CJXander (EUNE)
: We've produced a Snowdown 2019 login screen, meet the team.
I look forward to snowdown every year, the fact they cut it for some other event that could be done ANYTIME of the year is just flagrant incompetence on their part.
: > [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GeIFeH5a,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-12-05T07:14:48.524+0000) > > Top and mid dont really count since they can be pretty interchangeable. Senna is being nerfed in the new patch to make her more support oriented, they nerfed pykes dmg to take him out of top. Lux is like any ap carry that can go mid or supp for harass, but thats the nature of this new meta of dmg dmg dmg. Mundo can go jungle or top, not much you can do without completely changing him there. And noct is a jungler, ive seen him played mid but he gets stomped if hes camped. Your first sentence is a double standard (half your response is actually.) But even if you chose to ignore mages going bot or top/mid match-ups, my examples could still go on forever, so I don't really need to address the rest of this. Your reaction to Mundo was just "it cant be helped." Yet, you continue to act like dual roles isn't a thing? Like, okay.
You can't address it because you would be wrong. And you might want to look up the word double standard, doesn't apply to what you are trying to convey. Mundo can't really be helped b/c any change would completely push him out of any play. And when I say change, its almost always a nerf.
: > [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GeIFeH5a,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-12-04T16:19:08.986+0000) > > Riot has been moving away from champions being able to fill multiple roles so this change makes sense. They are pigeon-holing champions to fill one role as long as it doesnt affect the specific role they deem it should be in. {{champion:84}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:235}}
Top and mid dont really count since they can be pretty interchangeable. Senna is being nerfed in the new patch to make her more support oriented, they nerfed pykes dmg to take him out of top. Lux is like any ap carry that can go mid or supp for harass, but thats the nature of this new meta of dmg dmg dmg. Mundo can go jungle or top, not much you can do without completely changing him there. And noct is a jungler, ive seen him played mid but he gets stomped if hes camped.
: > Riot has been moving away from champions being able to fill multiple roles so this change makes sense. He said literally in the patch after Riot released a support/ADC hybrid {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
Should read the new patch notes, they are nerfing her dmg specifically to put her in support role only.
: About Those Karma Buffs - Riot Can We Talk?
Riot has been moving away from champions being able to fill multiple roles so this change makes sense. They are pigeon-holing champions to fill one role as long as it doesnt affect the specific role they deem it should be in. So make competent suggestions as you like, but it isn't going to change Riot's shortsighted stance on the matter.
Rioter Comments
Terozu (NA)
: You had a month's notice about Qiyana's prestige being in this event. Stop complaining.
I didn't know it was for the event honestly, not everyone combs through all the sites like some ppl do. But I don't play riven or qiyana so I spent it on the pp points. Just waiting to see what to spend it on before they expire, which BTW is completely stupid on their part. After they expire I won't be buying any, strictly getting them from events.
musixxal (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=IronyAndSublime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XUEFeAMQ,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2019-11-05T17:19:41.128+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j34LxFRWjs {{champion:91}} "P a t h e t i c" "hey guys remember when this game was balanced"
You mean everyone being below 30%? What exactly is your complaint? He can do that now, except with ppl that have higher hp.
: Riot can you remove the expiration date on Prestige Points?
Giving them an expiration just means fewer people have an incentive to buy them. It's an immensely incompetent business decision moving forward.
: It was definitely their intent with Pyke and now Senna. I suspect but I don't have any evidence that it's also why Riot has turned several mages into supports or almost supports over the years.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=L8cR034r,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-30T15:19:34.455+0000) > > It was definitely their intent with Pyke and now Senna. I suspect but I don't have any evidence that it's also why Riot has turned several mages into supports or almost supports over the years. It makes sense since support is one of the least played roles, bouncing between jungler. Making it have more of an impact in game, at least an up front impact, will make people want to play it more, if not at least mind playing it. This is why you see so many AP carry supps. People don't want to supp, especially in soloq, no one likes having to depend on some random scrub.
: Victorious Morgana: had gold rank near season start, got busy with real life, got rank decayed, lost season rewards... Victorious Maokai: tried to get gold near season end instead of start, played vs a flood of smurfs and boosters for the last week of the season, got to gold promos many times, had afk teammates (and a few 'gatekeepers' checking if allies were in gold promos and then intentionally losing if they were), was in gold promos literally up to the last minute and didn't make it through... A similar situation also happened on my first account and Victorious Elise. I really wanted Victorious Elise and Maokai but I wasn't victorious enough. Glad riot got rid of ranked decay because it was overly harsh at punishing busy people. It is too bad they never retroactively compensated people who were denied by it though.
Victorious Elise, got robbed with all the end of season boosters
: Senna Being the Next Champ is the Perfect 10th Anniversery Champion
Nothing is more iconic than Rengar and Kha'Zix. Don't @ me.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=oivfalAR,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-10-10T06:38:32.333+0000) > > No you won't, people will hate you, and ostracize you, but you won't be censored. Look no farther then the Westboro church or the KKK for proof of that. I mean you're right but they are deplatformed everywhere and anyone that entertains their viewpoints even for discussion is shunned. Like just for talking to some of these people someone like Joe Rogan is considered alt-right by the mainstream and any politician who talked to him would basically get hammered with accusations. But honestly groups like the ACLU defending the freedom of speech of people who promote literal hate speech does show that these values still exist in our country. But even then its not perfect. After the Charlottesville incident they ended up backing down on their stance of defending the protestor's rights. And if there's no one in defense of these people, its not long until free speech is completely vulnerable to anything that can be compare to hate speech. But no idea why you're downvoted here. Maybe because you use the phrase "won't be censored" when deplatforming is almost the same thing? Its a blurry line given how places that should be considered public online are actively removing people based on accusations alone. There's an argument that it is censorship when your private company is so big that it controls the majority of speech online and you aggressively remove people.
You guys don't seem to understand what free speech is. The fact you hear of it, or understand of its existence is proof enough of that freedom. Its amazing how coddled and spoiled a lot of you are of these freedoms. But I suppose it makes sense since you have a government thats running rampant with corruption, and a party thats not only complicit, but trying to explain away all the president's actions. Despite the self-incrimination he does on a daily basis.
: I mean, you'd have to apply that to Epic Games too since Tencent has a 40% share of epic aswell pretty sure.
But Epic doesn't care and refuse to be censored. The founder still has controlling stock over the company and still has the balls to stand for freedom. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/tech/fortnite-hong-kong/index.html
: What? Sejuani got gutted because people who play her were seeing success with her before they buffed both cinderhulk and her W in the same patch. Then she became an unkillable monster with the ability to 100-0 an ADC at any point in the game with her combo. She instant cleared camps meaning there was no way you would ever be behind in farm provided you understood pathing even a tiny bit, and provides the most reliable flash CC in the game with a passive that allows for diving turrets very early on in the game. There was no downside to the champion, she was just incredibly strong with no weaknesses. So they hit the W back to where it was before the buff, as that was the change that made her busted. I'm sorry but I shouldn't be able to walk into a Rek'Sai level 3 for scuttle and win that trade, get the scuttle, and even if it becomes a 3v3 for top or bottom crab I still win because I'm a busted champion with too much % damage in my kit. OH AND THIS IS % DAMAGE BASED ON YOUR OWN HEALTH, for a champion that only builds health. She won every matchup except against Kindred who wasn't strong at the time. I'm sorry but that isn't ok, and that's why she got nerfed. Being able to pick a champion knowing that you are going to be able to do whatever you want the entire game because noone can touch you is just ridiculously broken, and welcome to why she eventually got nerfed. I don't think gold players should comment on whether a champion should or shouldn't be nerfed, because as you can tell with this post, you gold players have no clue how strong things actually are.
Spoken as someone who clearly doesn't understand the champ. Her only %hp dmg was her passive, which they completely gutted. You're argument is that since there was finally a viable tank, to completely nerf them into nonexistence. Sound about right? This game is going downhill HARD. Where only a few champs are even viable to play competitively and the rest are sub par. Not enough bans are given to ban the broken champs, so every game is lopsided. The reporting system is a joke, IDGAF if someone cusses or is "verbally abusive". I can easily mute that person, but I can't mute a gd feeder/thrower out of the game. THAT needs to be addressed. Lets not even get started on ranked and how much of a joke it is. I swear you get grouped with complete trash or ppl a few ranks below you when you're in promos.
: Burst damage makes it harder to appreciate pro skills
I mean, it opens up worlds to anyone, but that isnt necessarily a good thing. Some random scrub can show up just because their ability to play safe and then blow people up later has been honed. Zero skill, just pick the right champ or counter and go from there.
: Pyke needs a serious nerf
Yes yes, your newb tears sustain me.
HiemDall (NA)
: I am not saying every skin is gonna cost rito 600k out of the gate to make Sure the immediate cost for making a skin is probably fairly low However, it is not like they make themselves So you have to factor in the work hours as well Per person, so if you have 4 people work on a skin for 60-80 hours you have to pay each of them for 60-80 hours of work, that is a major lowball on the time btw And since riot employees make obscene amount of money it is safe to assume they aren't getting minimum wage for their work This is only assuming that they only use inhouse effects If they end up having to record new sound effect clips, it's gonna cost a lot If they end up leaving the office for something, you also factor in the transportation costs as well You know gas, paying the drivers, etc If they end up making new voice lines, they have to pay someone to write them, record the lines, edit said lines, and have a VO say them, Then once the skin is done you hand it over to the gameplay dep And then if there are any issues with the model, that will have to get fixed as well costing more in work hours Any touch ups after the release will also cost money increasing the cost I didn't say it a sterling example of business etiquette Only that no business would ever risk making the second largest Esports event in the world boring Because that is a good way to make sure no one new is gonna come back next year
A hole in your reasoning, riot employess actually get paid an average, less than 6 figures. The CEO's and CFO's get all the money. Just as it is in almost every company nowadays. Pay little so the top can reap the profits.
TehNACHO (NA)
: Everybody wants to talk about strategy and skill expression in this game, but
No amount of wave management/control is going to help you win against how broken this game is atm. Too much dmg
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: Riot basically dug their own grave with this game. They even showed this to the rest of the community by teasing a new game. They lost all hope so they are starting to give up on their own game. Anyway, the only reasons I still play this game is because I can't find anything else as a replacement, and because most of my friends still play. I don't even enjoy playing Yi and that should ring some bells to anyone that knows me. I'm just waiting for the next game that will make me waste hours on it. With every patch note another piece of me wants to give up and I will probably need more than just nostalgia and love to keep playing this game.
> [{quoted}](name=Nazgul10,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cjKAeJHO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-23T13:52:57.537+0000) > > Riot basically dug their own grave with this game. They even showed this to the rest of the community by teasing a new game. They lost all hope so they are starting to give up on their own game. > > Anyway, the only reasons I still play this game is because I can't find anything else as a replacement, and because most of my friends still play. I don't even enjoy playing Yi and that should ring some bells to anyone that knows me. I'm just waiting for the next game that will make me waste hours on it. With every patch note another piece of me wants to give up and I will probably need more than just nostalgia and love to keep playing this game. Lol, why would they tease a new game when they did so poorly on maintaining their current one, their CS(Customer Service) is complete garbage, they can't effectively police their own game and their community engagement is trash. IF they do have a new game, its gonna tank b/c they don't take criticism well or feedback.
: Still no Jinx nerfs.
Probably b/c she has glaring weaknesses
: Discussion Thread About Riot's Envisioned Future (Please Join To Give Your Opinion)
> [{quoted}](name=NoGloryFound,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0EqcU7jr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-17T15:16:26.421+0000) > > This post was originally on EUW Boards. > > Everything in the text below is mainly based on my own opinion on what is going on with League of Legends in 2019. In some cases I will use sources which I will link at the end of each part. I want to invite you all to join in the discussion and give your own opinion on the directions Riot is taking in the last months. > > **_Balancing of the game_** > This has to be the part that is mainly complained about by the community. Every patch there are complaints about the "disgrace" of some nerfs and buffs. I used to be one of these people. But then I informed myself about how hard it is to balance all champions at the same time, while changing the meta every now and then. However, what does annoy me as a player is that nowadays champions are being buffed whenever a skins comes out for that champion. Two of the main examples of this are: Championship Kha'zix (at the time of Worlds 2018 (1)), and now Valiant Sword Riven (with additional prestige edition (2) (3)). For those of you who don't know yet, Riven is most likely to receive some buffs in the next patch. I mean, I get that Riot wants to sell their skins, but giving ridiculous buffs to champions that aren't in the worst spot in the game just makes me frustrated as this has nothing to do with "changing the meta". Once again, in most cases I do not mind the patches anymore, as I have accepted change in League's meta. > > 1. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-819-notes > 2. https://www.riftherald.com/lol-skins/2019/9/10/20859484/immortal-journey-riven-morgana-nami-valiant-sword-majestic-empress-splendid-staff > 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl-vLa1Ctak > Honestly this wouldn't be bad, to change the meta from time to time, but dmg seems to be the problem atm and its just getting worse and worse with every season.
: I knew people we're going to complain about this. It's literally an insignificant little side project that someone at Riot probably made, and here we are complaining about it when there are actual issues in the game lmao
B/c it was done in bad faith, it represents EVERY league player b/c of their flawed gameplay and game mechanics in this current meta. The OP is right, the game is trash atm b/c it takes almost no skill, its just about who gets ahead first.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T06:23:47.898+0000) > > You're the type of person who would buy CoD, and then buy the next game despite it being EXACTLY the same with one or two new features, but be happy to shell out the 60+$ for pretty much the EXACT same game. Actually, i am not. I'm not into FPS games and anything that EA or Activision makes. Which means that i'm not that idiot who spends $60 on the same game that comes out annually. I'll leave that to the people who can't make this distinction. >Even the cosmetic they are adding to the mastery is less effort than the original mastery that was added, and no, the stats that they originally had told exactly what they are implementing again. Then make the argument that the Eternals Mastery isn't flashy enough to be worth the price. Make the argument that you want more distinction between challenges for each champion and something that's unique to them or their play style, not just how many times you slowed or stunned (etc.) someone. But pretending that this should be free because it showcases your "mastery" of your chosen champion, DOES not make you entitled to that piece of content for no cost.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T19:45:53.590+0000) > > Actually, i am not. > I'm not into FPS games and anything that EA or Activision makes. Which means that i'm not that idiot who spends $60 on the same game that comes out annually. I'll leave that to the people who can't make this distinction. > > Then make the argument that the Eternals Mastery isn't flashy enough to be worth the price. > Make the argument that you want more distinction between challenges for each champion and something that's unique to them or their play style, not just how many times you slowed or stunned (etc.) someone. > > But pretending that this should be free because it showcases your "mastery" of your chosen champion, DOES not make you entitled to that piece of content for no cost. We aren't arguing over that, the problem is what they are trying to sell NOW. This has honestly been the only game I have spent this much money on cosmetics so I have no problem with their business model, but ETERNALS is a clear cash grab of the greediest nature. In its current iteration, its a slap in the face to consumers as a whole and is following the trend of other triple A companies that are trashing their own moneymakers to make a quick buck.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: >tldr: being charged for something that used to be free and in no way takes up extensive resources to create being monetized is predatory and plain GREEDY. You have no effing idea what you're talking about, at all. "The stats" you're talking about being "free" - were just stats on your profile or on your op.gg page. If you want BLING that relates to these stats that's visible in-game - THAT has never existed in the game and therefore, never was free. Your argument would be as dumb as claiming how Riot making a Chroma for the default skin for a champion should also be "FREE", given that it's a skin that everyone has to own because it's the default champion's look. Chromas are still BLING that changes the look of your champion, even if you're talking about a 290 RP skin for their Default look. Riot took the opportunity to create content somewhere that content hasn't existed and therefore, charge money for it. So no, it's not GREEDY or SCUMMY to expect payment for the work you put into making cosmetic items for the game - which the game itself has depended on as long as its been alive. Besides, with the update to Eternals, you're already going to have tiered Eternals that would cost only BE and would be purchasable "for FREE". So Riot did solve your particular problem.
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T14:31:37.948+0000) > > You have no effing idea what you're talking about, at all. > "The stats" you're talking about being "free" - were just stats on your profile or on your op.gg page. If you want BLING that relates to these stats that's visible in-game - THAT has never existed in the game and therefore, never was free. > > Your argument would be as dumb as claiming how Riot making a Chroma for the default skin for a champion should also be "FREE", given that it's a skin that everyone has to own because it's the default champion's look. Chromas are still BLING that changes the look of your champion, even if you're talking about a 290 RP skin for their Default look. > > Riot took the opportunity to create content somewhere that content hasn't existed and therefore, charge money for it. So no, it's not GREEDY or SCUMMY to expect payment for the work you put into making cosmetic items for the game - which the game itself has depended on as long as its been alive. Besides, with the update to Eternals, you're already going to have tiered Eternals that would cost only BE and would be purchasable "for FREE". So Riot did solve your particular problem. DId you just glaze over my entire comment and just go to the tldr? lol Even the cosmetic they are adding to the mastery is less effort than the original mastery that was added, and no, the stats that they originally had told exactly what they are implementing again. You're the type of person who would buy CoD, and then buy the next game despite it being EXACTLY the same with one or two new features, but be happy to shell out the 60+$ for pretty much the EXACT same game. Don't be stupid like that.
GilxeN (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=YoIchBinFinn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=znAweAzR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-30T00:24:50.738+0000) > > 5) Play safe and don't be dumb. Like really, you shouldn't stay with half-life or less without potions / stopwatch / flash or heal. Haha play safe, when your fking AOE ult melts instantly in true damage, ok I will play safe, what about team fights u god damn genius, one ult, then resets, resets, resets, RESETS. Literally you must play perfectly against Pyke to win him, when Pyke player is free to make mistakes. In particular fuck this champion, I will keep banning him every single draft until actions are taken the right direction.
Or just don't be terrible and make excuses, pyke is strong but has some glaring weaknesses, he just spoonfed you how to counter and play against him and all you do is just complain. Stay hardstuck
: inb4 the "Pyke has one of the most dodgeable kits..." guy comes to comment for another 30 downvotes
b/c it is, just because you newbs can't dodge anything doesnt make him broken. The best way to counter him is just to ward the bushes, then he has to back out far to heal up and he misses out on exp, if he starts putting reds or scans, means he isn't warding the jungle, which makes it ez to gank the lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2T97VR4E,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-29T12:20:26.827+0000) > > Boy the diablo immobile reveal was a giant shit show of nothing but hate and with a community MUCH smaller then league's sooooooo I can't understand why they would release one especially with all the hate they already get. Because riot is owned by Tencent. Chinese and Koreans love mobile, the cash is there
> [{quoted}](name=Mythrandill,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2T97VR4E,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-29T13:51:05.285+0000) > > Because riot is owned by Tencent. Chinese and Koreans love mobile, the cash is there They love it for stupid games like candy crush or clash royale, not games that require a good connection and instant reactions to situations. The chinese btw HATED the idea of a Diablo immortals, they love mobile for certain types of games, not garbage versions of the originals.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: >"predatory business practices" I think you need to reevaluate what "lootbox monetizarion" and "predatory" means in the current landscape of things instead of labeling everything with even a hint of similarity as such. I'm tired of baby boomers now thinking everyone's out to get their mommy money when they get an option to pay for something they don't like being in a game and immediately call it "predatory". When you understand what these words mean, we can talk about it like ADULTS. Following hate trends on the internet and labeling everything as "EA" when you don't like it, is getting old. "Customer is always right" only works if the customer actually has his head screwed on properly on his shoulders. No one actually cares to cater to an individual and their whims. One example i will give you is that League's Chests are not the same as EA's Lootboxes. You may not like they exist but these are not hard-baked into the game's progression and the easiest (and still the cheapest) way to obtain skins is to buy them directly from League's store - where every week Riot actually has skin sales up to 60% off with 10% of the current champion roster (14 different skins rotated weekly).
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T19:24:54.789+0000) > > I think you need to reevaluate what "lootbox monetizarion" and "predatory" means in the current landscape of things instead of labeling everything with even a hint of similarity as such. I'm tired of baby boomers now thinking everyone's out to get their mommy money when they get an option to pay for something they don't like being in a game and immediately call it "predatory". > > When you understand what these words mean, we can talk about it like ADULTS. Following hate trends on the internet and labeling everything as "EA" when you don't like it, is getting old. "Customer is always right" only works if the customer actually has his head screwed on properly on his shoulders. No one actually cares to cater to an individual and their whims. > > One example i will give you is that League's Chests are not the same as EA's Lootboxes. > You may not like they exist but these are not hard-baked into the game's progression and the easiest (and still the cheapest) way to obtain skins is to buy them directly from League's store - where every week Riot actually has skin sales up to 60% off with 10% of the current champion roster (14 different skins rotated weekly). I'll spoonfeed you the answer since its probably what you are used to. Nothing is wrong with lootboxes, you are paying for a cosmetic that gives your champ a different identity that you either like playing with or relate to, or whatever reason people have. There is nothing wrong with making money. The issue here is that they are monetizing something that was FREE not too long ago, and then saying that its "hard" to implement with the substandard addition to mastery tacked on to it. It's the "quality" of whats being monetized or lack thereof. For something that is FREE everywhere else b/c it is information they already gather to begin with. tldr: being charged for something that used to be free and in no way takes up extensive resources to create being monetized is predatory and plain GREEDY.
: I had 10 kills and 0 deaths by 10 minutes as jg and we still lost since we had a teemo shit the bed in lane at champ select, especially against a poppy, and then my bot lane played completely passive and didn't go in when I did until I was almost dead. We were cleaning winning by minutes 5 and 10 but it didn't matter because the rest of their team scaled and we had no comp. Games are not over in 5 minutes unless 2 of your lanes lose badly.
The problem is that games do end early, but they end at champ select, its pretty clear that a select few champs are viable b/c they scale WAY too well over others, if you make it past a certain point in the game, you've lost. Comp is and always should be important, but it should be based on proper roles, tank/dps/supp, not based on the champ you pick.
: pyke. an assasin with stealth. mobility, fast heal IN COMBAT a hook, an execute, slow. stun
Learn to play against him or actually play him consistently, then make valid statements, right now you have no idea what you are talking about.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: > its over the predatory practice of monetizing everything. I'm sick and tired of this constant BS about "overmonetization" because you get a purchase in the game that you're clearly not forced to eat in its entirety and yet, you think shouldn't exist because it doesn't jive well with you. So before we get any further into this discussion, why do you have such a firm belief that Riot's not allowed to sell anything other than skins in their game? This is the exact BS argument i've heard about selling Emotes, Ward skins, Icons and Chromas. "Oh, they should be free and even high Mastery levels should have some sort of a unique, rare, free skin because this rewards me as a player and...". Where do they get to earn money for the things they make? They're not a fucking charity. They don't work for headpats, shoulder pats, hugs or handshakes. They don't work for likes on Facebook, retweets on Twitter or upvotes on Reddit. So if we want ONLY CHAMPION cosmetics, why is then the community buttmad about: --- What you say - that they can't sell Chromas for RP? This was the argument back when they've gotten around to actually making Chromas better than just two-tone recolors. What you say - that they can't sell Prestige Skins? It's a standalone, blinged out version of the 1350 RP skin that comes on the same day, even if it's a recolor to white and gold with sparkly particles. What you say - that Riot shouldn't have Hextech skins for 10 gems because they're too hard to get and RARE? What you say - that Riot can't make more skins for the champions that are clearly popular so they can have many skins while some less known champions only skate by with only one or barely two since they released?
> [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-08-25T21:29:22.943+0000) > > I'm sick and tired of this constant BS about "overmonetization" because you get a purchase in the game that you're clearly not forced to eat in its entirety and yet, you think shouldn't exist because it doesn't jive well with you. > > So before we get any further into this discussion, why do you have such a firm belief that Riot's not allowed to sell anything other than skins in their game? > > This is the exact BS argument i've heard about selling Emotes, Ward skins, Icons and Chromas. "Oh, they should be free and even high Mastery levels should have some sort of a unique, rare, free skin because this rewards me as a player and...". Where do they get to earn money for the things they make? They're not a fucking charity. They don't work for headpats, shoulder pats, hugs or handshakes. They don't work for likes on Facebook, retweets on Twitter or upvotes on Reddit. > > So if we want ONLY CHAMPION cosmetics, why is then the community buttmad about: > --- > What you say - that they can't sell Chromas for RP? > This was the argument back when they've gotten around to actually making Chromas better than just two-tone recolors. > > What you say - that they can't sell Prestige Skins? > It's a standalone, blinged out version of the 1350 RP skin that comes on the same day, even if it's a recolor to white and gold with sparkly particles. > > What you say - that Riot shouldn't have Hextech skins for 10 gems because they're too hard to get and RARE? > > What you say - that Riot can't make more skins for the champions that are clearly popular so they can have many skins while some less known champions only skate by with only one or barely two since they released? When you understand what "predatory business practices" are, then you can come and talk with the adults. Until then, sit there and keep thinking OBVIOUS greedy cash grabs are ok for the health of ANY game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=n1eRkfwN,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-08-24T22:21:22.534+0000) > > Because the feature was free before they updated the client. Then they come back years later trying to sell it. Let's put it this way, I played a decent amount before the new client, and I never even knew the achievements tab was even a thing. That's how irrelevant it was.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=n1eRkfwN,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2019-08-25T06:56:59.933+0000) > > Let's put it this way, I played a decent amount before the new client, and I never even knew the achievements tab was even a thing. That's how irrelevant it was. its still irrelevent, now they';re just trying to sell it to ppl now
: Has it occurred to you that just because YOU don't want it, doesn't mean that there is people who does want it, even if there is (hypothetically) 10k people that don't want it, does not mean that there is 10k people who does want it. "For the price of three eternals, you could get renektoy. Renektoy is probably my favorite 750 rp skin. Like, why would anyone choose this boring trash when you could have Renektoy?" Everything is this sentence is subjective and can not be used as an argument, again, just because you don't find it "fun" does not mean others wont. I personally like stat tracks, but my main issue is that they are so generic, I want to track stuff like, long distance kills on stuff like ezreal ult, the amount of amplified damage done with damage amplifies (like Ahri's charm), amount of gold generated with pyke's R, stuff like that. Damage and kills is just standard stuff and is, rather boring, but having this amount of outrage over a stat track is insane.
> [{quoted}](name=PolarEclipse,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tlwjEJJv,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-08-24T11:46:18.342+0000) > > Has it occurred to you that just because YOU don't want it, doesn't mean that there is people who does want it, even if there is (hypothetically) 10k people that don't want it, does not mean that there is 10k people who does want it. > > "For the price of three eternals, you could get renektoy. Renektoy is probably my favorite 750 rp skin. Like, why would anyone choose this boring trash when you could have Renektoy?" > > Everything is this sentence is subjective and can not be used as an argument, again, just because you don't find it "fun" does not mean others wont. > > I personally like stat tracks, but my main issue is that they are so generic, I want to track stuff like, long distance kills on stuff like ezreal ult, the amount of amplified damage done with damage amplifies (like Ahri's charm), amount of gold generated with pyke's R, stuff like that. > > Damage and kills is just standard stuff and is, rather boring, but having this amount of outrage over a stat track is insane. It isnt over stat tracking, its over the predatory practice of monetizing everything. Peoples hearts are in the right place, they just dont have the capability to express their opinions constructively. You can argue its the same as buying skins but it isn't, skins are unique for the most part and give your champion a sort of new identity. Stats don't and they were free before the client update. This is one of the biggest issues, they are monetizing something that was free years ago hoping people would forget. The added tally marks to the mastery is also a joke, its less effort than the mastery emotes but it costs money to have them, makes no sense. You can also argue, its a business, yes its a business. And a business whose practices start to lean toward greedy cash grabs get a bad reputation and start losing money and customers quickly because it becomes apparent that their focus is no longer on delivering a quality game, but milking a franchise for all that its worth. These new ceo's and business managers are clueless, these predatory practices don't work very well in the gaming world. And when you have a company whose focus is more on delivering quality over quantity, they do very well, because not just gamers but people in general are receptive to that. This is why a lot of these triple A companies are getting trashed now because they have ZERO retention investment. They aren't trying to keep their playerbase, just trying to attract short term increases which does very little for the long term health of a game but a lot for the ceo of individual making those greedy decisions that will jump ship once the company begins to tank. The best way to deal with this, don't make comments, just vote with your wallet. Let the company tank a little b/c its the only way they will get rid of these garbage human beings making these decisions. They need to learn we won't put up with it.
: While I do think that having no way to get champ specifics sucks, let's be honest, at the end of the day a company's job is to make money. While the players and whatnot are important, you can't deny that making money IS their end goal here. So it's a F2p game, and they release a feature which you absolutely don't need to play whatsoever for money, that makes them greedy? How? Again, I'd love it if I could buy all the champ specifics for BE, but I understand that Riot needs cash. Not that I'm going to be the one to give it to em, but I'm not gonna get mad over something that doesn't even matter lol. Call me crazy, but I think the f2p era has made people entitled.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=n1eRkfwN,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-24T03:36:06.121+0000) > > While I do think that having no way to get champ specifics sucks, let's be honest, at the end of the day a company's job is to make money. While the players and whatnot are important, you can't deny that making money IS their end goal here. So it's a F2p game, and they release a feature which you absolutely don't need to play whatsoever for money, that makes them greedy? How? Again, I'd love it if I could buy all the champ specifics for BE, but I understand that Riot needs cash. Not that I'm going to be the one to give it to em, but I'm not gonna get mad over something that doesn't even matter lol. Call me crazy, but I think the f2p era has made people entitled. Because the feature was free before they updated the client. Then they come back years later trying to sell it.
Tailypo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ArtumisPrime,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LgsXAppG,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-08-21T03:31:54.513+0000) > > I'm convinced the balance team has no idea what they're doing any more....or just don't give the changes they decide on any REAL thought. They nerf Irealia by 5ms, nerf Jayce by 4 AD and increase his scaling.....but then they take a shovel to Aatrox's head and remove SIXTY HP at level 1? What the actual fuck? Cant tell if yer serious. OH MY GOD 60 HPS AT LVL 1. HOW EVER WILL HE SURVIVE UNTIL LVL 2?
Um, 60 hp is HUGE. Anyone with even the slightest grasp of this game knows that, try and go into lane as melee without the usual starter item and see how well you do playing aggressively. You HAVE to play passive with low hp, otherwise you're gonna get dunked early.
Slim Şhady (EUNE)
: MasterEUW/Chall EUNE Yasuo on buffing Yasuo
Its riots way of trolling us. To try and hide their blatant incompetence.
: Just go to there link Here ya go ^ https://merch.riotgames.com/en_US/
Or you could just tell me instead of posting a link
: PROJECT 2019 Event Guide
When does the event actually end, you would think this would be one of the first bits of information shown. I'm guessing September 2nd, but there's no definitive answer.
rujitra (NA)
: They did justify it by referencing multiple other games that have similar features in their /dev post. I think the biggest reason there has not been a direct response to the criticism here is for a couple reasons. First of all, none of this is constructive criticism - people here are ignoring perfectly valid opinions/points and just raging *for the most part*. Secondly, the people here are a vocal minority - they are not representative of the community as a whole's opinion on this issue.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2rWf2N6O,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-15T18:22:06.227+0000) > > They did justify it by referencing multiple other games that have similar features in their /dev post. > > I think the biggest reason there has not been a direct response to the criticism here is for a couple reasons. First of all, none of this is constructive criticism - people here are ignoring perfectly valid opinions/points and just raging *for the most part*. Secondly, the people here are a vocal minority - they are not representative of the community as a whole's opinion on this issue. Isn't really much to talk about, its the worst kind of cash grab and its obvious. Little work thats being charged, for something that existed before they introduced the new client. These predatory practices will continue as long as people like you find thats it ok. The reason there is an uproar is because its greedy, plain and simple. These companies think they are too big to fail but the more of these dishonest paywalls they introduce, the quicker people will jump ship.
: I don't care, it's cool so I'm going to buy it. Not my fault that you're frugal.
This isn't about being frugal, its a company monetizing information that is already tracked by them and can easily be implemented. Its greed plain and simple, and people don't want to support greedy content. And btw,I have almost every skin in the game so I'm not broke either, but like I said, I'm not going to support predatory business practices like these, and no one should either.
Durzaka (NA)
: As a jungler, my issue with Pyke is he is too god damn safe. Any gank bot lane results in him just Eing away, and if he is also next to his ADC at the time, thats it. End of the gank right there, because you cant chase through that or you will eat a shit ton of damage. I will never NOT ban Pyke. I don't ever want to play against him again.
Don't be bad then, pyke over extends a lot and why are you going for him to begin with, kill his adc.
Targon (NA)
: Apart from Pyke having so much in his kit - his base stats are also quite absurd too. I get that there's a bit of a penalty if Pyke builds tank items (in particular HP items) because a viable Tank Pyke would be even more of a nightmare to deal with, however, he is innately one of the tankiest supports early, and is by far the tankiest assassin in the game with his high base HP, HP per level, armor, and armor per level too, which rivals that of actual tank supports like Leona, Taric, Alistar, and Braum. IMO he should be squishier with how insane his mobility, damage, and pressure is.
False, spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about or actually you know, plays the champ. He's a feast or famine type champ that has to go all in to even make a play. If he misses you with his stun, hes pretty much dead, if you get got with his hook, you're probably dead. People are complaining about him b/c hes popular. But there is still blitz, there is still lux, morg,veigar, pretty much any champ at supp that can lock you down for what seems forever, but you focus on Pyke b/c he can actually killl you early to late game, while most of those champs can one shot you late game. Pyke can't one shot you unless he is extremely fed. And even then, he has to hit everything. tldr: newbs will be newbs, stop complaining b/c you get rekt
: Pyke has officially taken Yasuos place as my most hated champion.
Sounds like another newb complaining about something they don't know. Play him a few times then come back and say hes still broken. The only thing that needs to be fixed is the amount of gold he gets from his ult now, thats it. He is extremely weak compared to other supps. The only reason low elo qqs about it is because he takes advantages of mistakes, and low elo makes a TON. If he gets ahead, just like ANY champ, he will stomp you, hard.
: Galio has the lowest pickrate in the game and for some reason jax and lux deserves buffs before him?
Probably because he doesn't need buffs? Pick rate/win rate doesn't dictate whether a champ gets buffed or nerfed, otherwise there would be nerfs/buffs of ALL popular champions every patch cycle. Tweaks need to happen thats for sure, but Galio is pretty damn strong. People just don't pick him b/c this current meta favors a lot of other champs.
Rioter Comments
: The Reason Tanks Aren't Played Often
It's actually very simple. tanks can't carry a game, they can put a lane or lanes ahead, but if they throw, a tank can be 20-0 and will still lose b/c they just can't carry.
Grokmir (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bjZI8g6g,comment-id=000100030000,timestamp=2019-08-03T18:31:47.341+0000) > > The reason for the fast ques is to get the role thats needed to "fill" a team. Specifically choosing would be the same as picking two roles, its wasted time putting in a check when you're just gonna pick between 3-4, its asinine. Just dont pick fill or pick the roles you REALLY want. Explain how picking 2-5 is the same as picking just 2. Please. And what if you want more than just 2 roles? Then you're just fucked i guess? You do realize that people being forced to pick only two roles actually INCREASES queue times? Because that means there's less options for filling in teams. Since people who might actually be willing to fill SOME of the other roles are unable to because there's a risk that they might get a role they DON'T want. Do you want to argue that doing checks for each role takes more time? Like what, an extra half second? Really? There's no valid arguement against checkbox roles.
> [{quoted}](name=Grokmir,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bjZI8g6g,comment-id=0001000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T20:55:48.530+0000) > > Explain how picking 2-5 is the same as picking just 2. Please. > > And what if you want more than just 2 roles? Then you're just fucked i guess? > > You do realize that people being forced to pick only two roles actually INCREASES queue times? Because that means there's less options for filling in teams. Since people who might actually be willing to fill SOME of the other roles are unable to because there's a risk that they might get a role they DON'T want. > > Do you want to argue that doing checks for each role takes more time? Like what, an extra half second? Really? > > There's no valid arguement against checkbox roles. More time and resources to create the programming for it, not the physical part of choosing it. This statement right here is the reason you don't make those choices. You don't think from a business or managerial viewpoint, just your limited capacity. The current iteration is fine. If you can't play all roles, don't pick fill. Practice in normals until you are comfortable with the one role you aren't good at. Otherwise pick the two roles you want to play. At any given play time, most likely there are two roles you want to play most that day. You're lying to yourself and everyone else if you don't think thats the case. Some days you don't care and you will play anything, win or lose you just want to play. If you don't want to "fill" then don't. There are five roles, you want to play 4 but not one. Pick two that you want to play the most and sacrifice the other two and maybe pick them next game. You don't really have a valid argument, you want to play specific roles, but its already there.
Rioter Comments
: Can we nerf Pyke already?
Sounds like the same newbs complaining about akali. The only thing that needs to be nerfed is the amount of gold hes getting. That needs to be reverted to what it used to be, because atm its INSANE. I can get full build in less than 20min if I have a good game, its just stupid. Everything else is fine.
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