: Champions that i will always regret not banning if they're picked
Mine are: {{champion:238}} {{champion:53}} before, but now they are {{champion:555}} {{champion:518}} and will be adding Sylas to the mix as well.
AD Yuumi (NA)
: PBE is a terrible place for any sort of balance feedback. Population is too small. Games are too uneven. We typically completely ignore PBE winrate data as it almost never lines up with what things look like when they go live. It's great for finding bugs, crashes, and performance issues. Also great for collecting feedback on things like visuals, sounds, and higher level gameplay concepts. I found a ton of use in the feedback gained from PBE when I was working on Rengar for example. You could say that "everything that goes to Beta goes live" but if that were true there would be a lot more crashes and framerate issues after patch day.
I think the OP meant that every damn balance decision goes live, meaning **atrocious buffs or questionable nerfs.**
: > [{quoted}](name=MissMikasa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=II2Qn3jJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-11T20:24:52.208+0000) > > Would be better if Runes Reforged was just reverted. Game was better then than this crap it is now. Was that an “I like it” or an “I don’t like it”? Please explain.
I don't like it. Our offensive and defensive options were way better in the old system. We wouldn't even be needing stat shards and other tree options if Riot hadn't let GC bring in this system in the first place.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 11
#DeleteSylas #RevertRunesReforged #RevertGalioRework
: Do you think we need a sixth path for runes?
Would be better if Runes Reforged was just reverted. Game was better then than this crap it is now.
Aden9 (NA)
: I agree and disagree, I would like to see a change to her W and passive to make her kit more engaging to play with.
I like her W as is. Passive wise something more to do with SV but different than the straight up 20% stat she had before.
: so did Akali get off the permaban train?
She was never a permaban for me. I just picked Kennen and obliterated her if needed.
Aden9 (NA)
: Thanks, those are really sad to hear.
I'm happy to hear it. I love Morg as she is. Just needs numbers tuning and a better passive to go back mid.
Quáx (NA)
: He's not even out yet. Do you have any experience against a Sylas. Your judging and saying this based on other opinions. Come back when he's out and then your points will maybe have some significance.
I have experience with knowing how Riot creates champions for the past 4 years. And knowing that, I know Sylas will be a pain in the fucking ass. So I'm advocating now to get him removed to spare everyone the frustration and even LP for the idiots who take him first time in ranked as well.
Aden9 (NA)
: Do you have a source or link about this?
"The reason she is currently only a VU is that August just started working on her. We are not currently committing to gameplay changes for Morgana unless he finds something that is a clear upgrade to either her passive or W. Until that happens she will remain a VU, but if we do find changes we likes for either of those abilities she will be upgraded to a VMGU." Link: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/1pY2cEhv-reav3-i-think-morganas-update-should-be-vmgu-instead-of-a-vu-only "I've been exploring light changes to Morgana and so far nothing I've tried has stuck. Her kit is already great as it is on live, so we're only going to make small changes if it is clear that they make her better. We're totally fine shipping ZERO gameplay changes to Morg if we can't find anything that meets the high bar her current kit already sets." https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/dyYHts0y-with-17-skins-in-total-are-kayle-and-morgana-the-champs-team-biggest-undertaking?comment=00030000000000000001
Aden9 (NA)
: She is getting a change to her soil
Nope. They tried some but didn't like anything so they scrapped it. Visual means visual. No gameplay, at all.
Aden9 (NA)
: Please make Morgana a viable mid pick with her rework. Plz Riot. Puppy Face. MonkaS
Sorry hon but she's only getting a visual update. No gameplay.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 11
For the love of all things holy- DELETE SYLAS. This abomination needs to go. He should have never been made in the first place.
Meddler (NA)
: What we'll likely do in 9.2: Adaptive (Slot 1 and 2) :: 10 >>> 9 [AP: 10 >>> 9, AD: 6 >>> 5.4] Armor (Slot 2 and 3) :: 5 >>> 6 Magic Resist (Slot 2 and 3) :: 6 >>> 8 Changes look pretty small individually, given it's narrowing the gap between offensive and defensive runes from both sides we're expecting it to be larger than it looks though, especially since in a number of cases it should also result in people swapping from offense to defense. E.g. not just 2 x 6 AD and 1 x 5 Armor vrs the same, but more cases of 1 x 5.4 AD vrs 2 x 6 Armor.
You could just revert Runes Reforged, which is the better option. We wouldn't be needing these stupid tiny rune shards in the first place if you had just stopped GC from bringing in this horrible system. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Just to reiterate, his ult probably took more work from Riot than the design of any other ult ever has. Think of the scale - all of our "how will his ult work with X champion" questions had to be answered miles in advance. From a design standpoint, his ult is a _huge_ step forward in champion design. That being said (reiterating again, for the sake of helping any lack of reader comprehension), the damage scaling will need to be addressed early to stop him from becoming a pick/ban nightmare. Other champs that have kits overloaded with utility (see: {{champion:35}} ) had their base stats and scaling _significantly_ adjusted to make them high skillcap squishies rather than overloaded monstrosities. I'll probably be a part of the "ban Sylas 100% in ranked" crowd until that's addressed. I still think the _design_ of his kit is very interesting, though.
He is a huge step BACK in champion design. He's an overloaded, cancerous piece of shit that is Squad5's half assed attempt at being CertainlyT. And it's not a good one.
: Nobody asked your opinion on a champion that's not released yet and will be finetuned once live. His ultimate is fine as a concept, you're gonna see his stolen ult coming by a mile and just having an ult doesn't help you if you can't use it properly. But hey, keep stoking the fire if you so please.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QlVrzEbq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-11T16:23:27.419+0000) > > Nobody asked your opinion on a champion that's not released yet and will be finetuned once live. His ultimate is fine as a concept, you're gonna see his stolen ult coming by a mile and just having an ult doesn't help you if you can't use it properly. > > But hey, keep stoking the fire if you so please. The boards is to give your opinion so bug off. His ultimate is a bad concept and is point and click so you can't dodge either. Again, he needs deletion for the good of the game.
: Saying "it's lazy and very stupid" with no explanation whatsoever is...lazy and stupid. Also, how can you complain about his kit being "lazy" but also complain about it not being simple? I understand the frustration around the kit + damage as it stands now, but you're doing a piss poor job of describing _why_ the kit is so horribly broken.
Already said why. Giving him a ult stealing mechanic instead of a regular, unique ult is lazy and stupid. His kit is not simple- he's overloaded. Multiple dashes, AOE burst damage, shield, heal, execute, etc. I was keeping my post as simple as I could without having to describe every single thing. Read better next time. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: top 20 hardest champion to master or less or more just give me some ideas :D
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: The "ult stealing is lazy" topic is an easy one to throw out, but it's categorically untrue. The lazy thing to do would be to give him another boring CC + AOE damage ult that several other champions already have. It's a simple idea, but the actual execution probably makes for one of the most complex ults Riot has ever designed. I think it was a pretty bold move and am excited to see it in action. That being said, Sylas is probably a pick/ban champion until they get his damage scaling worked out. As of right now he's got too much CC for the amount of damage he has, so one of those two things _has_ to be addressed before he stops being a downright disgusting champion. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater though.
Nope. It is lazy and very stupid. I now have to permaban this shit over Neeko, Pyke and Zed now because Riot can't make a champ without a simple kit.
Rioter Comments
: Sylus is a bad idea
Agreed. I don't know how they think this champ is okay to bring live.
: Why I Hate Sylas: He is a physical (or digital) embodiment of laziness.
Agreed 100%. I clearly don't see how this champ is okay and how they let him get past any part of the creation process. Shows how far Riot has gone down the rabbit hole. {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: What the fuck are those neeko buffs
Someone fucking reported my previous comment with my other account on here. I was providing discussion and talking about how Riot's awful decisions don't surprise me anymore but each time they spit out something it makes me shake my head in disbelief. The mods took offense and fucking banned me for 2 weeks. Whoever did that- NOT COOL DUDE. I can't even rant on here without gutting punished. You mods need to stop taking offense at every little thing. Maybe if Riot didn't do such things they wouldn't be having people get so angry at them!
: This burst meta is exhausting
Thank Tencent for appealing to the stupid 20 minute Asian cafe market games. That and Runes Reforged just sprang the game into the snowball shitfest it is now. Ugh.
: Remove Duskblade, Buff Assassins
I don't think they need buffs. Assassins were fine before Duskblade. Let them go back to where they were. They don't need compensation for an item that is way too busted and should have never been added in the first place.
Cetri (NA)
: So, 3 champs based around concepts that hadn't existed in the game beforehand and are things that had been requested/speculated upon by the community, and a champ who has an ability that must be described in terms of at least two other champs, thus meaning it also didn't exist in the game beforehand. Yes, rito is such a bad company at creating things.
Uh no. They were already in the game beforehand. And Riot has shown they aren't that good at creating things for the past few seasons.
: I'm not sure you've painted with a large enough brush there. lol Didn't Wukong just steal from LB then. Didn't Zyra just steal from Lux Didn't Syndra just steal from Veigar? Didn't Naut just steal from Blitz?
LB and Wukong's stuff are different from each other. But Neeko is something people were saying LB should have. Don't get where you are getting Zyra taking from Lux anywhere. They are completely different from each other. Same with Syndra/Veig. Naut and Blitz are different. Naut pulls himself to you. Blitz pulls you to him, therefore not the same.
: "I dont like it so its unoriginal and should be deleted"
{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} That's wrong bud. I don't like it because I know this is going to be a nightmare for the game instead of good for it. And I hate that Riot keeps stealing from other champions.
wolf jade (EUNE)
: i do not see how BRINGING SOMETHING NEW IN TO THE GAME is "run out of concepts"
I was saying that they need to focus on something else for now instead of just popping out champ after champ that is just taken from older champs. Work on other stuff while thinking up something else that isn't stealing from another. Then bring it out when it's ready.
Dr Dog (NA)
: why exactly is the new champs e just a riven e with amumus q slapped onto it tho? honestly i have quite a few concepts in my head like theres still a lot that can be done thats unique
Yeah I don't get it. But it shows that they are running out of ideas.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissMikasa,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=eNgeL1Rb,comment-id=001f0001,timestamp=2019-01-09T18:48:07.160+0000) > > Just so you know, Morg is only getting a visual update. No gameplay. Incorrect. She is also getting changes to her passive and W.
Wrong. They tried changes and didn't like it so they are scrapped for now. Visual update means just visual. No gameplay. Go look up their update page- Kayle is VGU, Morg is only VU.
Rioter Comments
: From what I remember it has been mentioned her W is uninteresting and that it may be the only spell they look at. Simmilar to how Ezreal got his update.
Nope. I heard they didn't like anything they tried and therefore scrapped it. Visual update just means visual. No gameplay whatsoever.
: Hi meddler, any updates on when the morg / kayle reworks are coming? This winter or is it looking more like spring time? Thanks
Just so you know, Morg is only getting a visual update. No gameplay.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 9
Meddler- Zyra does not need nerfs. Neeko does not need buffs. It is the other way around, actually. Better yet, **delete Neeko along with Pyke and Sylas**. They are abominations that shouldn't even be in the game. You just ran out of concepts for new champions, stole abilities from others and slapped it on them and called it a day. And we sure as hell- **DO NOT NEED A CHAMPION THAT STEALS ULTIMATES!!!!!!!!!!! ** Listen to your playerbase. Not your wallets for a fucking change.
: Come on riot... really?
I agree. They gave Neeko abilities that were stolen from others (LB, Zyra, Karma). Pyke as well. Now this stupid shit called Sylas. I wish they would fire these people.
: I'm disappointed with Sylas...
I agree but you need to edit your post. The mods will punish you for asking for a firing. I speak from experience.
: So game designers running out of ideas so they give steal abilities
Agreed 100%. I wish I could call for a firing here but the mods won’t tolerate it -.- Time to add another abomination to my ban list. For forever I just banned Zed but then Pyke and Neeko came. Now I have to add Sylas the overloaded cancerous piece of shit to the list too, and I can only use on ban. UGH. Riot pisses me off so much.
mzicio (EUW)
: Calm yo tits down the only one you listed that has actually been broken is Zoe, and arguably Pyke (it's mostly itemization and bad management of his passive tho). We don't even have Sylas' numbers.
Just watch they are going to give him overloaded numbers just like Neeko. Then buff him after. There is no way in hell that we need a fucking champion that can steal ultimates.
: Ok so Sylas, Wtf.
Yeah this champ is another stupid design and needs to be deleted. Just like Pyke and Neeko.
Rioter Comments
Håppy (NA)
: Pyke is.. awfully designed.
It would be best for the game to just delete him, just like Neeko. You can disagree, that's fine but I personally would love to see these two GONE!
Rebonack (NA)
: Radical Idea: Completely overhaul the item/rune system
Meh. I rather we just get the old system back than the shit we have now.
: What do you want out of league in 2019?
Well, I'm not expecting miracles but it's what I hope for: -Runes Reforged reverted back to old runes and masteries -Galio rework reverted -Karma actually given a proper rework with meaningful changes -Less focus on changes for LCS and more concentration on the playerbase (not saying balance for low elo but just stop making EVERY choice for LCS) -Team Builder brought back -Certain designers fired You don't have to agree with everything, these are just my opinions. Don't get your panties in a bunch lol.
: Playing Nidalee
It took me a long time to get to know her as well and now she's one of my favorite champions. Before this snowball shit fest of a game, you could go full AP and get away with it but now, the more popular build with her is to go a bit tanky. {{item:1402}} {{item:3027}} {{item:3025}} or {{item:3110}} {{item:3135}} (if enemy team is tanky) or {{item:3089}} if enemy team is squishy. {{item:3151}} {{item:3116}} and along those lines. Boots are game by game basis depending on what you need. I have the actual build I use in my item sets on my client but I'm on a different computer right now so I just pulled that from what I remember lol. Max R, then Q, E, W. Depending on what side I'm on, I go for the buff that has the bot lane with me to leash. Ever since I started playing jungle years ago, I read the tip that it's best to start on the buff with your bot lane so you have extra help in case of invasion. I do that, then go for wolves and scuttle which will hopefully get me to level 3. If enemy takes scuttle, I heal and try to gank with just a Q since I don't have cougar jump yet, I get it level 3. Then when I'm healed enough, go for gromp, etc. Her combo is pretty simple when you get the hang of it. The tricky part is first hitting the Q, then switching to cougar (R), getting in range, jumping on with W, claw swipe with E, and if they are low enough, your cougar Q will usually take a kill the lower health they are. I always had trouble with the cougar combo after I hit my poke Q lol but now it's easy as pie. Nid is fun and can be snowball easy but with this meta, she can get shit on easy if she gets CC'd so watch out.
: Think about how many other champions are in a similar situation though along with duskblade, crit itemization, tanks being irrelvant, dmg creep, keystones, runes, stat shards, etc. its a lot they have to work on just right now. Not to mention whatever else might pop up. Zed is certainly in need of some sort of mini update in some capacity. Im sure he’ll get looked at in the distant future but until then they have other problem champions to balance(Akali, Irelia), new problems (Galio), tanks they are working on(Sejuani, Ornn), and then of course the new champion and reworks( Kayle and Morgana) and champions who need mini updates or full VGU’s (Mord, Volibear, Rammus, Amumu, Pantheon, Wukong, Diana, Corki, Jax, Udyr). They just have a lot to do and he isnt high priority at the moment. Hes in just an average spot and that means no plans for him unfortunately since others are in more need.
Just fyi- Morg is not getting a rework. Just a VU.
Psyrix (NA)
: Or... just ask for a longer CD on Zhonyas (which is already 120 secs) first rank ult for Zed is 120 secs, and u generally do end up with some cdr, or can itemize for it... you need to realize Zhonyas doesn’t just counter you, but every champ with a major ability (Syndra, Lux, Fizz, Zed, kayn, Vel, can go on and on)... learn to play around it. Zed has enough ranged abilities to make up for it.
Uh no thanks. Zhonya's was already nerfed because of said Zed mains before. The CD used to be 90 seconds, then because they complained it was bumped to 120, which Zed with full CDR can now ult about three times in the timespan the active is down. And he can still kill you after you use it, as well as the armor barely does jack shit against him, so it's not much of a counter anymore.
: I figure Morg's Q root is going to be reduced when her and Kayle get their joint update, since they'll probably make her kit overall less ass so it doesn't have to rely on that root to function.
Sorry but that won't happen. Morg is only getting a visual update, since they tried changes for her W and didn't like anything so they scrapped it. Her W was the only thing they were looking at, besides maybe her passive but her Q was never talked about by Riot. So our favorite Morgana will just get a face lift, even though I like her visually as she is.
: People were unhappy with his old ult having nothing to engage beyond flash. What about tying his current E into the old ult? Also, the healing/protecting ally thing being associated with anti mage(his old w?).....maybe have it be based on the ap of the target you have the spell on?
Uh, no? I never heard of any complaints about that. And if you only played old Galio that way, you didn't play him that well. I loved Galio and barely flashed R. My last game on him before his rework, I got a quadra kill. Playing him to his full potential was not being a flash bot and working around the team to get the best ult off.
CakeMix (EUW)
: The fk you talking about? Mundo is supposed to be a giant slab of HP that goes wherever he wants. Where the fuck did you get Anti-Mage from?
Old Galio was the anti-mage. Now, he's just a stupid tank with no identity really. Edit: just reread that you were talking about Mundo lmao.
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