: The case for point-and-click hard CC
Point and click hard CC is only a problem when its instantaneous. Fiddle fear, Malz R, Ryze W. Tarics old E was one of the healthiest CC spells in the game because of its slow speed to counterbalance its reliability
: Then why are the champs that have higher winrate against him melee toplaners? Error 404, boards narrative not found https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/TahmKench/Top/
all of these are champions who trade in the most indirect and avoiding manner possible except for Kled who has innate disengage on his double dash (and probably wins the game by roaming and not laning anyway) ? this is surely indicative that tahm is reasonable to all melees right?
: A Case for why "Size" Should be a (Tank) Stat
god imagine if sejuani turned into an 8ft tall amazon and ganked you
: Two weeks after release Yuumi's win rate has climbed to 42%
57% for mains and a 19% play rate are both important stats you leave out here
Rioter Comments
: Champs without mana should not have ability to poke
: Can we buff grievous wounds?
You're reducing their purchased healing by 40% and taking a huge chunk of their build and gold efficiency You actually have to do a little more than just apply the easiest applied debuff in the game and then win automatically
iiGazeii (NA)
: Who could use an Ezreal-tier VGU?
: Yuumi proves how utterly clueless this forum is.
: Aatrox is in the most balanced state he has ever been.
: Do Mages take skill to play?
Mages take skill but they're probably on the middle-low end alongside fighters except for a handful of mechanical champions like Azir Asol and Ryze
: Mages take skill to play, you are just salty that you lost to one. Its funny really, if you were to turn around and play that exact same mage you would get stomped. This reminds me of the time Hashinshin said the same thing about Viktor top but then when he played him he fed so hard that the system thought he was inting and gave him a 2 week ban.
interesting you leave out he was being camped and also against one of Viktors hardest counter picks
Kazekiba (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cchGaLRP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-16T17:11:19.853+0000) > > every high skilled players like Wickd already forsaw that the nerf was going to impact her a lot, +4 sec cd at all ranks on ANY spell is a kneecap on any champion > > remember when varus Q cd went up by 4 sec at all ranks and then his win rate went down to 42%? > What about a 3 second buff on your most important skill? Thats surely going to spike her already excessive w%
shield being up 4 seconds less often is way harsher than buffing an already low CD spell
: Yummi just got the biggest buff I've ever seen
We can't play an unusual champion well on day 1 so Riot is just making sure sales hold up
Rioter Comments
: Read: look how edgy and cool i am for hating this champion for the past several weeks I'll always permaban I'm so cool guys lmao
remember how u guys asked for hotfix buffs for sylas and aatrox and taliyah and so on enjoy being wrong again ig
: I can't be the only one waiting for a really GOOD champion to come out right
: Shut your piehole you negative nancy.
Don't mind me bro I'm just not a real fan after all
KazKaz (OCE)
: Irelia's rework is a failure
Most everything you listed is either numbers or not even related to the champion (bad design because Conqueror lul) or not an issue at all. Nobody who is reasonable believes point and click damage is inherently unfair. Most everything you've complained about is solved with numbers changes. That's not a bad design.
: The thing not to be looking forward to is the flood of anti-reworks and paranoia threads that will dominate the boards and/or Reddit for the first day whichever is announced. AFAIK, it's only the Fiddlestick's mains who're unanimously supportive and enthusiastic about their champ being reworked. The others have a heavy amount of 'fans' who're pretty depressed that their champ was even listed at all.
"Fans" because if you're not cool with Riot replacing your champion choice then I guess you just weren't a real fan
Rioter Comments
DalekZec (EUNE)
: Oooh boohoo the horrors! Because Yuumi doesn't have a Darius Q, or Zoe W, or Akali's true stealth, or WW ulti, or anything slapped with a big mark of "certainlyt designs" in the poor kitty cat. Ladies and gentlemen, MoodyP The CT cultist. He probably has a pic of him somewhere in his Moody room for his Moody peepee time. Get off your high horse. You banning the champ will not make her ban rate 100% solely cuz you don't like the design.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OGwuUhJM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-14T23:32:13.920+0000) > > Oooh boohoo the horrors! > Because Yuumi doesn't have a Darius Q, or Zoe W, or Akali's true stealth, or WW ulti, or anything slapped with a big mark of "certainlyt designs" in the poor kitty cat. > > Ladies and gentlemen, MoodyP > The CT cultist. > He probably has a pic of him somewhere in his Moody room for his Moody peepee time. > > Get off your high horse. You banning the champ will not make her ban rate 100% solely cuz you don't like the design. Fishing for a third ban, huh?
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: I don't think all melee need to have sustain. I do think they usually need some form of laning survivability though, whether that be healing, untargetability, shielding, a parry or whatever. Melee without need either extremely high health regen (hidden sustain basically), safe ranged farming (so not true melee) or the ability to simply bully hard enough no one tries to trade with them. There are ways those approaches can work too but they bring other challenges so don't want to use them too often.
what if wukong spawned bananas on trees nearby and could pick them up for health over time, I think that would be more thematic
Meddler (NA)
: Prototype Wukong Changes on PBE Context
is it necessary for all fighters to be vampires? I feel like sustain is becoming an obligation band aid for survivability problems lately
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ALdqxN5s,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-12T22:55:55.039+0000) > > lists olaf as stat checking, when he needs to spam a skillshot axe that he has to pick up later to deal damage and slow the target That's not skill it's just gimmick and fairly easy to do since olag usually has a buttload of movespeed and is one of the champions people might take ghost on
It isn't easy at all. Olaf has high cast times and a missed axe is a lost fight or a failed gank in the early game where he is strongest
: I think the problem isn't how good annie is, its just her outdated kit. Outdated kits are especially punishing for squishy immobile short range champs.
: Watching Annie bot getting decimated from every champion sure is sad to watch...
Azca33 (NA)
: Watching MSI is Depressing for NA Fans
imagine caring about esports
Ishawnn (NA)
: Guys PLEASE vote for Volibear
Play better. Volibear is A tier in both roles right now.
: When i look at kled, and see that he dismounts and then remounts after autoing a champ like 4 times.
Jack Raiden (EUNE)
: have you tried picking darius into tahm? at least on paper darius seems like a good counter to immobile tank who likes long trades
> [{quoted}](name=Jack Raiden,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Qvz59EWy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-11T13:08:13.172+0000) > > have you tried picking darius into tahm? > at least on paper darius seems like a good counter to immobile tank who likes long trades Tahm bodies Darius, you don't wanna play that lane
Muzét (EUW)
: Why do you think Volibear doesn't need one. He could be so much more than an armored bear when he's the freaking (demi-)God of Thunder. Kennen feels way more thunder-y than him and the Kinku Ninja isn't symbolize it.
New lore is cringe and shit, Volibear being a bear with lightning is 100x more interesting than redesigning him to shit out lightning on every spell
: Wow, Spear of Shojin is absolutely the worst item this game has seen in terms of balance.
: What is this post lmao
mid mains up to their nonsense again
: Hi, Warwick sucks and full of bugs. Please fix him.
: > [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P2iA81NO,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T16:55:31.292+0000) > > There are massively more champions now than at the time Shyvana was popular. > > Which VGUs are good? > > Sion is toxic and nobody likes when he's good for as much as people like to show how cool they are by praising him at any chance. Same for Poppy. Swain is a generic bursty combo mage and everything that linked him to old swain is watered down or gone. Taric is toxic. Warwick is bad. Galio is a *travesty.* Aatrox is still a dumb champion > > The only good VGUs to date are Poppy and Akali. Everybody else is mediocre or garbage. Volibear and Shyvana are in the same camp of low popularity champions as Galio and Aatrox. There's absolutely nothing exciting about this prospect. What? Lmao Sion is legit one of the best VGUs riot has ever done. And nobody likes it when anything is good. His kit is fine. It’s not toxic.
Sion is low counterplay and low interaction in lane phase, his entire game plan revolves around hitting you with attacks well past most fighters can't reach back or react to, either with E spam or uncharged Qs to pelt you down with damage. On the chance you DO get to him he has a free "stat check me harder or lose" shield to cover his ass. No, he isn't well designed.
: But Volibear doesn't do damage scaling with Auto attacks? Thats the issue, hes a champion that builds health/Tank to assist his passive and W and absorb damage for his team? Please don't come here if you don't understand the champion an act like a fool, I am here to educate on a champion that is under-utilized, and under-powered, who doesn't match his lore.
I play Volibear an entire division above you, buddy. Volibear is an auto attacker. Whether or not he's buying a shit load of AD to scale it doesn't matter. He doesn't need AD. He has a strong steroid ultimate that scales with attack speed. All your damage is coming from AAs except for bite.
Profirix (NA)
: Unfortunately for most of us who have dedicated mains, we don't get to be the overwhelming voice when changes start coming. We get to leave our mark more-so than non-mains because Riot doesn't want to alienate the fan base, but she's not a champion that the majority of the player base cares to learn because there isn't anything remarkable about her gameplay. She is outdated. She is a season 2 relic that could benefit greatly from a Warwick-level update. Her dragon form should feel awesome and powerful instead of a fatter model with slightly augmented abilities. Her gameplay should be more than run-at-you and bash you until you or I die. There should be more intricacies to her kit that separates the expert level players from the newer players. There just aren't right now. It isn't about 'me, me, me.' Quite the opposite actually. They are trying to make these champions appeal to a broader audience.
There are massively more champions now than at the time Shyvana was popular. Which VGUs are good? Sion is toxic and nobody likes when he's good for as much as people like to show how cool they are by praising him at any chance. Same for Poppy. Swain is a generic bursty combo mage and everything that linked him to old swain is watered down or gone. Taric is toxic. Warwick is bad. Galio is a *travesty.* Aatrox is still a dumb champion The only good VGUs to date are Poppy and Akali. Everybody else is mediocre or garbage. Volibear and Shyvana are in the same camp of low popularity champions as Galio and Aatrox. There's absolutely nothing exciting about this prospect.
: Why you should Vote for Volibear.
Yeah, an auto attacking duelist with an attack speed steroid makes no sense having an ultimate that enhances his auto attack dueling. OK buddy
: Don't Vote for Volibear
Profirix (NA)
: An outside view of the champion is one of the reasons you SHOULD listen to his argument because it probably isn't as emotionally connected as a main might be. I was pretty subjective on the Tahm Kench changes until I realized that it actually felt better once I gave him a shot. I gave Riot a bunch of crap for it until the rework came out thinking it was going to be a failure. Shyvana is boring, the one thing a dragon (half) shouldn't be. Hell, dragons are the majority of the reason people got into Game of Thrones in the first place, why people were so passionate about Aurelion Sol (until his kit kinda just sucked and wasn't that interesting).
Boring for YOU. That's what you people never grasp. There are people who DO like the champion, and never once in any of these OPs that lecture at you why your champion should just be scrapped and redone entirely do they ever consider it. Its all "me, me, me!" And I will predict that just like near all other VGUs in this style many will go at great length to justify bad or boring rework designs and telling you how good it is now while not playing a single game of it themselves and giving NO thought to the people who played it for years.
: Let’s stop kidding ourselves: Shyvana needs a full scale update the most - and it’s not even close.
"I don't play Shyvana" Might as well just stop there; you don't, you wont and you never will play Shyvana, so why pretend you want her improved other than to spite her player base? Its fairly consistent pattern for these replacements to alienate their original base.
Rioter Comments
afmghost (NA)
: Indie Games or AAA Games: which have been better?
God of War blows all indie shit out of the water
man of tin (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bBBuy5mR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-10T12:34:59.394+0000) > > I'll stop asking when they can make a single iteration of newtrox good or healthy So... exactly what he is right now?
> [{quoted}](name=man of tin,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bBBuy5mR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-10T13:21:36.016+0000) > > So... exactly what he is right now? Freelo isn't healthy
: Stop asking for a Aatrox revert.
I'll stop asking when they can make a single iteration of newtrox good or healthy
Muzét (EUW)
: If you were able to order your vote into a list...
Volibear doesn't Fiddle, Mundo, Nocturne Shyvana Volibear
: Udyr isnt even on the list? Really?
He doesn't need one so it makes sense
: but moody what if its volibear
> [{quoted}](name=GigaKench,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IGgPvdR3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-10T03:03:26.034+0000) > > but moody > > what if its volibear At least I would know in advance that the vgu failed massively
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