: Urgot should count as a melee champion btw. He sucks and giving him Titanic would at least let him splitpush.
His passive is titanic but better...assuming you can use it correctly ofc.
: Yes, no, yes. I own every champion, have 10 rune pages (20 is ludicrous) and have 37k blue essence. On top of that I own almost every rune in the game besides the special ones, and the ones that give gold/exp.
I wouldn't have bought 20 if I knew I could hoard my IP for shit like this... Also, are you saying you have 37k BE right now or you have 37k IP at present which will be converted when they change it over?
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RHNcmMGI,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-09-17T04:58:30.419+0000) > > Cuz Ezreal sucks and Riot doesn't want you to play him. Pick a real adc (ie one that one shots tanks with IE Static Shiv crits). Cuz that's what a marksmen is designed to do, right? Right??? Ezreal is a real ADC. He is also a real mage, a real assassin, a real jungler, a real tank, a real support and most importantly a real sweet heart. I'm sorry he's so multifaceted and viable no matter what state the meta is currently in. http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png
> [{quoted}](name=Taric the Gay,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RHNcmMGI,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-09-17T05:05:54.768+0000) > > Ezreal is a real ADC. He is also a real mage, a real assassin, a real jungler, a real tank, a real support and most importantly a real sweet heart. I'm sorry he's so multifaceted and viable no matter what state the meta is currently in. > > http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png I'm pretty sure you have sorely misinterpreted the Taric-Ezreal relationship. Let me sum it up for you with this: http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e3/e3f16274cfa5eb76b0de15395b5f60d90832dc7777e079640da7dd52b19277e3.jpg
: this is sooooooooo not making it to live ...right? Riot can't possibly let this in, right?
> [{quoted}](name=BlueVestGuy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7iz4FnmR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-16T22:19:53.527+0000) > > this is sooooooooo not making it to live > ...right? > Riot can't possibly let this in, right? Did you see how little damage he dealt though? A real build won't work like that, not to mention irl, the enemy he's attacking won't be standing still so he will have to move in between autos (reducing his attacks per second significantly). Also, all trist had to do there was take literally half a step forward to be inside the circle. I think this will be good, prevents abusive ranged champs from being overly reliant on simply pew pewing away from over a wall, but can definitely be countered by actually being interactive as a marksmen and getting in the thick of a fight.
: Why does Ezreal cost 4800 IP when he was made in 1995?
Cuz Ezreal sucks and Riot doesn't want you to play him. Pick a real adc (ie one that one shots tanks with IE Static Shiv crits). Cuz that's what a marksmen is designed to do, right? Right???
Yenn (NA)
: I'm in a ranked game where my team has four auto-filled players. This is not okay.
How is that even possible??? Like even if all 5 of you queued for support and an identical secondary role (which is retardedly unlikely, even assuming support has equal popularity to other roles), one of you is REQUIRED to get their secondary. This actually sounds like a deliberate attempt to satisfy some kind of hidden autofill quota...
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XMhEtxzG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-09-15T19:22:50.392+0000) > > how many BE for that though? At this point I need all I can get for urfwick... I don't know
> [{quoted}](name=Fairyfleur,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XMhEtxzG,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-15T19:24:03.275+0000) > > I don't know and ofc there is no official report from Riot on this...classic...
: You can save it for the next champion that comes out, or disenchant it. I think
> [{quoted}](name=Fairyfleur,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XMhEtxzG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-15T18:51:25.333+0000) > > You can save it for the next champion that comes out, or disenchant it. I think how many BE for that though? At this point I need all I can get for urfwick...
Rioter Comments
Lyseth (NA)
: Can't be the only one wanting old turrets back.
: molten zac... omg riote plz make this!
But since it was proposed by a community member and not a rioter, they are sworn to ignore it forever...too bad, this was a good idea.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xPfbWvxF,comment-id=0019000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-14T04:24:19.666+0000) > > Shen isn't used enough. You should know riot's model by now...Only OPAF champs and one's that get a lot of attention in pro play get skins. Cuz fanservice is concept a thing that Riot clearly doesn't understand... That was what you said. Now you're adding in other qualifiers to try and fix it. Singed got a funny skin after his changes, but he also got the black plague one along side Noc and Kayle when none of them were OP, popular, or pro play. Yorick has been long overdue. Most ADCs are considered OP..which are the ones who can use crit..which is not Ezreal.
Theme skins and individual skins are entirely different concepts so I didn't include theme skins in my original statement because when this teaser first came out, it seemed like it was going to be a solo skin release and not a whole group of skin (ie star guardian) or a continuation of a previous theme (ie pulsefire cait). You rarely see individual skins (ie legendaries and epics) released for champs that aren't at least enjoying a moderate to high playrate. There are exceptions to the rule, but this does not mean the rule doesn't exist.
: Then why are we getting a new Yorick skin? Or Singed? Ezreal and MF aren't OP or in pro play much right now, so why'd they get skins? Yi is neither OP or in pro-play but he's getting one. What about Battle Boss Brand or Pentakill Kayle? Besides those examples, your whole comment there fails because..Shen gets picked a decent amount in pro play because his ult is much stronger in that environment and is why he had gotten so many changes, in an attempt to lessen his pro play strength and increase his solo queue ability...which didn't work. That comment almost seems like grasping at straws.
Singed recently had a surge of picks with his changes. Yorick got a rework semi-recently and has a massive fanbase of ppl getting pissy about not having a new skin. Ezreal and mf are played a lot on the non-competitive scene (also, all adcs are opaf right now soooo). Theme skins are the only ones that aren't dictated by Riot maximizing profits (and by theme I mean star guardian theme, pentakill theme, etc). These are dictated by which champs actually fit the theme the best, and has NO BEARING on who "deserves" the skin more.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xPfbWvxF,comment-id=00190000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-13T20:01:37.902+0000) > > Exactly... > > Also Yi's sword floats when he meditates. Also, I agree, I thought this was a shen skin at first, but idk why you guys are losing your shit over this... I meant Janna's sword that she just does not use. Shen's always floats though, that's the thing. And I don't know, because he hasn't seen a skin since 2012 and the teaser was very convincing that it'd be Shen that got a skin.
Shen isn't used enough. You should know riot's model by now...Only OPAF champs and one's that get a lot of attention in pro play get skins. Cuz fanservice is concept a thing that Riot clearly doesn't understand...
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xPfbWvxF,comment-id=001900000000,timestamp=2017-09-13T18:13:40.815+0000) > > How is a sword obvious? I'll just go ahead and list a few champs off the top of my head that use swords: > > shen, yi, fiora, aatrox, yasuo, riven, garen, kayle, leona. > > And while I can definitely agree that this sword would be foolish to associate with riven, leona, tryn, and aatrox, that still leaves 6 possibles. Only one champ uses a sniper rifle, this is not a valid comparison. > > Also, just to invalidate the arguments of you people that jumped on the shen bandwagon with this teaser, shen is (obviously) a ninja. Ninjas are an element of Japanese culture. The sword in the teaser is a more traditional Chinese style than a Japanese one (to my knowledge, the Japanese rarely, if ever, used double-edged swords). Therefore, you guys shouldn't have been so surprised when it was announced that it was not shen. It would have been better to guess Yi, due to the obvious Chinese influence of the character (his name means "one" in Chinese and he fights with a Chinese-style sword). Except none of those other sword wielders have a sword floating upside down in midair. Shen is a ninja, yes, but skins are used to capture different themes and cultures, so it could have still been Shen. We didn't say the sword was exactly Shen's and he uses different styles in his skins (Base looks double-edged, Warlod is katana, Blood Moon uses a..i can't remember what it's called but it's more of a club, Surgeon Shen uses a Scalpel). But like Melle pointed out, almost everything in that teaser pointed to Shen: the position, floating, the energy-esque ripples under it, the ribbony tether, and nothing in it refers to Janna, the one who is actually "wielding" that sword, even though she doesn't use it and only unsheathes it for her recall and her ult (and only partially for her ult). Yi and Fiora having sword themed skins? Great (even though Yi got Cosmic Blade not too long ago). But Janna when she barely even unsheahes her blade? Doesn't fit quite right, even though it does look decent overall. You could place that sword with anything and it'd still work.
>You could place that sword with anything and it'd still work. Exactly... Also Yi's sword floats when he meditates. Also, I agree, I thought this was a shen skin at first, but idk why you guys are losing your shit over this...
: Use the full quote next time. > Many of these are vague and people can only guess what champion they could be for. Some, people have no idea (Mecha Zero Sion in the 4th image) while some are more obvious (Pulsefire Caitlyn). It'd be more like seeing Pulsefire Caitlyn's teaser, but it turns out it's for some other champ that doesn't use a sniper rifle, like Sivir.
How is a sword obvious? I'll just go ahead and list a few champs off the top of my head that use swords: shen, yi, fiora, aatrox, yasuo, riven, garen, kayle, leona. And while I can definitely agree that this sword would be foolish to associate with riven, leona, tryn, and aatrox, that still leaves 6 possibles. Only one champ uses a sniper rifle, this is not a valid comparison. Also, just to invalidate the arguments of you people that jumped on the shen bandwagon with this teaser, shen is (obviously) a ninja. Ninjas are an element of Japanese culture. The sword in the teaser is a more traditional Chinese style than a Japanese one (to my knowledge, the Japanese rarely, if ever, used double-edged swords). Therefore, you guys shouldn't have been so surprised when it was announced that it was not shen. It would have been better to guess Yi, due to the obvious Chinese influence of the character (his name means "one" in Chinese and he fights with a Chinese-style sword).
: Let's talk about the Immortal Journey skin line teaser and why this shouldn't happen again.
I mean here you are proclaiming that the sword is obviously shen's and blah blah blah but then you originally said this: >Many of these (teasers) are vague and people can only guess what champion they could be for. Some, people have no idea Really don't understand the moral outrage at how some of you people have been "deceived" because you misinterpreted the fkin teaser...
agEdri (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-12T04:53:24.192+0000) > > Considering that I'm a med student taking $50k plus in loans every year, no I sincerely cannot. However, buying something nice for myself every once in a while is fine, and if it contributes to a good cause even better. This is why having Riot do smthn like this is much better. Also, it shows some amount of solidarity as opposed to just making individual donations. > > Pretty sure Riot is worth more than you think. > > Riot just has a track record of utter greed and it sickens me. This game exists because WE (the players, NOT Riot) made it so. WE propagated this game up from nothing, got our friends involved, and pulled what would have just been a cheap anime-style DotA knockoff to the top spot on most-played videogame list. And all the while, Riot has found new and exciting ways to exact extra money from us. Whether is shit skins (ie chromas) or increasing prices on previously-released skins, and actually balancing the game around the most "action-based" meta possible in order to attract greater crowds for worlds, Riot has done some less-than-savory shit, and it sickens me. That logic is seriously flawed.
> [{quoted}](name=agEdri,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-13T16:45:45.918+0000) > > That logic is seriously flawed. Do enlighten me as to how these THREE SEPARATE POSTS (that you managed to lump them together into one is borderline libel) contain flawed logic? The first post is fact. The second post (based on the opinions of the guy I was actually talking to) is fact. And the third post is a fact that people have been complaining about incessantly for literally year. How much of a riot fanboy are you???
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-12T04:53:24.192+0000) > > Considering that I'm a med student taking $50k plus in loans every year, no I sincerely cannot. However, buying something nice for myself every once in a while is fine, and if it contributes to a good cause even better. This is why having Riot do smthn like this is much better. Also, it shows some amount of solidarity as opposed to just making individual donations. I respect having student loans, it's a huge burden and hard to deal with. That said, I think that even just $5 or $10 is not hard to donate even for someone with loans. That's the equivalent of a single meal. I'm not trying to push you to do that, just saying that it is not difficult. If you think that you cannot afford to do something like that, then you probably shouldn't be spending that money on RP either, just saying. > Pretty sure Riot is worth more than you think. Perhaps. But my point stands, arguing that somebody's contribution is 'peanuts' is counterproductive and unhelpful. > Riot just has a track record of utter greed and it sickens me. This game exists because WE (the players, NOT Riot) made it so. WE propagated this game up from nothing, got our friends involved, and pulled what would have just been a cheap anime-style DotA knockoff to the top spot on most-played videogame list. And all the while, Riot has found new and exciting ways to exact extra money from us. Whether is shit skins (ie chromas) or increasing prices on previously-released skins, and actually balancing the game around the most "action-based" meta possible in order to attract greater crowds for worlds, Riot has done some less-than-savory shit, and it sickens me. I've disagreed with plenty of Riot's decisions in the past. The thing is, they are a collection of people. Everyone has their own ideas, and there is as much controversy and discussion of changes within the company as there is within the community. Treating Riot like a single entity and lumping them all under the banner of 'greedy corporate bastards' is equally as inaccurate as lumping all white people with the KKK or all black people with criminals.
>If you think that you cannot afford to do something like that, then you probably shouldn't be spending that money on RP either, just saying. That's the thing though. If I get something out of it, I will be more likely to donate. While I agree that this may not be the most humanitarian mindset, it certainly works for getting people to donate.
: Would be amazing if there was a community based skin every year
Wait. Are you insinuating that Riot should both listen to your request for a cool event AND ALSO adapt player-created content to add to the game? Wow, and I thought I dream big...
Thilmer (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mzxlx7W5,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2017-09-12T00:31:18.894+0000) > > Here's the problem: smurf accounts. Half of the people that regularly do this are (or at least claim to be) on some form of alternate account. There is no way to know if they actually care about their rank as you assume, and this is the reason they are able to be so effective in their hostage-taking. This is why I fully support an instant and permanent ban of any account that admits to being a smurf in order to perform any kind of strong-arm technique either in-game or in champ select, but of course, Riot would rather ban people for getting pissed of at trolls than the trolls themselves, so ya... Smurfs should have been regulated already. Most trolls don't care about a permaban because they have another 10 accounts.
And tbh even when they behave the still tend to ruin games. It's really not fun when you are trying to climb through gold or silver and run into a diamond+ smurf that goes 10/0 in the first 5 minutes and proceeds to solo carry a game utterly unopposed.
Sdars (EUW)
: I just dodge if no1 else does and report to riot support.
While I also do this, it's purely for the catharsis of reporting a toxic player. Riot doesn't even read these reports. I get a bot-generated response every time I do this.
: Question regarding Invasion game mode
Cuz I have the Urf Spatula icon, which is superior to all other icons.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=00010006000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T21:49:57.294+0000) > > Riot has very clearly stated this basic fact: RUNE PAGES CAN NOW BE ALTERED IN CHAMP SELECT. This renders obsolete more than a few extra rune pages (and even having a few extras is debatable in terms of value). I do not want my rune pages to carry over, as I do not need 20 of them now that I can change them on the fly. I want my RP back, as the item I purchased is no longer functional. QED. Yeah, and it's easier to have good setups saved by having extra pages. They aren't fully obsolete, just mostly. Frankly, I'm more pissed at the shitty refund they're offering for runes. And I keep seeing players going "we're fine with Riot screwing us over!"
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=000100060000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-12T05:16:15.005+0000) > > Yeah, and it's easier to have good setups saved by having extra pages. > > They aren't fully obsolete, just mostly. > > Frankly, I'm more pissed at the shitty refund they're offering for runes. And I keep seeing players going "we're fine with Riot screwing us over!" TBH, I'm not really that pissed at either. I'll still end up getting a free skin (even if it is a random one). Kinda salty about the refund % (my hybrid pen rues are worth ~8 times the refund value), but w/e. What really pisses me off is the absurd prices for the BE shop (especially that Urfwick skin). Either fix the refunds or lower those prices. Even after nearly 6 years of playing this game and owning all champs with full runes set for the past 2-3 seasons, I'm not even close to 150k.
Chermorg (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6oROZraX,comment-id=000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-12T00:46:25.564+0000) > > Yes there is, and that need is to determine context. If, for example, I told you to "fuck off" in game, I would be at odds with the BanBot. However, what the ban bot/Riot refuse to acknowledge is the scenario in which I said that. What if you had told me to kill myself, or that you hoped my family died of cancer, which precipitated the "fuck off". I do not care for a "well you are ruining the game, too" speech here. If someone tells you to kill yourself, a "fuck off" is more than warranted. And before you tell me that Riot doesn't do this, I have been banned for a very similar (albeit more complex) situation. It fucking sucks. That is all fine and dandy, but the difference between real life and League is that you have a button that will literally cease the abuse hurled at you in League. Context doesn't matter, because it's legitimately a video game. No harm is coming to you from losing a game if that's what's happening, and you can mute the verbal abuse if that's what's happening. > Yes, and this is wrong. Even still though, I should be seeing more. I think this season I've only seen the message 2 or 3 times. You'll have to trust me on this one, but I've encountered orders of magnitude more bannable behavior than that would suggest. Actually, let's just look at the math. Let's say that a really toxic player gets 9 reports. That means I have effectively a 1/9 chance of getting the message. This is a worst case scenario. I most definitely have not received a message for 1/9 of my reports. And even considering the fact that it takes 3 offenses to cause a punishment (trust me, I know from experience here), my yield is very low. Something is either wrong with the notifications or they are just not reading the reports. The notifications are known to be bugged. To be quite honest with you, I don't know how many times Rioters have posted saying "we know it'll be fixed soon (TM)" and it hasn't been. > If you can provide a Rioter article about this I'd be happy to read it, but my experience with the system is that they don't consider pre/post game chat. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/hc8ewEEk-can-riot-read-post-game-chat That thread provides a couple (old, but still true as the storage systems haven't changed since then) sources. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FIK4jUAs-is-pre-game-and-after-game-chat-recorded-if-not-why?comment=0001 This one from DTN, an arbiter who is considered to be somewhat authoritative (knows what they're talking about) but not quite as much so as Riot themselves. If that's not good enough, I can try and find a more recent post (those were from google, I can probably find a Red post more recently if I dig through the boards).
>That is all fine and dandy, but the difference between real life and League is that you have a button that will literally cease the abuse hurled at you in League. Look up "catharsis". There have been waaay too many times where the only reason I don't tilt off the table is because I resort to yelling back at some of these clowns. >The notifications are known to be bugged. To be quite honest with you, I don't know how many times Rioters have posted saying "we know it'll be fixed soon (TM)" and it hasn't been. In that case, Riot has managed to make me even sicker with their utter disregard for their community that I was previously. Such a rich company that literally only has 1 job (ie League of Legends) really has 0 excuse for the game not being damn near perfect. With respect to whether or not Riot reads pre/post-game chat, it seems like Riot needs to manually check these logs (as opposed to having it automatically filtered through the ban bot upon receipt of the report). This means that they seldom (if ever) are checked, as Riot no longer cares to read reports/support tickets regarding such issues.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T23:35:23.833+0000) > > and they can certainly help more with the sale proposed by OP. Sure, and it's a great idea and it definitely could help. I think it holds merit, but I think that we as players should also be willing to simply contribute directly to the cause. We can all do our part, Riot included... but expecting Riot to take this cost on instead of us is kind of lame if you ask me. They shouldn't have to give handouts to us in order for us to contribute to something that already deserves our funds. > I'd like to see a source then. Frankly, I do not believe that Riot is capable of such actions, given their history. By all means, feel free to inquire after vfactor for some sources. Or do some of your own research. You are the one claiming that they are all greedy bastards who won't give a dime. So it's on you to prove your point. Counterpoints though: * Xayah and Rakan went on sale for IP. Causing Riot to miss out on tons of RP sales that they would have inevitably gotten. * Riot has participated in Make-a-wish. There was that kid who wanted to design a champion and work at Riot for a day. * and they have also contributed funds to multiple philanthropy groups including groups for education, disabilities, and disaster relief efforts. > Even still, with how bad these 2 (and eventually 3) hurricanes, whatever Riot is donating is utterly peanuts compared to what is needed, -snip- Riot could donate so much that they go bankrupt and shut down and they still wouldn't have contributed peanuts compared to what is needed. Anything anybody alone contributes is peanuts compared to what is needed. It's the collective effort of everyone who donates that leads towards the relief effort that is needed. So drop the shit about peanuts and stop shaming Riot for not doing something that you would be equally guilty of not doing. Do you know what other argument your above logic supports? That nobody should contribute at all because, "What's the point? It's all peanuts anyway." Be careful how you argue your points, if you invite fallacies into the argument your opponents surely will make swift and vicious use of them. > But they won't, because at the end of the day, profits > people. The same could be said about pretty much everybody, people and companies alike. You act like Riot is the only group of people who won't contribute as much as they possibly can. If you're going to act superior and say that Riot is greedy trash for not helping more then you had better be willing to say that about every business, organization and person (yourself included) who doesn't give everything they have to the relief effort. Get over it. Nobody is going to be able to contribute 'enough' by your own logic. It seems to me more like you've just got a bone to pick with Riot and the hurricane relief efforts are just an easy means with which to pick that bone. Shame on you for trying to shit on people for not helping instead of encouraging people who are contributing, or even trying to raise funds to help the effort.
>We can all do our part Considering that I'm a med student taking $50k plus in loans every year, no I sincerely cannot. However, buying something nice for myself every once in a while is fine, and if it contributes to a good cause even better. This is why having Riot do smthn like this is much better. Also, it shows some amount of solidarity as opposed to just making individual donations. >Riot could donate so much that they go bankrupt and shut down and they still wouldn't have contributed peanuts compared to what is needed. Pretty sure Riot is worth more than you think. >The same could be said about pretty much everybody, people and companies alike. You act like Riot is the only group of people who won't contribute as much as they possibly can. Riot just has a track record of utter greed and it sickens me. This game exists because WE (the players, NOT Riot) made it so. WE propagated this game up from nothing, got our friends involved, and pulled what would have just been a cheap anime-style DotA knockoff to the top spot on most-played videogame list. And all the while, Riot has found new and exciting ways to exact extra money from us. Whether is shit skins (ie chromas) or increasing prices on previously-released skins, and actually balancing the game around the most "action-based" meta possible in order to attract greater crowds for worlds, Riot has done some less-than-savory shit, and it sickens me.
Rioter Comments
Chermorg (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6oROZraX,comment-id=0000000300000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T23:31:28.974+0000) > > This is why the Tribunal should be brought back in full force complete with rewards for players who are committed to the actual service of justice (ie have a high percentage of correct votes). It was removed because it was running with a huge backlog. Even adding rewards, it'd still probably have that backlog. Especially since before, it was take 1-3 minutes to review this chat log. With trolling/gameplay offenses, it's easily 20-40 minutes per case, and that's if you don't have to go back and look at something again. That's assuming people would vote based on the full game, and not just based on assumptions. > No system of punishment should be automated. There's a reason why an actual criminal trial can extend for months. This is the only way to ensure that all the evidence is given correct context and that the verdict is fair based on EVERYTHING surrounding the case. But Riot fundamentally believes the opposite, for some unknowable reason... There's a difference between a criminal trial and League of Legends. There is not evidence to be found in a league case for toxic chat, and the evidence in a case for gameplay trolling/offenses is all already present and readily accessible. There is absolutely no need for a prolonged trial/discovery/argument period, as there is no defense needed or allowed. There is no need to look at "everything" because everyone is judged on their own action. The difference is in real life, someone likely caused great harm to another individual, and they are threatened with having their life ruined (long jail times/large fines) for doing so. In League, it's a fucking videogame, nobody got harmed, and nobody's life will be ruined by getting a punishment. There is absolutely no reason punishment cannot be black/white in 99.99% of cases in League, and in black and white cases, an automated system works great. > If Riot/banbot could see post-game chat, I'd be seeing a lot more confirmations about my reports resulting in punishments... That's one of the things - the banbot doesn't send confirmations based on things unless you were the absolute last reporter to have reported that person. Further, I believe I read somewhere that it doesn't send confirmations on bans issued for pre/post game toxicity because it reviews those, but separately than it does in game chat. Regardless, your confirmations are not a valid indicator of its ability to see pre/post game chat.
>It was removed because it was running with a huge backlog. As I said in my post, real justice takes time, and this is why actual criminal trials often span months. If Riot incentivizes player involvement in the tribunal, it will help expedite the process to an acceptable level. I understand handing out chat bans via a ban bot, but I have proof of riot handing out actual account suspensions via an automated system (personal experience). This is not ok. >With trolling/gameplay offenses, it's easily 20-40 minutes per case Even more reason to bring back the Tribunal. Can't realistically expect Riot to actually care enough to review every troll report (even if they did care they wouldn't have the manpower). I know for a fact that other online games have a system where players can view in-game footage of players accused of trolling/cheating and levy punishments against them on behalf of the community. Why Riot is so behind the times with this shit is beyond me. >There is absolutely no need for a prolonged trial/discovery/argument period Yes there is, and that need is to determine context. If, for example, I told you to "fuck off" in game, I would be at odds with the BanBot. However, what the ban bot/Riot refuse to acknowledge is the scenario in which I said that. What if you had told me to kill myself, or that you hoped my family died of cancer, which precipitated the "fuck off". I do not care for a "well you are ruining the game, too" speech here. If someone tells you to kill yourself, a "fuck off" is more than warranted. And before you tell me that Riot doesn't do this, I have been banned for a very similar (albeit more complex) situation. It fucking sucks. >That's one of the things - the banbot doesn't send confirmations based on things unless you were the absolute last reporter to have reported that person Yes, and this is wrong. Even still though, I should be seeing more. I think this season I've only seen the message 2 or 3 times. You'll have to trust me on this one, but I've encountered orders of magnitude more bannable behavior than that would suggest. Actually, let's just look at the math. Let's say that a really toxic player gets 9 reports. That means I have effectively a 1/9 chance of getting the message. This is a worst case scenario. I most definitely have not received a message for 1/9 of my reports. And even considering the fact that it takes 3 offenses to cause a punishment (trust me, I know from experience here), my yield is very low. Something is either wrong with the notifications or they are just not reading the reports. If you can provide a Rioter article about this I'd be happy to read it, but my experience with the system is that they don't consider pre/post game chat.
: PSA: You shouldn't negotiate with champion select terrorists. Here is why:
Here's the problem: smurf accounts. Half of the people that regularly do this are (or at least claim to be) on some form of alternate account. There is no way to know if they actually care about their rank as you assume, and this is the reason they are able to be so effective in their hostage-taking. This is why I fully support an instant and permanent ban of any account that admits to being a smurf in order to perform any kind of strong-arm technique either in-game or in champ select, but of course, Riot would rather ban people for getting pissed of at trolls than the trolls themselves, so ya...
: Can people stop with the mentality that runes was some luxury that we "wasted our IP" on?
ILLITERACY ALERT! ILLITERACY ALERT! Rune pages may not be going away, BUT THEY ARE NOW OBSOLETE! WHAT ARE YOU NOT GETTING ABOUT THIS??? You will be able to change your rune pages on the fly with this update (just like you can currently with mastery pages), meaning that instead of having access to 20 unique rune pages, I would be quite happy with, say, 5 generic ones that I can change to suit my specific needs for each specific game/match-up. What do you people not understand about this? This is a sincere question, I am baffled by how many times I have to explain this logic...
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T21:41:13.478+0000) > > I assume nothing. Riot has literally never done anything remotely charitable EVER. They can't even treat the fans that literally carried them by their bootstraps to where they are today with a single modicum of respect. > > And as for vfactor's comment, they could always hold a fundraiser to do more if they wanted. But the don't soooooo... "never done anything remotely charitable EVER" Then you did not read vfactor's comments completely. They pointed out that Riot sets aside money every year explicitly for charity and relief efforts. My employer does the same. It's a pretty standard practice for conscientious businesses.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T22:41:01.346+0000) > > "never done anything remotely charitable EVER" > > Then you did not read vfactor's comments completely. They pointed out that Riot sets aside money every year explicitly for charity and relief efforts. My employer does the same. It's a pretty standard practice for conscientious businesses. I'd like to see a source then. Frankly, I do not believe that Riot is capable of such actions, given their history. Even still, with how bad these 2 (and eventually 3) hurricanes, whatever Riot is donating is utterly peanuts compared to what is needed, and they can certainly help more with the sale proposed by OP. But they won't, because at the end of the day, profits > people.
: Cursing is fine. Anything that comes out as %%%%% on the forums is classified as hate speech by Riot and earns escalated punishment. The pre and post game chat are both recorded and available for review if reported. There are technical difficulties that stop the IFS from including them in reform cards.
I see. Didn't realize that. HOWEVER, given the frankly asinine conditions under which a term is coined "hate speech" in modern society, I would very much like a list of the words that Riot considers "hate speech". I imagine that it is quite extensive and equally ridiculous, given that the censor now blocks words like "cancer" and " AIDS".
Chermorg (NA)
: 1. It is not me, but Riot, that prefers their systems to be almost foolproof. If Riot is going to implement an automated system for something, they will ensure that the implementation is so foolproof such as the false positives are so few and far between that it doesn't take up support time to deal with them. That is why the IFS for chat is in place, as well as the one for common troll builds/running down mid - they've made both of those so foolproof such that they actually save time instead of take more time dealing with false punishments. 2. "while a Rioter... reviews the chat logs from champ select" - the only way you could determine if it was actual *trolling* is to have a Rioter review it. The nuances of champ select trolling are far too many to reliably have a bot dodge it. But, you're the first person I've seen suggest that the reporter receive the dodge penalty for it if it's deemed a bad dodge. Could I also suggest that you a) maybe require more than one person to vote to dodge, with only the first one at risk for dodge penalty (that way others would have to second the vote and people couldn't dodge for no reason), and b) post this in a thread so it can be discussed, because it seems like one of the more viable options? 3. They do read support tickets. I have had multiple tickets in the past 2 weeks have actual, obviously human responses. The IFS does see pre/post game chat, however it's not displayed in *reform cards* due to the reason you state. Riot and the IFS (banbot) can see both.
>the only way you could determine if it was actual trolling is to have a Rioter review it This is why the Tribunal should be brought back in full force complete with rewards for players who are committed to the actual service of justice (ie have a high percentage of correct votes). >If Riot is going to implement an automated system for something No system of punishment should be automated. There's a reason why an actual criminal trial can extend for months. This is the only way to ensure that all the evidence is given correct context and that the verdict is fair based on EVERYTHING surrounding the case. But Riot fundamentally believes the opposite, for some unknowable reason... >Riot and the IFS (banbot) can see both. If Riot/banbot could see post-game chat, I'd be seeing a lot more confirmations about my reports resulting in punishments...
: don't you think that's a bit much
Penalizing trolls with LP deductions and 30 minute queue times seems harsh to you? Meanwhile if you get visibly angry at these people one too many times, you just get slapped with a permaban. Ya, probably should show some leniency to the trolls...
MysterQ (NA)
: So if they get votekicked, then give them a penalty.
See my proposition above for a safer system that really cannot be abused in any capacity.
: It is possible to be punished for typing %%%% once. The punishment would be a 14 day ban if your account was clean or a perm ban if your account has any punishments in recent history. You shouldn't type it.
Entirely incorrect. If Riot banned players for cursing (even repeatedly) this community would consist of about 10 people. Also, and more importantly, Riot does NOT ban for anything that occurs in the pre-game or end-game lobbies (which is where the player typed the alleged curse). I do not know why they have not added these chat rooms to the in-game chat that is submitted when a report is filed, but to the best of my knowledge they still do not review these chat logs during an "investigation".
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: Actually the trolls **will** win if you implement that, because that's what they want. The vast majority of champion select trolls are trying to get other people to dodge for them so they get away without a penalty. That's the reason why it's such a shitty situation. Any kind of leniency towards dodging such trolls actually empowers them and validates champion select trolling as an effective strategy to get out of a lousy team composition, your less preferred role or having your champion banned or picked by the enemy.
Here's the system that Riot should implement (and I've been saying this for literally years and got nothing but downvotes for it, for some reason). You see someone trolling in champ select. You click a little button next to that player's name. It allows you to file a report similarly to how end-game reporting works. Upon submitting such a report, the client automatically kicks you from the queue and blocks your ability to requeue for ranked for a few minutes (sucks a bit, but bear with me). Given that literally all reports (0 exceptions) are handled by the automated banbot, processing of the report will take only minute tops. After processing, if the banbot is able to detect evidence of trolling, or an otherwise deliberate attempt to put people on tilt/at a disadvantage for the upcoming match, that player is punished (low priority queue and hefty LP loss should do the trick, escalating to actual account suspension if the behavior continues), and the reporter is forgiven of the dodge penalty and immediately allowed to requeue. If the report was found to be frivolous, the reporter would receive the standard dodge penalty. This solve the issue of such a system being abused (as there is risk associated with a false report).
AmazoX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Epicomanage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6oROZraX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T12:56:12.561+0000) > > How about a vote on abandoning the queue altogether? The trolls won't win and the innocent ones will have nothing to lose Inb4 premades out number the solo players and win the vote system
Premades would get 1 vote in such a system to prevent exactly this. 4-stacks should be banned, as they cause nothing but problems. No good can come from allowing 4 people to match with 1 random. Literally 100% a mistake for riot to allow this, and we have documented proof for this claim.
Chermorg (NA)
: Because there is not yet anyone suggesting a valid system that would be 99.99% unabusable that would permit this “free dodge” type thing. If they are toxic in chat (such as threatening to troll/afk/etc, cursing at you, etc) then you can screenshot and send a support ticket and they’ll punish for toxic chat. But until someone comes up with a good idea for a system that couldn’t be abused, then they can’t implement the system that hasn’t been described.
1) if you need a system that is literally that fool-proof, then leave the planet, as none such system exists here for literally ANYTHING. People will ALWAYS find a way to abuse the system. 2) easy solution: champ select reporting. File report, submit. system automatically dodges the game for you and blocks you from requeuing for a few minutes while a rioter/banbot reviews the chat logs from champ select and decides if the actions of the reportee warrant a legitimate fear of trolling. If yes, offending player is punished and the dodge penalty is forgiven. Given that literally everything on Riot's end is automated (including permanent bans, btw) this would take no more than 5 mins, even in the middle of the night. If the report is found to be erroneous or otherwise invalid, reporter receives standard dodge penalty. 3) submitting screenshots does literally nothing. Rioters literally never read support tickets EVER. Everything is automated. They don't give a shit. At present, the only bannable offenses come from the in-game chat. If you can prove otherwise, I'd very much like to see it; but I have yet to see a case of a player being punished for something done in pre/post-game chat, as they are considered to be on the client server and the the in-game server (and therefore inexplicably inaccessible to the ban bot).
Raoul (EUW)
: Why exactly do people act like you can only play one game at a time? Jesus, these games dont even share the same genre...
> [{quoted}](name=Raoul,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EvPd5HxB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-11T19:17:18.448+0000) > > Why exactly do people act like you can only play one game at a time? > > Jesus, these games dont even share the same genre... No, but they do generally appeal to the same type of gamer: team-based objective gameplay focusing on the use of character-specific skills. Only real difference is shooter vs top-down. Everything else is virtually the same, at least in principle.
: My wish list for Season 8:
>More Power in Support kits, less in items 'Nuff said. Playing support should be about the champions, not the items! While I can generally get behind this, if you buff support kits, you'll end up with shit like leona top lane and alistar jungle tearing through low elo utterly unopposed. Supports are designed to have the bulk of their impact locked behind a teammate that knows how to exploit the advantageous situations they create with their utility. Give them too much utility and you'll see them build damage and destroy people. Buffing their damage just exacerbates the current issue and makes them even stronger with the utility itemization. Kinda tough to balance a role that is based on teamplay rather than individual contribution.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=000100060000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-11T16:43:55.761+0000) > > Fact: I would not have spent RP on rune pages if I knew they were temporary, BECAUSE RIOT INSISTED ON THE FACT THAT THEY WERE PERMANENT. I could probably make a case for this being a violation of their own terms of use. Sorry, but they've actually said Rune Pages will be carried over. That said, for every 4 pages bought with RP (rounded up), you will get a mystery skin that's guaranteed to be epic.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=0001000600000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T18:02:35.851+0000) > > Sorry, but they've actually said Rune Pages will be carried over. > > That said, for every 4 pages bought with RP (rounded up), you will get a mystery skin that's guaranteed to be epic. Riot has very clearly stated this basic fact: RUNE PAGES CAN NOW BE ALTERED IN CHAMP SELECT. This renders obsolete more than a few extra rune pages (and even having a few extras is debatable in terms of value). I do not want my rune pages to carry over, as I do not need 20 of them now that I can change them on the fly. I want my RP back, as the item I purchased is no longer functional. QED.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lyZhzz3E,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2017-09-11T16:46:10.633+0000) > > You are questioning a guy with an eidetic memory. I recommend you stop now. ...reading comprehension isn't your thing, is it? Nothing of what you just said in any way means more than "I never saw it". No one's questioning that you never saw it, just that other people did.
But here's the thing, I have provided incontrovertible evidence that I WOULD have seen it ASSUMING THAT IT EVER EXISTED. And seeing as how I would not forget it...ya...Never happened. Literally never. But if you have proof (which you evidently do not) I'd be more than open to changing my stance (but you don't).
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-09-11T18:08:31.615+0000) > > lol you think riot will willingly give up money? You a funny guy, aren't you? They do. See vfactor's comment farther up this thread. Please check your assumptions at the door and be willing to meet people in a rational discussion.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QJ7fteFw,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-09-11T19:20:06.330+0000) > > They do. See vfactor's comment farther up this thread. > > Please check your assumptions at the door and be willing to meet people in a rational discussion. I assume nothing. Riot has literally never done anything remotely charitable EVER. They can't even treat the fans that literally carried them by their bootstraps to where they are today with a single modicum of respect. And as for vfactor's comment, they could always hold a fundraiser to do more if they wanted. But the don't soooooo...
: Reddit idea: Riot should place forcast janna on sale and donate the money harvey/irma relief funds
lol you think riot will willingly give up money? You a funny guy, aren't you?
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=0001000600000000,timestamp=2017-09-04T08:05:48.480+0000) > > If you think that what Riot is doing is acceptable then you are pretty messed up... oh riot fuked u too for a free game for free content ?
> [{quoted}](name=jwebb0113,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=00010006000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-04T08:11:41.948+0000) > > oh riot fuked u too for a free game for free content ? Please remove your internet browser before you hurt yourself. As I have repeatedly stated (along with countless others) I HAVE PURCHASED RUNE PAGES WITH FUCKING RP (AKA REAL FKIN MONEY). I would NEVER had spent this on rune pages had I known they were temporary. And with the amount that I did spend on rune pages, I could have bought at least 1 extra epic skin then I will end up with, but they would be for champs I actually play instead of just a random one. You, sir, are evidently not a veteran player, ergo your opinion on this matter is utterly invalid.
: I've been playin since s2 as well, and I will have a minimum of 250k BE.
Do you own every champion have 20 runes pages with all viable runes and regularly spend IP to unlock mastery levels 6 and 7? Gonna go out on a limb here and say you don't.
: You not noticing it =/= it never happening. I saw it quite frequently.
You are questioning a guy with an eidetic memory. I recommend you stop now. I can remember quite vividly the conversation with my friend about how I was only getting matched against bronze players (ie no border) even though I was high silver. Come to find out, it was actually just because enemy borders were invisible.
: > [{quoted}](name=MonkeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=0001000600000000,timestamp=2017-09-04T08:05:48.480+0000) > > If you think that what Riot is doing is acceptable then you are pretty messed up... People defending the lack of refund are worse than that. They know it's not acceptable but they're using terrible arguments to justify it.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3EqxEq9,comment-id=00010006000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-04T08:27:56.433+0000) > > People defending the lack of refund are worse than that. > > They know it's not acceptable but they're using terrible arguments to justify it. Fact: I would not have spent RP on rune pages if I knew they were temporary, BECAUSE RIOT INSISTED ON THE FACT THAT THEY WERE PERMANENT. I could probably make a case for this being a violation of their own terms of use.
Splatyo (NA)
: well Monkey, you say you're ending up with 1 epic skin, but you're keeping the rune pages, they transfer to the new rune system. so in the new system you'd still have to buy rune pages
And because rune pages can now be altered in champ select, it is utterly useless to have more than a few. Had I known that this was going to happen, I would have spent my ACTUAL MONEY on something more valuable.
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