: calm down this is your third janna hate thread in a row
Actually all this post is doing is bringing up stats from multiple champions and left open to interpretation. I made no arguments in this post and left it open to discussion from both sides. There is nothing to hate on in this post, but haters will always find a way. And then there is my name that everyone attributes to ranting.
: It's funny how the boards look at the ADCs in isolation
A downvote with no comment on a discussion talking about supports? Why am I not surprised...
Rioter Comments
: Double edge sword for Morde. Gives him extra stick, but also gives the enemy team a constant slow on him.
Zakrani (NA)
: I see alot of people whinning about how the way you typed out this post, or the name, rather than having a discussion of the actual topic at hand.
Well that's because they have to find something they disagree with.
: I think Spellslinger's surge is going to be better on the Metal man but I feel he might go for that one in Duo lanes where he has his support to provide some good sticking power.
Respectfully disagree. SRS change to SSS will be a nerf to Morde. Although this new rune in its current state will make gunblade 100% mandatory. Auto attack, then slow with gunblade for 40% for 2 seconds but boosted to 70% while in the area. Also with an 8s cd rather than the 15s from SSS.
Rioter Comments
: How does one see upvotes/downvotes?
Right click on the link and click "inspect" http://i.imgur.com/kxxrvHI.png Click on drop down arrow left of "voting small" http://i.imgur.com/73IovRz.png Upvotes and downvotes http://i.imgur.com/LbFo7LB.png
Skorch (NA)
: The worst feeling on the boards
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Ratbert (NA)
: Straight from OP >Literally every post I bring up about supports it is a massive downvote fest **when I bring statistics into it. ** The guy you responded you disagrees and says it's cause he's a prick. How is that not an argument? He's stating numbers, not what's going on. He hasn't done anything with those numbers besides say "because boards set a precedent, janna is op" which is meaningless. People also downvote pricks. Can't just say it's irrelevant and ignore that. OP also doesn't care that people disagree with him, but more that he's being suppressed via voting which is probably happening more because of his tone than his content. There are still at least two unanswered arguments at this time which say that it's not janna but censer and how winrates do not directly translate into balance problems. Yeah I noticed how OP ignored them. If I am missing the point, please tell me plainly because this is how I interpreted OP's statements.
You and many others are so focused on the idea that I'm upvote farming that you aren't looking at the whole picture. Here is a copy. I don't give a shit about upvotes in the literal number. I don't care about fame or popularity. What comes with upvotes is visibility. If you create a post and provide great evidence, theoretically, it show get visibility via upvotes. Now when this group of people come and downvote the post, therefore suppressing it, not based on a bad argument but because they didn't like the conclusion or purpose of the post.
: If you didn't care about upvotes/downvotes, why would you bother to type that?
I don't give a shit about upvotes in the literal number. I don't care about fame or popularity. What comes with upvotes is visibility. If you create a post and provide great evidence, theoretically, it show get visibility via upvotes. Now when this group of people come and downvote the post, therefore suppressing it, not based on a bad argument but because they didn't like the conclusion or purpose of the post.
: Old news. Gaming forums, be it reddit or whatever other messy garbage that exists are always biased. Even forums with very strict rules to prevent bitching like r/competitivehs still have circlejerks and aren't bias free. WHY? Because it is human to be biased. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to squelch it.
Oh yes I understand everyone has bias in them. To tell you the truth, I am too. It's serious because Riot does take community feedback, and when this group of people get in the way of other people's opinions....... Expect some more shitposts.
: I don't give a shit about your name. I honestly don't remember you at all. You have to be _very_ famous or infamous for me to remember your name. I remember names like Mellodenous or Laughing Fish, because they're mentioned and seen a _lot_. But also because I respect them. LF only posts things like "I know I'll be down voted but..." in a sarcastic way. MD does the same. They've earned my respect and my memory. But even when someone does stupid-ass shit (not naming, here, but we all know a name related to this), I listen to their arguments, _when actually presented as one_. You could be saying that Ahri takes no skill, and, while I strongly disagree with that (as it is blatantly untrue), if you had _put it in a post that wasn't upvote-whoring_ (among following other basic etiquette), I'd have willingly debated with you. If you want to actually debate with me, here's what to do: 1. Make a new post. This one's screwed at this point. Hell, I'll forget your name as soon as I X out of this post, so don't bother worrying about name-recognition bias. 2. Don't put in a clickbait title. 3. Don't upvote-whore or demonize people for down voting. 4. Have an actual argument ready. If you do not have one, your post is pointless. 5. Be willing to listen to rational arguments, even if they disagree with you. I'll debate whether or not Janna and/or Ardent are broken, but if you refuse to actually debate, you're wasting my time. Follow those five easy steps, and see what happens to your post!
For the 20th time, this post is a response that I separated from my other post last night. I thought it deserved a post of its own. All the info in this is referring to the other post. This post is specifically targeting vote suppression by a certain group of people. It sucks for the boards that votes for hand in hand with visibility. Votes aren't a "trophy" to me, they mean nothing in the end. All I care about is if the post gets visibility so people can get into it. So far it has gotten lots of visibility, and yet people can't seem to argue against the post, but only that it is "bad mannered." Last night I made a post about Janna and how she has no counters. I put up a picture showing just that and I also pointed out the top 4 highest win rate supports all rush Ardents. Then the downvote fest began despite thoroughly proving my point in the comments with loads of statistical evidence, yet people call it bullshit and downvote/suppress everything then go out on a limb to personally attack me. Hence, this post with its tone.
: No. You are. You're bitching about being down voted, and you're doing _nothing_ but upvote-whoring. This post is, honestly, exactly as deserving of attention as one that screams "UPVOTE MEEEEE PL0X!!!!11", or one that says "ENTER THIS LINK TO GET FREE RP!!!!!!11!". ***All three are a kind of spam, and all deserve to be sent to the oblivion of the bottom page***. Now. If you had written an actual post, it'd be a different story. But you wasted your post by making it into upvote-whoring. These kinds of posts are what's wrong with the boards. I'll give an actual argument, but only _to an actual post_. If all you're doing is bitching about upvotes/downvotes, you've lost your credibility.
Right, and I suppose you completely ignore everything in the post except this one line "Come on, I already know this is going to be downvoted." That one line, is the reason for "upvote whoring"? Get a grip, re-read what I said 20 times in the edit. I don't give one flying fuck about upvotes, I care more about visibility so people can get to the real point of this post.
: Some people are in between or don't have a stance, but that post got it's point across. Memeing those who meme.
Atleast we agree on something in the end.
: Look at the [first](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/qmEb08pb-fuck-mobility-creep?comment=0000) comment. On a side note, mobility creep is something that will always be around and inherited into the game, a champion being strong can be easily fixed over the course of a few patches so I can see why that gathered 600 up votes as it causes player frustration and isn't going to change. Also I'm not arguing with you I'm just explaining why you are being down voted.
That comment was a smart remark, no arguments were made. You can't tell if that person was either for or against the post.
: Yeah, jump the Janna hate bandwagon. This thread is so constructive, amirite?
Honestly I hate most champions, nothing new with this one. I wasn't referring to this post as constructive, but all the other ones. This post was a frustrated response. Re-read it and you will now notice.
: I don't think you're getting this so let me break this down. If you create a thread with just a picture and few words with no context given about how the champion is broken the first couple of people who come by are going to down vote it _especially if there are no comments beforehand_ because that just makes you seem like you're lazily throwing a thread together in hopes that a picture tells the story. Also on a side note you backing up your points with just stats doesn't work, while stats don't lie they also don't tell the full story. I think you should also watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvUQ8LMVIQA) and read [this](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jLGvQ3Wk-before-you-make-a-post-about-balance) If you feel your threads aren't hitting the mark
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/qmEb08pb-fuck-mobility-creep Explain Oh its locked now, but it had 600 upvotes for having 6 words. I get what you are saying. At the time of the post I found some absurd stats and listed them. Yes I am lazy but I also know what I'm doing and what it will lead to. I was expecting people of both sides to argue and I would jump in. It turned out to be a one sided mess where people dog pile on the post. Which lead to this one and its accumulated tone.
: It doesn't matter what you write in the comments, If you start off a thread with that of course it's going to be down voted because it lacks context and It just looks like you crying. No one would even bother reading the comments because if the thread isn't constructive people are going to automatically assume the same for the comments.
How does pointing out statistical evidence in that post crying? Secondly what else was I supposed to say, spell it out for you? The thread started with saying that Janna has +50% win rate against her hardest counters, essentially meaning she has no effective counters ATM. Then people started to say she is balanced outside of ardents and then the arguments began. We all can agree ardents is busted.
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/W1EupexM-you-know-there-is-a-balance-issue-when-janna-has-50-win-rate-against-her-strong-counters Because this is constructive, right?
That's the conversation starter, read the comments. Also, I've made about a month ago.
: Because you're not writing anything of value all you're doing is writing "Janna has a 57% win rate, here are some stats" Okay.. and? Stats are only one part of the story, why don't you try to make a constructive thread regarding some possible nerfs, tweaks changes you'd like to see towards her kit then you'd probably more than likely get some upvotes. Cho'Gath and Graves were easily complained about because they had more strengths than weaknesses and you could argue that for Janna as well but the issue is Janna has been nerfed so many times (The most nerfed champion) that finding ways to nerf her is hard because Riot literally tried almost everything to tweak her kit. TL;DR Stop making QQ threads and more constructive threads regarding a champion then you'll be more likely to farm up votes.
I talked about this extensively yesterday, and today just pulls some stats from yesterday. If you really want more stats and arguments go to my other post.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WhZwuxyU,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2017-08-22T20:03:02.421+0000) > > Because you're whining about being down voted. You could literately be saying that you're going to give everyone who up votes 10 TB of Ahri porn and I'd still be down voting you because you're saying shit like "I know I'll be down voted but...". That immediately invalidates your point in my eyes. You're begging for up votes, and attempting to demonize anyone that down votes you. It's downright *pathetic* behavior. More like he's tired of being downvoted because of people being biased, despite statistics and raw evidence are present. If I had made several threads with facts and they were simply downvoted because of people picking favorites, that would utterly piss me off too. I honestly don't see why you would shut down an entire argument because of one line, which isn't even offensive or degrading. That's just being touchy man lol.
^ At this point they downvote anything that has my name on it. And they claim I have "pathetic behavior." And so far there still is no opposing argument, but instead they flocked to this idea that I'm farming upvotes and my tone is horrible. I made posts about supports in the past and how some are problematic with a nice tone, then in the comments I get shit on but with no actual argument. So if you are upset with my tone, put yourself in my situation.
: Because you're whining about being down voted. You could literately be saying that you're going to give everyone who up votes 10 TB of Ahri porn and I'd still be down voting you because you're saying shit like "I know I'll be down voted but...". That immediately invalidates your point in my eyes. You're begging for up votes, and attempting to demonize anyone that down votes you. It's downright *pathetic* behavior.
I'm not whining about being downvoted, I accepted it. All I want is an opposing argument but no one seems to scrap something together despite having 30 downvotes. You downvoting for that and not for the argument is part of the problem on these boards.
: I'm down voting you because I don't like your tone. Right on about Janna being busted right now though.
Sorry but I'm pissed off at a certain group right now. I've had a nice tone on this same post before but it got a lot of downvotes and the mains attacked me. No Mr. Nice Guy. Calling them out.
: Correct me if I'm wrong, but moderators don't have the ability to change Board programing. That's on Riot's end. Who's to say the mods haven't already brought this up and gotten shot down?
Then communication with the community is key. Someone had to change general discussion around so we know someone is changing the code around.
: What skill? This game is a roll of the dice these days. Outplay Yasuo mid laning phase only to have him dominate late? Winning 6 towers and 3 dragons only to lose to a Tryndamere that splitpush? Also, just because I like playing Ashe when she's flavor of the month doesn't make me a meta slave. I just happen to have that bad luck (I hated when she became popular, she was my secret OP until they nerfed her back into pre-rework status. Still play her as she's a comfort pick.)
> Also, just because I like playing Ashe when she's flavor of the month doesn't make me a meta slave. Doesn't mean you neccessarily are, but look at the playrates. There is a DIRECT correlation between playrate and winrate on meta champs. That is no secret.
: I did read that post you made, and I agree fully! As much as I'd personally like to ditch downvotes entirely on Gameplay at least, hiding the number of votes for the first few hours a thread is posted could already do a great job of avoiding dogpiling upon threads that upset only a handful of players initially (I also suspect there's a certain amount of vote manipulation going on, where some players downvote new threads purely so that their own can gain more visibility). I also completely agree that people will not change unless they're made to do so, which is why expecting players to rely purely on good faith here in an environment that is easily conducive to abuse has not worked out so well.
One question, if virtually every moderator agrees with this, why hasn't it been implemented? The boards are getting more and more hostile. You've added the ability to lock threads/comments/pin posts. Is it because no one really wants to spend the time to add some code or is it problematic?
: Nobody cares about supports until a Laner goes there. ie Lux, Brand, Annie, Nautilus, Galio, Morgana, Veigar. That being said, stats only show part of a picture. Yes she's oppressive Plat+, but what about elsewhere? Not saying you're wrong, but let's say you nerf her a bit. Suddenly she becomes unplayable to the 95% of people playing the game and the a good chunk of people playing her suddenly can't find success. Hey, she's balance pro play so that's all that matters right? Which is better: balancing for the Majority or the Minority? Would you be happier to get rid of ~800,000 people playing just so the best of the best can have the best possible experience? You can't have it both ways.
> Suddenly she becomes unplayable to the 95% of people playing the game and the a good chunk of people playing her suddenly can't find success Are you saying people actually need to improve their skills instead of hopping on various meta champs to climb? HEATHEN!!
: While I think the tone of the OP definitely lends itself to confrontation and antagonism, I agree that it's all too easy to make a well-reasoned argument on the Boards and still have it get silenced by a few players who use the downvote button purely to express disagreement. On Reddit, which uses the same voting/visibility system, there are a ton of warnings to _not_ use the downvote button just because you dislike something, because once everybody starts using it like that it brings down morale and quality of discussion. Unfortunately, there has been no such initiative to do the same on the Boards, and the very fact that visibility on Gameplay is often decided by how much of its community agrees with your point, rather than how much effort and thought you put into your post, I suspect has discouraged quite a few players. We need to start exerting more self-control when it comes to expressing ourselves here and exerting our voting power, and that means holding off on the downvote button when confronted with a differing opinion
I have this tone because I've made these same posts in the past with a nice tone and those individual are so ruthless in the comments and now I'm fed up. > I agree that it's all too easy to make a well-reasoned argument on the Boards and still have it get silenced by a few players who use the downvote button purely to express disagreement. ^ This would be fixed by hiding the upvotes/downvotes of posts for the first hour, simple as that. In fact I made a whole post dedicated to this that you've probably read by now. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ZaZG7cHR-how-to-fix-the-boards-bandwagon-effect > and that means holding off on the downvote button when confronted with a differing opinion People are hard to change and I know that from personal experience.
: These boards are biased as hell
Oh look, downvotes with no explanation to back up their stance or atleast disprove what they don't like about mine. This is exactly what is wrong with the boards. You can have a constructive argument but it gets fucking hard suppressed by some triggered individuals. Makes me sick.
Sub HeroCro (EUNE)
: quite true zed takes a bit less skill compared to those 4 though
Which is why he is closer to 50% than the rest, assuming all of them were balanced around high elo.
: Mages too. Orianna is still broken af but low elos suck at her so they will argue that she is balanced LUL OH BTW dont try to use logic against these people. I was hit with the argument that statistic dont win you game and opinion > facts in an old thread i made which is hilarious LUL
I played Orianna in urf for the first time and I played decent. But managing that ball around is a pain in the ass. In a normal situation it would be harder and I agree that she is overtuned a little. It's almost like the Azir complex. Also, someone said last night that Janna is balanced around having a high win rate. The fuck??? You can balance a champion around a lower win rate because of the skill cap but you can never balance a champion around a higher win rate, it will never work.
Vigopl (NA)
: But ivern was never nerfed and well they realized he's just not a good champ at all.
He was nerfed every other patch after 7.1 to 7.14. Look at patch history under "History." http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ivern
Eedat (NA)
: "but Janna takes skill!" Uh nope. She's braindead easy and so incredibly forgiving when fucking up. She's also my second highest mastery champ before someone tries pulling the "you don't even play her" card.
Any champion that takes skill will have a lower win rate because of the skill cap and it being watered down by newer players. Look at Ryze/Azir/Zed/Lee/LB.
: Fine, check her kit for yourself. It's not my job to point out Sona facts to you. Compare Sona's lone 40-damage spell to any other spell in the entire support class. Literally every last one is more than 40 damage. Compare their AP scalings while you're at it, cause once again Sona loses to nearly every support. Or keep dribbling hot air and CHOOSE to stay ignorant of info you can find on this very site proving me right. Sona does NOT build damage, she builds ARTIFICIAL damage; Spellblade, Echo. Her own bases and scalings are unusable and thus has to rely on fake ones instead. Sona's kit is unusable. Sona is unplayable. These are mathematical facts and math is the only universal truth, regardless of your disapproval.
Here I am, referring to fucking statistics and you are calling me ignorant. You can't argue with stupid.
Rioter Comments
: So hypocritical. I give you statistics (REAL ones, unlike yours) and you claim I'm opposed to stats. You yourself said it: SONA BUILDS DAMAGE. Why the fuck does she do this? BECAUSE SHE HAS THE LOWEST DAMAGE OUTPUT OF THE ENTIRE SUPPORT CLASS. Sona lacks damage, sustain, CC, durability, mobility or any sort of niche entirely. Sona HAS TO CH33Z with ARTIFICIAL damage passives to make up for her LITERALLY unusable kit. Idk how many times this has to be repeated before it begins to sink in. Sona is the weakest support in League. This is a MATHEMATICAL FACT. She has been every single day since 4.13 was FORCED to LIVE, in spite of UNANIMOUS disapproval by the League community and despite more than 3 years of LOUD demands to revert her.
Who are you to say my sources are fake and then turn around and scream yours are real. She builds damage because she scales well with AP. You keep shouting she has the lowest damage output of any support. Every seen a Soraka/Thresh/Taric/Janna/ virtually every fucking meta support right now? She does more damage than all of them. Then you come around and say "Sona is the weakest support in League. This is a MATHEMATICAL FACT." Shouting doesn't make you any more right or wrong, just obnoxious. Back to the point, mathematically and statistically she is the #2 support(even Diamond+ 54.5% win rate) right now that rushes Ardents because it is broken as hell.
: Sona is the weakest lane-support in League. She has the uncontested lowest damage output of any support, the weakest damage mitigation, no hard pre-6 CC and she's arguably the squishiest character in League. As a matter-of-fact, a LARGE number of her matches are lost within the first 20 minutes of the game, BECAUSE of how useless she is in-lane.
> She has the uncontested lowest damage output of any support. Wrong, I can think of plenty of supports who do less damage. And besides, Sona BUILDS damage. Apparently you and the people who downvote me aren't a fan of statistics. http://i.imgur.com/WsPrWcf.png All of the builds have 60%++++ win rates rushing Ardent, so don't tell me its useless on her.
: Except, Sona can't "abuse" Ardent. Sona has the weakest utility numbers of any support, she receives practically no benefit from Windspeaker-type passives. On top of that, Sona's shield is a melee-range spell. In any practical situation, she's lucky to tag 1 person with it. Realistically, the only person that "benefits" is (random ally X, with lowest HP.) This is reflected in Sona's winrates; under 30% with any item build that doesn't have Spellblade or Echo.
Statistics don't lie, don't know where you are getting this 30% from. Where her healing falls off is in the late game, not during laning. She is oppressive as hell in the lane.
: To be fair though, Sona is the weakest support in League. The fact she has a negative winrate, even against champs she supposedly "counters" isn't surprising at all. I suppose this reply says more about Sona's unplayability than Janna's strength, but I digress.
Sona is actually right up there with Janna. http://i.imgur.com/MIBfMrD.png http://i.imgur.com/WsPrWcf.png There ardent nerfs and coin will bring her back down enough unlike janna. Wow, I'm surprised at how many people look at statistics showing a clear imbalance and shrug it off, yet the same people throw a fucking riot when assassins have a 52% win rate. These boards are retarded as hell and a disgrace to data analysis.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 22
What are you thought's with Spellslinger's Surge? I made a post that the change from SRS to SSS will be a nerf to every mage that uses it.
: > So what you are saying is if I play support then my chances of winning are permanently boosted because of its role? If you're good than sure. That works for any role. > Name one champion that counters janna and has statistics to back it up. Pointless question. This isn't DOTA where every champ has a direct counter. What counters Janna is game knowledge and skill. It's called baiting that 14 sec cooldown tornado and engaging afterwards if you wish. It's called coming from different directions so she can't Q once and knock you all up like she's bowling. Heck, you don't even have to fight her adc, because objectives are the name of the game, so put pressure in other places on the map and take objectives there.
> If you're good than sure. That works for any role. Well according to statistics Janna players win on average for the past 3 years at 53% and 8% playrate. Any other champion would have a lower average besides a select few like Anivia, Ahri. In any case, statistically speaking, if I play Janna with the same skill as any other champion, I would win on average 3% more games, thats just how statistics work. If it wouldn't, she wouldn't be at such a high rate. > Name one champion that counters janna and has statistics to back it up. Every champion has a counter...except for Janna. Orianna is pretty close too as her counters remain in the gutter. If ou look at the statistics, of all the champions that go against Janna, the highest one against her is 49.36% win rate rate. If you look at any other champion, the win rates of their counters are near 55%-61%. Sorry but statistics don't lie.
Rioter Comments
: Look man, what do you want from me? I listed what I use to beat Janna and assumed it would be the same on the site. Heck I can beat Janna on Soraka. But I think you are vastly overestimating Janna's untouchability, also Janna's and most supports inflated winrate is due to enabling their carries to win fights and stuff
So what you are saying is if I play support then my chances of winning are permanently boosted because of its role? "But I think you are vastly overestimating Janna's untouchability." Name one champion that counters janna and has statistics to back it up.
: If you want to be technical, her counters are mage supports like Brand and Veig. It's just thay they wouldn't be listed on that site under the support role due to their status as nonofficial supports.
http://i.imgur.com/YNThrWu.png http://i.imgur.com/Ku32DbM.png You were saying?
: i can't find my thread asking for a janna rework when her win rate was 50% before coin buff, because so many people spammed threads recently https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/pUQWFMFN-janna-had-a-5051-win-rate-before-items-like-ardent-coin-got-overbuffed?show=new managed to find rexsaur doing one because he isn't dumb https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/8cKWM1l8-regarding-janna-winrate "Oh lookie here..." taking mordekaiser general win rate during rework INSTEAD OF ADC MORDE XDDDDD
Oh my fault on that picture, forgot to put bot lane on it, here. http://i.imgur.com/MSg0C6R.png His rework was late late july early august of 2015. Everything to the left is not consisant data. The play rate, if you look above, is about .02%. That is worse than LCS statistics. I can win one game and make it 100% one month, then lose a game bot in the next and it would create 0%. You have no case what so ever that he was viable bot lane before his rework and with many supports. Also, linking to another post of someones opinion is not a source, try linking a graph. Better yet I'll do one for you. Here is her support stats diamond+. http://i.imgur.com/jpDoasp.png Not even close to 50%, sorry but your theory is busted. Take note of the 20%+ playrate and average of 53% win rate like I stated earlier and you called bollucks. Hmmm.... Makes me wonder where you get your info from.
: janna with 0.025% pick rate? xdddd janna didn't have 20% pick rate and 53% win rate she had fcking 10% pick rate and 51.5% win rate in diamond+ just like riven and vladimir, which the elo i only care about what you in low elo have because you're garbage is your problem and back in 2015 morde didn't play with blitz, he played with every fcking support and had 60% win rate+6% pick rate
Another post another lie amirite? http://i.imgur.com/0Y89StQ.png BTW look at my rank. I thought that would be simple enough. Just proves you type whatever comes to mind without doing your research. Oh lookie here... http://i.imgur.com/ObmSudZ.png > and back in 2015 morde didn't play with blitz, he played with every fcking support and had 60% win rate+6% pick rate Yeah, at the time of his rework, he had around 50% win rate bot lane with .025% pick rate. Just another example of you being a keyboard warrior. Stillllllllll waiting on that "just stick to spamming buff morde threads" link, or is this another example of you jumping the gun without knowing what you are talking about.
: > [{quoted}](name=MordeÇaiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W1EupexM,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-22T07:18:22.024+0000) > > Yep, clear ignorance. Still waiting on that link. http://i.imgur.com/1grSKty.png Sure looks like Morde has 60% win rate there. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/mordekaiser/adc/diamond > [{quoted}](name=MordeÇaiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W1EupexM,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-22T07:18:22.024+0000) > >Yet I'm ignorant. And who the fuck says, "isn't balanced around having a high win rate like janna." Balance is to equalize the damn win rate. we had 54% win rate champions for years, i will calmly tell you to not talk anymore so i don't get banned if you have knowledge on win rate you would know that just because a champion has 53% win rate doesn't mean it's broken you're a disgrace to mordekaiser mains
http://i.imgur.com/DMCbOMQ.png I can go on all day. This is Janna's by the way. You are a disgrace to logic and reason. A champion with a 53% win rate and 2% playrate is justified. A champion with 53% win rate and 20% playrate is overpowered in some way. In case you didn't know, win rates are based on the games played. If a champion has 53% win rate and 20% playrate, that means it has become meta and fucks with everything else in the game and therefore needs a nerf. Oh forgot to mention, his winrate is that high because everyone diamond 2+ always duos with a blitz support and only a blitz support. Janna is a lone wolf and those stats are purely because of her, not her ADC. Keep pushing your narrative though as you hand-pick the most "shocking" gotcha picture without laying any sort of context. http://i.imgur.com/IF1xp20.png Oh look, heres Janna with an average of 53% win rate(globally/all roles/all ranks) over the course of her existance, with an average of 8% playrate. Totally fair right because she is "balanced" to winning 4% more than the average champion. Yep balance at its best. According to you its justified solely because she is a support. Also, still waiting on that link to a "spamming buff morde threads."
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