: Really? I thought they were going to give her a different passive (ah, the good ole days of Will of the Ancients and Spell Vamp quints) and possibly do something different with Torment Soil because it was regarded as very non-interactive.
Yup. They tried changes for her W but didn't like any so they scrapped it and only doing a VU. You can even look it up on the update schedule link, it just says Visual update for her while Kayle is a Visual Gameplay Update.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u0n3XWvG,comment-id=000400020001,timestamp=2018-11-19T20:38:32.677+0000)But it is not right for you to say that in public. I have half a mind to go talk to your superior, Djinn. You're always welcome to, as far as I am concerned (although I cannot dictate their availability). My posts and my Discord interactions are fully visible to them, and they are able to view my moderation history at any point in time.
If you don't edit out your comment, I will. That is not right at all. And yes, your stupid b.s. rule needs to be deleted.
: > [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u0n3XWvG,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-11-19T17:12:22.874+0000) > > Don't see what's wrong with asking a rioter to be fired. I'm pretty sure some random boards poster will barely influence the opinion on riot HQ for a rioter removal. So i just don't see the point. Its their decision after all on which rioter deserves to be fired. The main reason that we moderate this sort of behavior is because it is effectively a call out thread, which we tend not to allow, and it is further a call out thread that asked for detrimental action to be taken against an individual. It's also incredibly non-productive, as it typically takes the place of actual discussion of game issues, and it becomes simply a thread piling on whatever individual is singled out. That is a behavior we don't allow targeted at anyone here, whether they are a Rioter or a Community member. It is normally something that we do not punish for, but simply removed for the request not to do it again. In this case the original poster of this thread has a rather extensive punishment history, however, and we do take that into account when similar behavior has appeared in the past.
Wow. Look at you now. You are calling me out for my "history." Most my history was very controversial punishments by the mods in the first place. But it is not right for you to say that in public. I have half a mind to go talk to your superior, Djinn.
: I mean they don't even have to bring it back. All they had to do with make her Mantra E more unique to Karma. Mantra E literally exists on two items actives, several champion ULTS, and almost every single Enchanter in the game. Riot NeuroCat wanted to do more for Karma, Meddler refused all of her requests to actually do anything on Karma other than put a gimmick on her Mantra W. Meddler is the issue.
: It's a channeled, Neeko centric Ult. It is very much like Morgana. In the video where she mimicked Xayah at the Dragon Pit fight, Rakan used his ult to charm everyone so they couldn't react to Neeko's Ult. Half the people here are trying to play her up as a LeBlanc rip off and I'm seeing all three of her Damage/CC spells (Q,E+R) as different renditions of Morgana's Kit. Makes me curious what they are going to do for the Morgana update in January/February.
> [{quoted}](name=Ravenhale,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5jJu2VR,comment-id=000c000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-19T20:04:26.871+0000) > > It's a channeled, Neeko centric Ult. It is very much like Morgana. In the video where she mimicked Xayah at the Dragon Pit fight, Rakan used his ult to charm everyone so they couldn't react to Neeko's Ult. > > Half the people here are trying to play her up as a LeBlanc rip off and I'm seeing all three of her Damage/CC spells (Q,E+R) as different renditions of Morgana's Kit. > > Makes me curious what they are going to do for the Morgana update in January/February. There's nothing to be curious about besides why they actually are copying Morg's kit because Morg is not getting any gameplay changes. They scrapped it and she's only getting a VU.
: Do Your Job, Meddler. Seriously, Another Theme and Abilities Taken From Another Champion?
: She can't Mimic on demand, as it is her passive. And attacking or being attacked drops the mimic, so how on earth would that scenario evolve while laning? What is she doing? Sitting in a bush letting the ADC 2 v 1 so that she can distract them after he's been pushed out of lane by her nonsense? As a support, she's going to be more like Morgana. She has a root that passes through minions and an Ult that also roots. The only times I really see her being able to use her passive effectively as a Support during the laning phase would be when they both return to lane so long as the ADC is on board with starting a fight instead of CSing. It will give them a moment of confusion to take advantage of. This can also be done with the jungler with a bit of coordination. Edit: Actually, it's starting to very much look like she can Mimic on Demand if her Passive is available. Still not sure how well this would translate in the laning phase as you would literally have to lose sight of both of them for that "switcheroo" to be effective.
Well I hadn't seen any ability video so I thought it was on a spell. That root and ult sound lovely. FUCKING NOT. I don't like this champ one bit.
Mealody (EUW)
: Double this workers paycheck pls.
That is the opposite of what they deserve.
Infernape (EUW)
: Nah the same person that reworked Irelia
That is the opposite of what they deserve. Edit: wrong person.
: I actually don't think she will be a decent Support. I suppose she can, but her passive will just be silly. Everyone knows the ADC not CSing is the Neeko. That's why I mentioned Ivern. More of a Utility Jungler.
I think people are saying how she would support is when they are getting ganked. Just like the video, she can mimic the ADC to confuse the enemy and make them chase the clone while the real ADC gets away. Again though, that will be very frustrating to play against imo.
: Ask yourself: Is the champion unique in gameplay, artwork, and lore? If so then the champion DESIGNER has done his/her job. Balance team decides whats broken via raw numbers. Like seriously people keep barking up the wrong tree.
The only thing that is unique is her artwork. The cloning ability similar to LB, she can just mimic other champs and has it on a regular ability that doesn't proc when she's low health. And she is nothing like a chameleon besides her visual. Chameleon's disguise themselves by color, that's about it. The designer hasn't done their job well in my opinion. The last champions that were designed well I think are Xayah and Rakan. Before that, Bard.
: Sod off. Honestly. There has yet to even be an _ability_ reveal. You have zero basis to comment on the champ yet.
Uh the video? She LITERALLY copies a champ- their visual, their abilities, everything. This champ does not need to be in this game. AT ALL.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5jJu2VR,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-19T16:55:53.824+0000) > > I've been here since 2014 and LB's clone never copied buffs or items. It's always been that way as her form of counterplay. > > I meant Shaco's clone takes more damage. Then wikia is wrong which is odd since it's text based on what they experience in game. I'll check tonight after work. When LeBlanc falls below 40% maximum health, she creates a controllable clone of herself with the same items,
Like literally. Everytime I click both, one has items showing up, the other doesn't. That way I know which one to go after. Always been that way for me.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u0n3XWvG,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-19T17:12:26.944+0000)Lift this shit. Now. To be blunt? No. You do not have to like the rules in all cases, and I understand some people do not. You do not, however, get to make the final call on what does or does not violate them, nor on what rules are in effect. This *is* a rule that we considered fairly carefully, and at this time it is not changing. If you do not like it, you do not have to use the boards.
To be blunt? Yes. **Fucking delete this shit, now. ** I wonder why you were able to be a mod in the first place as well. This is not a rule that should be in effect. It is not harassment, and is not insulting. So delete it. We use the boards to give our opinions. If that opinion, or fact, is that a person needs to be fired, it should be allowed. Freedom of speech. Let us use it. Your rules are bullcrap. I might just write a letter to Riot as well stating my frustrations with everything, including particular names because this is bullshit and should not be allowed to happen.
: Don't see what's wrong with asking a rioter to be fired. I'm pretty sure some random boards poster will barely influence the opinion on riot HQ for a rioter removal. So i just don't see the point. Its their decision after all on which rioter deserves to be fired. Seems the mods are just trying to protect the rioter's feelings or something.
Exactly! Asking for a firing is not harassment. It's for the game as a whole to become better without them on the employee roll. When they make stupid shit that makes the game unfun to play against, they shouldn't be apart of the creation process in the first place.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u0n3XWvG,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-19T17:06:45.702+0000)This stupid rules needs to be lifted. Now. It will not be at this time, no. I understand you disagree, but we cannot make every rule something everyone agrees to, and demanding an individual be fired is something that is considered harassment. If you want to make those demands, I would recommend using something other than the *League* boards to do so.
It is not harassment. Can't believe this crap. Your rules are awful. Lift this shit. Now.
: And here you are, conplaining about a 1 day board ban. Not knowing the difference between a fact and opinion (fact can be proven or disproven. Opinion is how you feel). Like for real. It's not that harmful. It is fact you broke a forum rule and the punishment isn't to insult. _<Removed by Moderation>_
I'm not hurt. I'm pissed off. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u0n3XWvG,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-19T16:57:13.705+0000)It should be allowed. I'm sorry you don't agree with the rule, but it is not one that we will be relaxing at this point. Additionally, your opinions on the subject of champion design are neither universal or objective and, although you may feel passionately about them, it's important to remember that sometimes. Many players *do* enjoy the characters you mentioned, and many players don't actually mind playing as them or against them.
Can't believe this stupid shit. No. Just because a champ like Yasuo is popular doesn't mean he is good for the game. It's just because he has a stupid overloaded kit that people like to abuse. But it makes everyone else hate playing against him. Just like Zoe. Just like LB. Just now like Neeko. They are not good for the game. My opinions are universal and objective especially when a whole host of other people agree. This stupid rules needs to be lifted. Now.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hlju86pa,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-19T16:51:46.056+0000) > > Looks like I will be fucking leaving my permban Zed to now permabanning Neeko. > > Good Lord this tilts me so fucking much. Yikes permabanning zed
Everyone has that one champ that frustrates them to their core. Currently Zed is that to me because I hate his stupid ass kit.
: Riot does moderate the boards, actually, so it's not that they're easily hurt: it's simply that demanding people be fired isn't something we allow here. If you want to have a productive discussion about what you dislike about the game's balance and the changes you'd like to see, that's fine. If you want to demand that people be fired because you don't agree with their decisions, that's not fine -- do that somewhere else or, better yet, just don't do it.
It should be allowed. The particular person is creating things that make the game more unfun to play against and they should not be working in the first place. I don't get it at all. Rioters are easily hurt and need to learn to toughen up. **This is ridiculous.**
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5jJu2VR,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-11-19T16:38:45.111+0000) > > But unlike Neeko, LB and Shaco are a bit easier to figure out. LB- click the clone and if the clone has items, that&#x27;s the real her. Shaco- his health decays more rapidly if I remember right. > > Neeko? She takes the FULL FORM of a champ along with their abilities. Where is the counterplay in that?! I'm decently sure both Shaco clone and LB clone copies buffs and items. Neither decays health faster (or do you mean takes more dmg)?
I've been here since 2014 and LB's clone never copied buffs or items. It's always been that way as her form of counterplay. I meant Shaco's clone takes more damage.
: i do want neeko in the game.. i just dont want her _kit_ in the game.. then again we know NOTHING about it so. cooldowns could mean a whole lot
Looks like I will be fucking leaving my permban Zed to now permabanning Neeko. Good Lord this tilts me so fucking much.
: #YesToNeeko She looks adorable and fun.
She looks mega titling and awful to balance. Just. like. Zoe. #NotoNeeko
: XD you got a ban? wow i saw your post to
Yeah apparently Riot doesn't like having their employees being called out for firing.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5jJu2VR,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-11-19T16:29:14.883+0000) > > Honestly she’s gonna tilt so many people with mind games. It's a risky decision. I'm decently sure people already find LB passive and Shaco clone poor 'mind games' being more of '50 / 50 guesses', but it seems to have doubled down on it for the champ. We'll see. I do think the 'tilt' aspect is correct.
But unlike Neeko, LB and Shaco are a bit easier to figure out. LB- click the clone and if the clone has items, that's the real her. Shaco- his health decays more rapidly if I remember right. Neeko? She takes the FULL FORM of a champ along with their abilities. Where is the counterplay in that?!
Rioter Comments
Scryble (NA)
: Can we talk about Neeko?
I think this champ is stupid just like Zoe and should not be added to the game. And whoever created this champ shouldn't be creating champs at all. I'm surprised they were even hired in the first place.
: Because mages werent made to be bruisers that deal insane ap damage with tankyness? Why dont AD champions get a {{item:3089}} that increases our AD by a huge amount? Are you seriously suggesting a 700 AP mage with 300 Armor would be balanced? Not only that, but the mage also gets huge health from Morello, Rylais and Liandrys. So youre technically speaking, if you want armor + ap on your precious mages, youd need to give up tons of your AP. No more 100 AP on items, no more Rab, youre now going to have about 300 ap full build instead of 800-1000.
Don't know where you're getting those stats but unless a mage goes straight fucking damage with no Rylais or any small health item like Hextech or whatever, they can not reach 800+AP unless they are playing Veigar. Most mages, especially ones I play, even with Baron, they range in the 300-500 AP range, sometimes maybe over but thats more uncommon. So no, we don't need to lose a shit ton of AP just to get some defense. **Mind you, Riot already took a crap ton of our AP the past few seasons.**
: ***
That's not nice at all man. Everyone has an opinion and can argue balance, regardless of their rank. Be a sportsmanlike person and learn to respect your fellow players, even if they are a lower rank then you.
: Don't steal ward gold from your support
I agree with the OP. It's rude to take something from another player, no matter if it's a support or a regular carry.
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sNfVwAh0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-18T01:16:01.853+0000) > > I would! Come on people let&#x27;s get Riot to see this! Vote yes, upvote!! never downvoted a post so fast
: If Riot gave you a chance to get your account back, would you do it?
I would! Come on people let's get Riot to see this! Vote yes, upvote!!
Maevelle (NA)
: Sounds pretty petty to assume that. He's been said to be one of the most successful reworks to date. Just cause you have a problem with it doesn't mean a majority does.
My argument is not petty, and a lot of people hate the rework. It is not one of the most successful at all. Warwicks is. Galio is not.
: Do you guys still have any hope for mid season?
I have no hope. Riot has been ruining the game for me ever since this season started, and the Galio rework as well. Ugh.
wildfox99 (EUW)
: >All hope is lost for me, brothers. Please, bring light i almost hoped they were going to do something good with AP item and with ahri mini rework,after see what they did i literally quit LOL and yes,bot lane has still the 80% of team power budget,but i could almost accept that it takes so long for nerfing them if they could do a decent work on other classes (srsly,AP rework was a joke) _just a tip,try fortnite,is way more funny and satisfying to play atm,and their changes makes sense_
I'm not sure if this was fake or not but I heard Fortnite is shutting down actually.
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5thGXon,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T23:36:35.251+0000) > > They weren&#x27;t broken, and they were better. More unique, more fun to play and use. He just needed some tuning and shifting of power so he could have better mana costs. His visuals were fine. Well his story was also outdated due to Poppy's rework. And you sure about that? Sounds like missing the abuse of it all given their were plenty of articles suggesting otherwise.
I don't care about his lore, they can do whatever. But his visuals were fine.
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5thGXon,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T12:53:16.566+0000) > > Well it&#x27;s the truth, the rework is awful and wasn&#x27;t needed. And, they would admit they made mistakes with it by reverting it. It&#x27;s not insulting to them if they realize that. > > And no, I saw Reportior or whatever his name is say that they are nerfing Galio just because they are nerfing his competition and expect him to be better in result of that, nothing else. So original Galio, with his outdated looks and questionably broken W and R, was better? Took me awhile to look up WHY Galio needed the rework, beyond looks.
They weren't broken, and they were better. More unique, more fun to play and use. He just needed some tuning and shifting of power so he could have better mana costs. His visuals were fine.
: Another nerf hits mages/enchanters directly by nerfing them and indirectly by nerfing their items
This makes me fucking LIVID. I've stuck with Riot with their constant butchering of our AP itemization ever since that awful ADC rework the other season, but this? HOLY FUCK! Riot, fix this shit and remove these changes!
Vanjie (NA)
: @Riot - Another Ryze Rework but Zero Work on Karma, Lissandra, Skarner and Morde.
This is so frustrating. Riot, get your head out of your ass and work on the things that actually NEED work, not your popular pet champions. {{sticker:darius-angry}}
: She needs alot of work done since they have strupped her of her most iconic ability and given it to ivern and now her lore which was given to irelia
Yeah that first part makes me so MAD. Why take it off her and give it to him? It's so frustrating!
Aptest (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZnXop3H4,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T18:58:06.957+0000) > > I never had any problem with getting any role in Team Builder. You must have just gotten real unlucky or chose picks that teams just really did not like. > > Team Builder was fantastic, and didn&#x27;t deserve to be removed. It was a great aspect of the game and to me it didn&#x27;t fail at all. I loved team builder, although i played very little in it. Regardless i tested all the roles multiple times, and based on my multiple tests of both wait for game and wait for players times, i stand by what i said: TB eventually became a ghost town, and that killed it.
It wasn't a ghost town to me, so I think you just had bad luck.
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Aptest (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZnXop3H4,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T12:55:18.904+0000) > > That&#x27;s why back then those picks weren&#x27;t as popular. It never took more than a few minutes for me to get a game, especially as Sej support. Team Builder was an amazing part of the game, I miss it so much. You are missing the point. As Sej support, or as Renekton support, or as ANYTHING support, you'd find a game in about 30 seconds and nobody would kick you out for going support with smite and ghost on singed. Then you'd have to wait 20 minutes for an ADC player. But as someone who wanted to play MID? or TOP? or JGL? the experience was very different. And why is this? Because games, in season 3-4, are limited by the number of supports and ADCs. And mid laners, are like grains of sand on a beach. And the problem is worsened by all the people who want their lane and their champion (usually mid) coming to TB to get this specific experience, and all the support players who want to play standard and benefit the least from "top lane doing an experimental build" having a better experience in ranked and going there. Team builder was awesome but the reasons it failed are obvious. Any system that promises lanes and roles, must either balance not the power, but the desirability of the varying roles, or else brake it's promise.
I never had any problem with getting any role in Team Builder. You must have just gotten real unlucky or chose picks that teams just really did not like. Team Builder was fantastic, and didn't deserve to be removed. It was a great aspect of the game and to me it didn't fail at all.
: What's taken the fun out of league for you?
Along with yours, mine are: 1) The switch to Runes Reforged and this awful BE system 2) My main Galio reworked into a shitty version 3) Team Builder removal 4) Karma "mini rework" then left in the dirt 5) Every time they rework AP Itemization, they end up always screwing the AP mains over and over again 6) Constant Zed buffs thanks to Riot bias 7) Games are too snowbally, one fight or one person can lose the game I know I probably have more but can't think right now. Those are my main ones though. Ugh, I wish we could go back to before season 6 :(
Leetri (EUW)
: Teambuilder was a good idea in theory, but it doesn't work in practice. Every single time I tried to play it took 10-20 minutes to find a support that wasn't just someone who wanted to play Mid but queued as Support for faster queue times. Eventually people just caved in and went with the tank Teemo support so they got to play a game that day. It took me over an hour to find a game as mid Ezreal because he wasn't the FotM at that time.
That's why back then those picks weren't as popular. It never took more than a few minutes for me to get a game, especially as Sej support. Team Builder was an amazing part of the game, I miss it so much.
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticDreams12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5thGXon,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-04-16T17:59:47.734+0000) > > No, it wouldn&#x27;t. It would be more beneficial, especially to his playerbase that was let down with this awful rework. And it would be insulting to Riot to have their hard work thrown into their face, calling it "awful". After all, Galio seemed to have been played enough to get that recent nerf of his.
Well it's the truth, the rework is awful and wasn't needed. And, they would admit they made mistakes with it by reverting it. It's not insulting to them if they realize that. And no, I saw Reportior or whatever his name is say that they are nerfing Galio just because they are nerfing his competition and expect him to be better in result of that, nothing else.
: His Q was a slow & almost non-reliable skillshot, which a lot of people can easily dodge against. Him being melee back then made his laning phase against most matchups a lot difficult for him to even cs, and his old W won't keep him alive for too long. His E makes no sense for being a "speed booster" & is nothing more than a damage spamming ability, like Zac's old Q. His ult defies the logic of how CC should have be, such as how its taunt negates all sorts of Tenacity. There's close to no counterplay if you manage to get caught in its radius, except if you have the following: - Udyr in Bear Stance. - Blitzcrank with his next AA being E. - QSS. - Any champions outside his large radius with a ranged Interrupt, like Cho's Q.
His Q had counterplay, but with skill was not that hard to hit, especially if you played him a lot like I did. That's why you picked him in AP matchups, that way you built MR and got more AP, and healed off any damage the enemy laner did. Easy peasy. Being melee didn't do much to hurt him, especially once you scaled up and could clear half a wave with Q, and got some mana regen to help if needed. His E was fun, but could've been used for a different spell. I still liked it though. With the way thing are now, it would be easy to disrupt his ult. But back then I had people who were smart and were able to displace me. Doesn't happen every time but just depends on the game. He had a lot of counterplay but was still fun to use and wasn't underpowered. I miss my old Galio :(
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