punishment?" "Why did I get chat restricted?" "Unfair ban". These players _literally have no idea_ which aspect of their behavior they need to cease. Denying this fact is just being delusional to reality. "I'm going to ignore the hundreds of topics on the forums asking about chat restrictions and make the statement that every single person knows exactly why they were punished" LOL >Riot is VERY vocal about it. No... where are they vocal about it? I've been a new(ish) player to league for 8 or 9 months now and I have never even known the forums existed until someone mentioned it to me 2 weeks ago. Riot isn't vocal in the client. They post your chat log and that's it... no explanations. You're left guessing why you were chat restricted in your chat log when the chat log consists of 30 messages of casual neutral conversation about donuts, with a line or two of "wow my jungler sucks" "he never ganked my lane" "report mid lane for inting" BAM you get slapped with a 10-game chat restriction. I wish Riot was vocal about explaining exactly what you got punished for. >You find it okay to harass players with a report because they don't meet your standards of playstyle. You're a delicate snowflake if you think one line of "report mid lane for inting" = harassment. Do you know what harassment is? It's persistent antagonistic verbal conduct (in context to league). Key word: persistent. Key word: repeated. Unless you're badgering a user constantly throughout a game then it's not harassment. Most players make a passing remark here or there about someone's poor gameplay and move on to talk about a neutral topic like donuts or which objective to take next. Then get slapped with a chat restriction anyway. >Just like the rest of the board says, the rules are perfectly transparent and absolutely understandable. Only like 4 people said this. Not "the rest of the board". The entire board is littered with post saying they don't understand why they got punished. Just because you close your eyes and refuse to look at reality, doesn't mean it's not there. The problem is that Riot isn't transparent, and you just close your eyes to the hundreds of threads made by usings crying that Riot isn't transparent and you pretend that repeating the same phrase "riot is transparent" is going to magically make it become true. LOL Your entire argument is based on things that simply aren't true when you put together the evidence. You merely want to believe it's true because you've grown comfortable in the position you hold and tunnel vision'd perspective of the community. "I'm not the problem---they are the problem" mentality. It's not hard to agree that Riot can do a better job of providing players with resources and tools in the game client itself to explain their punishment and explain specifically which behavior is wrong. It's not hard to agree that if Riot were to add explanations or highlight the specific text in each chat log which triggered an instant response punishment, that people would decrease their negative behavior. I know if I received an explanation saying "hey you did this this and this. Don't do this again" then I 100% would never do that again. It would have prevented so many 10-game chat restrictions. I am not personally a toxic person. I don't have many infractions in the game, aside from the 2-3 ten game restrictions I've received over my 8 or so months on League, most of those are simply from not knowing that you're not allowed to do/say certain things. All of the chat logs I've received were extremely mild in nature and left me perplexed as to why I was punished in the first place. But go ahead, close your eyes and pretend there isn't a flaw in the system or a way that Riot can improve their feedback for users who receive punishments. ** You're actively saying "no I don't want new players to better-understand what they're doing wrong, c/p the chat log is ENOUGH and after reading their chat log they OBVIOUSLY know what they did wrong. The ones posting on the forums asking why they got a restriction are just filthy liars, they know exactly why they were restricted. I don't want Riot to add any kind of explanation for players and I don't want Riot to take extra steps to help prevent future punishments by being more transparent with players. Nope nope nope"**
> [{quoted}](name=exxpose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xJ6KVlwL,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-18T21:01:33.176+0000) > > But you don't know the minds and emotions of other players. You only know the mind and emotions of yourself and you're projecting your own emotions onto other people. "I feel this way therefor everyone else must feel the same way too." When this in fact isn't true. You may personally feel harassed and offended that someone calls you out on your feeding and asks the team to report you, but there are players out there who could care less and don't find that behavior as someone "being a jerk". How do you not understand this basic concept? > > How can you justify this? My entire thread is about the community literally not know. I've given examples where I have been chat restricted for a mild chat log _and I personally have no idea why I received the chat restriction for._ People don't know. If people knew then there wouldn't be repeat offenders, except in the few cases where they are doing it on purpose despite knowing the consequences. You say "plays know because they get warnings", yet there are countless users making threads on the forums "Do I deserve this punishment?" "Why did I get chat restricted?" "Unfair ban". These players _literally have no idea_ which aspect of their behavior they need to cease. Denying this fact is just being delusional to reality. "I'm going to ignore the hundreds of topics on the forums asking about chat restrictions and make the statement that every single person knows exactly why they were punished" LOL > > No... where are they vocal about it? I've been a new(ish) player to league for 8 or 9 months now and I have never even known the forums existed until someone mentioned it to me 2 weeks ago. Riot isn't vocal in the client. They post your chat log and that's it... no explanations. You're left guessing why you were chat restricted in your chat log when the chat log consists of 30 messages of casual neutral conversation about donuts, with a line or two of "wow my jungler sucks" "he never ganked my lane" "report mid lane for inting" BAM you get slapped with a 10-game chat restriction. > > I wish Riot was vocal about explaining exactly what you got punished for. > > You're a delicate snowflake if you think one line of "report mid lane for inting" = harassment. Do you know what harassment is? It's persistent antagonistic verbal conduct (in context to league). Key word: persistent. Key word: repeated. Unless you're badgering a user constantly throughout a game then it's not harassment. Most players make a passing remark here or there about someone's poor gameplay and move on to talk about a neutral topic like donuts or which objective to take next. Then get slapped with a chat restriction anyway. > > Only like 4 people said this. Not "the rest of the board". The entire board is littered with post saying they don't understand why they got punished. Just because you close your eyes and refuse to look at reality, doesn't mean it's not there. The problem is that Riot isn't transparent, and you just close your eyes to the hundreds of threads made by usings crying that Riot isn't transparent and you pretend that repeating the same phrase "riot is transparent" is going to magically make it become true. LOL > > Your entire argument is based on things that simply aren't true when you put together the evidence. You merely want to believe it's true because you've grown comfortable in the position you hold and tunnel vision'd perspective of the community. "I'm not the problem---they are the problem" mentality. > > It's not hard to agree that Riot can do a better job of providing players with resources and tools in the game client itself to explain their punishment and explain specifically which behavior is wrong. It's not hard to agree that if Riot were to add explanations or highlight the specific text in each chat log which triggered an instant response punishment, that people would decrease their negative behavior. > > I know if I received an explanation saying "hey you did this this and this. Don't do this again" then I 100% would never do that again. It would have prevented so many 10-game chat restrictions. I am not personally a toxic person. I don't have many infractions in the game, aside from the 2-3 ten game restrictions I've received over my 8 or so months on League, most of those are simply from not knowing that you're not allowed to do/say certain things. All of the chat logs I've received were extremely mild in nature and left me perplexed as to why I was punished in the first place. > > But go ahead, close your eyes and pretend there isn't a flaw in the system or a way that Riot can improve their feedback for users who receive punishments. > ** > You're actively saying "no I don't want new players to better-understand what they're doing wrong, c/p the chat log is ENOUGH and after reading their chat log they OBVIOUSLY know what they did wrong. The ones posting on the forums asking why they got a restriction are just filthy liars, they know exactly why they were restricted. I don't want Riot to add any kind of explanation for players and I don't want Riot to take extra steps to help prevent future punishments by being more transparent with players. Nope nope nope"** You don't seem to be registering what Zombie Gerbil is trying to tell you. so I thought I would give it a try. > Only like 4 people said this. Not "the rest of the board". The entire board is littered with post saying they don't understand why they got punished. I been on here for over 3 years. Most of the people say "they don't understand" is actually the same reason you seem to have trouble understanding. ( if i am correctly interpreting your posts up to this point) They think they are allowed to react confront or respond to anything that displease them in game and use any language they wish. or they are allowed to call out players intentionally breaking the rules. they cannot grasp 2 simple concepts 1 Players are not allowed to react or respond to anything they don't like in game. If someone is legitimately breaking the rule s you are to ignore them and report them PRIVATELY after the match. 2 Players don't have any right to criticize how someone is playing legitimately or intentionally breaking the rules As for giving players "advice" If you want to give someone advice its best _**to ask permission first **_. If you get silence , no or anything but some form of "yes", _**Keep you opinions to yourself.**_ Personally i would most likely give you silence. the only reason i don't mute all a the start of the match is so I can help clean up the community and know who to report at the end of it . Other than that I rarely say anything in chat I do ping stuff feel is important but I only respond to stuff if i personally think its worthwhile or have the time for. > You may personally feel harassed and offended that someone calls you out on your feeding and asks the team to report you, Its irrelevant what a person "feels " about it ... You are not allowed to react or respond to negative behavior of any kind. If you do you deserve to be punished 1 Report = 9 reports that how the system works so as long as you report them that is enough ..there is literally no need to ask for reports. Calling out feeders or anyone breaking game play rules strictly forbidden. > Most players make a passing remark here or there about someone's poor gameplay and move on to talk about a neutral topic like donuts or which objective to take next. Then get slapped with a chat restriction anyway. that is not allowed. If you are going to make a comment about poor game-play YOU should be punished and most likely will be punished I personally report anyone who adds any type of negativity to the match or responds or reacts to it. Have you read this ??? Also if you want more transparency read and follow this. If you follow all this points you will not get punished. Here is what you have been asking for..... The question is do you even want to follow it .... the way you are talking i sense you are trying to find a loophole to express your dissatisfaction at the way others play. > [{quoted}](name=Mindspeaker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xJ6KVlwL,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-12-17T21:21:13.708+0000) > > They are pretty much transparent. > > Don't intentionally disrupt the game in any way and don't be verbally abusive for any reason or react/respond to someone breaking game play rules or being verbally abusive for any reason. > > In point form that breaks down to > > DON'T.......... > > * Intentionally feed. > * Go afk > * Stop participating ( passive leave buster avoidance) > * Be verbally abusive/ verbally offensive > * React or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive > * Chastise those legitimately breaking the rules > * Chastise those who you don't agree with (play style,champ choices etc..) > * Try to correct something you think someone is doing wrong > * Complain about anything happening in game > * Rant about any personal grievance in the game > * Give any type of negative "commentary" regarding whats happening in the game > > Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's > > Basically you are required to act like a mature civilized player 100% of the time no matter what is happening in game .
exxpose (NA)
: Why isn't Riot more vocal and transparent about what merits punishment?
They are pretty much transparent. Don't intentionally disrupt the game in any way and don't be verbally abusive for any reason or react/respond to someone breaking game play rules or being verbally abusive for any reason. In point form that breaks down to DON'T.......... * Intentionally feed. * Go afk * Stop participating ( passive leave buster avoidance) * Be verbally abusive/ verbally offensive * React or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive * Chastise those legitimately breaking the rules * Chastise those who you don't agree with (play style,champ choices etc..) * Try to correct something you think someone is doing wrong * Complain about anything happening in game * Rant about any personal grievance in the game * Give any type of negative "commentary" regarding whats happening in the game Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's Basically you are required to act like a mature civilized player 100% of the time no matter what is happening in game .
: This entire comment chain off-topic. You were the one who posted before me. And yes, I like to put effort in my arguments so they can hold their water instead of resorting to petty microagressions.
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=00030000000000020001000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-17T10:22:01.690+0000) > > I know you said you weren't trying, but you could at least make a cohesive sentence. soo your comments are so weak your resorting to attacking grammatical errors and replying to yourself ?? LOL **facepalm** smh
scazzman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mindspeaker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T15:12:28.157+0000) > > lol You are as amusing as ever. thanks again for the laugh. I told you before you considering troll is where I want to be ....until you develop a more mature and civilized attitude > > Maybe one day you will the the capacity and cognitive aptitude to actually comprehend one of my "copy and paste" and realize the actions/chat from certain players that talk about are the a failure on the players side form have lack of emotional stability and anger management skills ..... or simply the result of natural be in a negative toxic person in general. > > Not in any way the fault of anything else people wish to blame it on. > > This is an actual factual statement ..wow coming from you that's amazing!!!!!! > > You are right I like to do my part to at least help clean up the community form the types of people I have discussed > > Really the only people that have to worry about me are the peole who through immature temper tantrums over the status and outcome of a video game or respond to players doing such things. > > I know its a difficult concept for some to actually grasp but there is no justification for either. > > I assure you until i get board with trying to educate the misinformed on what is actually acceptable behavior in game you can look forward to many more copy and pastes as long as other players insist on repeating the same topics over and over again. > > till then... {{summoner:11}} creampeye is that you?
> [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-17T04:40:38.004+0000) > > creampeye is that you? nope LOL -10/10 reply
: i understand that. could you answer me this, is this behavior okay to you?
> [{quoted}](name=Gizmo Wrench,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6Ov9ZIk7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-12-17T02:59:35.247+0000) > > i understand that. could you answer me this, is this behavior okay to you? No . But its part of the "reality" of the game unfortunately . I don't think Riot will ever get rid of immature negative uncivilized players.. the only think you can do is use the tools Riot has provided ( mute and report) do not engage or respond tot hem in any way shape or form. or stop playing in any random que and just form your own premade teams.
: Seriously this games players are terrible
you know ..i herd there was this thing called a mute button .... you should try it some time
: Of course, I've been here nearly for 8 years. I've seen it all and went through it all. But I still would never take that course of action and get punished. That's why I'm still here because I know better. I am always and forever will be part of the game rather being part of the problem PS: That's why I mute them and ignore them. Haven't failed me yet and still on the same account since 2009.
> [{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=b28YuAxy,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-12-17T01:55:26.175+0000) > > Of course, I've been here nearly for 8 years. I've seen it all and went through it all. > But I still would never take that course of action and get punished. That's why I'm still here because I know better. I am always and forever will be part of the game rather being part of the problem > > PS: That's why I mute them and ignore them. Haven't failed me yet and still on the same account since 2009. ^^^ this ^^^ If you get mad and lash out at the state or outcome of a video game and get punished for it ... only the person you see when you look in the mirror is the one who holds 100% of the blame for the result.
: > Im not been toxic at all! You were given 3 games of examples in how you are.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8P5625Vp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-09-20T17:23:46.533+0000) > > You were given 3 games of examples in how you are. Some people just refuse to accept facts presented ..... Awesome smite Tantram
: This entire comment chain off-topic. You were the one who posted before me. And yes, I like to put effort in my arguments so they can hold their water instead of resorting to petty microagressions.
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=0003000000000002000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T20:35:15.610+0000) > > This entire comment chain off-topic. You were the one who posted before me. > > And yes, I like to put effort in my arguments so they can hold their water instead of resorting to petty microagressions. actually my comment you were referring to was relevant to the person I was responding to. yea too bad you have holes the size of manhole covers and it all leaked out. lol
: No, it is a direct response to your >The difference is this is a forum not in game so your response and example is invalid and foolish. The rules on the Boards are looser than in-game, but their still similar. It doesn't matter where you are, your toxicity is not welcome
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=00030000000000020001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T17:29:00.492+0000) > > No, it is a direct response to your > > The rules on the Boards are looser than in-game, but their still similar. > > It doesn't matter where you are, your toxicity is not welcome Everything from your first reply has not been on topic. Your discussing Forum policies in a topic about in game to make a point that "bye fleicia" is a toxic reply maybe it is ...the point is what is allowed on the forums should NEVER be allowed in game. there should be a Zero Tolerance policy IN GAME against any type of negative actions or speech. If they would enforce as strict a policy on the forum think the forums as they do in game I think the forums would be better for it. BTW I find it hilarious how much effort you are putting into this.
: Why is the ban bot so broken
> You can get banned for as little as calling one person trash or worthless ONCE or TWICE. That's all it takes. YOU MUST BE PERFECT or banned. Heaven forbid anyone ever get mad. That is how it should be. There is no justification for that . If you getting mad over a video game ....that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability and anger management skills ....you cannot blame the game , riot other players ( even the legitimately disruptive) for that in any way. if you bring your anger into the game you deserve to be punished continue to do it and you deserve to lose the privilege of playing this game and be permanently banned.
: If it's just a game you can play normals, and since you are such a happy snowflake you will be happy to hear that by playing normals you won't ruin the experience for people who just want to rank up
> [{quoted}](name=noname11415,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000000000002,timestamp=2017-12-16T15:17:06.991+0000) > > If it's just a game you can play normals, and since you are such a happy snowflake you will be happy to hear that by playing normals you won't ruin the experience for people who just want to rank up wrong. if you read my big long post in this thread in this thread talking about that explain why .... here i ll give you a sneak peak. > Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get from playing any match.
: Done, Reported, and moved on with my life
> [{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eQnR50xV,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T08:37:10.065+0000) > > Done, Reported, and moved on with my life ^^^^^^ This^^^^^^^ YOU ( the player) control and are responsible for your own actions speech. No matter what anyone does or says in game no matter how bad if YOU choose to respond to it in any way the YOU rightly deserve to be punished as well.
scazzman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-15T00:33:22.380+0000) > > More like the only route for players who play solo and want as competitive an experience as possible, which the majority are. > > So by this logic, you're saying that if you don't want to be rightfully frustrated about random people doing random things, you shouldnt play any team based online game ever. I do not support this line of thinking. > > I partly have that opinion. I think there is more than one possible way to go about it, and there is another post on the boards at the moment where I take part in that discussion. Feel free to go there and disagree with me on that too, as many people already have. > > Well I said that because it's the truth, but go ahead and say it's deflecting if it makes you feel better. I have likewise been a long time viewer, and off and on poster on the boards, and I've been in my fair share of discussions where the replies have rapidly lengthened exponentially to the point where it becomes difficult for the brain to take it all in. > > Well I think, for example, I have the right to express my dissatisfaction at a player who claims to be playing seriously/competitively when they pick teemo bot in a diamond level game. Why? Because if they were truly playing seriously, they should have the knowledge that teemo bot is a non-meta, lower percentage chance of winning pick than a meta adc such as ezreal. ignore mindspeaker. he is a troll who makes patronizing copy pastas and stalks people on the boards with differing opinions. and he also deliberately leaves people off mute just so he knows who to report
> [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T06:20:53.463+0000) > > ignore mindspeaker. he is a troll who makes patronizing copy pastas and stalks people on the boards with differing opinions. and he also deliberately leaves people off mute just so he knows who to report lol You are as amusing as ever. thanks again for the laugh. I told you before you considering troll is where I want to be ....until you develop a more mature and civilized attitude Maybe one day you will the the capacity and cognitive aptitude to actually comprehend one of my "copy and paste" and realize the actions/chat from certain players that talk about are the a failure on the players side form have lack of emotional stability and anger management skills ..... or simply the result of natural be in a negative toxic person in general. Not in any way the fault of anything else people wish to blame it on. > [{quoted}](name=scazzman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-16T06:20:53.463+0000) > deliberately leaves people off mute just so he knows who to report This is an actual factual statement ..wow coming from you that's amazing!!!!!! You are right I like to do my part to at least help clean up the community form the types of people I have discussed Really the only people that have to worry about me are the peole who through immature temper tantrums over the status and outcome of a video game or respond to players doing such things. I know its a difficult concept for some to actually grasp but there is no justification for either. I assure you until i get board with trying to educate the misinformed on what is actually acceptable behavior in game you can look forward to many more copy and pastes as long as other players insist on repeating the same topics over and over again. till then... {{summoner:11}}
: The description for PB&M on Boards reads: >**This board is all about fostering a healthy community** in which discussions can revolve around player behavior systems or in-game suspensions. This includes topics on how the systems work, insight into why players were punished, and advice to help players improve moving forward. You are not fostering a healthy community by being toxic. [Here are the universal rules for Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4LgZ2EwM-universal-rules) From Universal Rules, at the very top: >Golden Rule: Always be respectful to players, community members, moderators, and Rioters. Harassment and insults will not be tolerated (“just playing” is NOT a catch-all excuse). While his comment may be seen as wrong by most people, it's at least not directed towards any one person >then you will eventually get perma banned if it is against riots behavioral policys , it will be deserved and the community will be better of without you.. kthxbye felicia Your comment however, by using you, is singling him out and harassing him. This is toxic. I don't think you picked this up based on the previous comment (I put a misspelt "toxic boully" and "-Riot" to try to make it clear that I was satirizing), but I'm just showing the flaws in Riot's strict anti-toxic policies.
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=000300000000000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-15T18:06:10.888+0000) > > The description for PB&M on Boards reads: > > You are not fostering a healthy community by being toxic. > > [Here are the universal rules for Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4LgZ2EwM-universal-rules) > > From Universal Rules, at the very top: > > While his comment may be seen as wrong by most people, it's at least not directed towards any one person > kthxbye felicia > > Your comment however, by using you, is singling him out and harassing him. This is toxic. > > > > I don't think you picked this up based on the previous comment (I put a misspelt "toxic boully" and "-Riot" to try to make it clear that I was satirizing), but I'm just showing the flaws in Riot's strict anti-toxic policies. again this has nothing to do with in game which is what the topic is about. If the same rules applied ... the majority of "rant" threads in the pb forum would need to be deleted immediately as well as the comments for "responding" to them ..... 5/10 nice try though.
: Your statement is claiming he deserves a permaban and the "kthxfelicia" implies a microaggression. Therefore, you are a toxic boully. -Riot
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=0003000000000002000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-15T05:33:15.787+0000) > > Your statement is claiming he deserves a permaban and the "kthxfelicia" implies a microaggression. Therefore, you are a toxic boully. > > -Riot The difference is this is a forum not in game so your response and example is invalid and foolish. Different rules apply between the forum and the game if you lack the cognitive reasoning to discern the difference between them that is your own problem
Paper1 (EUW)
: With respect, I think you're throwing a rather unnecessary temper tantrum over this topic. I don't think you've really understood the point I was making either. > Your contact list is no one concern but yours if you cant make your own ranked team that is your problem not of any one else concern. If you cant do this then you have to accept a random que as random. We're not talking about ranked teams. We're talking about your idea that if you don't like playing with random people, then don't play solo queue. My point is you cannot play league as regularly as quickly as solo queue. As soon as you want to bring in people that you know, there is time management of four other people to have to contend with. Also, people you find on e.g. The boards looking for teammates do not count as people you know. > this made me laugh...you cannot be banned for not taking ranked "competitive or seriously." You conveniently took my quote out of context. In the previous sentence, I confirmed that I was referring to those players who behave as in point 2. Also in response to that, nothing you said was wrong, however you're making assumptions about how I think about the game which are simply not true. For instance, nowhere have I said or suggested that I do not accept the "risks" of solo queue. I was generally saying that ignoring as an action isn't ideal from the view of trying to prevent bad behaviour in the future. Instead, we report such behaviour after the game. From here, you write a lot of stuff that I probably only read half of it before I stopped. I'll say this. The OP didn't give you a mountain of information to argue with, and you've managed over the course of two comments between me and you to type an essay. I think you should be careful about making assumptions about how people view certain things. You're not a psychic. I am happy to talk about specific things if you want, but I am not going to listen to somebody who wrongly interprets statements of others to support their agenda.
> [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T13:10:04.770+0000) > > With respect, I think you're throwing a rather unnecessary temper tantrum over this topic. I don't think you've really understood the point I was making either. > You can believe what you want I mentioned I copy and pasted so not everything was relevant to your statement as in it wasn't just for you ..but for any one reading that shared the "its not just a video game " , "ranked is only for serious competitive" mindset that happen to be reading. > [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T13:10:04.770+0000) > We're not talking about ranked teams. We're talking about your idea that if you don't like playing with random people, then don't play solo queue. My point is you cannot play league as regularly as quickly as solo queue. As soon as you want to bring in people that you know, there is time management of four other people to have to contend with. Also, people you find on e.g. The boards looking for teammates do not count as people you know. You are completely right depending on your contact list you many not be able play as quickly , consistently or efficiently with premade as you can with hitting a random que button. My whole point is if you want to take the "quick route" you cannot blame anyone for wasting your time ( including intentional disruptions) because you choose to take said "quick route" knowing that other players may not share your views ( normal players) and another group of players exist who's only purpose in logging in is to intentionally ruin people games. so you can believe what you want I mentioned I copy and pasted so not everything was relevant to your statement as in it wasn't just for you ..but for any one reading that shared the " ranked is only for serious competitive" mindset. The final point is you can disagree with that if you like but the fact remains _**If you don't like playing with random people ...don't put your self in that position and if you do and are unhappy with the result your really only have yourself to blame.**_ > [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T13:10:04.770+0000) > I was generally saying that ignoring as an action isn't ideal from the view of trying to prevent bad behavior in the future. Instead, we report such behavior after the game. As long as you of the opinion from a player stand point that you completely ignore said behavior in game completely ( as in not even "report X" or "mute X" type comments and privately file all _**Legitimate Reports**_ at the end of the match then I totally agree with that statement > [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T13:10:04.770+0000) > From here, you write a lot of stuff that I probably only read half of it before I stopped. I'll say this. The OP didn't give you a mountain of information to argue with, and you've managed over the course of two comments between me and you to type an essay. I think you should be careful about making assumptions about how people view certain things. You're not a psychic. LOL..soo much deflection.... I wasn't trying to be . I generally just cut and paste the same thing because I have been here for years and see the same rants for years like the ops original post. > [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T13:10:04.770+0000) > I am happy to talk about specific things if you want, but I am not going to listen to somebody who wrongly interprets statements of others to support their agenda. My whole post ( that you said you didn't completely read ) does has a specific theme.... if you want to take a video game seriously including ranked ....don't play in solo que. The only agenda I have had for the past 3+ years on these boards is to informed the misinformed ...that anyone can play any que for any reason (within riots set behavioral guidelines)... and if you want to play as specific way ( as in taking ranked so called "competitively/ seriously") your welcome to do that but if you join a random solo que don't expect others to seethe game as you do an no one has the right to tell anyone how they should be playing the game.
: Reminder we need a kick/remake function in lobby.
Reminder NO we don't meta dictators and imature people who stress over a video game would abuse it.
: Keep your non-meta picks out of my ranked games!
op umm noo ! IF you don't like off meta picks how about YOU stay out of the random que !
: Did you mean to say that people who react to toxicity getting banned makes you feel good as well?
> [{quoted}](name=Faceroll Tactics,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=0003000000000002000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-14T01:38:45.936+0000) > > Did you mean to say that people who react to toxicity getting banned makes you feel good as well? Not reacting to them getting banned... reacting to them as they are being toxic There is no reason to respond or react to people being toxic . For example.. if someone is intentionally feeding and a player "call them out" .. they deserve to be punished as well. mute and /or ignore is the only reaction acceptable to someone being toxic That is of course only one situational example
: Hypocrisy is unreal
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=00030000000000020001,timestamp=2017-12-13T23:58:26.511+0000) > > Hypocrisy is unreal Please explain where the hypocrisy is ...if you can...
Paper1 (EUW)
: 1. I'd love to see you try finding ten, non-random (?) people to play a LoL game with on a regular basis. 2. If people are intentionally ruining games, then likely this breaks the rules and should be recognised and reported. Ignoring it means these people don't get punished, and the behaviour continues. Also, a game set up with premades is a different game that the one in solo queue because of the draft phase. Players should not have to accept bad behaviour from others because they prefer the game "type" of solo queue. Either they follow the etiquette of playing competitively and seriously in a queue designed for that, or they don't and risk getting banned.
> [{quoted}](name=Paper1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-12-13T15:59:01.975+0000) > > 1. I'd love to see you try finding ten, non-random (?) people to play a LoL game with on a regular basis. > > 2. If people are intentionally ruining games, then likely this breaks the rules and should be recognised and reported. Ignoring it means these people don't get punished, and the behaviour continues. > > Also, a game set up with premades is a different game that the one in solo queue because of the draft phase. Players should not have to accept bad behaviour from others because they prefer the game "type" of solo queue. Either they follow the etiquette of playing competitively and seriously in a queue designed for that, or they don't and risk getting banned. 1. Your contact list is no one concern but yours if you cant make your own ranked team that is your problem not of any one else concern. If you cant do this then you have to accept a random que as random. 2 Agreed they should be reported... privately ..at the end of the game but during the game you are REQUIRED according to Riots behavioral policy to ignore and not respond to anything that you don't like in game including players legitimately breaking the rules. Verbal abuser , intentional feeders, afkers are always going to exist and you are always going to lose games because of them. If you can't handle that and accept it as part of the "risk" of joying solo que > they follow the etiquette of playing competitively and seriously in a queue designed for that, or they don't and risk getting banned. > this made me laugh...you cannot be banned for not taking ranked "competitive or seriously." if you think you can ...LOL **facepalm** there is a section below in where I discuss this lol. It does n not matter what players "Should not have to put up with" its about the reality of the situation if you cant handle reality that is again your issue here is my standard copy and paste reply for those who think everyone should take ranked seriously.... Ohh look a person ranting about ranked..... and how everyone should play according to how they think it is... and what they think the requierments should be and how they should be able to react etc etc etc ....yawwwwwnnnnnn.... over 3 years of this ...and people wonder why I copy paste sooo without further ado ...here is the copy paste for rank ranters... First of all anyone is free to play any champ in any role with any strategy. Champ select is not trolling in any way at any time > WookieeCookie (NA) - 8 months ago > > Let’s re-iterate our stance from before: > > Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta? > > A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form. Please don't bring up singed or nunu...what happened there at the very most was a EXCEPTION to the rule it does not in any way invalidate the above No your quote but it another misconception of players joining solo que ..... > it`s all about being a team and play as 5 If you go into solo que expecting that it will have the same cohesiveness and team play as a premade there is your problem right there ... here is why That is one of the reasons mute is so good . People stress out too much over what everyone elese is doing instead doing . Its actually quite common to even have to ping mute some pme because they are stressing out tooo much, These are the _ACTUAL FACTS _of random que: * People will not have the same views as you * They will not take ranked as a serious as you. Some actually realize this is just a VIDEO GAME * Some people play ranked because its more worthwhile than normal I really could care less about rank "prestige" or "LP" Example: some people play ranked because at the very least they get free skin and ward at the end ... do they get that playing normal ...nooo you get nothing, So why would they ? I actually have fun win OR lose , even if there is a feeder or afk if we are getting stomped or doing the stomping and I ALWAYS vote no. I don't play ranked to listen to someone stress out like losing a game is the end of the universe . Its a video game the point is to HAVE FUN actually playing the game not just the outcome ..yes again even in ranked. Some time you win some times you lose LP constantly fluctuates so don't stress about it as long as you have fun you are always a winner. * There are legitimate toxic people who join games for the sole purpose of ruining it for others ( intentional feeders, afk, verbal abuse etc ) you cant get away from them. Its mind boggling some who choose to spend their time ruining other people games but there are some really immature uncivilized people in this world that will log on to do just that. You just have to assume your going to get one when you hit the solo que button and prepare for it . If you don't its a bonus, * Riot does not enforce Meta or champ " roles" or strategy in any mode at any level. * There is no "unskilled" if you don't like how someone is playing its is up to YOU to leave solo que not anyone else , * Riot themselves have stated that no one would ever be punished for non meta non role champ choice. That means anyone is free to play any champ in any role at any time that is NOT being a troll breaking the summoners code, * you are also allowed to play " 1st time champs" in ranked as well. * Also there is no refusing to communicate - so someone who doesn't listen to you is not being a troll either . No one will be punished for muting the team and not speaking in chat so if you think you can report someone for refusing to communicate your wrong. they are NOT doing anything breaking the summoners code or riots rules either > Riot Tantram (NA) - 2 years ago > > A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out. > > You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing . unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing. _______________ Seriously if you can't handle all those factors and you keep joining solo que you and your own choices are the problem so stop trying to shift the blame for YOUR displeasure on to other people when you keep choosing to play with random people In other words... * If you want a "serious team" * if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it . * If you want to play meta * if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does. here is the simple solution stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "know will play to your standard and with your views on the game" in.. There is a premade option for a reason. *Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter) is great if your definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game but the enjoyment of simply "playing" the game regardless of what is happening during it. If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable. ( again ....no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason) Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would someone get a champ / ward skin from playing normal all year ...no ...they would get nothing but the "normal rewards" you get form playing any match. so solo que is a good "fit " for that type of player Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment. If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people You are basically spinning a roulette wheel On that wheel are * "serious people " like above * legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match, * People that may not take game as seriously as you * People who just want to rage and verbally abuse peole for fun * a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind) * there are probably more player type examples as well Now if you take that and look at probability factors The chances of the "serious player" getting 4 other "serious people " is very low and The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you simply wont like Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people So knowing those odds why would anyone taking taking the game to that level of seriousness be surprised when you spin the wheel and lose and things don't turn out they way they think they should? So really taking all of this into account if you REALLY want to talk about player responsibility it up to each individual player to choose the option that is the best fit for them.
: With all due respect, stay the *fuck* out of ranked unless you're there to play and win. The whole point of that mode is the games being meaningful.
> [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6EaEaTVN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-13T14:20:26.568+0000) > > With all due respect, stay the *fuck* out of ranked unless you're there to play and win. The whole point of that mode is the games being meaningful. request denied . thanks for the laugh LOL
: If you think GG EZ should be punishable you're a failure
> [{quoted}](name=PROFESS0R FREEZE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cBfF2qVH,comment-id=0005000300010000,timestamp=2017-12-13T22:39:16.308+0000) > > If you think GG EZ should be punishable you're a failure LOL yea right... more like if you think it isn't that makes you an uncivilized immature toxic player
: You're a sadist who genuinely enjoys other people getting punished... That's borderline sociopathy.
> [{quoted}](name=Faceroll Tactics,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=00030000000000020000,timestamp=2017-12-13T19:33:09.649+0000) > > You're a sadist who genuinely enjoys other people getting punished... > That's borderline sociopathy. LOL **facepalm** wow the definitions in your reality smut be different. Yes People who deserve it . There is no reason or justification for the negative things people say or do in a video game INCLUDING peoele who react or respond to said negativity. so if they do get punished yes I do feel good justice is being served.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mindspeaker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-13T11:10:29.653+0000) > > then you will eventually get perma banned if it is against riots behavioral policys , it will be deserved and the community will be better of without you.. > > kthxbye felicia you seem like the person that needs perma banned since you cant mind your own fucking business
> [{quoted}](name=nightmaresasuke,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-12-13T11:19:59.800+0000) > > you seem like the person that needs perma banned since you cant mind your own fucking business LOL perfect example of a immature uncivilized toxic persons logic FYI : I make it my business not to mute all at the start specifically just so I can see the chat and report players like you .
: ill do and act how i want, kthxbye
> [{quoted}](name=nightmaresasuke,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=e8EOKrw2,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-13T11:05:54.241+0000) > > ill do and act how i want, kthxbye then you will eventually get perma banned if it is against riots behavioral policys , it will be deserved and the community will be better of without you.. kthxbye felicia
Barkley (NA)
: If you must argue like children...
Yes if you must be a immature uncivilized negative person or want to respond to one please do it outside the match in a private conversation. There you both can argue as much as you want.
Sockzz (NA)
: There is no way this is worth a perma ban
_** Punishment 100% justified.**_ No matter what anyone says or does in game you are not to react or respond to it in any way shape or form either mute and or ignore. There is absolutely no justification to meet negativity with more negativity Here is a couple of quotes from the mods regarding " defending yourself" > (LET'S NOT FORGET THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY SELF WHEN SOMEONE ATTACKS ME VERBALLY ESPECIALLY ON THE FU*KING INTERNET) _________ > Ulanopo (NA) - 24 days ago > > No, you actually don't. This isn't a free speech issue. Riot controls the space, which grants them the authority to set the rules. If they don't want you in their house, you have to leave. ^^^this is a point i wish more people understood ^^^ > Chermorg (NA) - 18 days ago > > You still don't have the right to "defend yourself". That has never been a "right" in League. "Defending yourself" is rude, annoying, and turns one toxic player into multiple that your teammates and the enemy have to deal with. And it doesn't actually stop toxicity. Also here is my standard copy paste gift for you op I doubt you'll get he message though _**There is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.**_ ^^^^^What part of this is such difficult concept to comprehend?????^^^^^^^^ If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with. It also portrays you as an immature childish uncivilized player and person. If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it _**you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.**_ If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond _**you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.**_ If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out" _**You deserve to be punished**_ It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases. No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed, In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to * be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive * react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive * chastise those legitimately breaking the rules * Chastise those who you don't agree with * complain about anything * Rant about any personal grievance in the game * giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken, the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you" If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x" yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still just a video game and not a serious life or death situation if you do. and really--- Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy? 1 Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced 2 Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value? The safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all. If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up perma banned once you reach the top punishment tier.
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