: I was with you until you mentioned Galio, Sion, and Aatrox. They had larger problems in that their kits couldn't be preserved as they were (ESPECIALLY SION), and their VGUs greatly improved them.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qAGAOAHv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-13T15:31:47.465+0000) > > I was with you until you mentioned Galio, Sion, and Aatrox. They had larger problems in that their kits couldn't be preserved as they were (ESPECIALLY SION), and their VGUs greatly improved them. Name what you think was so bad about old sions kit. His ult was insanely intresting because of the fact that he was so kiteable. Would you rather A: sit next to your carry since your ult heals your carry for half. B: hit the backline if youre next to them because of stun. Or C: hit the creeps to soak up more damage. Old sions ult made each autoattack feel impactful. There is not a single fucking champion in this game that makes a single auto impactful.
: If Teemo was a 2018 CertainlyT Champ
Move Quick: Becomes a dash. If teemo dashes through a shroom, he can activate this again to jump off it in any other direction. After the dash, each basic attack gives +10% infinitely stacking movespeed for Move Quick's duration If they removed teemos blind and instead made him deal more damage like an assassin this would be fucking dope. Actually being the champ he was made to be and running around the jungle trying to assassinate you if you step on a shroom sounds amazing.
: As a bruiser main, i find conquerer to be overkill
{{champion:420}} her w does % health true damage. Its the one you spam all game to do things.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mos Deadly98,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qBeH1KqH,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-07-13T09:58:20.292+0000) > > Its simple. **The changes were adding to the game rather than replacing the game. ** > > When nidalee was reworked because she was a spear bot everybody loved it. While landing spears was still good no longer was landing spears was the only thing you had to do. There is not a single point of the kit that was removed and she simply had her kit mended. I don't think anyone liked Old Nidalee, I can't remember a single post saying "Yeah, fighting against this champion." > For some reason everybody loved the sion rework but im going to use him as an example of a bad rework since he was the earliest example of the type of rework (karma kept some of her kit). Because it was a good rework. >Name 2 parts of his old kit he kept. Q, point and click stun, scaled with AP W, shield that exploded after a set amount of time or one minute. E, togggleable damage increase that increased his AD but every AA cost him life. Each kill stacked onto his HP. R, massive amount of lifesteal for a short duration that also leeched to his allies in a obscenely small area around him. >His w sheild (that didnt even keep the point of the old sheild) and the E passive on the sheild. His ult gave him 100% lifesteal his e gave him massive amounts of ad his q was a stun and his passive reduced autoattack damage. This was not an addition this was a replacement. This kit also didn't work, it literally didn't work together, he was only "viable" as an AP champion as a gimmick for a while, AD Sion was never a thing, his E and R were literally useless. > Now comes around aatrox. Nobody played him until he became useful enough that people were allowed. Basically people wanted to but couldnt. Because of being meta it brought around the meta humpers as well meaning 3 differnt groups were playing it: the meta humpers, the aatrox mains, and the deep pooled toplaners. So in other words its the exact same thing as sion rework but unlike sion rework you had an actual player base to anger. The size of the Aatrox player base was around the size of the old Sion base, all 7 of them. No one played old Aatrox, at all, there were like 5 people who did. > Now lets say you want to play the good old game you remember. Too bad! You cant. Unlike a normal game that you buy for 5-60$ you cant simply go back to it 6 years later and play it again. So when riot changed their mindset from trying to keep the elements of the game relatively the same in lue of sion reworks across the board its easy to see why players got pissed. > > {{champion:14}} > {{champion:266}} > {{champion:6}} > {{champion:44}} > But let me remind you. You guys were the one that liked the sion rework. You guys were the ones that supported the client change. You guys wanted runes to be free. There is not a single thing in the game that you guys didnt ask for. You guys let riot attack minority playerbases until you realized the minorities have left and you became the minority. Want to all of these reworks, only one champion hasn't seen an exponential increases in play rate and win rate.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qBeH1KqH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-13T10:13:14.858+0000) > > I don't think anyone liked Old Nidalee, I can't remember a single post saying "Yeah, fighting against this champion." > People didnt like it but liked the actual rework because it was op. > Because it was a good rework. No because it wasnt op. > > Q, point and click stun, scaled with AP > W, shield that exploded after a set amount of time or one minute. > E, togggleable damage increase that increased his AD but every AA cost him life. Each kill stacked onto his HP. > R, massive amount of lifesteal for a short duration that also leeched to his allies in a obscenely small area around him. > Did you read this right? i said name 2 parts he KEPT. > This kit also didn't work, it literally didn't work together, he was only "viable" as an AP champion as a gimmick for a while, AD Sion was never a thing, his E and R were literally useless. > Sion players could literally carry games. His problem was that he was ugly and didnt have enough tools to be as fun as other champions in a game where fun was all that mattered. If sion was in the game today he would be popular because nobody cares about fun anymore. > The size of the Aatrox player base was around the size of the old Sion base, all 7 of them. No one played old Aatrox, at all, there were like 5 people who did. > Aatrox was the most popular top laner in the game before he was reworked bar fucking none. > Want to all of these reworks, only one champion hasn't seen an exponential increases in play rate and win rate. Aatrox recieved a drop. Taric is about the same (he was more popular than you think) Urgot got hightened you are correct. Sion is actually less played than he was originally. Meanwhile he has support and top laners playing him he is still 130th least played. he used to hover around 120-127
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Revoke (NA)
: Good. That would dampen people botting to sell alts.
> [{quoted}](name=Revoke,realm=NA,application-id=cBWEdEZ4,discussion-id=aAVJiLXh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-09T23:51:22.537+0000) > > Good. That would dampen people botting to sell alts. ... create alt emails...
: > [{quoted}](name=Mos Deadly98,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eA0BNqff,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-13T06:25:34.138+0000) > > well if you create the game from the ground up in europe or china you get a free pass if you dont make money. I'm not so sure about that. Nostalrius, a Private WoW server, got shut down despite them not making any money.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eA0BNqff,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-13T06:34:56.500+0000) > > I'm not so sure about that. > > Nostalrius, a Private WoW server, got shut down despite them not making any money. Warmane had been up for 3 years because they compltely remade the game.
: No. Condoning illegal activity is, well, illegal.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eA0BNqff,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-12T19:00:16.104+0000) > > No. > > Condoning illegal activity is, well, illegal. well if you create the game from the ground up in europe or china you get a free pass if you dont make money.
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Sasogwa (EUW)
: {{item:3157}} {{item:3026}} make Yi's lose their mind.
> [{quoted}](name=Sasogwa,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I8YnNeeW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-19T17:21:34.481+0000) > > {{item:3157}} {{item:3026}} make Yi's lose their mind. Fuck you dont give them any ideas.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Mos Deadly98,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2018-05-26T02:26:46.695+0000) > > Mobile legends is OWNED my tencents. Its not a ripoff because you cant ripoff your own game Im pretty sure thats not how it works as long as riot ownes league tencents only owns a portion of league. At least thats how it works incthe car industry.
> [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=0001000000020002,timestamp=2018-05-26T12:51:53.899+0000) > > Im pretty sure thats not how it works as long as riot ownes league tencents only owns a portion of league. At least thats how it works incthe car industry. Its not how it works in the video game industry. Basically disney is tencents but with a better branding deal. Meanwhile disney doesnt do alot they own alot and all the companies get money from them to make movies. League works the same way with tencent being the parent company.
: I did think about that actually. But even 10% of the player base would be a pain in the ass. And how is the 'bot' supposed to differentiate a custom you played with some buddies from a custom played for Clash? Plus programming a bot to check all these games just seems like time wasted that they could be using to fix the bug plaguing actual Clash. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It was a decent idea, just poorly thought out.
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4X2jvP4X,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-26T02:37:25.290+0000) > > I did think about that actually. But even 10% of the player base would be a pain in the ass. > And how is the 'bot' supposed to differentiate a custom you played with some buddies from a custom played for Clash? > Plus programming a bot to check all these games just seems like time wasted that they could be using to fix the bug plaguing actual Clash. > > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > It was a decent idea, just poorly thought out. Well i asked my freind whom works on the cracked version of league of legends used in native american tournaments. He said what you need to do is create a bot that requires conditions to be met. First all of the condition needs to be a 5+ minute game. For remakes. Then you check if all 10 players are in the game. Then check to see which nexus was destroyed. This can actually be made in an hour because all they need to check with this standard is the last image of a game. Which ironically we made thinking we could convince riot that the native americans can handle the clash but they really dont trust anyone.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mos Deadly98,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2018-05-26T02:26:46.695+0000) > > Mobile legends is OWNED my tencents. Its not a ripoff because you cant ripoff your own game What do you mean by that exactly? I think if anything, mobile legends still copied the concept of League of Legends. I just think it's less severe because the characters don't look exactly like the characters in LoL.
> [{quoted}](name=Zho Yi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2018-05-26T03:15:46.707+0000) > > What do you mean by that exactly? I think if anything, mobile legends still copied the concept of League of Legends. I just think it's less severe because the characters don't look exactly like the characters in LoL. That means they reimagined it. A ripoff is when you rip something from the original source without the creators consent. Re imagining is where the creator reimagines his own work (this works here because the "creator" can be considered tencent). What im saying is it cant be ripped off even know its copied.
: This sounds like a cool solution, but I feel it'd be a nightmare of it's own to manage with so many players >You can simply check match history for the players wins. It would take WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long doing it this way. To have the match history of thousands upon thousands of players manually checked.
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4X2jvP4X,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-26T02:28:24.910+0000) > > This sounds like a cool solution, but I feel it'd be a nightmare of it's own to manage with so many players > > It would take WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long doing it this way. To have the match history of thousands upon thousands of players manually checked. Theres a train of thought here but you didnt think it through. Since each match has 10 players you would only have to check 10% of the players on matches. Since you just have to check :if win, move on. or :if lose, remove. on a bot its basically the easiest thing on the planet.
: > [{quoted}](name=Snapp2Kill,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-26T01:12:32.252+0000) > > is this... legal? In america no but since not all of them are made in america they dont all have to follow american laws. Look up mobile legends its a direct rip off. The op post aint anything compared to that.
> [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-26T01:27:31.047+0000) > > In america no but since not all of them are made in america they dont all have to follow american laws. Look up mobile legends its a direct rip off. The op post aint anything compared to that. Mobile legends is OWNED my tencents. Its not a ripoff because you cant ripoff your own game
: But where's the incentive of selling tickets? Do you want Riot to go bankrupt? Jeez.
> [{quoted}](name=Ayanami3rd,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4X2jvP4X,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-26T02:15:27.843+0000) > > But where's the incentive of selling tickets? Do you want Riot to go bankrupt? Jeez. Most of the teams are already setup with the tickets in hand. I would just use the system of setting up teams then make the redneck clash. Literally no reason not to keep clash going.
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Desypher (NA)
: LF Jg/Top for Clash
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: CLASH! ( RECRUITING )
Sure i added you. I also got a gold adc with me.
: The feast or famine meta of farm duelists will be in full swing within the next few weeks. Non-junglers don't even comprehend the importance of scuttle now. Losing scuttle basically guarantees an entire level advantage up on the other jungler. Other crabs become harder to contest after that and it only exacerbates the deficit. This is going to be the most fucked up meta where mids and tops are running smite and the laners are now having to gank for their junglers. It's mind-blowingly stupid.
no we understand it. Why do you think smite is going mid?
: Need CSing tips please? :(
Depends on the champ. If youre playing something immobile without waveclear your fucked. If you have waveclear fight for the teamfight cs. If you have mobility just roam to sidelanes when they start pushing hard.
: Would probably help to indicate what tier you expect to play in.
alright i hope that helps.
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RpX (NA)
: Looking For A Clash Team (ADC MAIN)
im looking to set up a clash team so lets see how this works out.
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Bunnylift (EUW)
: He's the definition of a champion that will be a pain in the ass to play against 1) builds HP so he's not even squishy, but from his kit I doubt he's gonna be anything but an assassin 2) is invisible 3) has a thresh hook like thing 4) has a stun 5) has an execute on an ult that is easy to misread and get fucked by i'm just sighing at this announced champion honestly, it looks horrible to play with or against. So naturally people will whine. And naturally he will be nerfed so people get to not permaban him and actually learn how he works and then they can look at buffs again.
ok let me clear something up from reading his kit. He turns any health he gains into ad. He doesnt actually gain any health. fair point its easier to land because its bigger. yes its even harder for the player using the champ to utilise the ult. How often would a small X be useful?
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: This is a fantastic idea. Have an upvote.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8eLgPEAW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-30T22:27:20.580+0000) > > This is a fantastic idea. Have an upvote. its really not. The bee species is only going endangered in america. Where it was already an invasive species. If honebees die we will gain more bumblebees that are being pushed to extinction by the invasive species the honeybee.
Ąkąli (NA)
: When has Riot actually ever asked that? Cause I see a lot of PLAYERS who are depressed about League say that, but I've never seen Riot ask something like that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never heard of sucha thing.
I'm not going through the effort of finding it but riot has asked before on the boards why long time players leave.
: Riot constantly asks why long time players quit playing league.
Just a few more things thta didnt fit. Riot will literally never implement an easy fix to the game even know it would make the game a thousand times better because of bullshit reasons. Voice chat still isnt implemented. If i wanted to talk to my party i would use discord not your shitty chat. Toxicity isnt a problem, the anti toxicity community is. If you are actually having a problem with a bit of shit talk in all chat (because i got my main banned for it) then the game is truely an SJW marvel. Finally we dont give a flying fuck about the .25 incrased cooldown on memelord zoe. Why cant each champion be as strong and impactful as zoe. Trying to melt a group of 5 into a group is boring as shit and makes the game intuitive.
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: Vayne is unhealthy
I'm pretty sure this is a troll post. If you were actually complaining about vyane you would say She is a marksman that can kill tanks regaurdless of what they build with sealth that allows her to 1v1 anyone in the game and is an assassin with her q.
: 'literally made of wet noodles' You mean figuratively Figuratively made of wet noodles
no no. he means literally wet noodles.
Potchikir (EUW)
: bad pun
Why downvote? "The quality of a pun is on how much it makes people cringe"-phreak.
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GripaAviara (EUNE)
: It's not like in the current state of the game you can die less vs a fed team. The damage is off the charts
and tis be why you cant climb. Rather then trying to figure out how you can die less you make excuses.
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: Fk you riot with your fking forced algorithm
You die too much. Your cs is on par and about as good as it needs to be. Your picks are offmeta so you arent getting countered that hard most likely. You probably end up hard carrying your teamates and as such every time you die you lose alot of pressure on the game.
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