: Since season 2 and still gold thats insane
yea cuz i dont care to play rank . i quit playing rank in season 5. it means nothing. and if the garen i faced was plat 1 then he is "clearly better 'then me "on a broken champ" and i won lane and game. so all of your insults are for what?
: Oh boy, cant wait for certain AP abuse situations to happen. Can they finally just make adaptive the same for both AD and AP. Like seriously, is it necessary?
idk , i was asking, i been told it was and then told it wasnt it would make sense either way. my whole issue with conqueror is that it gives too much, stacking damage, true damage and heal its like FFS pick 2 of the 3
: This thread really is so pathetic, we have people who havent hit level 30 playing normal games and determining that garen isnt broken. And if the play ranked then theyre below GOLD, its season 9 and you havent hit gold stop posting and maybe i dont know post this on reddit where i cant instantly find your ranks
i have played since s2 . been as high as gold in season 5 i have 4 accounts , i have 1000s of games played
: You arent even level 30 You are playing a normal game Stop posting like you know anything about the game
right cuz i cant have more the 1 account
Wolfis4 (OCE)
: Basically there needs to be some other metric for people that don't play LOL. perhaps instead of honor just hours played.
but honor has to do with interaction with the other players and how you deal with your teammates TFT is a different game entirely i dont see how you expect to gain honor from not being able to interact with another player
: Just me or does this read: "Play Vayne Top"
didnt need conqueror to play vayne top
: > [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNf1lydI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-22T23:40:19.738+0000) > > hmm "marksmen" with forms of disengage > > {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:67}} A ms steroid is not considered an engage tool So a slow is not a disengage tool.
that what is disengage cuz i was told maokai dont have disengage and i never said anything by MS ashe has 2 slows , vision , and ult cait has E darius has stand aside Ez has his acrane shift to get out of shit graves can smoke screen so you cant engage and cc him jayce can knock back jinx has chompers which is maybe the worst lucian can use Dash and ult to disengage quinn well she can blind and then do that fukin kick off sivir can use her ult to disengage or engage trist can use W or ULT twitch can hide varus has ult and aoe slow vayne has condeem and ult where am i missing disengage?
: So, the boards ain't letting me upvote or downvote for some reason.
does voting really mean anything other then an extension of toxicity from the game to the boards
ApexRiven (EUW)
: As darius Main, I cant play this game anymore
so you think they are going to let you play into melee/tanks all the time when all you play is darius?
: Not to mention Ashe can see threats coming before they get to her with Hawkshot.
people are making thread after thread about ashe's win rate and how broken she is, i argue she is broken despite her damage. cuz she ranks 20th out of 26 bot laners in average damage per game. then i come here and say ashe has plenty of disengage and im told im wrong. so if ashe isnt strong cuz of damage and strong cuz of her slow and ult but she dont have disengage , her slow and ult dont count? i dont fukin get people
Keiaga (NA)
: lmao. a slow counts as a noteworthy disengage? being forced to use your ult to disengage isn't a choice you want to choose if you can avoid it. Chompers are hard and unreliable to help jinx escape. And just looking at your list, Draven's disengage is pretty weak. So is Grave's, lucians, sivir's, and varus'.
maokai uses slows to disengage his ult can be use to disengage a champ cant have everything aval to them at all times in all situations. if you use ult on ashe to keep from dying then its a good ult
Wolfis4 (OCE)
: Yeah but as I understand it, it takes quite some time to get to lvl 3 and forever if you don't play LOL. Also, I read that PBE access isn't instantly granted, I read some posts of people that had been waiting for 2 years :S
what is honorable in TFT? there is little to no interaction between players, no teammates
Keiaga (NA)
: Ashe and Jinx are completely immobile as far as "disengage" goes and they're both actually in the top 5 most played marksmen up to plat.
ashe can use W and ULT to disengage if need be jinx is a bit tougher only having chompers
: Marksmen really deserve more disengage, even if it's at the cost of their damage.
hmm "marksmen" with forms of disengage {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:67}}
: Buff Kayle early game
ok want kayle buffed early, well nerf her mid and late game cant have all
: Maybe let Conqueror stay adaptive
5050BS (NA)
: Oh is it only AD?
Wolfis4 (OCE)
: Gaining honor in TFT *POLL*
as long as you havent been punished you start at lvl 2
Håppy (NA)
: Ten years is likely where I draw my line.
yea cant have any one split push but the best 1 vs 1 champs in the game
Oyanum (EUW)
: Returning player's question about runes.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/9.20/platinum/plus/grid/
Kolgrim (EUNE)
: Is Twisted Fate too similar to Jayce? / Champion pool help.
Slykeren (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RRwifvB5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-12T21:43:14.672+0000) > > question for you... > > how long have you played this game? was it before auto filled became a term/thing? or since ? i played before autofill was a thing. and i actually didn't mind teambuilder waits.
no before teambuilder we have pick order last pick/picks on each team was forced into filling whatever roles were left so being forced to fill a role isnt new , whats new is role selection
CurS1VE (NA)
: honestly i think it's her CC after reading some folks talking about the buffs and looking at things, her lv 1 is actually really strong with a wide W snare on a short CD. I talked about it in a reply but when you look at that in combination with how strong hook supports are it means that she can setup kills really easily early and snowball..she may not be the one getting the kills all the time tho and I think her stats that you are showing actually prove that true considering her low rating in kills but a very high rating in assists. So her lanes (when you also look at that graph for game win rate by length) she has a Ridiculous almost 60% winrate pre-25min, so even though her kit may not be loaded with damage like a draven or something, her CC is so strong early and doesn't really require any sort of setup to pull off and it's just 1 button and also her main Harass/Poke already. Trading with Ashe early is essentially a death sentence for many ppl against her if she has someone who can followup. The longer the game goes though you can see her rapid decline in WR, it just TANKS once it reaches 29+ so that also shows that her item spikes past 2 items isn't nearly as strong as other Marksmen but she never gets TOO low though so her utility is always worth something which is what a few other ppl have said in this thread. IDK if ppl ever considered her to be a lane bully tbh but her stats say she is, she is just too polite and gives the final blows over to other ppl. Now the question isn't so much about her DMG but is her Utility too punishing without any Counter play? I guess that's the thing that I am seeing the more of the graphs i look at. Her early game is WAY better than ppl expect and her kill pressure and setup is way easier and stronger than basically any other AD. Also i'm not sure what her base Atk Spd is but I just played her for first time and I must say she seems like she attacks quite a bit faster than Xayah at lv 1, so just by landing a single W can setup a kill level 1 and her walk down and kite is extremely easy to use as well. But like you said, her dmg isn't too great but is her utility TOO strong? That's the question that is really becoming more of the thing to look at
but all in all her utility /cc didnt really get overly buffed. her ult has never really changed and its legit 1 sum spell counters her ult. {{summoner:1}} but ashe is strong cuz she allows other champs to hard carry. in a heavy damage meta were tanks are shit there is alot less reliable hard CC engage/disengage in team comps now. ashe provides that from the "BOT" role and with jungle, top, mid all going heavy damage champs/carries it makes it easier for them to secure kills. its kinda like morgana, every one cries over her, she dont have great damage but she legit nullifies most hard engage supports/pick supports , its not her Q that makes her strong (even as good as it is) its the fact that she can stop kills/engages with E and R and Q . play morg as a defensive support and let her "catch " the engage and then have her go in with R its night and day , also she is solid vs mage supports cuz of E , and since the boards would have you believe mages are BROKEN she is a good counter to a heavy mage comp as well. but back in the day i just played galio support vs that.
CurS1VE (NA)
: i guess the thing that i was asking is when you say she ranks 20 of 26 out of dmg dealt in avg game, there is a lot of context that isn't being including. Can you link where you are getting this so i can just get a better frame of mind on what your describing because atm saying dmg dealt is 20 of 26 doesn't actually tell me anything because games vary, dmg varies based on items and items vary based on time. Even if you were to say 20 of 26 that seems like something that is patchwerk if you are into MMO's it's the only thing i have for context when someone says this champ ranks X amongst their role and generally speaking those theory crafts were sims of things that were theoretic best in slot max items and just standing still and hitting a test dummy. as for that last lil spot about trying to win the boards or whatever cheap shot that was, I didn't down vote you and if you look at my response i was actually and still am genuinely interested in what it is you are saying. many of my posts / threads have actually been removed by mods and in general i am never really great at people pleasing. it was just weird to me because honestly nobody is really saying anything about her, no posts really, no youtube vids, no pros talking about how busted the champ was/is and why her WR is so high; so when I saw that % i was like wow that's crazy I had no idea she was doing so well, considering Garen is like the dood dominating negative forum posts and even some other champs that are just lightning rods, seeing a Champ like Ashe go really unnoticed by ppl was really eye opening and it got me wondering and that's why i made my post. I didn't try and win anyone and i just wanted the context behind the stat you are using that's really it, i don't know you so why in the world would i bother trying to argue with you? I am a curious person about a lot of things by nature so when i ask a direct question there wasn't any sort of hidden meaning and i know directness can sometimes be lost in the internet as some sort of negativity but i just don't see how phrasing things in a super p.c. way is productive and honestly it's not really a skill I have. So you can ignore the haters, honestly you don't need to respond to them. I am asking you with absolutely no negativity or hidden motive. I just want to better understand how Ashe can be so powerful so quickly with just what seemed to me as minor buffs.
Physical Damage: 15,787 11 / 25 Magic Damage: 1,894 14 / 25 True Damage: 347.17 18 / 25 Total Damage: 18,029 20 / 25 Damage Taken: 16,634 21 / 25 Healing: 2,617 15 / 25 Kills: 5.95 20 / 25 Deaths: 5.65 16 / 25 Assists: 9.18 2 / 25 https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/9.20/platinum/plus/champion/Ashe/ADC/ its for bot role, this patch all days, plat + elo world wide and if you look at this ranks she is also one of the worst in terms of avg kills per game. but rank as one of the best in asst. so where does she need to be addressed? cuz its not kills/damage
: can garen's e crit
ACTIVE: Garen rapidly Channeling spins his sword around his body 7 − ∞ (based on bonus attack speed) times over 3 seconds, dealing physical damage with each spin to nearby enemies. Judgment can critically strike for (50% + Infinity Edge item 25%) bonus physical damage.
notkai (NA)
: I would go through that list and remove anything that can be purchased from the store. Then, sort based on the value of the skin- balancing the essence/RP cost and how much you like the skin. Then, decide which skin will get the most use- which of those champs do you play the most? That's how I would go about making that decision!
> [{quoted}](name=notkai,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rE7YE3bh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T23:58:18.211+0000) > > I would go through that list and remove anything that can be purchased from the store. Then, sort based on the value of the skin- balancing the essence/RP cost and how much you like the skin. Then, decide which skin will get the most use- which of those champs do you play the most? That's how I would go about making that decision! oh i dont skins with RP LOL i do play alot of sona and its considered to be "one of the best "skins but what about the other skins how many of them are worth? i have all champs
: Just lost a game because my team surrendered thx spaghetti code
Rioter Comments
DJisKxng (NA)
: Wukongs gank pre-6 is literally him Wing from the brush and pressing e on you and autoing you. There is not a second of CC in that gank and the enemy can just literally walk away from a Wu gank. I dont want him to be straight outright buffed but he needs some changes. idc what they do is that they just need to change him
{{item:1400}} ? getting blue smite before you gank is easy but there are alot of jungler who can gank with out cc
Doge2020 (NA)
: Darius and Garen have roughly the same win rate against each other. It all depends on the early game for this matchup. But I do think that Darius counters Garen, while garen can cleanse the slow from Darius’s W, he also has his E to keep the garen close and lets Darius kill him. So I think that darius does counter Garen, but it’s very conditional. It’s not like a garen vs vayne lvl of a counter lol
darius flat out beats garen in most cases his E passive makes garens W armor useless and darius bleed passive negates garens passive
: Nautilus has a 45% win rate vs Garen and is down 811 gold @15 minutes vs Garen on average. Is today opposite day? There is nothing Nautilus can do to counter Garen. Build all the tank items you want, Garen will out scale to a point where you do no damage vs him and he does significant damage to you still. You can probably "hook away" while he is chasing you, but eventually there will be nothing to "hook away" to since he can ignore all of your damage and just take the turret in your face. Nautilus needs his team to bail him out of that matchup if he wants to have any effectiveness at all. I am not a Garen hater. I actually think it is a breath of fresh air that other champions are finally allowed to be strong for once. However, your example is extremely flawed. That Garen was either extremely bad, or your team won before Garen out scaled you regardless of how bad the player was.
garen was plat 1 im unranked
: Malphite Ult
it is already at 130 secs at lvl 1 , that is 2 mins 10 secs
: > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JW4plBq2,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-10-21T21:29:35.193+0000) > > But punishing less poor chat behavior isn't going to make intentional feeding any easier to detect. It's not like there's some nob that has "Punish Chat behavior" on one end and "Punish Intentional Feeding" on the other end. But they have limited resources right? They should be prioritizing certain things over others.
> [{quoted}](name=Mecha Tom Hanks,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JW4plBq2,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-21T22:55:41.631+0000) > > But they have limited resources right? > > They should be prioritizing certain things over others. man based on some of your game history you have some KDAs that look like straight up inting
DJisKxng (NA)
: Riot Can You Please Look Into Wukong
so you want him to have a power spike with no items and cc for no reason cuz he hasnt hit lvl 6 yet? but side note he has a hidden passive not many are aware of and riot wont officially state it. play wukong on the same team as a raka and he is buffed , cuz she feeds him bananas all game
: Riot cares more about bad language than inting
so how many games do you legit have people "running it down mid" ??? or you have people who make bad decisions/plays and have bad games and die and you call it inting ?
: 1) The 16 list includes Yasuo. 2) 4k is not a lot when you compare Jinx who pokes and is healed out of her Fishbone damage to Ashe who makes every hit count, and afk farms minions until she can gain the tools to engage. Fishbone aoe vs Q Single Target. The Only parts of Ashe's kit that is aoe is her W and part of her R. To put this into context; Ezreal is the #1 Bot lane damage, and has the lowest win rate! Guess what? Most of his damage is WASTED.
but once again i didnt state good or bad regarding ashe i simply stated a stat
CurS1VE (NA)
: at what stage in the game tho? is that over the course of a 30min 5v5 or a 10 min 2v2? I suppose I don't quite understand the stat you are using considering there isn't any context. Damage at 6 items she ranks 20 out of 26? I'm guessing that is what you are saying and if that's the case then that's not really a great stat (if that's what you are using) considering most games last to the point where you have 2-3 (Maybe 4 items) so if she spikes hard with 2 items then that means pre-30min she is in theory a pretty good champ. IDK i didn't look at her Dmg over time but i will now. If you are saying something different then just disregard edit: I am looking at the WR by game length atm and she is actually crazy and doesn't appear to fall off too much, she is 2nd in terms of WR for the first 29min, and then 30-35 she is 3rd in WR so that means she spikes pretty well early in those first 2-3 items. She only falls to 9th after 40+ so that's still really solid overall
according to the data it compares all other BOT laners and their average damage per game at plat + elo ashe ranks 20th over all. i dont know what im getting downvoted over, i never stated im fine with ashe, or not or anything simply provide a stat for thought. fukin knee jerk reaction of the hate riot community. you dont go with the mainstream in the slightest way people come after you like you are the monster of Frankenstein , torches and pitch forks in hand. so if ashe is strong despite her low damage out put compared to all other bot laners then she is winning with ? her slow ? her aoe on W ? her ult? or is ashe strong in a damage meta cuz the fact that she has cc/utility where most team comps dont cuz hmm every one is trying to 1 shot everything. but they didnt buff any of ashes damage ratios, they didnt buff her cds, or her slows, or ult duration. the reason why ashe ranks low in terms of damage is she legit has two skills that dont contribute to her damage out put. her E it dont even give her anything but vision. and her ULT , it does magic damage and scale on AP so she isnt building to buff the damage on it. at max rank her ult does 650 magic damage. you arent using the ult for the damage. so if this is the case is her Q stacked and her W that strong of skills compared to other bot laners? but its funny i really do think people will just go and look at win rates for whatever reason even if they dont ever play or see that champ and will create post regarding it, and its like they are trying to win the boards as if it is a game in itself. i could create post after post about the usual suspects of hated champs and just farm upvotes to make myself look as if im informed and know what is going on.
: It's almost like there's more to the game than damage.
so is it ashe her self winning the games or is she allowing other champs to win cuz of her kit ?
: Garen still has many counters: Naut Urgot Flora Teemo Darius?(am unable to confirm this haven't played v yet) Vayne Quinn Keenen But people of.....below average IQ shall we say....on this forum cried and got Garen nerfed, thanks for that. And thanks RiOT for nerfing him within 4 days of release and without appropriate time balanced data analysis. What's that you say? Riven Isn't stomping Solo Q? Better buff her asap!!!
the point of my thread/post was to show there are ways of beating garen. and to stop with this out cry. mostly garen's win rate/play rate sky rocketed cuz as a champ in general he is very very forgiving to mistakes. and even if behind he can still be effective with his ult. so people see garen got buffed every one wanted to play him, they all had success despite the buffs /changes and then cry he is OP cuz of buffs. i dont think this is the issue. i think the type of champ he is with the increase of every one playing him all of sudden increased his win rate to near an inflation level. you cant mess up as garen in most cases . hence why the phrases like "spin to win " " noob friendly" exist regarding him. oh p.s the garen i faced was plat 1 and im unranked
: Which is only 4k damage difference. Also, that's a poor metric, since some adcs poke, like Jinx/Twitch/Ez/Cait, and Ashe's "in's" generally result in pure kills and she doesn't poke as much. Ashe behaves like an assassin in damage output. Almost none of it gets wasted. Ashe also generally isn't much of an aoe adc, which means her output will be lower. Most of the adcs beating her in damage are big chunking adcs. P.S. She's # 12 out of 16 adcs.
p.s not all BOT roles are JUST ADCS she is 20th out of 26 in terms of damage per game. 4k in damage is a lot. and people are downvoting me as if im defending ashe's win rate or pick rate. i didnt state anything regarding ashe other then her damage related to other bot laners.
: > [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-21T04:21:24.247+0000) > > despite her pick rate and win rate she still ranks 20th out of 26 bot laners in terms of damage dealt Its because she is soo safe there is literally zero trades occurring in a lane with ashe. You try to aggro you get hit with W after a few you are poked out and you simply learn you dont get kills on ashe in laning you just try to farm pasively. Its not because her dmg output is low its because you cant force trades and ashe you learn quickly you didnt want to trade anyways she out damages you anyways. Badly needs a nerf.
nerf where ? how? once again i never said she was or wasnt broken all i stated was her damage per game as related to all other bot laners
: > [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-21T04:21:24.247+0000) > > despite her pick rate and win rate she still ranks 20th out of 26 bot laners in terms of damage dealt nice joke bud , 54.78% win rate 25.94% pick rate is fine ? just wait until her pickrates goes up to like 30% and watch her wr sky rockets to 58% , i played her a few times in my alt and man and is she so broken and cancr i would perma ban her just nerf her ffs or maybe revert
never said she was fine, never said she was or wasnt broken. i simply stated stats and every one including you got your panties in a tussle
CurS1VE (NA)
: Wait...Ashe has a 55% WR???
despite her pick rate and win rate she still ranks 20th out of 26 bot laners in terms of damage dealt
: so basically your biscuits are your mana crystal?
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: oh ok. what about a {{item:1027}} inbetween your sunfire build.
had biscuits need the HP more then mana my 1st 3 buys were {{item:1001}} {{item:1028}} {{item:3751}} {{item:1028}} then {{item:1029}} into {{item:3068}}
: now ask yourself at this point how will you deal with mana vs his 'unlimited' resource supply. last time i looked at naut his spells are expensive.
went {{item:3068}} into {{item:3010}} into {{item:3001}}
: naut has 2 disables even if garen Qs him naut can stop his spin by a auto/walking away.
yes ... not only that his W shields him negating true damage and his E is a slow which helps stop garen from chasing and if garen is really feeling froggy i just Q to a wall and pull myself out
: I wish people would stop playing Yuumi into blitz/thresh lanes
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afmghost (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YEm9W82n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T00:19:05.088+0000) > > so you never were a fan. > > you cant jump ship when its bad So you're saying that I never liked the Simpsons when they were good, I never liked hip hop music, and I never liked league. That is poor logic my friend.
> [{quoted}](name=afmghost,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YEm9W82n,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T03:07:13.852+0000) > > So you're saying that I never liked the Simpsons when they were good, I never liked hip hop music, and I never liked league. That is poor logic my friend. but by this statement then you never were a fan of the bengals cuz they never been good
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