: I agree, Riven should have been JUSTICE ITSELF! Instead of being tied to some stupid edgy event with a predictable outcome.
It is utterly weird seeing Riven go from somebody who is chaotic good, that left a system that was broken to self imposed exil. Now suddenly being lawful evil. I'm not entirely a fan of the Skins lore. Kind of sad considering how much I like Angel type characters and how excited I was to see the new Riven skin. Ohwell.
: Its because people have this maddening idea that angels at large can't be truly good without weakness. Everything has to have a shade of grey to make sure everything is edgy. I would even go as far as to say angels in fiction fall under at least one or more of three categories. 1.) Angels are weak compared to demons or any other force of evil and are easily slaughtered. 2.) Angels are easily corruptible and could quickly go from your greatest ally to your greatest enemy. 3.) Angels are morally bankrupt and/or unforgivingly strict, acting as a force that typically only has slightly better liking to humans than they would to demons. Dawnbringer Riven and Kayle falls under the 3rd category. Neither are weak or corruptible (as far as we know) but both are intentionally dark and edgy for the sake of making both good and evil agreeable. Granted, they are not as bad as they could be, but both would kill anything that poses a threat to the greater good." Diablo is worse for wear. The angels of Diablo fall under all three categories, in being they are easily corruptible, easily overwhelmed by the forces of hell and even voted on whenever or not to exterminate the humans, just missing extinction by 1 friggin vote, that being Tyrael's. Don't even get me started on MTG. Frankly, I'm tired of it.
This so much I am actually fucking sick of fiction trying to be so unpredictable or edgy that it's always predictable and standardized. Like I'm legitimately sick of modern writers. Sometimes it's okay just to write a good guy sometimes it's okay just the right in expected concept. I seriously freaking wish that this skin hood release separate of some retarded event so they could have just made an angel Riven instead of having to try to make her comparable to another side. Lake holy fuck this skin release pisses me off.
: well, i didn't get it, then again i'm me the most uncultered dude
Tyrael is an angel of justice who protects the innocent and breaks angelic laws to do the right thing. The other is an overly controlling government who believes in 'peace' in exchange for freedom.
: Riven skin, expectation vs reality
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: you're really salty about him winning huh
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: Okay you clearly lack the severity of Riven's vision because you think she would let the people live in peace without understanding what kind of government we're talking about here. Think Nazi Germany or the Japanese Empire or Stalin's Russia. If you don't know history then we have nothing to talk about anymore. You seem to think Death is worse than a certain type of torture and pain. Imagine losing everyone you love and everything taken away from you as you're told to smile and do nothing. Imagine your loved ones being had their way with and you told to just do nothing or you die. You're too naive to have this conversation if you really think Death is the worst thing in the world.
>You're too naive to have this conversation *Le Facepalm* dropping the conversation then, since you have made it clear I am too naive to debate with you. lol
: Tbh; I just thought Chaos would win because Yasuo is easier to play than Riven. Not like I can play either very well, mind you. I can just stutter a double kill if I'm lucky as Yasuo, and as Riven... we don't talk about my Riven.
I am pretty good at Roven. Took 100k mastery to get her down but I finally did. Went from 45% win rate to 62%! Also congratulations on Warden. From my limited experience with you, you are an ideal pick for moderation and civil discussions.
: U mean lawful neutral? Also id put yasou under pure neutral maybe chaotic neutral. He isn't the joker (who would be chaotic evil someone who kills for the sheer joy of killing). The act of killing doesn't make you evil. If I have to nuke a city full of millions of humans because there is 1 zombie then that doesn't make me evil. It was for the greater good. He's simply doing what he thinks is right to pursue true freedom.
Actually my opinion dropping a nuke on the entire city to kill one zombie because you needed to purge the threat at any cost, would fall under lawful evil.
: Yea yasous arrogant... did ya miss the "She's just as bad as yasou" I'm not defending him. Both sides are terrible.
By the DnD alignment chart Riven falls under orderly neutral. Too strict, good ideals but enforced badly. Yasuo chaotic evil. Full of maliciousness and selfishness. Murderous. But believes in freedom from control. This was poor writing on Riot's part. Yasuo needed either more justice in his chaos to make him chaotic neutral. Or more evil from Riven so she was lawful evil. Which would have been better to make it extreme Noxus vs Demacia instead of Demacia vs world destruction. To draw a parallel.
: Dude. Riven flat out says "You will kneel before the light or be destroyed" There's no vauge philosophy. How they hell do you think she's going to create order and enforce her stricter rules? By KILLiNG EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES. She's just as bad as yasou. Except she's stuck up enough to think what she's doing is for the "greater good".
Sounds like half the champions in the game to me especially the Demacians and the heads of each state. Also she is talking to Yasuo specifically with that line, which would be like if an American said to a terrorist leader "You will surrender or die". Basically. Too extreme? Perhaps, but not specifically unusual. Yasuo has the arrogance to believe it is his right to take millions of lives so he can plunge the world into chaos so...
: >I know what you meant I was just being a little bit anal. Ahem, what
I apologize I see you are from European West, wherever you are from they may not use that terminology the way we do here. In the u.s. being anal is comparable to being overly particular for the sake of being annoying.
: > Sorry if it any point I felt heated or angry in this conversation, I am currently on a three-week work week, leading into an out-of-town training seminar. So I'm in the worst of fucking moods I've been in a while. I felt the need to explain that in case I was really rude. I didn't feel any negativity from your side. I hope you didn't feel any from my side too. I think that our discussion stays on neutral (hehe) ground. I feel sorry for that work week though, must be exhausting as hell. I wouldn't be so "mad" about the way Yasuo is evil if he was portrayed in a better way for example Joker in Dark Knight is just some pure evil psycho but how he was presented and his character is so damn good another example might be Lich King. Yasuo is just some edgy demon for teens without any depth.
Well the Lich King actually had a lot of depth for his reasoning. If they had made Yasuo more in line with that I would have liked it. Well certainly evil the Lich King did not intend to be evil, yet was really cool at being evil.
Sw4g3tti (EUNE)
: That is correct. Everyone has an accent. But actually I speak rally English which is a pretty strong accent. In the post I was talking about accents that are not GenAm tho' :P There is a lot of that accent in LoL examples: {{champion:21}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:163}}
I know what you meant I was just being a little bit anal. I would certainly love to see more characters with accents, for example I just played Talia the other day for the first time, and her voice over is extremely adorable. Except she needs to shut the fuck up about throwing another rock.
Dataless (NA)
: Bard cares about the existence of the universe as a whole, individuals and temporary structures mean nothing to him. One example given by his designer was, "He might save your life, but only because your descendant in the distant future is needed to save the world, he doesn't actually care about you." In that way Bard is more Chaotic Good (to use D&D terminology), to the casual observer Bard makes no sense and operates in a mysterious, whimsical manner.
That is quite interesting actually. I'd like to look into Bard a little bit more in that case, since in my novel I have some quite similar characters. I appreciate the information. Saved or not though I would love to meet Bard he's just like a really cool character, in fact he's in my top five Champions I'd like to meet. Braum Riven Shyvana Bard Ashe Kassadin Old Galio Lux Are my top 8. The champions I want to stay the fuck away from are anything from the void, shadow isles, Jinx, Jhin, most Noxians, several Demacians, most of the monsters... and so forth.
: Being morally worse doesn't make it shitty. The way in which he is evil is just shitty (hey guys let's annihilate everything and that's it). We have morally grey character (which is naturally more interesting) against pure uninteresting cliché evil character.
Okay well that's a fair point. I agree and disagree, I definitely would prefer just like demacia vs noxus if Yasuo had had more moral Clarity on why he chose his path. That said there are people who just want to watch the world burn and if you gave them the power they might try to, I also know some very mentally unstable anti-government conspiracy theorists. That isn't to say I side with the government, I actually have a heavy distaste for the American government at the moment and for the past few years. That said if I was given the choice to let them have the power to do as they please, or have the government remain in charge. I would be forced to choose the government. That right there is why to me Yasuo is acceptable in his demon lore. Even if I would have preferred more moral ambiguity. Sorry if it any point I felt heated or angry in this conversation, I am currently on a three-week work week, leading into an out-of-town training seminar. So I'm in the worst of fucking moods I've been in a while. I felt the need to explain that in case I was really rude.
Sw4g3tti (EUNE)
: We need more champions with accents
Little secret. Everyone has an accent, your accent is just normal for you.
Dataless (NA)
: And then there are {{champion:432}} mains like me who legit don't give a shit about this event. Or anything else for that matter. 2cosmic2care
His cinnimatic suggests he cares more about peace and order, preservation and good will. Than being a destructive asshole who kills people.
: It doesn't matter if Riven achieved less points the ending result is still her defeat. In situation where both sides are handled with same justice we actually have a more interesting event. Riven's defeat with interesting lore > Riven's defeat with shitty lore.
: You can't rebuild it without some destruction. When a failing company get bought out by a other company the first thing that goes is all of the upper management (ie the roots of the company) You can't just expect the same people to all of a sudden start following rules. Then you got some 1984 shit going on where people are afraid of their own children due to "The rules" doesn't sound much better than yasou version does it. Riven can't uphold those rules without becoming a psychotic serial killer it's as simple as that. She's promoting "order" but what she's really preaching is "obedience or death" She's literally just as bad as yasou.
Stop spinning off into outside examples. We are not talking about a building, a tree, a novel or some other bullshit. We are talking about mass murder and destruction in the *name* of freedom vs stricter rules in the *name* or peace and progress. They are not even comparable. Rules can be edited or fought against. Being dead cannot be. That is the in context truth. Not vague philosophy based on outside examples.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=wPZHK26Q,comment-id=0001000000040000,timestamp=2017-06-21T15:06:02.453+0000) > > One side would like to establish a society of rule and law, with the intent of keeping Peace Love advancement in harmony. It's major flaw being stricter rules if that is a flaw, and lack of respect for freedom. By definition this is lawful neutral, some of Riven to other ideals nearly make it lawful good, but it is countered by of course the disrespect for freedom of the person. > > The other side once to commit mass murder and destruction, establish a lawless society which is impossible, because Society is built on Law and if you have no rules or laws then somebody with the biggest gun is going to make their own. This puts Yasuo as chaotic leaning towards a neutral evil. Mass murder is inexcusable. "Mass murder is inexcusable." ... Crusades carried out by Christendom (inb4, "but that was the Catholics" comments). Genocide of Native Americans in both of the Americas by Europeans. Roman and Japanese separate instances of persecuting Christians. All of these events were carried out to impose a culture's ideas of order or maintain an established order. Now, leaning away from the ideologies clashing, the thing is that an ideal would be to maintain a balance of both sides (though the story of this event disallows it). The story also does a good job of making the small feeing that both of them have a bit of each other in them, with the "get out of my head" comments. One cannot exist without the other, and even when one dominates, there is always the spark of the other, ready to grow when the situation calls for it. Chaos brews in an Order when unfairness starts to seep into the system and Order is established in a Chaos when the person with the bigger firepower flexes their muscles to get what they want.
Is this event the crusades? No. Stop spinning off into philosophy from other events or worlds. In this specific event chaos wants to destroy the world and kill people in the name of 'freedom' lol. Order wants to restrict freedom to an unknown degree through laws and rules. In order to achieve peace, progress and love. While neither is ideal or perfect. Mass murder and destruction is clearly worse.
: Your summary of both sides show that this event is ridiculously onesided and botched from lore perspective. If you care about Lore there is no point in supporting Yasuo's vision unless you wanna fulfill fantasy of commiting suicide by helping Yasuo with his plans. I hope that in future events like this one writers will make a better job because it actually has potential. This one is actually one of the worst game events I have ever participated in from Story perspective.
I disagree. If they made them moral equals Riven would stand even less of a chance. The largest gaming audience is young and young people always lean towards disorder.
: Both sides are evil as they are extremes. True order removes individuality and independent thought in order to prevent any wrong doings. Basically 1984. True chaos is where anything goes. No one to keep anyone in check other than those who kill said person. So pick your poison. I'd choose chaos here because anarchy is fair. Sure someone could stab you just because but so can you.
One side would like to establish a society of rule and law, with the intent of keeping Peace Love advancement in harmony. It's major flaw being stricter rules if that is a flaw, and lack of respect for freedom. By definition this is lawful neutral, some of Riven to other ideals nearly make it lawful good, but it is countered by of course the disrespect for freedom of the person. The other side once to commit mass murder and destruction, establish a lawless society which is impossible, because Society is built on Law and if you have no rules or laws then somebody with the biggest gun is going to make their own. This puts Yasuo as chaotic leaning towards a neutral evil. Mass murder is inexcusable.
: If a trees roots are corrupt is often way easier to simply destroy what their entirely and rebuild from the ground up. Rather than trying to heal the tree. Think of it like this. There's a 10 story build half of which collapsed. Riven wants to try rebuilding the collapsed half while still living inside of the building a feat which is almost impossible. Yasou wants to clear away the rubble and begin anew which will be way easier to do without a half collapsed building getting in the way of construction efforts.
Think of it like this. There is a city falling into decay. Riven wants to rebuild it better but with stricter rules. Yasuo wants to nuke it including all the people and get freedom from the insuing chaos.
: When you just want to farm, but the enemy keeps forcing you to fight
: What kind of a fucking comparison is this? You bring your political viewpoint into human morals? I'm not even up to speed with that as i don't care about politics so this is completely uncalled for. Also, i think you're missing the point. Eternal torment or Death/eternal torment through chaotic anarchy, etc. Fine i'll play that dumb example. Either China enslaves every chinese person, abuses and humiliates them for god knows what kind of a timespan or it gets "nuked" with no authority to rebuild society and thus, creating a No Man's Land with every man for himself. I don't want to list details of both of these in the League Boards. Just think about war crimes commited by Japan in WWII for Yasuo and think about the Hunger Games for Riven applied to the real world. Both are Hell. Riven wants to press everything opposing her authority down and Yasuo wants to remove authority to let there be no rules. It's like 2 magnets that are convinced neither of them have a polar opposite to themselves.
No nuking billions of innocent people is not how you free them from any oppressive government wtf xD. I don't see the majority of people in China commiting suicide which means with the freedom they have they still choose life. Yasuo removes that freedom through mass murder for the sake of a chaotic world that does not function. Riven on the other hand just wants strict rules and lawfulness.
: I personally dislike competitions where there are only two choices though. Probably because I am Swiss and I've seen the disaster that was last year's presidential elections. In a way this entire VS. battle is basically Trump vs. Hilary
I agree. Yet if given a neutral option everyone would choose it. Also I'd argue that a controlling EU government while oppressive is still better than nuking Europe and hoping for the best. Riven imo is Orderly Neutral and Yasuo chaotic evil.
GIaceon (EUNE)
: Riven has quotes like "I will control you", "Freedom is conquered", "Order will conquer all" and her quotes also show that she is not kind to people who do not accept order, and this is exactly what Nighrbinger Yasuo fights against. Just like Riven sees Yasuo as an homicidal maniac who wants to destroy the world, Yasuo sees Riven as an oppressor who wants to enslave the world. Both demonize each other while trying to get people to turn to their vision. Nightbringer Yasuo also has quotes that show that he turns to darkness because it is necessary to thwart the light.
>yeah cuz rules laws and regulations are so much worse then death, fire, destruction, pain and crazy people Orderly neutral vs chaotic evil. The better option is obvious.
: They both match in cruelty. One just hides it's nature through a false painting - "Light". If i break it down to pieces you could also say:Suffering (Order) or Death? Dominance or an End? Slavery or anarchy? It's a two edged blade. I guess that's the idea behind the event too. Neither value life or it's..values. They just seek their throne through blood.
Okay let me break it down really simple like this. Which is worse for Europe and the people in it, the currently overly controlling European Union, or just nuking all of Europe in hopes that it'll turn out better next time? That is the comparable here. The EU may be considered corrupt or evil by a lot of people, some love it however. But almost everyone can agree that mass murder and destruction is blatantly unwanted.
: Its the same reason i dont like Christianity. If any being at all can know every choice ill make and thought i will have, do i really have free will? Are we poeple are incredibly well designed toys? Free will is only possible in the absence of absolute order, there must be no truely unbreakable rules in order for one to rule himself. Chaos is good. Chaos is why u can even have your own ideas, and choices.
No matter how many other universes such as our own that you reference, it doesn't change what the in-verse meaning of these two causes are. Yasuo wants to see people killed and the world burn so he can rebuild it in a way he sees fit a world of chaos that can barely be lived in. Riven while over-controlling wants to see the world progressed peaceful and happy for the largest number of people possible. Riven is orderly neutral Yasuo is blatantly chaotic evil Riven may or may not take away some free will. He also destroys all free will, so he can pave over it with his own ideals, chaos. There is no circumstances that make that correct. Any and all societies expect you to live by certain rules so Riven wanting to enforce rules as normal. Yasuo is comparable to a terrorist however that just wants to burn down the entire Society. And unlike most terrorists he doesn't even see himself bringing about a better order in the end, which is what a healthy rebellions to do. He just wants to struction leading into chaos that's it. He is wrong and it is simple as that. Whether you think Riven is right or not doesn't change that Yasuo is wrong.
: I dont like paraphrasing, let me get that source real quick
Besides, Yasuo is also about control. You don't get to make your own choices when a madman destroys everything and kills everyone so...
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Riot chose the word progress to describe Riven. But that is their interpretation of the situation. There are more than one possible interpretation in this world. And giving up personal freedom will always be regression for me, since this is one of the most important things in the world in my opinion. Willfully becoming a slave is not really an option. I already pointed out in another thread: this is a fantasy game. In this context, there are arguments favoring Yasuos side. In real life, I would feel forced to chose order. But it would not be a choice I am comfortable with. It would just be chosing the lesser evil.
Well it has been nice having a discussion where people don't try to abuse upvotes/downvotes to make their viewpoint look more publicly favored or valid. Despite all disagreements I enjoyed the talk. To me it is not the lesser of two evils, as excessive rules is an Order thing and not a morality thing. For example no rules is not evil either. You can be chaotic good or orderly evil. Riven's morality to me paints her as Orderly neutral. While Yasuo's Chaotic evil. They could have easily made him Chaotic good, but I feel they did a bad job justifying him. While they got Riven perfectly in the middle. Besides, Yasuo is also about control. You don't get to make your own choices when a madman destroys everything and kills everyone so... Sadly, that means neutral for me is still better than evil. Making Riven relatively 'the good girl' in this scenario. But we can agree to disagree. Have a nice night.
: I look at it thru The Magic The Gathering Color Philosophy Order is white, which is almsot always reflected thru goverment. At its worst its totalitarian and unfeeling. Chaos is red, which is usually emotion, its wild and aggressive at worst Id rather have wild emotional world,than a totalitarian machine. Goverement is too restrictive, you speak of progress, but you speak for your self, you know jot what i desiree. You want me to work towards your idea of progress, but i wish to follow my own dreams. I chose freedom. I CHOSE CHAOS.
Yeh no. Yasuo vs Riven is comparable to this, by the words Riot used to describe their sides. Riven is an overly strict governmental official. She maintains peace, love, unity, progress and advancement though her rules are too strict and she does not respect privacy. Maybe she is bad, maybe good, more of a neutral orderly individual and probably should be reasoned with and reigned in, or if she goes too far taken out of power. But that is not Yasuo's goal. But the words Riot has used and their dialogue. He is an anarchist terrorist that wants to get the nuclear codes and end the world in the hope that the one he thinks he will rebuild is better and free with no rules, as if that would ever work. Riven is in the grey, Orderly Neutral. But Yasuo is clearly in the wrong, Chaotic Evil. This is using the information we have one this scenario, not the general concepts and philosophies of another universe
: "Natural order is dis**order** ... Do you know who said 'New growth cannot exist without first the destruction of the old?'... the wise Guru Laghima, an airbender"
Yeh no. Yasuo vs Riven is comparable to this, by the words Riot used to describe their sides. Riven is an overly strict governmental official. She maintains peace, love, unity, progress and advancement though her rules are too strict and she does not respect privacy. Maybe she is bad, maybe good, more of a neutral orderly individual and probably should be reasoned with and reigned in, or if she goes too far taken out of power. But that is not Yasuo's goal. But the words Riot has used and their dialogue. He is an anarchist terrorist that wants to get the nuclear codes and end the world in the hope that the one he thinks he will rebuild is better and free with no rules, as if that would ever work. Riven is in the grey, Orderly Neutral. But Yasuo is clearly in the wrong, Chaotic Evil. This is using the information we have one this scenario, not the general concepts and philosophies of a character from another universe not related to these events.
: god people downvoting an m/g post, i got ur back > [{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=wPZHK26Q,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2017-06-21T05:49:47.321+0000) > > But Janna, but Sona, but Darius. pretty sure Darius would love chaos too but to comeback on the original post, this "choose your side" thing isn't based on moral afterall it's only a video game and there is an anime that i love talking about this "destroy everything and rebuild a world" which is Gintama where you have Takasugi who's like yasuo, and Gintoki who's like riven tho i won't talk about my moral point of view on this on a forum, if you want to continue about it add me on discord
I'd love to talk more about it. But for now I should sleep the 4 hours I have until 14 hours of work awaits me. lol. Have a good night.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: I didn't say nuking the world and hoping it turns out better is the better option. But you said that resetting is regression. I was just pointing out that logically thinking it doesn't have to be the case. Meanwhile you can find arguments why Riven is standing for regression as well. Giving up freedom is no option for most people at all. Arguments can be made for both sides.
Not even. *Progress* meaning not stagnation or regression, the word Riot choose to represent her. Peace. Love. Safety. Stability. In exchange for strict rules that can later be debated or worked out. Mass Destruction. Death. Regression. Chaos. Lawlessness. In the name of building an anarchist world with no rules that could never function and would lead to the strongest guns establishing a new order with rules or just utter destruction. We are arguing the event. This is what the two stand for. And sorry, there is no argument that favors Yasuo as long as his means to an impossible end is mass destruction and murder.
Sciela (NA)
: People equate order and heroism as enforcing a dictatorship, when it's really nowhere near it. People are so weirdly obsessed with "being independent" these days.
Shhh! Anarchy is a totally functional form of society and nuking the entire world because it has some problems is totally a reasonable solution. Screw working out our problems and learning from them, what kind of bullshit is that? We don't want stable, livable societies that work towards progress, technology and knowledge. Those are evil. What is good is killing everyone so we can be free......... /s
: Chaos is a force for pure freedom, to let anyone and everyone be who they want! War and death are things of pure nature. Order serves to limit and restrict! To force the world and nature to bend to its will, to never be free, and to always be controlled. The greatest innovations have come from times of war! Nature dictates that the strong will always survive, and prosper, no matter wat times they are.
Actually loads of great innovations come in a time of peace from market needs and consumer demands. Also none of that matters. Literally they are stated to desire. Order, *Progress*, Peace and Love. vs Destruction, Death and Chaos. The argument for chaos is 'no rulez!'. Oh yes, because you know having no rules is possible or functional for any community, group or society. We are not talking about grand ideals, we are talking about the event. Yasuo is not trying to shake things up, he isn't trying to establish a better order, he is trying to destroy so he can have a world of chaos. Plain and simple.
: there is no way as a jhin main i would choose order sry :/
SatomiKun (EUW)
: I was just providing a logical argument. If the world is in a state of -10, resetting to 0 is indeed progress. And can you please put aside this "everyone who picks chaos is an edgy teenager" attitude? It's quite arrogant.
More haughty than arrogant as I am not playing up my importance rather looking on others with disdain. ;P Humor aside. No, it is far from logical. In no version of our world is nuking the planet then hoping it turns out better this time a better options than using reason to work out the problems we have and resolving them. The people who think otherwise are either willfully ignorant or in denial for the sake of backing up their cool edgy side.
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: Chaos will win. ; ^)
No doubt, edgy teens and wannabe cool old guys outnumber actually cool people. Good always has to fight an uphill battle. ;P
SatomiKun (EUW)
: If the world is corrupted to its core, destroying everything and reboot can be progress as well.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/018/681/Ow_the_edge.jpg?noredirect Meanwhile in reality nobody except edgy teens and psychos think that.
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Salson (EUNE)
: To be fair Rito took a while to implement skill expresion into tanks, the VGUs {{champion:3}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:98}} are very good examples of growing skillcap on tanks. Meanwhile Juggernauts have 3 champs who actually have skill expresion. Also every class has hard and easy champs: {{champion:3}} vs {{champion:33}} {{champion:92}} vs {{champion:11}} {{champion:202}} vs {{champion:222}} {{champion:412}} vs {{champion:16}} {{champion:268}} vs {{champion:90}}
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