: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4WGGAYrz,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:09:22.352+0000) > > I'm not the one posting suggestive pictures of animated 11 year olds, buddy. its not even animated
> [{quoted}](name=Loafs of Pain,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4WGGAYrz,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T02:12:12.593+0000) > > its not even animated Wow you've debased my entire argument through pointing out its semantic flaws. You must have been on your high school debate team.
Prandine (NA)
: The way I see it there's only so much one can do to encourage players to reform and/or keep displaying good behavior as well as only so many chances to give before a player needs to be forcibly removed from the game. Some things we have for good behavior include: Access to Hextech Crafting, which lets players potentially unlock everything for free eventually. Occasional rewards such as Key Fragments for HC via the Honor system. The ability to play the game without fear of being unjustly punished for something one didn't do. Could there be more incentives for good behavior? Sure, but even then some players are just dead-set on making other people as miserable as possible so those rewards wouldn't matter to them. For the truly toxic individuals the message that actions have consequences needs to be continuously hammered home until they either shape up or ship out. Thankfully there are some people out there who eventually learn that lesson, even if it takes being permabanned to do so. Again though there's only so much one can do to encourage players to reform and/or keep displaying good behavior as well as only so many chances to give before a player needs to be forcibly removed from the game. No system is or ever will be perfect, and the IFS can and should do a better job at tracking down and punishing all forms of toxicity (especially intentionally trolling/feeding/afking), but as it stands right now the IFS does do a good job doing it's job if that makes sense. That said, it will still take a group effort by both Riot and the community to crack down on behavior we deem unacceptable. Times are changing, and more and more people are starting to get the message that internet anonymity doesn't mean immunity to consequences of poor behavior. This may sound cliche but the ones that learn prosper in enjoyment and relative peace so-to-speak while the ones that don't wallow in despair and frustration, again so-to-speak.
Why not a permanent mute feature? if a player is unable to use the chat function without causing disruption to other players, then prevent them from using it at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:43:54.045+0000)You said yourself that 25% of permabanned players quit the game, which indicates that the other 75% will continue to play on alternate accounts. That's an example number: as I said, "but ***if even 25%*** don't ever come back". We don't actually have the real number, but Riot has stated it is a significant percentage. My point here was more that coming in with the initial assumption that bans don't work (and that Riot still uses them for some unknown reason DESPITE them not working) doesn't really endear people to your thread -- because Riot has all the data we could ever hope to have on this subject, and they wouldn't keep the ban system around if it didn't have the desired results. Could it be improved? Almost certainly, but the "why ban players at all? It can't DO anything helpful" vibe the opening post has is probably making people inclined to downvote it.
The vibe I was trying to give it was one of open discussion, but okay.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:45:25.014+0000) > > What is Player Behaviour supposed to be for, then? Reports.
Of what? Naming and shaming is against the rules.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:31:19.815+0000) > > Did you not read my reasoning? I had explained thoroughly why it would seem that the current system does not teach players anything and that toxic players will continue to return. You expect some one not to be toxic atleast one point in time of them playing league. Dude getting rid of toxicity is impossible and irl it would be like removing everything harmful hurtful corrupted out of the world. If you don’t know why players become toxic is mostly b/c they put effort into their game play and they fail due to other too strong things or things such as teamates that int. If you cut out a players progress as a punishment might as well give his team a free win even if they fed while he didn’t. Progress is something that a player puts effort in, if it is denied by a cause they cannot control they have no other options unless to control themselves but at moments it’s immposible. Banning them allows them to gain more self control, if they cut their progress then they should just put em in bronze and let them climb again. Wasting all the time for such.
I agree with you, but the current practices and the way that they are endorsed and interpreted.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:39:59.988+0000) > > It's a discussion that relates to player behaviour, so I don't see the problem. You typed discussion first, then player behavior then it goes in discussion.
What is Player Behaviour supposed to be for, then?
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:26:30.594+0000)Why are people downvoting my post? I'm genuinely interested in creating a discussion that seeks to improve the state of the game. I feel like a lot of people simply downvote based on the title, as advocates for player reform are somewhat disliked around here. A few reasons, if I had to guess (I didn't downvote it, so I can't really say for sure): >...but in reality almost all toxic players will just go and make another account to circumvent the ban. This is an incorrect assumption stated as fact. >Therefore, it would seem that Riot's only motivation for banning players would be to force them to spend RP on things that they had already purchased... Even *mentioning* this conspiracy theory gets a lot of people annoyed.
I was only mentioning that with regards to how ridiculous it sounds. You said yourself that 25% of permabanned players quit the game, which indicates that the other 75% will continue to play on alternate accounts. If this isn't the case, then how exactly am I supposed to interpret the statistics?
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:26:30.594+0000) > > Why are people downvoting my post? I'm genuinely interested in creating a discussion that seeks to improve the state of the game. I feel like a lot of people simply downvote based on the title, as advocates for player reform are somewhat disliked around here. You posted it in “player behavior not general discussion.
It's a discussion that relates to player behaviour, so I don't see the problem.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:27:06.910+0000) > > I had assumed that it was from Riot, but where did they make this statement? It was a Red board posts a few months back. Unfortunately I don't have time to track it down at this time, as I can't remember the specific wording and that makes finding it really difficult.
: So they learn.
Did you not read my reasoning? I had explained thoroughly why it would seem that the current system does not teach players anything and that toxic players will continue to return.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:21:43.663+0000) > > I acknowledged this in the first sentence. If there is truly nothing stopping banned players from returning and further discouraging their reform, doesn't the system create a cycle where toxic players learn to live with their toxicity? It's a system that's difficult to fix and have work as it is intended, which is why I made this post in the first place. If we can arrive at a punishment system that effectively reduces toxicity whilst encouraging reform, wouldn't the game become a more positive experience for everyone? Yes, got any ideas to make this work then?
No, that's why I started the discussion in hopes that people collaborating could work towards fixing a flawed system.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUZmBPGP,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-07-09T00:17:07.388+0000)Where are these statistics coming from? Is there any telling what portion of players that are permanently banned have already been permanently banned on other accounts? This was a statement by Riot -- the only organization that would be able to be an accurate source of those statistics. They are pretty good at identifying a player by their location, playing habits, etc, so I'd expect this to be fairly accurate.
I had assumed that it was from Riot, but where did they make this statement?
: Why ban players if they are just going to make alternate accounts?
Why are people downvoting my post? I'm genuinely interested in creating a discussion that seeks to improve the state of the game. I feel like a lot of people simply downvote based on the title, as advocates for player reform are somewhat disliked around here.
Jamaree (NA)
: Permabans aren't hopes for them coming back to reform, permabans are hopes of them not returning, but there is nothing that can truly be done to stop them from returning if they wanted.
I acknowledged this in the first sentence. If there is truly nothing stopping banned players from returning and further discouraging their reform, doesn't the system create a cycle where toxic players learn to live with their toxicity? It's a system that's difficult to fix and have work as it is intended, which is why I made this post in the first place. If we can arrive at a punishment system that effectively reduces toxicity whilst encouraging reform, wouldn't the game become a more positive experience for everyone?
: Because a large portion of permanently banned players do *not* continue to play *League*. A large portion *do* continue, but if even 25% don't ever come back than permanent bans get rid of 25% of toxic players permanently.
Where are these statistics coming from? Is there any telling what portion of players that are permanently banned have already been permanently banned on other accounts?
Rioter Comments
: It definitely affects whether or not I report players if they alter their behavior during the game. Props to you for staying positive.
Kinda upsetting when you realize that you're going down the wrong path and you try to get out of toxicity but still get reported because an enemy hates your guts.
: > [{quoted}](name=BestaDumCabrão,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WGu9f8vO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-08T20:15:56.464+0000) > > what part of this am i support to care about? If you don't care then why did you comment?
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WGu9f8vO,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:43:36.172+0000) > > If you don't care then why did you comment? He didn't understand that OP was trying to bait Riot whiteknights, and so thought that the whole post was pointless.
: > [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:09:36.138+0000) > > Maybe he shouldn't step out of his special alpha safe space then. People who can't face reality are a plague, and are holding our species back. not as much as betas are LOL
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:13:33.954+0000) > > Don't be like the OP, you're better than this. Damn I was toying with you (I'm pretty sure OP was being a troll as well, but I can't confirm) but that's one of the nicest things anyone has said to me recently thanks man :). Have a nice evening.
: I thought the title of the thread was "Riot isn't responding at all to player feedback," not "Riot isn't giving players what they want." While they do have serious flaws in their balancing measures, not all player suggestions are going to work right off the bat. Things like "nerf damage by 10% across the board!" and "nerf this class of champions!" or even "make URF permanent!" does not always work in a vacuum. Too fast changes (which some players suggest) can cause a lot of chaos and disgruntle players. Look at bot lane right now: people have been wanting ADCs to not be mandatory for *years* and look what happened in one patch. Imagine if they buffed towers and went too far: siege champions and those who excel at taking objectives would become dominant (possibly). Then they would have to nerf towers, buff them again if they're too weak, and become a pendulum of balance if they gave in too quickly to player demand. I'd rather the company be transparent in their decisions (which they could use more of, tbh) than to give into player demand because we're not a hive-minded entity, we're a bunch of people with different opinions. It'd be stupid of Riot to completely ignore us, but they don't. Not completely.
What's the point of responding to player feedback if you're not going to do anything about it? Also, Riot has already done a good job disgruntling a lot of players with their rapid changes, most of which don't balance the game but alter it so that it's unbearable to keep with the change. Examples of this include: Mage update, juggernaut update, crit reworks, champion reworks, changing the jungle every season, etc.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:06:21.743+0000) > > #StopAlphaDiscrimination2k18 Maybe he shouldn't step out of his special alpha safe space then. People who can't face reality are a plague, and are holding our species back.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:09:36.138+0000) > > Maybe he shouldn't step out of his special alpha safe space then. People who can't face reality are a plague, and are holding our species back. not as much as betas are LOL
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4WGGAYrz,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:38:50.413+0000) > > why are anime fans attracted to underage cartoon girls? idk, why are you
> [{quoted}](name=Loafs of Pain,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4WGGAYrz,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:43:01.467+0000) > > idk, why are you I'm not the one posting suggestive pictures of animated 11 year olds, buddy.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4WGGAYrz,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:38:50.413+0000) > > why are anime fans attracted to underage cartoon girls? cuz they're hot
> [{quoted}](name=ZackTheWaffleMan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4WGGAYrz,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:03:27.511+0000) > > cuz they're hot That's called %%%%philia.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:56:19.812+0000) > > oh sry you'reself* Why are you defending the OP exactly?
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T23:02:33.632+0000) > > Why are you defending the OP exactly? because he's alpha af and i respect that. ur just jealous of how alpha he is. #StopAlphaDiscrimination2k18
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E08EiqdL,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:47:39.705+0000) > > I swear that they must have changed that. it's been like that forever
> [{quoted}](name=Cute Necromancer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E08EiqdL,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:50:18.046+0000) > > it's been like that forever I have distinct memories of surviving an Ignite with Fizz's E.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:48:30.797+0000) > > your not op why do you refer to yourself as him? You're*
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:50:31.111+0000) > > You're* oh sry you'reself*
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:37:03.996+0000) > > lol look at this dude more like delta male at this point op is so alpha he cucks Yi's q Delta? What exactly is a delta supposed to be? At least beta has some basis in science in the animal kingdom, where it marks the second in command status. There is no species with a delta social rank. OP is a weak excuse for a man, and a shameful mark upon humanity as a whole. Don't join him.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:41:51.094+0000) > > Delta? What exactly is a delta supposed to be? At least beta has some basis in science in the animal kingdom, where it marks the second in command status. There is no species with a delta social rank. > > OP is a weak excuse for a man, and a shameful mark upon humanity as a whole. Don't join him. your not op why do you refer to yourself as him?
: > [{quoted}](name=MuffleMouse411,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E08EiqdL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:32:10.973+0000) > > This should probably go in the bug reporting section, as DoTs shouldn't tick while a character is untargetable. Ofc they should. It's a normal interaction. Untargetable doesn't mean invulnerable. If the DoT gets applied before the champ goes untargetable that's a normal interaction. I've seen many {{champion:8}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} die to DoT's during their abilities.
> [{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E08EiqdL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:44:59.859+0000) > > Ofc they should. > It's a normal interaction. > Untargetable doesn't mean invulnerable. > If the DoT gets applied before the champ goes untargetable that's a normal interaction. > I've seen many {{champion:8}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} die to DoT's during their abilities. I swear that they must have changed that.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/204214670-Shared-accounts *• You give your password to a friend or family member* *Nooooo! Don't do it! The only person that should know your password is you. Don't forget that accounts are personal. Each summoner is unique, which means that when his account is shared, part of its personality is lost in the process. Don't give your password to that friend who wants to check out your skins or to that cousin who just joined the League and wants to know what a level 30 account feels like. You can always help them create their own account. That way, you can even start a team and play together.*
In that case, I am mistaken. I know other online games that typically forbid account sharing allow it between family members. Thanks for actually posting evidence unlike practically everybody else who just flames you for being incorrect.
: what part of this am i support to care about?
> [{quoted}](name=BestaDumCabrão,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WGu9f8vO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-08T20:15:56.464+0000) > > what part of this am i support to care about? The part where he "baited" you in by making you think he was going to complain about Riot and their business practices like 90% of the posts here and announce that they've lost a customer.
: Yeah we all know that spring anime is over
why are anime fans attracted to underage cartoon girls?
: > [{quoted}](name=Box of Raisons,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:04:58.704+0000) > > spoken like a true beta There are no "beta" status in our species. You hide behind lies because you cannot face the truth. One day you will have no other option, and you will realize just how weak you are. You are what you claim not to be. Face reality and you can overcome your problems. The only thing stopping you from being who you want to be is yourself, and from your responses here I fear you may be lost forever. Actions speak louder than words, so you can either keep yelling as loud as you can or you can have some god damn self respect.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7WQffds6,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-08T22:13:01.161+0000) > > There are no "beta" status in our species. You hide behind lies because you cannot face the truth. One day you will have no other option, and you will realize just how weak you are. > > You are what you claim not to be. Face reality and you can overcome your problems. The only thing stopping you from being who you want to be is yourself, and from your responses here I fear you may be lost forever. > > Actions speak louder than words, so you can either keep yelling as loud as you can or you can have some god damn self respect. lol look at this dude more like delta male at this point op is so alpha he cucks Yi's q
: Just saw a Yi Die during alpha strike.
This should probably go in the bug reporting section, as DoTs shouldn't tick while a character is untargetable.
: > I got banned for 1 game WTF "I got arrested for 1 murder wtf"
Why do people constantly compare toxic players to literal criminals?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >Sharing between siblings is acceptable I believe it's not
Why not, and where are you getting this information?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: account sharing is against the rules so even if riot unbans you because it wasn't you playing, they'll ban it right back because it wasn't you playing {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Sharing between siblings is acceptable I believe, but still the account owner is responsible for all activity made on the account.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: if 2-3 warnings aren't enough for you to reform then the 4th won't make any difference
That's a fair point, but the OP said himself he only received one warning in the form of a 10-game chat restriction before his ban.
Kei143 (NA)
: Riot have found out that the toxicity severity and rate doesn't change amongst people whom get an extra punishment tier between 14-day ban and permaban. Meaning that extra punishment tier doesn't do anything in regards to stopping people from being toxic and is just prolonging the inevitable permaban. I'd argue having a warning before a player gets their first punishment will be more effective at encouraging reform.
If I'm not mistaken, the only thing Riot tested in regards to toxic player reformation was seeing if a player who was permabanned for toxicity on their main account could make it to level 20 without triggering the need for the now defunct Tribunal system. If I'm wrong about this, when did Riot test the added tier of punishment?
: *inhales* #chat logs
What exactly do you mean by that?
: You said in the very same thread that you have gotten a 14-day suspension. Why are you lying now?
The 14-day ban was a final warning, according to Halcyon. That's what I was referring to.
: I feel for you, I really do. Like others have suggested you can try submitting a support ticket. But if Riot comes back to you with a, "we're sorry but the ban was justified," then there's nothing to do about it. That's the consequence for letting our anger lead us to lash out on others. If you were 2-week banned previously then that was essentially like a final warning, it should have been clear enough that you needed to deal with your anger better before returning to the game.
Yeah, but it seems at least a small bit unfair that my "final warning" was also the first.
: They had him turn over all of his accounts that he used secretly during the ID ban to show that he had reformed, they were able to analyze his behavior on those accounts and apparently it was good enough for them.
Oh, that makes sense I guess.
: Hey there, I have had anger management issues in the past too. That doesn't excuse our past behavior though, especially if it caused others to suffer. It sucks to lose your account, but that's the way of things. Take it as a sign that you might need to do more to handle your anger than you have been doing. Try a therapist, I've seen them a few times in the past to help me with my own issues and it worked great. The stigmas are silly, therapists are actually great. And if you haven't tried one yet then you're missing out on a great opportunity to outgrow problems that have held you back in life.
Yeah, I know, and I will. It's just infuriating to lose money and time spent on an account just to keep playing without all that I worked for. I'm not saying I deserve a refund, I just want a chance to make it so that hundreds of dollars and hours that I put work into aren't lost just because I need therapy or emotional support.
: You're not understanding, it's not the same kind of unban. An ID ban isn't an actual ban, it's just a policy to instantly permaban accounts when the player is detected playing the game on them. Repealing an ID ban means that the policy stops being put into effect, not that the accounts that were permabanned themselves will be repealed.
Yes I understand, but there is no way of really telling that an ID banned player has reformed, so why unban him?
: Mmh. Well, I would at least encourage to send a [Support Ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new). Ask about your punishment history and if your 14-day suspension was an escalated punishment or another step up on the ladder - if it was the former, and if it was discovered to be placed in error (where a chat restriction would have sufficed), I'd imagine Riot Support would be pretty quick to lower your punishment tier. Basically, just explain that you don't recall ever having gotten chat restrictions, ask if you've ever had any, and continue the discussion from there. If it was so that you had chat restrictions building up to the suspensions, then I can't imagine that Riot will be able to offer much more than the explanation, but, all said, it's still worth it to send a ticket in and see what, if anything, can be done. Best of luck to you.
Thank you. :) I've just had a terrible day, and playing league in such a mood was a mistake on my part.
: Why can a person expunge a 2nd degree felony conviction for possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute, but they CAN'T expunge a 3rd degree felony conviction of sexual battery? One's a lesser charge, so what gives...
You're comparing actual crimes to in game punishment for shit talking people whom you get irrationally mad at. You're point is valid, but still.
: The downvotes are likely given towards the main subject of the discussion more than anything else - by and large, discussions about appealing permanent suspensions are more or less tired by this point. I wouldn't pay it too much mind.
I see. It's unfortunate Riot doesn't have an actual system for appealing your ban, which could circumvent redundant boards posts.
: I'm curious which of Tyler1's accounts became un-perma-banned? Do you know which of his old accounts have been reset and which he now actively plays? [shrug] An. ID ban is harder to get, sure - but it's also much _different_ than a permanent account ban. Think of a chat ban as a manager of an establishment telling a customer to calm down. Think of a 14-day suspension as being kicked out of an establishment. You're free to come back. Just be on good behavior. Think of a permabanned account as being criminally trespassed from an establishment's location. Sure, you could disguise yourself and probably sneak back in without issue (i.e. create a new account). Think of an ID Ban as being on a terrorist watch list. You're free to travel mate - but you're not coming HERE. So, in the end you might be taken off the terrorist watch list and allowed back into the USA. But you're still criminally trespassed from Wal-Mart. Anyway, hope things work out. If you believe you have reformed, I hope you make a new account and we'll see you on the rift maybe. [editted, because my post made it seem like I was actively trying to be an a-hole, which was not my intent. I can do that well enough even without trying, sometimes.]
Yeah, but what I don't understand if a harsher ban can be repealed why can't a permaban be repealed? Yeah, I didn't realize that his already banned accounts didn't get unbanned, but that is justified for someone as consistently toxic as he was. Not having his previous accounts unbanned is akin to losing your honour after a 14 day ban. It's the overflow of the original punishment.
: > How did Tyler1 get unbanned, then? He had an ID ban, which if I understand correctly is even harsher than getting an account permabanned. You're right about Tyler1's ban being an ID ban, which is in itself worse than a Permanent Ban. It essentially was a ban on the person, that whenever he was caught streaming League, the account he was playing on would be issued an immediate permanent ban. Tyler1's ID ban was the only thing that got lifted - none of the accounts which were permabanned before or during the ID ban were unbanned. The removal of the ID Ban just meant that Tyler1 was allowed to stream League again. > What I said that got me banned for 14 days was hardly enough to warrant skipping both chat restrictions. What did you say, pray tell?
I basically swore at them. Pretty sophomoric stuff. Probably heavy criticism of their mother, as well.
: He still had to use a new account from what i understand. His old one was not unbanned. He just got unbanned from the "ban on sight with proof"
I can understand that, but I believe he had many banned accounts prior to that. Unbanning them would be futile. Also, if someone who displays behaviour as consistently toxic as Tyler1 can repeal a ban, why can't someone who has only committed a few offenses on one account?
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