: > She's an assassin. She's supposed to be high skill cap. Assasins? High skill cap? Hahahahahaha, the only ones that requires brain is {{champion:64}}, {{champion:76}} and {{champion:60}} .
l MrD l (NA)
: Oh no pyke got caught ....
Such a stupid ass champ. He should have never been created in the first place.
alekzu (EUW)
: I agree that 3 month for coming up with concepts and ideas is a lot(and enough) but the time that was given to the rioter also included play-testing the concepts and ideas, round up those that made trough successfully and then enqueue them for new FXs engineering. Unfortunately it didn't made it past the engineering part. Also the rioter herself explained to us that the time that was given to her was very short and not enough. I understand if you are frustrated that we claim these stuff but we don't base them on pure speculation either because we had these discussions with her on boards, reddit and discord. I don't mind if Riot goes and reworks Ryze 7 times because I see that he is a problem as well and much more popular than Karma so she can wait until she gets work done on her. But when she has to wait not 1, 2 or 3 years...but 6...don't you think that maybe it's time to take on the drawing board and do something already?
^^^^ Exactly this. Meanwhile Lux and Ahri and Ryze get all the time in the world but Meddler only gives Karma a scrap of time and then leaves her in the dust. Ticks me off so damn much.
: That Karma nerf is a joke, right? It has to be. You literally buffed her because she was weak, undid the buff because she was too strong, then FURTHER nerf her lower than when she originally was up for buffs? And a nerf that more heavily affects solo lane Karma? Solo lane Karma, one of my favorite champs, will be completely and utterly unplayable with that nerf. Since when did Riot switch from "we like champion diversity" to "certain champs are ONLY allowed to support?" Karma was completely viable in 3 separate roles without being overpowered in any of them for YEARS before she was given unnecessary buffs which she is now getting punished for. Support Karma was the go to role, mid Karma was a niche pick for certain players that's strong early to prevent enemy carries from snowballing but weak late, and top Karma is a, albeit frustrating to face, hard to kill tank but brings little CC or engage. The absolute worst thing was that a tiny percentage of players played an annoying but not overpowered build for tank top Karma, but she was FINE design and balance wise. Why destroy something that existing in such balanced equilibrium for so long?
I honestly think they don't care anymore. They only want to work on the champions that bring in money, even though their pockets are already overflowing. Completely despicable.
Jenivie (NA)
: Like.... is there a reason you pick 6 to 7 people to respond to on each of these posts and just ignore the rest? Lol...
Riot already has a shitty low rate of responding to people. It's nothing new.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 13
Oh my God. MORE KARMA NERFS? Stop it Riot. Now. Balance is already out of hand I know that but this pisses me off so much. She does NOT NEED MORE NERFS. SHE ALREADY IS IN A SHITTY STATE. STOP IT.
alekzu (EUW)
: How can they when they don't stop reworking Ryze and releasing Lux/Ahri/Ezreal skin every 6 months? When someone wants something he/she always finds a way to achieve/get it. Riot is no exception.
More likely that they just won't give people any time to think up a decent rework for her. Evident in Meddler giving NeuroCat only like three months to think up some changes- they thought up of the lackluster W mana/cooldown change, scrapped it and then Meddler had them give up again. Pure bias on Riot's part, they only want to work on the champions that give them money they don't need.
: Again, Why Are We Buffing/Nerfing Karma if You are Canceling GU and Doing Nothing?
Riot would rather rework their pets like Ryze 100 times in two years than rather touch Karma. I wish I could say more shit about them but the mods won't tolerate it so all I will say that the balance team's decisions are disgusting. But it's nothing new since they've been doing it for the past 3 years now.
Barso55 (NA)
: Lux is too safe and strong a pick
Hahaha NOPE. Lux was just nerfed, and she's nowhere near as strong as you claim her to be. Plus all those changes drastically nerf bat her to the ground. Her snare is a skillshot that is easily blocked by minions so you can't hit the second snare unless the enemy is literally lined up for you. Her E does not do that much damage and her ult cooldown was just nerfed, so let it be. I think you're just QQing because a Lux outplayed you, not because she's too strong.
: Garen losing to Diana 1v1
Hahaha...if she's fed enough and has the advantage while you're eating dirt and not itemizing against her then fuck yea she should be able to 1v1. But if you play right then no she shouldn't be. Smh lol.
jotarowo (EUNE)
: Can we for the love of God nerf Diana already?
Play a squishy, get fucked. For real though, Diana can't one shot like that unless extremely fed, which all burst champs do anyway. And a 2-11 at that, HA! That would be the day if one that behind could one shot- meaning NEVER.
Tik115 (NA)
: {{champion:107}} *Laughs in bush kitty* For real though, You played Eveylnn, A squishy assassin that is still a part of Riots old "Delayed burst" Mindset from a little bit back vs one of the few assassins that didn't get touched, Assassins are meant to delete squishy champs of which an assassin is.
Ahem, Diana is not an assassin, she's a diver. And she can't one shot a squishy unless she's like 12-0 and up a few levels than you.
vipility (EUNE)
: Why is Riot buffing already strong champions?
They are just greedy, that's all. And *insert unkind word here* but I can't say that cause the mods will go after me. -.-
: Evelynn required a nerf so they nerfed Q cdr by 10% now they say she needs a buff and guess what...
Riot's balancing is a joke now so better get used to it. They rather slap on more damage than try to actually fix anything or revert anything, evident in these changes here. Man do I miss season 5 :(
: > [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=h5UiWEEl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-29T13:28:03.077+0000) > > Gotta love the players like that -.- > > Anyway still not nice for you to elo shame him and say he sucks. That's just as reportable as well. well i didnt say he sucks in game. i literally wrote nothing to him. I just said he sucks on the post because that's my opinion on him. He was bad so he had no place to call others bad and shame others or rage quit and sit at base doing nothing
I meant here on the boards. The Mods don't tolerate elo shaming.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QzR3jh3p,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T19:35:50.555+0000) > > Old Galio was fun as hell and a lot of people played him. > > And wow, how rude. Don't elo shame, that's disrespectful. > > And I played him just fine without flash, it wasn't needed. Just like Annie in situations. It’s the reality of the champion when people understood how to zone him and deny a good ult he Was a useless character. People above silver understood how to zone him. If he was fun as hell to play he would have had a real playerbase.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QzR3jh3p,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T20:12:29.409+0000) > > It’s the reality of the champion when people understood how to zone him and deny a good ult he Was a useless character. > > People above silver understood how to zone him. > > If he was fun as hell to play he would have had a real playerbase. Every champ has weaknesses to exploit, Old Galio was no different. Some silver players did too. Don't elo shame. He just wasn't as shiny and overloaded as the current stuff Riot spits out so he had a smaller playerbase, but it still was a real one.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QzR3jh3p,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-30T18:17:30.442+0000) > > This is Aram mode, but in SR you don't need them. > > I rarely used flash on Galio anyway and did just fine, including a quadra kill the day before his stupid rework came out. > > Old Galio was way better than his current state. Old Galio was ass and nobody played him. If you never needed flash to play him correctly then you never played above silver.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QzR3jh3p,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T19:21:32.187+0000) > > Old Galio was ass and nobody played him. > > If you never needed flash to play him correctly then you never played above silver. Old Galio was fun as hell and a lot of people played him. And wow, how rude. Don't elo shame, that's disrespectful. And I played him just fine without flash, it wasn't needed. Just like Annie in situations.
mack9112 (NA)
: Doesn’t this clip show just bad old Galio truly was because he needed both snowball and flash just to pull this off.
This is Aram mode, but in SR you don't need them. I rarely used flash on Galio anyway and did just fine, including a quadra kill the day before his stupid rework came out. Old Galio was way better than his current state.
Meddler (NA)
: They've added meaningful power to him. Mid seems to be performing better than support in solo queue at least which was the direction we were leaning (think he brings more that's unique as a mid laner than a support). Hoping he'll now be in a stable state, not confident yet though that'll be the case.
He needs reverted back to his old form, not buffed.
: Can we get Mana nerfs in the preseason?
Mana is not an issue whatsoever. Don't know what you're smoking but Morg has considerable costs on her spells, not to mention cooldowns.
Rioter Comments
Lugg (NA)
: Galio in dire need of another rework
He needs reverted, honestly. Why do a rework only to leave the champion basically unbalanceable? It's a nightmare, and a sad time for the mains who loved Galio.
: Meanwhile in Top Lane?
Uh....all of those are actual top laners dude LOL.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Riot moved away from hard counters via champion matchups. Losing a game of rock paper scissors when you have to throw first is not very fun. Roles still have their overall pros and cons and individual match ups still make an impact but its not as dramatic as earlier years. My opinion is the game would be better if Riot could make Competitive play for normal players about 5 man premade. No RNG of toxic players and better teamwork is rewarded. Moba's are not made to be exclusively a solo experience.
The game was better when it had counters. Doesn't feel fair when I pick my Diana into an Ahri, who I used to shit on, only to get murdered by one charm combo. Or my Annie, who was my #1 counter into Yasuo. Now I can barely do anything to him. The game needs to go back to that.
Kai Guy (NA)
: I liked Morello. Friendly dude. Hell I even forgive him for the creation of {{champion:122}} R. Balance in seasons 1-2-3 was pretty terrible thou.
I came in season 4, but didn't play ranked til season 5. I miss those days :( Where it didn't take 0.2 seconds to get one shotted, and had actual time to outplay. And COUNTERS actually did what they supposed to do- COUNTERED the enemy champ. Sigh. I hate the current League.
: I seriously wish this player got punished but i doubt they will
Gotta love the players like that -.- Anyway still not nice for you to elo shame him and say he sucks. That's just as reportable as well.
Kai Guy (NA)
: The first years did not in any way shape or form have good balance. If you just like nerfs what you want Is Morello.
I would take straight nerfs like Morello over this stupid shit of adding more damage instead of buffing correctly/reworking, and giving unneeded compensation buffs for the teeny tiny baby nerfs they give (most recent example, Pyke).
: > [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O1rBebFd,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-29T07:47:51.559+0000) > > I think they are more surprised by getting oneshotted as tanks vs fed enemies, than getting oneshotted as squishier targets. Well of course if they fed them to the point of OP having 1 defensive item and the enemies having 3 attack + boots he'll get 1 shotted easily.
That wasn't the case in previous seasons. Before Runes Reforged, it took more than one rotation to kill someone who had one defensive item. Those were the days though. Now the game is SHIT.
Nithke (EUW)
: Sometimes i get away from the game as well, but somehow i always end up coming back to it, because as shitty as it can be there's still things i like and miss about the game.
Usually when I would go away it would be due to a certain life crisis. This is my first time leaving due to the game pissing me off and leaving me unsatisfied to play.
Mindzur (NA)
: Is Riot's balance team ever coming back from their vacation?
Unfortunately I don't think they ever will, sadly. This game has gone to shit.
: it was exactly the same!
Uh the hell it was not. Old system was way different.
: in your haste to remember the old days youve forgotten the old days. the old mastery system was just like runes are now.... and the old old old mastery system was hot garbage. all it was was basic stats with absolutely nothing going on there.
The old system was not like it is now. There were runes and masteries, not only runes. Mastery system had everything under the sun and then some. Don't know what system you remember but season 6 masteries like Thunderlords, Windspeaker's, etc was the best. Not only because of the customization but every mastery wasn't overloaded with damage like it is now.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > If you continue to insult, you will be downvoted and ignored. You already downvote my comment as soon as it's out, so not much loss there. > The thread is downvoted because of Pyke mains and current players who never played the old seasons, not because "I don't know what I'm talking about." Best kind of logic, "People who dont agree with me are X mains", also, played since season 3, this is my 2nd account > Old system, leveling up in the beginning you didn't need the runes much so you worked for a few champions as you leveled up, then went for the base runes you needed (AD, AP, health, defense). You did need runes eventually, it was an IP sink, it doesnt matter WHNE you need to sink that IP, because you HAVE to sink it, or you wont be up to par with your enemies and your team mates, if you waste your early IP on champions, once you hit level 30 you wont have IP for runes, if you stock your IP for runes, you wont have any champions unlocked, not sure what your point is. > XP system changed, not to mention how people have complained about the grind to level is significantly worse, therefore XP system is worse. The XP system didnt change, i dont know how else to prove it, but by asking YOU to show me actual data otherwise, no, saying people "complained" so it's wrose, give me actual evidence that the amount of experience needed to level 30 is increased, any other reasoning is not evidence, it's just your (flase) opinion. > I've played them and against them, and they are nowhere near as frustrating as Pyke. Sona poke? Stay out of her range, jump on her when her heal is down, bam easy. Zyra? Avoid her root, step on plants, bait the E and jump on her, bam easy. Karma? Bait the shield, jump on her, done. Subjective, Subjective, Subjective, I think Zyra is waaaaay more cancer than pyke, Stepping on her plants means she roots you, missing her roots still gives her so much poke in lane for not really doing anything, her damage is insane and her ult crowd control is one of the best for a support. Should she be deleted because i hate her? many other people DESPISE her, espacially when she's strong, so by your logic, an annoying, complained about champ should be deleted, you dont get to be a hypocrite here, if your basis for deleting Pyke is that people complain about him, than delete Zyra aswell.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T21:16:24.726+0000) > > You already downvote my comment as soon as it's out, so not much loss there. > > Best kind of logic, "People who dont agree with me are X mains", also, played since season 3, this is my 2nd account Was just stating the majority of the downvoters, I know there are others. > > You did need runes eventually, it was an IP sink, it doesnt matter WHNE you need to sink that IP, because you HAVE to sink it, or you wont be up to par with your enemies and your team mates, if you waste your early IP on champions, once you hit level 30 you wont have IP for runes, if you stock your IP for runes, you wont have any champions unlocked, not sure what your point is. I know that. Once you got to a point where you needed to be up to par, then get the runes you need, go back to banking for a champ. Easy and simple. > > The XP system didnt change, i dont know how else to prove it, but by asking YOU to show me actual data otherwise, no, saying people "complained" so it's wrose, give me actual evidence that the amount of experience needed to level 30 is increased, any other reasoning is not evidence, it's just your (flase) opinion. I'm trying to find data but people don't keep old seasons info online much anymore. If I do I'll post it. > > Subjective, Subjective, Subjective, I think Zyra is waaaaay more cancer than pyke, Stepping on her plants means she roots you, missing her roots still gives her so much poke in lane for not really doing anything, her damage is insane and her ult crowd control is one of the best for a support. Truth, truth, truth. Stepping on her plants outside of her range means you deny her poke/all in, and you're safe from her root. Trying to do that in her range is suicide and you should know better than that. Her damage is insane because SHE'S NOT A SUPPORT. She's a mid lane mage, with mid lane numbers, that goes bot because she was pushed there. Get MR, bait her root and you're golden. > Should she be deleted because i hate her? many other people DESPISE her, espacially when she's strong, so by your logic, an annoying, complained about champ should be deleted, you dont get to be a hypocrite here, if your basis for deleting Pyke is that people complain about him, than delete Zyra aswell. By MY logic, frustrating champions that should never have been created in the first place need to be deleted (Pyke). Annoying champs that may or may not need a nerf are fine. There's a difference, please learn to differentiate between the two. -.-
Nithke (EUW)
: Poll : Are you satisfied with the game in it's current state ?
Nope. Game has gone to shit. I haven't played for almost a month now. Currently enjoying my Elder Scrolls Online at the moment.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > So? Not to mention if I remember right, you got a daily bonus on your first win, but I don't remember the amount, so that increases your bank. It's not that bad anyway. You dont even remember the amount of IP for first win, yet you say with confidence it was better then than it is now, even when i give you actual data on how long it took to unlock 1! quint (out of 3 you need, for 1 rune page, if you buy the cheapest version). Also, you didnt read my calculation, the 585 IP you get each night of griding was INCLUDING the first win othe day bonus. > Previously I could level a smurf to 30 in a few days. Now it takes me weeks. XP values havent changed, again, you prove me you're wrong and dont actually remember how things used to be. > Grinding takes weeks now too, but it's worse now. Yea I know people have responsibilities, but it doesn't take as long as you say it does. Grinding takes about the same, only you dont need to grind for 2 rune pages first, so you grind staright for your champion you actually need, and not play at a disadvantage for your first 30 levels. It take EXACTLY as how long i said it takes, because unlike your shady memory, i gave you actual data and calculations. > I don't see as much rage when those three are in the spotlight compared to Pyke though. They are more of a nuisance, yes, but not frustrating. It's more due to pro play that they can never be relevant these days. (For example, Karma, gets a shield buff, pro play win rate flies up, she's immediately nerfed to a state worse than before she was buffed). That's the problem here, when those 3 are in the spotlight you dont "see" much rage because you ignore it, because you dont care, the champ you like is strong, you dont spend time here looking for people who complain about it. When Karma is top tier, she's cancer, she takes over support, midlane and toplane with cancer builds where you cant reach her, she shields her entire team and pokes everyone, but of course you dont "recall" them being as bad as pyke, they are only a "nuisance" but not "frustarating", sure, tell that to toplaners who had to fight Karma top until she was nerfed, lets see how much they didnt care for her. Every comment you make further proves me you have no idea what you're talking about, and that's why your thread is downvoted to hell. > Nope. The popular champions are already popular. More skins won't increase their influence, only on the unpopular ones. You say that as if there is a cap on how popular a champion can get (technicelly there is), and as if ANY champion has reached that cap.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T20:26:22.734+0000) > > You dont even remember the amount of IP for first win, yet you say with confidence it was better then than it is now, even when i give you actual data on how long it took to unlock 1! quint (out of 3 you need, for 1 rune page, if you buy the cheapest version). > Also, you didnt read my calculation, the 585 IP you get each night of griding was INCLUDING the first win othe day bonus. I've been playing since 2014, of course I don't remember everything dude. > > XP values havent changed, again, you prove me you're wrong and dont actually remember how things used to be. XP system changed, not to mention how people have complained about the grind to level is significantly worse, therefore XP system is worse. > > Grinding takes about the same, only you dont need to grind for 2 rune pages first, so you grind staright for your champion you actually need, and not play at a disadvantage for your first 30 levels. Old system, leveling up in the beginning you didn't need the runes much so you worked for a few champions as you leveled up, then went for the base runes you needed (AD, AP, health, defense). > It take EXACTLY as how long i said it takes, because unlike your shady memory, i gave you actual data and calculations. Nice one, insulting me. How rude. And no it does not. > > That's the problem here, when those 3 are in the spotlight you dont "see" much rage because you ignore it, because you dont care, the champ you like is strong, you dont spend time here looking for people who complain about it. > When Karma is top tier, she's cancer, she takes over support, midlane and toplane with cancer builds where you cant reach her, she shields her entire team and pokes everyone, but of course you dont "recall" them being as bad as pyke, they are only a "nuisance" but not "frustarating", sure, tell that to toplaners who had to fight Karma top until she was nerfed, lets see how much they didnt care for her. I don't ignore it. I see it and counter argue against it to let the blind people raging see behind clear eyes. I've been on the boards almost everyday for the past few years. A shield buff does not make Karma cancer in three lanes, nice try bud. She was nerfed recently due to the buff making her strong in pro play, not because of her top lane. I've played them and against them, and they are nowhere near as frustrating as Pyke. Sona poke? Stay out of her range, jump on her when her heal is down, bam easy. Zyra? Avoid her root, step on plants, bait the E and jump on her, bam easy. Karma? Bait the shield, jump on her, done. Pyke- hook, flip, stun, self heal, invisibility, 50% health execute. Wanna poke? He heals it back up in a second. Wanna jump on him? He stuns and flies away. Wanna go all in? He ults you before you can kill him and fight is over. Those three are a nuisance, not frustrating. > > Every comment you make further proves me you have no idea what you're talking about, and that's why your thread is downvoted to hell. Wow, how rude. I know what I am talking about just fine. At least I'm respectful. The thread is downvoted because of Pyke mains and current players who never played the old seasons, not because "I don't know what I'm talking about." If you continue to insult, you will be downvoted and ignored.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > Nope. Mains plus new mains that come in from seeing the champ's new skin = more popularity. I dont think you get what im saying, Much more people will see those skins if they were released on popular champions, thus spreading their influence much faster and better than if you released a skin for Annie and you'd see it in 1 out of 50 games. > The rage of losing a champ will die down as the game's balance improves vastly. Riot makes enough money to cover the loss of the skins and refunds. You seem to be delusional to the fact that if you deleted pyke and neeko, people will stop complaining, even if no one cared if Pyke and Neeko were deleted, people would still ask for more champions to be deleted, it's a cycle as old as time, until eventually we'll deleted so many "annoying" champs we'll have Teemo removed. You think Pyke and Neeko are the first champions who have people complain about them? > Nah. Rage over the champs now is only going to increase if Riot doesn't do anything. Rage will increase if Riot started deleting people's main's just because people like you dont like them/cant be arsed to learn how to counter them, i see you like playing Sona Zyra and Karma, you know that when these champions are in the spotlight people want them removed/gutted out of existance right? or is that case different? > If you had to buy IP boosters, you weren't playing the game right. Just me playing four to five games or more every night helped me get enough runes that I needed, then once I was done, just banked IP to buy champions as they came out. The grinding now is way worse than before anyway especially levels 0-30. 4 to 5 games every night, lets to the math: - in old IP system**, you'd get 18IP + 2.3 per minute for victory**, **and 16 IP + 1.4 IP per Minute**, Average game is about 30 minutes, that would mean **87 IP for a 30 minute victory **and about **60 IP per loss**, so in 4-5 games if you win EVERY game, you'd get about 585 IP per night if you won EVERY game + first win. that would mean you'd get 1 low tier Quint a day, just 1, per night. 3 nights for a set of the most basic cheapest quints which only benefit either AD or AP, not including minor runes, IF you can spare about 3 hours every night to grind with no runes or champions and IF you win every game. Only THEN would you start saving up for a champion you actually want to play so you wont be at a disadvantage. Some people have lives, some people have jobs, some people dont like to grind for weeks while being behind and losing lanes just to get started at even footing. > Nope. Nice try though. Just by how you look back at runes, you proved that you wear those rose tinted glasses with pride.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T19:35:20.931+0000) > > I dont think you get what im saying, Much more people will see those skins if they were released on popular champions, thus spreading their influence much faster and better than if you released a skin for Annie and you'd see it in 1 out of 50 games. Nope. The popular champions are already popular. More skins won't increase their influence, only on the unpopular ones. > > You seem to be delusional to the fact that if you deleted pyke and neeko, people will stop complaining, even if no one cared if Pyke and Neeko were deleted, people would still ask for more champions to be deleted, it's a cycle as old as time, until eventually we'll deleted so many "annoying" champs we'll have Teemo removed. > You think Pyke and Neeko are the first champions who have people complain about them? I'm not delusional. I see the rage about them. I'm only talking about them specifically, not about other champions. Maybe Riot will finally see that after they delete these two, that it will better influence their decisions when they create new ones so the cycle won't be repeated. > > Rage will increase if Riot started deleting people's main's just because people like you dont like them/cant be arsed to learn how to counter them, i see you like playing Sona Zyra and Karma, you know that when these champions are in the spotlight people want them removed/gutted out of existance right? or is that case different? It's not just me that don't like them, don't try that argument dude. I know how to counter just about every champ as well but when one champ does way too much to where they can't be outdone by their counters, something is wrong. Neeko is not as frustrating as Pyke though. I hate her because Riot didn't seem to think much on the creativity aspect and stole parts of other champions kits and slapped it on her. She is way overtuned in the numbers department though. I don't see as much rage when those three are in the spotlight compared to Pyke though. They are more of a nuisance, yes, but not frustrating. It's more due to pro play that they can never be relevant these days. (For example, Karma, gets a shield buff, pro play win rate flies up, she's immediately nerfed to a state worse than before she was buffed). > > 4 to 5 games every night, lets to the math: > - in old IP system**, you'd get 18IP + 2.3 per minute for victory**, **and 16 IP + 1.4 IP per Minute**, Average game is about 30 minutes, that would mean **87 IP for a 30 minute victory **and about **60 IP per loss**, so in 4-5 games if you win EVERY game, you'd get about 585 IP per night if you won EVERY game + first win. that would mean you'd get 1 low tier Quint a day, just 1, per night. So? Not to mention if I remember right, you got a daily bonus on your first win, but I don't remember the amount, so that increases your bank. It's not that bad anyway. Previously I could level a smurf to 30 in a few days. Now it takes me weeks. > > 3 nights for a set of the most basic cheapest quints which only benefit either AD or AP, not including minor runes, IF you can spare about 3 hours every night to grind with no runes or champions and IF you win every game. > Only THEN would you start saving up for a champion you actually want to play so you wont be at a disadvantage. > Some people have lives, some people have jobs, some people dont like to grind for weeks while being behind and losing lanes just to get started at even footing. Grinding takes weeks now too, but it's worse now. Yea I know people have responsibilities, but it doesn't take as long as you say it does. > > Just by how you look back at runes, you proved that you wear those rose tinted glasses with pride. Nope. My glasses are perfectly clear, mind you.
Ares2341 (EUNE)
: I think Pyke shoudnt be deleted, only completely reworked, as a Lux main, I agree on not giving them more skins, all of them are nice but they most likely ran out of ideas for her. These runes are okay, the old ones were just crap and stupid, it was more pay to win because you had to buy runes, now the only thing that needs to bought are rune pages but you have enough time to change them in champion select.
The old ones were way more exciting, not to mention had way more options, on top of masteries. Pay to win was nothing because the grind wasn't as horrible as it is now. I rather have the old rune pages. There I had multiple set ups and didn't have to worry about rushing to change one page because I used a different keystone for one champ compared to the keystone I had set up for another.
Eedat (NA)
: Wow a thread with 50 upvotes out of a playerbase of 50 million is an awesome sample. Please enlighten us with more of your business sense
You're stating there's one thread out of the hundreds, even thousands on here already. Nice try though. My business sense is doing just fine.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > Actually all the mains buy the skins, then play the champ with that skin, therefore increasing popularity and designers are then payed accordingly. Okay, and less mains > less people playing on that champ > Less people buy that skin > less people show off said skin. No one mains a champion based on what legendary skin that champion got, and if there are people like that, they are in the extreme minority > Champions that should have never been created in the first place and need to be deleted. Subjective, and many people like them, what about the people who bought skins for them? will you refund them all with their money? so, losing players AND losing money, and if you dont refund the money, you'll create further outrage. Much more outrage than a few rant threads on these champs > There are way more than 10 dude. Probably, there are also probably way more who prefer if a champion wont get deleted just because they are annoyed with it, but then again, you know better right? > Acts surprised when the game actually is better than the shit it's been the past 3 years* That will be YOU You mean back to league of thunderlord? League of courage of the colossus? League of ferevor? League of Warlord's bloodlust? You mean back when i had to buy IP boosters just to stay competetive so i wont be at a disadvantage because i had to choose between buying champs, or buy runes that directly effect how strong my early game is? yea i loved grinding games just to get 1 quint for the IP worth of almost 3 cheap champions. > Haha watch as I and the MAJORITY will be happy as the game we love gets back to the glorious form it used to be. Rose tinted glasses.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T18:00:58.665+0000) > > Okay, and less mains > less people playing on that champ > Less people buy that skin > less people show off said skin. > No one mains a champion based on what legendary skin that champion got, and if there are people like that, they are in the extreme minority Nope. Mains plus new mains that come in from seeing the champ's new skin = more popularity. > > Subjective, and many people like them, what about the people who bought skins for them? will you refund them all with their money? so, losing players AND losing money, and if you dont refund the money, you'll create further outrage. The rage of losing a champ will die down as the game's balance improves vastly. Riot makes enough money to cover the loss of the skins and refunds. > Much more outrage than a few rant threads on these champs Nah. Rage over the champs now is only going to increase if Riot doesn't do anything. > > Probably, there are also probably way more who prefer if a champion wont get deleted just because they are annoyed with it, but then again, you know better right? -.- Nope. > > You mean back to league of thunderlord? League of courage of the colossus? League of ferevor? League of Warlord's bloodlust? > You mean back when i had to buy IP boosters just to stay competetive so i wont be at a disadvantage because i had to choose between buying champs, or buy runes that directly effect how strong my early game is? yea i loved grinding games just to get 1 quint for the IP worth of almost 3 cheap champions. Season 5/6, it's been awhile but back to Thunderlord, Windspeaker's blessing, etc. Those seasons were the best in the past 5 years of the game. If you had to buy IP boosters, you weren't playing the game right. Just me playing four to five games or more every night helped me get enough runes that I needed, then once I was done, just banked IP to buy champions as they came out. The grinding now is way worse than before anyway especially levels 0-30. > > Rose tinted glasses. Nope. Nice try though.
: such grand ideas, such forethought, its fortunate for the rest that you don't have that kind of money.
> [{quoted}](name=SquishySquish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-28T16:46:29.427+0000) > > such grand ideas, such forethought, its **un**fortunate for the rest that you don't have that kind of money. There, fixed it for you.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: - Release skins for unpopular champions - Nobody buys those skins because they are for unpopular champions, skin designers get a cut off their paycheck - "Hey, at least i got a few positive threads on an online forum" - Delete 2 popular champions - Actual majority of people flood the devs with complaints - "Hey at least those 10 people who upvoted the anti pyke threads will be on my side" - Revert Runes and masteries -**Acts suprised when that doesnt really fix anything** - Watch as you alienate the majority of your playerbase based off a forums minority
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-28T16:57:09.219+0000) > > - Release skins for unpopular champions > - Nobody buys those skins because they are for unpopular champions, skin designers get a cut off their paycheck Actually all the mains buy the skins, then play the champ with that skin, therefore increasing popularity and designers are then payed accordingly. > - "Hey, at least i got a few positive threads on an online forum -.- > - Delete 2 popular champions Champions that should have never been created in the first place and need to be deleted. > - Actual majority of people flood the devs with complaints > - "Hey at least those 10 people who upvoted the anti pyke threads will be on my side" There are way more than 10 dude. > - Revert Runes and masteries > -**Acts suprised when that doesnt really fix anything** *Acts surprised when the game actually is better than the shit it's been the past 3 years** That will be YOU > - Watch as you alienate the majority of your playerbase based off a forums minority Haha watch as I and the MAJORITY will be happy as the game we love gets back to the glorious form it used to be.
: I am EXTREMELY pissed with Riot's business decisions recently, and I want to believe it's because of Tencent. But from a **game design** perspective, the game's in a great spot right now. Hate to break it to you, but if you think old Runes/Masteries were better than Runes Reforged, you need to get rid off those nostalgia glasses...
The game is in a horrible spot right now. Old system was way better. Do you know why people complain everyday about the damage, about the snowball shitfest of a meta the game is in right now? BECAUSE OF RUNES REFORGED, as well as Riot just adding damage on top of everything instead of actually fixing the item. Plus there are tons of arguments on here as to how the old system is a million times better than the current shit we have now.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-28T16:13:52.574+0000) > > Since the game has been steadily declining Once again, spoken like someone who doesn't know who Tencent are. You're assuming Tencent only has Riot games. In fact, they have many, **many**, more companies/products with their name on it. Tencent is a tech giant. Just to give you a sense of scale, Tencent is as big as Google. Besides, the stock market doesn't work like you think it does. You can't just "buy" a company. To buy something, they need to be for sale first.
Nice assumptions but no. Don't speak unless you know the truth. I know Tencent has other products dude. I know that stocks have to be for sale as well. Therefore I would buy them if Tencent put them up. Good Lord.
Eedat (NA)
: Your change list is an even worse idea. Cater to a minority of players with nostalgia goggles on then completely gut your main source of income. I'm sure if Riot wants to run themselves into the dirt they'll hit you up
Oh really? Go and look at all the hot threads lately. Just about all of them are 1) Pyke, 2) balance decisions, 3) Galio changes, 4) runes, and on and on. Riot is already running themselves into the dirt. These changes are what is needed to bring them back into the light.
Eedat (NA)
: No it wouldn't. The company world have gone belly up long before you could ever afford it with lottery money. Also, you actually think the Chinese government would let an American waltz in and buy one of their premier tech/holdings companies? # LOL
You never know. If the company goes to shit they could decide to give it up. Anyway this post is more about trying to get Riot to see what needs to be done, not about me wanting to buy Tencent out.
Febos (EUW)
: Spoken like someone that doesn't understand how stock market works. You really think you could ever buy Tencent? smh {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
Anything can happen. Since the game has been steadily declining, if one day it gets so low that the stock drops as well, it would be in a range to buy with lottery money ;)
: I'm sure that if Riot ever needs anyone to kill League they'll remember you.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-28T15:46:16.791+0000) > > I'm sure that if Riot ever needs anyone to kill League they'll remember you. Haha nice one. It would actually be bringing Riot back to the glory days, not killing it, for your information. ;)
KABLUMP (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FAnPMQAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-28T15:46:16.791+0000) > > I'm sure that if Riot ever needs anyone to kill League they'll remember you. they already have ghostcrawler, the man who killed WoW
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: > [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mz1W0nM3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-27T14:43:48.139+0000) > > Meanwhile the other supports besides the tanks are also squishy but you don't see them building an absurd damage item. -.- > > Pyke isn't a real support in my opinion. He is able to put pressure in the lane and has an ult revolving around feeding his teammates and giving them gold, that's the whole goal of support, lol. Also then theres his engage and pick potential to help his team further. Support doesn't mean you go around healing and shielding everyone, even Sona's main advantage is maxing q and pressuring the lane opponents then there's the supports such as Zyra and Brand. Don't get me wrong I think Pyke is a stupid concept but he's definitely a support, when you give a champ a hook ability the champ kind of just naturally gravitates to support due to how much pressure abilities like that give, and pressuring the lane and having early game strength is the whole point of support. His early damage can be frustrating to play around, trust me I know, but it's definitely possible and his lethality falls off as it naturally does on most champs.
> [{quoted}](name=DukeBradley,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mz1W0nM3,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-28T13:53:49.035+0000) > > He is able to put pressure in the lane and has an ult revolving around feeding his teammates and giving them gold, that's the whole goal of support, lol. Also then theres his engage and pick potential to help his team further. Support doesn't mean you go around healing and shielding everyone, even Sona's main advantage is maxing q and pressuring the lane opponents then there's the supports such as Zyra and Brand. > > Don't get me wrong I think Pyke is a stupid concept but he's definitely a support, when you give a champ a hook ability the champ kind of just naturally gravitates to support due to how much pressure abilities like that give, and pressuring the lane and having early game strength is the whole point of support. His early damage can be frustrating to play around, trust me I know, but it's definitely possible and his lethality falls off as it naturally does on most champs. Real supports help set up kills, barely do any damage, and don't take kills from others. Pyke is the exact opposite of that. He has absurd damage, a fucking STUN, which assassins are not mean to have, extreme healing and invisibility, etc. NO support has that. Sona is a poke support, that's fine. Her damage is still way less than Pyke's. Zyra and Brand are mid lane mages first and foremost. People only take them bot like they do Lux, just to do a kill lane, not be a real support. Thresh, Naut, and Blitz do not have as much pressure as Pyke does, and they have more utility. They are fine supports. **Pyke is NOT. **
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