Risen29 (NA)
: Is there any point to playing Viktor anymore?
theres a new viktor shield build going around it's using fleet footwork, abyssal mask, and lichbane for Viktor to become a bruiser mage
: Why does Nami have bewbz when she's a fish? Mystery solved
Escheton (EUW)
: On behalf of ARAM players: We do not appreciate the recent Yi buffs. Dark Harvest Yi is an monster.
: I'm pretty sure we agree?
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OpOqkLXq,comment-id=0008000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-01T03:13:11.547+0000) > > I'm pretty sure we agree? Well Don't remove it make waveclear mages a choice. People like Brand (mid) who can't waveclear should have other reasons and advantages for being picked, instead of just: "If you can't waveclear mid you are screwed"
: It's a direction we could look into. There's also a bit of a question as to whether we're supposed to be increasing waveclear for champions like Lux, or reducing waveclear for champions on the top of the waveclear charts to be closer to her. The better gameplay could be the latter.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OpOqkLXq,comment-id=00080005000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-01T02:43:02.593+0000) > > It's a direction we could look into. There's also a bit of a question as to whether we're supposed to be increasing waveclear for champions like Lux, or reducing waveclear for champions on the top of the waveclear charts to be closer to her. The better gameplay could be the latter. don't you see the state of the game right now All mids do is waveclear. That isn't even remotely fun to watch or even good gameplay. I afk my brain when I play xerath mid because I waveclear until late game teamfights. Who wants to see faker in worlds not do anything for the first 10 mins because his opponent just spams waveclears. using that as a metric for mid balance SUCKS
: Lux has a huge gameplay issue and Riot has been refusing to aknowledge it for months
Stop trying to balance lux on the "average" metric Lux is an easy mode Xerath her "Gameplay" literally consists of throwing skillshots at the general direction of the enemy, except they aren't really skillshots because the AOE is half the lane. Unlike other siege mages who's skillshots are hard to land and have combo patterns, Lux does not. Just hit things and you are rewarded. nothing about this design should be given much reward. She should just remain a long range versatile safety pick that can do damage, CC, and shield allies, but none of them as good as a dedicated mage of that area. If I see mid lux buffs, I better start seeing mid brand buffs (who is actually terrible mid). But you know that won't happen because the Lux playerbase is probably 5x as much as Brand's
: What other factual metric do you wish to judge by? Also plenty of people care not what coordinated pro play is like considering 99 percent of us will never play that way.
> [{quoted}](name=vgamedude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynPcb9uK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-01T02:20:30.941+0000) > > What other factual metric do you wish to judge by? Also plenty of people care not what coordinated pro play is like considering 99 percent of us will never play that way. not even pro play just realize that: Solo Q is random shitters doing their own thing and is a giant mess. If you really want this game to be balanced around that, it wouldn't even be league of legends anymore. Seriously start to factor those statistics by elo, because if you are trying to make a serious arguement, don't include irrelevant material like win rate in blind pick normals
Rioter Comments
: "Kai'sa survived in the void with only her instincts"
no water in the void probably drank void piss
: Maybe this could mean void creatures are indeed edible or there is edible plant life in the void. There must also be sources of drinking water somewhere. I have a theory that that’s voiding blood to show how much of a boss she is, or it’s void pee to scare off the little ones, but might attract big ones.
> [{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zH7IpmHT,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-21T00:38:59.300+0000) > > Maybe this could mean void creatures are undead edible or there is edible plant life in the void. There must also be sources of drinking water somewhere. I have a theory that that’s voiding blood to show how much of a boss she is, or it’s void pee to scare off the little ones, but might attract big ones. confirmed for drinking void piss
: maybe she ate those little crab things from malz w but i do not know how she got water or if the void even have access to water
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyBigfoot28,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zH7IpmHT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-20T23:08:52.334+0000) > > maybe she ate those little crab things that malz has but i do not know how she got water or even if the void have access to water now you're asking the proper questions you should be asking about lore
: I believe that Brand is the only one who should be an exception in this. His last buff kinda made him out of line.
> [{quoted}](name=Lil Homie busta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cEJUB0Is,comment-id=00180000,timestamp=2018-02-20T22:19:19.880+0000) > > I believe that Brand is the only one who should be an exception in this. His last buff kinda made him out of line. Damage is all Brand provides. Without it he would be trash. And please stop judging solely off support Brand, a role that he was forced to play simply because Brand's mid is awful. These buffs were probably most likely for mid Brand. He is only forced into support because he can't wave clear mid and support AP itemization is quite good.
PhRoXz0n (NA)
: Should we see DoT champs become problematic, we'll likely be addressing Liandry's first.
> [{quoted}](name=PhRoXz0n,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cEJUB0Is,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2018-02-20T22:10:28.288+0000) > > Should we see DoT champs become problematic, we'll likely be addressing Liandry's first. hey let's not do the thing where you nerf both the item and the champion and leave them in the shit bin for 3 years
: Well ... yeah. That's the whole point behind good arguments and evidence to support them. Why wouldn't you believe him if you can acknowledge his points? If he can prove that Master Yi is OP in Silver Elo because the champion can take advantage of the relative skill level there, then Riot might shift some power around to diminish that the next time they look at Master Yi, buffing aspects that scale with his skill cap and nerfing his base a bit. You *can* balance for multiple divisions at the same time, after all, if only to a certain degree.
> [{quoted}](name=Illâoi Evê Siôn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NPOXpc8i,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T22:11:56.721+0000) > > Well ... yeah. That's the whole point behind good arguments and evidence to support them. Why wouldn't you believe him then if you can acknowledge them? > > If he can prove that Master Yi is OP in Silver Elo because the champion can take advantage of the relative skill level there, then Riot might shift some power around to diminish that the next time they look at Master Yi, buffing aspects that scale with his skill cap and nerfing his base a bit. > > You *can* balance for multiple divisions at the same time, after all, if only to a certain degree. please do explain how you nerf Yi for bronze/silver while buffing him for plat/diamond
: Yeah, but a lot of the people making those threads are Diamond or Masters, e.g. Je Suis Rubick is known to make heated threads 2/3rds of the time and he is Diamond 1 atm. Your request should read something like "Can people only make a thread about balance if they have good arguments, evidence to back it up and a constructive attitude?"
> [{quoted}](name=Illâoi Evê Siôn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NPOXpc8i,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-20T22:03:25.115+0000) > > Yeah, but a lot of the people making those threads are Diamond or Masters, e.g. Je Suis Rubick is known to make heated threads 2/3rds of the time and he is Diamond 1 atm. > > Your request should read something like "Can people only make a thread about balance if they have good arguments, evidence to back it up and a constructive attitude?" Ok so if someone who exclusively plays normal blind picks makes a thread with "good arguments, evidence, and a constructive attitude" as to why Yi is OP what then. we believe him or what? Am I just "not allowed" to point out that the general skill level of the normal blind pick playerbase is simply not very high and Yi takes advantage of that?
Rexxiee (NA)
: Sion just hit over 10% pick rate with 56% win rate
The new runes just work well for him and improve his laning Otherwise there isn't anything OP about him. He doesn't do that much damage unless you're bad and stand in his Q He provides good utility and CC in teamfight Camille is more cancer and you're whining about Sion who can be countered with a brain?
  Rioter Comments
: Kai'sa has Abilities in her Kit and they do Damage it is so Broken
: Especially with the new passive he got in the mage update, the guy is just built to lane vs multiple enemies.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FJqX34xA,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-02-20T19:12:30.015+0000) > > Especially with the new passive he got in the mage update, the guy is just built to lane vs multiple enemies. and in turn his mid solo laning is trash
nm1010 (NA)
: I've met people as high as master tier that don't know how basic game mechanics work, rank doesn't make someone automatically knowledgeable.
> [{quoted}](name=nm1010,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NPOXpc8i,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-20T21:00:22.335+0000) > > I've met people as high as master tier that don't know how basic game mechanics work, rank doesn't make someone automatically knowledgeable. this claim is thrown nonstop all the time can you prove it who is this master that doesn't know "basic mechanics" I don't even remotely believe you.
: Many casters and coaches arent high ranked. You dont nescessarily need a high rank to analyze balance.
> [{quoted}](name=Timethief49,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NPOXpc8i,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-20T20:57:14.050+0000) > > Many casters and coaches arent high ranked. You dont nescessarily need a high rank to analyze balance. literally every balance thread I see is "Nerf this champion because look at these statistics" and they pull up chart of irrelevant material because they fail to understand the full context of the situation. Only looking at things on a micro level and never factoring other cases like macro play, team comp, and the difference between solo Q and 5v5. Also doing math on their abilities while ignoring everything else about that champion might have like set up time, cast ranges, and mana costs, and general weaknesses of that champion. It's not something you can quantify on paper, it's something you need to go experience yourself in ranked play. How do you tell a silver what managing creep waves looks like? And the best casters like LS and the korean coach for SKT actually do play the game and achieve high rankings
Rioter Comments
: Brand's ult takes 1200 Ability Power to double it's lvl 16 damage
Oh look retarded silver kids doing math again The entire point of that Ult isn't to do damage, it's to set up his passive so other spells can combo off it which is his damage
: "Oh shit, that's right, I made a controversial post last night. Let's see how it's doing!"
: Dear Riot: When The Champions That Abuse Liandry's Will Be Broken Next Patch
This is Riot they will nerf both the item and the champion and leave them in the shit bin for 3 years
: Pro tip of the day
this is common sense not exactly a "pro" tip
: League Of Legends Ships I Don't Understand
rabid unwashed nergin neckbeards ship everything because they want to self insert themselves as those characters to experience sexual intimacy for their fantasies. "Oh those two characters are connected by lore?" IMMEDIATELY THEY HAVE SEX "Oh those two characters both have wings?" SEX Fuck you kids need to get some pussy to see how mediocre and actually anti-climatic the whole thing is
: "Just dodge the paddle star."
you can dodge 9/10 stars, but she only needs 1 to kill you
Pika Fox (NA)
: Most of league is a circle jerk echo chamber. Zoe has clear and defined weaknesses that no one wants to exploit. She plays like an assassin, and is terrible at teamfights as a result, enforced by sleep breaking on any champion damage (meaning her team can screw her CC and damage) She has no mobility like a long range mage (her R gives her temporary mobility so she can play her assassin role, but brings her back to her original cast point) Most of her damage is frontloaded into Q via her passive, E and R. If she fails to kill someone in 1 combo, she becomes useless, like an assassin. She lacks waveclear, and general AoE Her main form of combo requires a 2.3 second delay before she can kill someone, making teamfighting, again, difficult. People just like to cry foul all day and ban instead of learning how to play against the champion and her numerous weaknesses.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pook3IwA,comment-id=000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-19T01:43:31.109+0000) > She lacks waveclear, and general AoE lol what the fuck are you bronze?
: Brand is countered by shield supports. https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Brand/Support/
> [{quoted}](name=Attticus Finch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3ZE9R8kx,comment-id=00490000,timestamp=2018-02-19T01:01:18.077+0000) > > Brand is countered by shield supports. > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Brand/Support/ That website is ass and wrong and gives you the most unrelated statistics and draws a wrong conclusion https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vladimir/ look at here It says that Singed counters Vlad, when Vlad will poop on Singed in every lane matchup. 99% whats happening is that Singed top usually means AD assassin mid or jungle which allows top lane to be even with continuous ganks and Singed would just be better off in a teamfight matchup. These statistics say nothing about who wins the lane, but who wins the macro matchup of teamfights. All these "Brand does so much damage" statistics probably happen during laning, not taking into account nearly anything else.
: Brand support does way too much damage
shield supports are pure cancer right now and Brand reliably can counter shield stacking and you garbage kids complain about anti-meta picks
: Maybe if he wasn't dog shit for mid he wouldn't go bot, hmm its almost like giving champions a lot of inbuilt damage over scaling is a bad thing and forces them to go bot instead of building AP over pen and going mid {{champion:143}} {{champion:63}} Zyra and Brand should have better scaling, much better AP scaling and less base/passive damage. (I am a fond believer and player of Zyra and Brand mid and believe the belong there not in bot.)
> [{quoted}](name=Jinx Hunter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3ZE9R8kx,comment-id=0029,timestamp=2018-02-18T00:13:11.838+0000) > > Maybe if he wasn't dog shit for mid he wouldn't go bot, hmm its almost like giving champions a lot of inbuilt damage over scaling is a bad thing and forces them to go bot instead of building AP over pen and going mid {{champion:143}} {{champion:63}} > > Zyra and Brand should have better scaling, much better AP scaling and less base/passive damage. (I am a fond believer and player of Zyra and Brand mid and believe the belong there not in bot.) If you nerf Brand's bases, how is he supposed to go mid? his waveclear is godawful and inefficient, requiring 3 spells for a full clear Not to mention his bases are already actually terrible
: Brand support does way too much damage
Man this thread is pathethic. it's always a biased low elo circlejerk with no real facts. Have any of you even tried to play Brand mid? See his awful waveclear, survivability, and the fact that all his damage and CC is conditional? He literally only goes support because his mid is awful. God forbid. Mages are "not allowed" to kite melee. They "aren't allowed" to poke from safety. Brand has NO mobility, NO survivability, and low to medium cast ranges. {{champion:45}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:161}} support does the exact same thing and has more CC. Veigar and Velkoz also even do more damage, unless your enemy team is retarded and clumps up every teamfight The only thing Brand provides is damage, and it's conditional on how dumb your enemies are You remove that he's useless. If you want to gut his damage, I expect compensation buffs for his awful survivability and increase of spell ranges.
Draffyr (NA)
: Oh wow, that's awesome! I've had this slumber party skin line idea for awhile based around the idea that Lux invites Annie, Lulu, and Ezreal to a sleepover, but her parents won't let Ezreal stay without a chaperone so Garen is there, too, and Garen doesn't want to be the only adult so he somehow convinces Darius to come and Darius very confused about what's happening. This skin concept could so kick off an idea that I've thought would be awesome for so long, please make it happen ;-;
> [{quoted}](name=Draffyr,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=FQ8U5IAH,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-02-17T06:09:54.587+0000) > > Oh wow, that's awesome! I've had this slumber party skin line idea for awhile based around the idea that Lux invites Annie, Lulu, and Ezreal to a sleepover, but her parents won't let Ezreal stay without a chaperone so Garen is there, too, and Garen doesn't want to be the only adult so he somehow convinces Darius to come and Darius very confused about what's happening. This skin concept could so kick off an idea that I've thought would be awesome for so long, please make it happen ;-; Annie would start a fire in the house
Elinz (NA)
: ~*Sleepover Zoe!*~ (Skin Concept by Iruse)
be careful guys FBI is watching this thread
: Ability visuals should reflect their damage output
I'd love for this to happen but Riot is a company and they need to make money, and this requires money while adding not much in return (compared to the cost). Now something like Overwatch which has no minimap is 100% reliant on audio visual cues. Whereas League has other ways of signifying gameplay actions.
: Magic is Magic
{{champion:27}} Zyklon B? Magic
: What do we mean when we say the boards/reddit are a minority?
So today I learned that Riot balances for plat 5 Vietnam
Rioter Comments
: We are not the LCS
not saying that we should balance the game around LCS but Balancing around solo Q is retarded. Solo Q is awful, uncoordinated, random trolls doing random shit. Solo Q really isn't the game. The real game is ranked 5v5
Zone0ut (NA)
: Came back to this game after a two month break, and wow, just wow...
Actually sick of people complaining that Dota is "absurdly" complicated it really isn't. It just has deeper mechanics and requires a larger learning curve because that game was built back in the days when gamers were expected to solve their own problems. If all you've played is Call of Duty, does that mean Counter Strike is a "complicated" " unfun" game? No, you've just been spoonfed all this time and have extremely low standards. And look man, I could judge league by playing 10 games of Yi in bronze, but that doesn't prove anything about what I say in league being remotely true. People go into dota, complain it's not league, then cry back here.
Arakadia (NA)
: Doesn't he have one of the highest first blood rates?
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yg0YLjX8,comment-id=00010000000100020000,timestamp=2018-02-13T23:11:33.588+0000) > > Doesn't he have one of the highest first blood rates? That's a Riot statistic They're willing to take shit out of bronze and silver to say anything. First blood of what? Blind pick normals? Sure High elo ranked? I doubt it
: 1. He isn't meant to be a jungler 2. A buff against 50 mid lane matchups and a nerf to 2 mid lane matchups is still a huge buff
> [{quoted}](name=Hey h0w r ya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yg0YLjX8,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-02-13T20:28:54.344+0000) > > 1. He isn't meant to be a jungler > > 2. A buff against 50 mid lane matchups and a nerf to 2 mid lane matchups is still a huge buff You know how shitty talon's laning phase is most of his midlane matchups literally auto attack him out of lane
: Rioters memeing again...?
they aren't memeing they are being serious Literally silvers work at Riot balance team, they don't actually know the game
: At this point, I genuinely feel the Balance Team should be the next major Rework.
stop playing league and try dota out tell riot that you've had enough of their game unless they start making actual changes, and until then, stop buying RP and deny Riot of their revenue vote with your wallet
Rioter Comments
H00KIE (NA)
: Takes too long to earn champions
you don't need to think deep or hard to understand why it's because they know it makes more money
: speaking of dumb kids, this gem. > Brand has medium to below average spell ranges
> [{quoted}](name=Tychusfindlay918,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oau470oy,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2018-02-10T05:11:17.231+0000) > > speaking of dumb kids, this gem. Lux, Xerath are "long" range mages with 1300+ ranges Brand Q - 1050 Medium W - 900 Medium E - 625 Short R - 750 Short Literally every other mage with 900 range spells have oppressive CC and innate defenses. Brand's CC is conditional and he has 0 defenses stop talking you unranked garbage
: > [{quoted}](name=F1rmHandshake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oau470oy,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-10T03:24:57.773+0000) > > Not only this but he’s gets more and more tanky as the game goes on without having to build tank items and idk why Well, he usually gets Rylai's and Liandry's, which amounts to 600HP. Add Zhonya or Banshee (or both) and you get a decently tanky mage. If the Brand base build shifts from Rylai's/Liandry to Morello/Rylai or Morello/damage, then yea, he'll stop being this tanky.
> [{quoted}](name=Phazanor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oau470oy,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-02-10T04:37:43.581+0000) > > Well, he usually gets Rylai's and Liandry's, which amounts to 600HP. Add Zhonya or Banshee (or both) and you get a decently tanky mage. > If the Brand base build shifts from Rylai's/Liandry to Morello/Rylai or Morello/damage, then yea, he'll stop being this tanky. ok and malzahar has the exact same build as brand and has more base health and his passive Brand is running around level 16-18 at 2000 health with 0 resists like that isn't much
: Moved on to Nami, but I decided to try one last time: Sona's whole design just sucks
It's never been a Secret. You don't need a mega TLDR thread on why sona is awful design. Sona's design is cancer faceroll. 0 decisions, 0 power gates, just mindless spam of abilities that arbitrarily help the team. let me re-iterate this. **She has ZERO decisions to make**. She doesn't have to choose between heal or damage, she can just do both within 1 second of each other. Free buffs for days and it's all automatic. like this hero was literally made for retarded girl gamers by a retarded girl gamer
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