: Honor is less valuable from premades
People in premades shouldn't be able to honor each other at all if it gives even 1 IP bonus.
PiVoRx (EUNE)
: Advice to Riot: Make new Client be prepared for 12+ bans when we will need it in the future
: Taliyah is Op with Skill
Against idiots who don't know when to trade or engage, sure. She's one of the easiest to take advantage of and shit on.
: I don't know what changes might have happened between your post and mine but mid lane Taliyah is definitely overpowered. She 1v2'd me (Yasuo) and Rengar level 3 with starting items. Broken.
You two misplayed fucking horribly then.
: did you see that this is M&G, this is all sarcasm
: Cass e reduced to 20 without poison
How about you just learn to play her and stop asking for a stupid strong buff?
: People Hate it when agressive carries keep overextending and dying...
I'd rather be cautious and not feeding than a reckless feeding idiot.
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5raiFuNB,comment-id=0013000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T20:21:00.682+0000) > > You realize by pushing the wave, it means subsequent waves will also be pushed up? And any competent laner will simply freeze it once they get back? > > Which means if they are a dangerous matchup for their enemy, said laner can force said enemy to either miss CS or have to be pushed up to get it? Freezing these days against anyone good will earn you the prize of a nice 4-5 man party in the lane from the other team.
: If you just killed their top laner, and your top laner is not yet at his turret, you push, whether he pings you to hell or not. If he is approaching, then don't bother doing anything. If you're against a dangerous matchup, you want to make them as weak as possible, so if they aren't there, push the living hell out of it, back off. and then let him push it back to you. freeze it until you get another gank. It really isn't that hard. People don't take advantage of free stuff when they should because they are too hesitant or don't know what to do.
You realize by pushing the wave, it means subsequent waves will also be pushed up? And any competent laner will simply freeze it once they get back? Which means if they are a dangerous matchup for their enemy, said laner can force said enemy to either miss CS or have to be pushed up to get it?
: Should I shove lane after successful gank?
If your laner is in a good matchup and doing well and is not really in a dangerous situation even in the case of a gank: Shove it if he had to recall because low health or dead or whatever. If it's a dangerous matchup or they're doing bad or enemy ganks are very dangerous to them, don't push, try to help freeze it near their tower or just equalize/reset it back to middle at the least. In general, if they're not there and won't be there in time, LAST-HITTING minions under tower is fine. 2-3 minions or a cannon if you get the kill. 1-2 if you get their Flash. 0 if you get the kill. Number priority is based off highest amount, not stacking. If you kill and get their Flash both, still 2-3 or a cannon for instance. Any more is just both you wasting time, leaching exp, and gold from the laner who will have to remain constantly laning while the jungler can farm up MOSTLY safely between ganks.
: But I do know. Do you ever take the time to actually watch videos and read articles on this stuff? You even said it below. The goal of the jungler is to put the enemy laners behind. AKA, ganking Top, forcing him back, shove the wave so he misses out on creeps/exp. Whether your Top laner is there or not. The only time you don't shove wave out is if your top laner is about to get into lane. Otherwise, letting it sit in the middle of the wave is bad.
Okay, so you didn't say the last part which I agree with. If they are there in lane, then they can either A, do it themselves, or B, not do it if they're against a dangerous matchup that they'd rather not have a pushed in wave against and freeze properly instead.
: To all the League Players
Oh, this is the guy who literally didn't know what the difference between CC and crit was. LMAO
StigtriX (EUW)
: Please Disable Normal Blind Pick and add a Normal Quick Match
: I'm sorry. Is there anything I can do?
No. You don't deserve it. Learn from your mistakes and change unless you want a permanent ban the next time around.
: Don't gank my lane when you're below half health
Or vice versa, if the laner is low on health, don't engage and then spam "?" ping and ask why they didn't go in xddd
: That is how it is supposed to be. People down in this elo don't understand basic thing like that.
lul when people who are completely ignorant talk about others not understanding and talk about ranks while being hard stuck Silver as if they're any better
PiVoRx (EUNE)
: I never understrood this, In D5, most of the time, my laners want me to push the lane asap so they can recall, or take control over wave.
If the laner doesn't need to back after the gank and doesn't want to fuck the wave management up, no, it's not appreciated, and no, it doesn't give them control. It does the complete opposite. If you are against a dangerous matchup, the last fucking thing you want is your wave to be pushed up to their tower which will ALSO happen with subsequent waves and makes it harder to reset back to normal to freeze. Which is what fucking happens when you immediately clear the wave. And even if it's a good matchup and they DO want to shove the wave, the jungler has already done their part. They should not be the one stealing the entire wave. And before you ask, I play jungle frequently as well.
Alleo (NA)
: Then don't complain. If I spend time away from my jungle to gank and I only get an assist YOU do not get to say how much my time was worth.
Um the whole point of the jungle ganks to put the laner ahead of their enemy laner since they will be IN the same lane against the SAID LANER for a lot longer continuously than you will (obviously). An assist gives them less gold. The kill gives them more gold to gain a bigger lead over their enemy which they can utilize better. You are not continuously dueling anyone. You don't need as much gold when the only chance of someone contesting you is the enemy jungler which is infrequent. Otherwise, the jungle farm you do and you getting Dragons/other objectives is enough. All of the earlygame jungler either have CC or high early damage regardless of gold. All the damage carry junglers scale incredibly well in damage in lategame regardless of gold as long as they do decent. The point is to put the enemy laners behind so your laners CAN do carrying. You should learn what you're talking about.
QaznGod (NA)
: Just rage quit first time ever because Yorick
qq resists health dodging the fucking skillshot learning to trade around the fucking ghouls
: Vastaya Taxonomy
Vastaya would be like the phylum (in taxonomic rank). All the others would be the subdivisions underneath.
Alleo (NA)
: Except 2-3 minions is not worth the same amount of gold as a kill or 2.
no fucking shit that's not the point and before you do ask, I play jungle a fuck ton as well
: Xayah build question .
BOTRK Runaan's Phantom Dancer or Infinity (depending on how fed you are, more fed = latter) (The item you didn't get first from above) Lord Dominik's
: > [{quoted}](name=Fasmodey,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=beswntEh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-22T07:42:51.402+0000) > > I really don't think Aurelion Sol is galaxy size. Its stated in his development blog that he can potentially enlarge himself to the size of a Galaxy, and his Fire Lord skin says he can "Bring fiery ruin to galaxies" Sudjests that he can expand to the size of one. Given that hes created all the stars (galaxies being composed of them), it would make sense that he should at the very LEAST be of that size. He merely shrinks himself to interact with the bacteria that inhabit worlds (us)
Mount Targon is tiny compared to him. He's even smaller in his splash than the Dark Stars. If he can expand, they probably can too? Since I'm imagining Dark Stars would be the antithesis?
: and does phreak happen to be in player support? i gotta find his ass and make him apologize to tyler1
For? Tyler1 deserved everything he got and still deserves more.
: Just to clear this up real quick: 1. You were both banned for using the exact same scripting application. 2. MKLoL hasn't been thing for nearly a year, and no support agent ever referenced it. 3. We don't derive cheating suspensions from game chats, that is seriously ridiculous. 4. The enemy team probably accused you of scripting because you were scripting. While it's admittedly kinda adorable that you both ended up in the same banwave, I couldn't even begin to guess at what you hoped to accomplish with this thread. I'd strongly suggest a different video game if you need cheats to play this one. Godspeed.
: Okay... this tank shaco bull shit needs dealt with, period. He's suppose to be an assassin.
Sure, get rid of it. Everyone hates it including Shaco players (the ones that actually play Shaco because they enjoy him, not just riding the bandwagon). But make assassin Shaco actually playable again, thanks.
: @Riot Can you please take a good look at Fizz soon? Also Fizz mini-rework!!!
He was honestly fine before the god awful rework that did nothing but fuck with him and create all sorts of more problems.
: Anyone else unfortunately scammed through the Xayah and Rakan IP gifting?
That's a given though. Others will try and scam you. But don't worry, I definitely won't scam you. You can trust me, not them though. All I'll need is your Social Security Number, credit card number, CCV number, a scan of your license plate, your tax return forms, your license, and your signature to verify I'm gifting the right person.
: ew gross http://i.imgur.com/yOMQylG.png now _this_, this is a nice view
Kiokami (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kZEb33Yp,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-04-25T21:42:00.479+0000) > > Good for you. > What's the point of saying that? > You're not their boss. you know what you guys need to hear this. stop being wussies, it came from a place of me trying to help, and they instantly took it as toxicity.
Ah yes, the magical constructive criticism. Just kidding. Feel free to tell me how "lol you guys can't farm" is trying to help or helpful in any way.
Kiokami (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kZEb33Yp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-25T21:35:18.474+0000) > > Or you could just not say it in a demeaning way. > Pointing out how someone can't farm isn't going to magically make them CS better. its demeaning to say "lol you guys can't farm"? its not like i said "what are you stupid" and i even said 20 seconds later you want to be at 50 farm at 10 minutes. you guys are literally just SO sensitive its ridiculous. how do you guys function in a workplace environment if what i said is considered demeaning? do you just automatically hate your boss when he tells you you're not performing up to his desired standards? should i sniff their throne and respectfully beg them while kissing their ring to try to cs better? let me tell you something. if i'm doing something shittily i want you to let me know. saying wow you guys cant farm lol is NOT demeaning. its literally a STATEMENT OF FACT at that point.
Good for you. What's the point of saying that? You're not their boss.
Kiokami (NA)
: people are so incredibly sensitive now
Or you could just not say it in a demeaning way. Pointing out how someone can't farm isn't going to magically make them CS better.
: I know what i need to do but telling me to do doesnt help me do it. That's what this is about. Finding someone who can tell me how to actually beat an assassin or at the very least keep them from being fed by others.
Against AP assassin: Lost Chapter + Negatron Cloak early Against AD assassin: Armseeker's + Tabi's early. Respect power spikes. Ping on roams and MIAs. Warn people to ward up. Ward up. When they're gone, shove their lane in to tower so they miss CS and take tower damage in return.
: Yeah. I was always told that op.gg is shit for champion info so i stopped using it. Kat zed and akali are the only assassins i dont think are easy enough to be op but even at my silver elo people can dominate on them and it happens fairly often.
champion.gg is the one that's infamous for faulty data, although they're getting better at it (They listened to feedback and suggestions and are now using a new algorithm as well as updating faster) Assassins tend to dominate in low ELO and public/normal games because more inexperienced players don't know how to properly shut them down.
: How so? Most sites I look at to try to find champion info from and from my matches they are stupid strong still especially fizz. EDIT: I know they aren't that good at scaling or team fights but that hardly matters if the match never really makes it to team fights or late game.
https://na.op.gg/champion/statistics Your personal anecdotal data is irrelevant. Fizz is mostly just because his tank build is busted, rather than his AP. And then the only other notable mid assassins are Katarina who's extremely difficult, and Talon, who has a strong early cheese/pressure.
: fiora parry BULLSHIT
Cancel whose AAs? Hers? The champion she parried?
: change my attitude to what? not wanting to climb?
: Or, they're just shit at dodging.
I'm not going to bother. You're either trolling or just incredibly ignorant and incapable of reading comprehension. So I'm dropping out before you give me an aneurysm.
: Do you have to play an assassin to win mid lane?
Um, almost all assassins are shit. And almost every single of the top/best midlaners are mages. There's a good reason for that.
: Um, Renekton is countered just as hard. Yes, he does that damage all game. Except everyone except assassins and ADCs build armor and health. So his effective damage still goes down. That's because you and your team is bad and not handling him right then.
No, Renekton is not a fucking tank. He doesn't do damage nor does he sustain if you'd actually handle him correctly and CC him/use Grievous/Lord Dom's/Void Staff/etc.
: Or, they're just shit at dodging.
Jesus fuck you don't get it. I'm not talking about targeted abilities. If it's a skillshot, you have absolutely no excuse to be hit by it as a hypermobile champion ever in a 1v1. If you get hit, you are bad. It's not up to the enemy to decide whether they can hit you. It's up to you and whether or not you fuck up like an idiot to decide whether or not they get to hit you.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KdPEFnAk,comment-id=00020000000000000002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T21:04:55.543+0000) > > No one gives a fuck about the context. > > Yasuo is a lategame hyperscaler. > Renekton is an earlygame lane bully. Yasuo is countered all game by any form of cc no matter how fed he is. Renekton is not. > Of course Renekton will do more damage early. Renekton doesn't fall off ever. He does that damage all game. > If you think Renekton doesn't fall off, you are simply bad. He doesn't. I have never seen one renekton become suddenly useless late game ever/
Um, Renekton is countered just as hard. Yes, he does that damage all game. Except everyone except assassins and ADCs build armor and health. So his effective damage still goes down. That's because you and your team is bad and not handling him right then.
: hey man sometimes its 3 retards and one guy who doesnt talk much but does decent, but i dont call them retards in game that would be toxic
No one cares if you don't call them that in game. Change your attitude to begin with altogether.
: Or, they're just shit at dodging.
That is literally what I'm saying. If you are playing a hypermobile champion and get hit by a skillshot in a 1v1, you are garbage at dodging. They are not good for landing it. The misplay is up to you fucking up, not them being good.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KdPEFnAk,comment-id=000200000000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T20:57:04.148+0000) > > Jesus fuck you need to learn some reading comprehension. > > His E-Q is a targeted and near unavoidable knockup if he can E near you/onto you. > Same thing with Renekton's dash. Complaining about Renekton's dash-melee stun but not Yasuo's dash-AoE knockup is hypocritical. And you need to learn fuckign context. Yasuo doesn't do shit damage to you early game while renekton's fury stacks bash your skull in and stun you for 1.5 seconds while healing him and doing shit tons of damage to you nor do they give yasuo an extra 225% damage. Yasuo knocks you up and has to run or he dies from his squishiness, Rekenton stuns you and proceeds to fuck you analy. > Renekton is trash lategame. LOLOLOL Sure he is.
No one gives a fuck about the context. Yasuo is a lategame hyperscaler. Renekton is an earlygame lane bully. Of course Renekton will do more damage early. If you think Renekton doesn't fall off, you are simply bad.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KdPEFnAk,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T20:57:44.430+0000) > > "You check them with a skillshot. If you don't have the skill, you don't get rewarded for bullshit kits." > > Landing a skillshot on a hypermobile champion isn't skill on the skillshotter's part. It's the hypermobile champion's player fucking up. I almost 100 never miss a skillshot on any mobile champion ever. If I can do it, so can they.
: how do i get 4 retards to listen to me?
"how do i get 4 retards to listen to me?" By not calling your teammates retards in the first place.
Crowsian (NA)
: level 20 ?? So you'd rather have someone go "3/8" than have someone on your team get 25 kills 1 deaths? l m a o. nice one. I am sure nobody cares what your score is like ,how many objectives you take, or how much damage you did to the nexus because u died once Why would someone who is clearly winning the game (25/0) decide to suicide?? Unless you mean he makes a bad decision to fight when he shouldn't have what the fuck. I tryharded my ass out of plat 5 flying straight into plat2 with a godly winrate then I got banned. anyone who plays ranked knows that when you start losing hard , chances are your teammates are going to call you a troll feeder and ask people to report you in all chat.
People who are 25/0 might int because of an argument with a teammate, or them thinking the game is lost/a throw because their teammates aren't doing that well, etc. And no one fucking cares even if you're a god at the game. Being bad isn't punishable. Inting is.
Paquay (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mataka Tek,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5raiFuNB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-25T18:45:50.707+0000) > > What I don't like is when I have to cover for a lane's turret after YOU DIE or leave lane, and then you ping me to tell me "dont farm I guess it helps if you actually check who I replied to. I was agreeing with Mataka, not commenting directly to the OP.
Both of you made a completely irrelevant remark. OP said absolutely nothing about last hitting minions under tower when they're not there.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KdPEFnAk,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T20:54:00.472+0000) > > I don't think you still are reading. > > You were talking about skillshots. > I am replying to that. > > I'm not fucking talking about Renekton's stun. > > No, he can't. > Stop exaggerating. EIther put it in quotes or i don't know what ur responding to.
"You check them with a skillshot. If you don't have the skill, you don't get rewarded for bullshit kits." Landing a skillshot on a hypermobile champion isn't skill on the skillshotter's part. It's the hypermobile champion's player fucking up.
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