: They gassed farmers in Ionia. They collaborated with *Singed*. Their general MO is "either you let us conquer you without a fight, or we slaughter your people, and conquer what's left. Either way, you can't say no." Either way, they coerce others for their own purposes, either through threat of force, or direct application of it. No, not every single person living in the borders of the empire is out to point a crossbow at a foreigner, but that's generally how the government's run, with two of the three head rulers having had direct experience in the subjugation of others (Darius leads Noxus's most prestigious legion, Swain was one of the generals involved in the Ionian invasion, and all the atrocities it entailed). As far as bad guys go, the only entities higher up on the tier list are the Darkins and the Void. But as far as "humans you really want nothing to do with", Noxus is definitely at the top.
You could write a book about atrocities Noxus has commited. And the good noxus has done...i doubt would even fill a half a piece of paper.
: > [{quoted}](name=N Jenkins,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=G7d0g2FE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-24T23:29:17.240+0000) > > Exactly my thoughts. This is kinda like suddenly changing Mordor from being bad guys to "morally grey" people, without actually changing any of the people there. Actually there is a book that tells the story from Sauron's point of view https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer Sure its not official, but it exist and makes a lot of sense. Im not a fan of Lord of the Rings, but the orcs in the books were created by a member of a "holy race" to be basically slaves. You cant blame them for what they did. > [{quoted}](name=N Jenkins,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=G7d0g2FE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-24T23:29:17.240+0000) > > Also funny thing? I also thought Jhin was from noxus, until i realized he used a gun. Noxus don't use guns. That is ironic, because there is a Noxian champion uses a gun ({{champion:240}}) and Jhin is the only Ionian champion who uses a gun. But now i bet that you will tell me that you thought Kled was from Bandle City.
Oh my god i totally forgot about Kled. My bad.
: Someone who only plays league would never know Noxus is not evil
Personally i would be fine if Noxus was still just evil. Nothing wrong with that, this is fiction. It's the inconsistency that i get frustrated about.
Arakadia (NA)
: Very much agree. Additionally the ONE champion who was supposed to be a "see? not all Noxians are evil murderers", Riven, has effectively 0 visual tie to Noxus. And rather than proving that not all Noxians are evil, she is actually proof that Noxus is pretty evil and she only became a "good guy" after she fucking left Noxus. So the only Noxian who _isn't_ an evil murder is the one who completely disassociated herself with them.
Nailed it on the head. The only good "noxian" champion only further cements noxian as evil. If Noxus is not evil...then clearly showing that is nowhere near as important as just saying that.
Arakadia (NA)
: If someone were to actually read the lore, they will realize Noxus is not completely evil and Demacia is not completely good. However you do bring up that if you aren't a lore geek, most people (my friends are examples of this personally) tassume Noxus = bad guys. Demacia = good guys. I know a friend who is a gold Jhin main that thought Jhin was from Noxus because Noxus = bad guys and Jhin = bad guy. This issue is a lot more difficult to solve because Riot has honed the visual language for Demacia to be an angelic and noble mix of white, blue, and gold and the visual language for Noxus to be harsh black, grey, and reds. Not to mention most of Demacia, with exceptions, is made up of honorable do-gooders while the vast majority of Noxian characters (even ones raised in Ionia like Kayn) are not so nice. Like to list off the more iconic Noxians, there is a power hungry evil sorceress who manipulates the world, an undead berserk whose only purpose is war, their main leader uses demon magic, and multiple assassins. Meanwhile the more iconic Demacians are a noble and brave knight, a kind and compassionate light mage, a kind and honorable prince/king warrior, and a literal fucking angel. And so while it makes sense for Noxians to be pragmatic and ambitious, and that they should have their own visual language, Riot hasn't exactly pulled them out of the ditch that is "bad guys". I think they've done a better job with Demacia which has more complicated characters like Sylas, Kayle, Vayne, and Lucian, but Riot hasn't really done much visually to communicate that Noxus isn't objectively evil.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=G7d0g2FE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-24T22:58:45.654+0000) > > If someone were to actually read the lore, they will realize Noxus is not completely evil and Demacia is not completely good. However you do bring up that if you aren't a lore geek, most people (my friends are examples of this personally) tassume Noxus = bad guys. Demacia = good guys. I know a friend who is a gold Jhin main that thought Jhin was from Noxus because Noxus = bad guys and Jhin = bad guy. > > This issue is a lot more difficult to solve because Riot has honed the visual language for Demacia to be an angelic and noble mix of white, blue, and gold and the visual language for Noxus to be harsh black, grey, and reds. Not to mention most of Demacia, with exceptions, is made up of honorable do-gooders while the vast majority of Noxian characters (even ones raised in Ionia like Kayn) are not so nice. Like to list off the more iconic Noxians, there is a power hungry evil sorceress who manipulates the world, an undead berserk whose only purpose is war, their main leader uses demon magic, and multiple assassins. Meanwhile the more iconic Noxians are a noble and brave knight, a kind and compassionate light mage, a kind and honorable prince/king warrior, and a literal fucking angel. > > And so while it makes sense for Noxians to be pragmatic and ambitious, and that they should have their own visual language, Riot hasn't exactly pulled them out of the ditch that is "bad guys". I think they've done a better job with Demacia which has more complicated characters like Sylas, Kayle, Vayne, and Lucian, but Riot hasn't really done much visually to communicate that Noxus isn't objectively evil. Exactly my thoughts. This is kinda like suddenly changing Mordor from being bad guys to "morally grey" people, without actually changing any of the people there. No, this is infact even worse than that, cuz the two noxians who have gotten reworks and such...are still objectively evil, power hungry and murderers. Once again the "Noxus is totally not evil, for realsies". At this point i just don't believe you, cuz even when you have a chance to make your characters less evil, you don't. In fact, cuz of the noxian champions, i sorta am starting to believe the claims of Noxus not being evil was in fact, Written by Noxian's as propaganda! (yeah that's probably not true but it makes more sense than this!) Also funny thing? I also thought Jhin was from noxus, until i realized he used a gun. Noxus don't use guns.
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: Teamfight Tactics patch 9.16 notes
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So are we EVER gonna get rewards?
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Me too. Whats happening?
Kei143 (NA)
: They aren't adding all the champs. After 3 months, the current set of champs will be cycled out and a new set of champs will be added. Even if they use the same champs, they'll use other skins to make it have different origins and skill sets (like how Bilgwater TF is a pirate sorcerer)
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=haqL25e9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T23:48:32.258+0000) > > They aren't adding all the champs. After 3 months, the current set of champs will be cycled out and a new set of champs will be added. > > Even if they use the same champs, they'll use other skins to make it have different origins and skill sets (like how Bilgwater TF is a pirate sorcerer) oh really? i didnt know that. Must have missed it. Thanks.
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: Because he was not key to the story. Shen and Zed grew up together and are rivals. Shen trained Akali for years before she got fed up and left. Kennen as it stands was not highly important for any of the 3. What we do get is mention of him in Akali's bio and her having a line or 2 for him in game.
> [{quoted}](name=Lintu Puck,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hRW6W7Pc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-30T20:45:33.649+0000) > > Because he was not key to the story. > Shen and Zed grew up together and are rivals. > Shen trained Akali for years before she got fed up and left. > Kennen as it stands was not highly important for any of the 3. > What we do get is mention of him in Akali's bio and her having a line or 2 for him in game. I do disagree with that notion. Kennen is still part of the trio, and is technically even more important than Akali cuz, for all we know, he is the only student still there. Or at least the only one we know by name.
: Riot has been avoiding yordles for a long time, almost none of them are mentioned in the lore... Unless the yordle its a new champion (Kled), or recieved a VU (Tristana, Poppy, Heimer), the only exception is Ziggs and even considering that, the lore of those champions are not really that updated in comparison with other champs.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hRW6W7Pc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-30T20:17:43.244+0000) > > Riot has been avoiding yordles for a long time, almost none of them are mentioned in the lore... Unless the yordle its a new champion (Kled), or recieved a VU (Tristana, Poppy, Heimer), the only exception is Ziggs and even considering that, the lore of those champions are not really that updated in comparison with other champs. Yeah i have noticed that too, and i honestly think it sucks. Especially For Kennen, who is the only Yordle who is part of an actual non-yordle organization. (aside from Kled, but he is more of a comedic character). It sucks especially considering How iconic the trio of Shen, Akali and Kennen are. They compliment each other so well.
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PalPlays (NA)
: I think you should give her announcement another read. She has not been corrupted by the void at all. Instead she jumped inside of the skin of a Voidborn to ESCAPE corruption. Hence why her theme is one of becoming one with her suit and becoming stronger because of it. I think that your expectations are something completely different which is why this champion reveal disappoints you.
> [{quoted}](name=PalPlays,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dmIzTEKQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-20T19:48:39.410+0000) > > I think you should give her announcement another read. She has not been corrupted by the void at all. Instead she jumped inside of the skin of a Voidborn to ESCAPE corruption. Hence why her theme is one of becoming one with her suit and becoming stronger because of it. > > I think that your expectations are something completely different which is why this champion reveal disappoints you. Ok but...it doesn't cover her entire body, u kno? So...what use is it?
GenoXx (NA)
: Can we not just judge the new champion based on her looks before anything gets properly revealed?
My Issue is not that she's attaractive. My issue is that it makes no sense. Even if she could master the void Et cetera, Why would she leave ANY part of her body uncovered? That would just allow the void to corrupt her!
: Concerning Kai'Sa and Character Design
I definetly have to agree. Maybe she is not suppoused to look corrupted, but It just looks like a suit! You also what doesn't make me think of a void hunter, or a symbiotic creature, or Horrific fusion of costume and human? Cleavage. Seriously, if her goal was to survive, why would she cut the creature she wears so she could show off ANY skin?
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Cloud273 (NA)
: Why is it so hard to just make a decent game without sh*tty in game purchases?
> [{quoted}](name=Cloud273,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BqkQLopL,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-10-17T21:32:41.427+0000) > > Why is it so hard to just make a decent game without sh*tty in game purchases? Cuz it's all about the dough. Nothing else matters. NOTHING.
: Theme: Animal - Human partnership {{champion:20}} and Javelin hunter {{champion:429}}{{champion:76}} aren't that new but let's see what you got. Niche: It is an interesting idea to combine support and ADC by giving two champions the ability to fuse, but I think it's highly restrictive in that regard (Can't play solo forces champion to be played that way etc.) and I honestly feel it's a chore to balance (weakness of ADC is lack of tankyness and weakness of Tank is lack of damage, but here you combine both to basically disable the flaws) --- >Passive: COMBO BREAKER No seriously get some AS and Damage on Hama and Frozen Mallet and Spirit Visage on Rolka and you can shred Tanks while healing yourself silly. >From experience it also feels less impactfull to have a percentage increase than a flat proc (people don't really notice that they dealt X% more damage, but feel good when they activate a mark that explodes beutifully and deals far less damage) >I also feel that this passive is hit or miss since you get countered by mobility hard, but once you have a target that can't run you are almost guarenteed to kill him. --- Hama >Q: {{champion:68}} E ? W: I kinda dislike the range scaling as it only is impactfull when you ride Rolka. The fact that you can chain the stun is nice, but even Kalista has only 2 seconds on her passive proc so maybe make the timeframe shorter. E: Her bread and butter... which makes it strange that it is an ability you need to unlock first. I know it's for balance sake, but why does mounting and using a ballista **reduce** your damage ? It just feels wrong :I R: Only usable when mounted :( And suddenly her passive becomes much more powerfull. Nonetheless it is an interesting ability which I think we could see in the game eventually. Depending on the type of ability this could also be used as a semi Skarner ult which feels a bit wrong (Rolka pulling Nautilus along...) so maybe only keep the no mobility spells while binded aspect which already is very powerfull against a lot of champions. Rolka >Q: {{champion:150}} E + {{champion:58}} ? Sounds weird to see a champion jump while another champion rides him... BTW "and slams his fists into the ground" how exactly is Hama riding him ? W: {{champion:48}} + Stun What kind of bite does he have that he stuns :P (Don't say it I know it's his bad breath) E: {{champion:51}} W ? Don't know where the slow comes from, but the shield is pretty basic. R:.... Don't have anything either. ---- Overall: I kinda get the feeling that making those two into one champion like Nunu would work better (permamounted or controlled pet that you can mount at will). Since both feel very weak and boring alone, but can be devestating when played together correctly. The Fun you have playing them will most likely not exceed the frustation enemies will have against a champion that has ADC attacks, a Tanks sustain, the ability to prevent you from running away R, good chase tools (Q and W) and little counterplay when both are full built.
I quess you are right. I just feel like we could something new in the adc's we recieve. But prehaps this idea is a bit too harsh on balance and gameplay concepts to be used.
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Jynx (NA)
: Braum’s Birthday Bash!
I DEMAND THAT CHEF SKIN TO BE MADE INTO AN ACTUAL SKIN!

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