Aterpater (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Naalith,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9ViAm0VT,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-11-18T16:27:46.851+0000) > > I am pissed that Riot has loot boxified their whole system, but it is pretty different. Champions in League are (theoretically) all relatively balanced to one another. EA on the other hand is already charging people $60 up front and then expect to get a shit load more off of loot boxes which are entirely pay to win. > > I don't think acquiring champions with money is pay to win because even if you're doing something off meta like 99% of champions in the game can be competitive. EA is selling raw stats. It would be like if Riot was selling +40 AD boosters in the store that made whoever equipped it have objectively higher stats than someone who doesn't have that upgrade. > > That being said, even though it isn't pay to win it is annoying, especially because they seemed to have reduced key fragments which really blows as well as BE gain, which also really blows. It isn't about that at all, at least not from the recent legal perspective. The price - if any - of the base game doesn't matter. Nor that the stuff what you can get worth it or not. The problem is that it's designed around psyhology of gambling and collector's instinct. Like, even if you can't care less, there will be people spending nonsense amount of money on a game, just to get that rare loot-only chroma what doesn't even look good. And underage people are exceptionally vulnerable to these kind of temptations, this is why this practice is even more disgusting in video games and why you can't get into real life gambling just as an adult. And this is why real life gambling has very strict legal control. And even if you say that you can't buy these boxes, you can buy mystery champ shards and xp boosts and such, so the system is connected to money, and the new system is designed to encourage you to buy a lot of these. The problem lies in the basic idea, not the actual value of the loot. And I think it's pretty sad how some white knights can't see further than their noses... Do you guys really think that Riot would replace all of its business model and invest all of the money and work in this if it wasn't a very very advantageous change for their revenue? Like seriously?
> [{quoted}](name=Aterpater,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9ViAm0VT,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-11-18T16:51:29.998+0000) > > It isn't about that at all, at least not from the recent legal perspective. The price - if any - of the base game doesn't matter. Nor that the stuff what you can get worth it or not. The problem is that it's designed around psyhology of gambling and collector's instinct. Like, even if you can't care less, there will be people spending nonsense amount of money on a game, just to get that rare loot-only chroma what doesn't even look good. > And underage people are exceptionally vulnerable to these kind of temptations, this is why this practice is even more disgusting in video games and why you can't get into real life gambling just as an adult. And this is why real life gambling has very strict legal control. > And even if you say that you can't buy these boxes, you can buy mystery champ shards and xp boosts and such, so the system is connected to money, and the new system is designed to encourage you to buy a lot of these. > > The problem lies in the basic idea, not the actual value of the loot. And I think it's pretty sad how some white knights can't see further than their noses... Do you guys really think that Riot would replace all of its business model and invest all of the money and work in this if it wasn't a very very advantageous change for their revenue? Like seriously? Maybe some reading comprehension classes would help you out. I'm not "white knighting" the system, I said I don't like it. I just said it isn't pay to win like Battlefront, which is why there hasn't been as big of a backlash.
: Riot adds lootboxes.. nobody says anything...
I am pissed that Riot has loot boxified their whole system, but it is pretty different. Champions in League are (theoretically) all relatively balanced to one another. EA on the other hand is already charging people $60 up front and then expect to get a shit load more off of loot boxes which are entirely pay to win. I don't think acquiring champions with money is pay to win because even if you're doing something off meta like 99% of champions in the game can be competitive. EA is selling raw stats. It would be like if Riot was selling +40 AD boosters in the store that made whoever equipped it have objectively higher stats than someone who doesn't have that upgrade. That being said, even though it isn't pay to win it is annoying, especially because they seemed to have reduced key fragments which really blows as well as BE gain, which also really blows.
Engelin (NA)
: To encourage box purchases, of course!
> [{quoted}](name=Engelin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6WqPuZIR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-17T22:17:04.190+0000) > > To encourage box purchases, of course! Naw man, it's definitely because Riot wants people to have a sense of pride and accomplishment wasting their currency on the emote. /s
Rioter Comments
XxKezzxX (NA)
: Working as intended
Resolve is a very good tree on Kha'Zix, you are in good hands my friend.
: Is Evelynn Bad?
No, especially with the new runes. I can reliably one shot any character in the game with Evelynn at a certain point after like two items, and I mean ANY character unless they have a Zhonya's or escape. Late game you can also forgo using charm on squishies and just walk up and Q, then E and Q a second time and they instantly die. She's insane.
: Ezreal walked into a lane.
Kindred, a ranged jungler who is designed to jungle is pretty good - WE MUST GUT THEM AND DO A REWORK THAT RUINS THE PLAYSTYLE. Ezreal, an ADC/mid lane/whatever stupid playstyle can be abused at the time is a top tier jungle for months and does 5x the damage Kindred did at the most OP -hehe xd preseason is in 3 months so it's okay, and then we still won't change it, and then he'll have a SECOND top tier Kleptomancy build that relies on RNG lulul But real talk though, Ez abuses some stupid item and it takes months for anything to happen, so frustrating.
: [Gameplay] Xin Zhao's W spell description does not specify what damage type it is.
I have a fix for you: use the spell a single time on a minion or monster, then when the number comes up orange or purple you know what type of damage it is!
Rioter Comments
: Why are jungle mains so bad at league of legends?
Translation: Why did I shove lane into enemy tower and get ganked by the enemy jungler to my demise several times, then say they were better because our jungler is helping more promising laners?
Slythion (NA)
: ...why are you restricted from making custom rune pages until level 11
Bro, I started playing League in season 1 and I must admit the tutorial and feedback systems were absolute trash cans at the time, but that being said, I literally had no idea what was happening until I was maybe level 25 or so, and that was BEFORE they reduced the XP to 30 several times. Yes, the tutorials are (slightly) better these days and bot modes are actually helpful to newcomers, but if I was level 25 playing Tryndamere/Katarina duo mid lane and Janna/Old Galio duo top lane with my buddy at level 25 just imagine with a level 11 would be doing. The premade pages aren't even that bad (besides the unsealed spellbook one) for new players to use, it's not like anyone level 11 who isn't a smurf or MOBA expert from another game would want to maximize their potential at that level via runes anyways.
: So, Riot just forced us to buy Mastery pages
Yup, I knew this was gonna be a problem a couple months ago so I bought some with RP, figuring at least I'd get that cool icon and ward skin and some epic champion shards for buying them with RP. Well guess what, I did it a couple weeks into September, and in the fine print somewhere on a single page where they announced it they said it was only for pages bought before September first. Screw me, I guess. No epic shards or wards or icons for me.
Odenmaru (NA)
: That feel when a youtuber whose uploads you regularly listen to gets nuked
: Aery Trolled My Zilean Ultimate
I don't think it's a bug, but it also shouldn't work that way. Aery doesn't need a shield or heal, you just need to click on your ally. Nami E and Morde W are some examples I found that throw Aery on someone. That being said, that should definitely be changed because that's BS lol.
: I want her passive back, the one where you gain health on basic attacks if you moved around. That's one of the key features that made me say "Oh, that's the one champion I'm going to OTP!". I didn't play her *at all* after her garbage tier update.
> [{quoted}](name=Nato Boram,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=A8JvasYB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-09T21:46:18.061+0000) > > I want her passive back, the one where you gain health on basic attacks if you moved around. That's one of the key features that made me say "Oh, that's the one champion I'm going to OTP!". I didn't play her *at all* after her garbage tier update. Yeah the old passive was amazing, but you know how it goes. If your champ isn't popular Riot decides to do "balance neutral" changes that butcher the feel of your character just so lower ranked people can have a 5% higher winrate with them and people who are really good don't win as much.
Felax (NA)
: Zilean's lost story
Yeah, it really sucks because I think {{champion:26}} probably has the most potential for a story out of all the old champions who don't have updated lore yet. If you've been reading the new stuff they've come out with over the last two or three years, there's some insanely good stuff in there and I really want a Zilean story to be on that level. Whether he is a real time traveler or still has a thing where he can see all time periods at once, there is so much you can do there. Who knows, maybe he can even see alternate timelines such as the previous League of Legends lore. I do think the Rune Wars still happened though, if you read Ryze's lore he is actually collecting the Runes people were using to decimate the planet so that they can't do it anymore.
Rioter Comments
Cohérent (EUW)
: Will the new runes be locked behind the levelling system like old runes and masteries or not?
Not if you're 30, I think if you're like under level 5 or 10 or something you have to use the presets but since you are 30 it should be no issue.
: There are too many champions with toxic play patterns in this game - Zoe just adds to the problem
I honestly don't think Zoe is going to be as bad as you think. Her biggest damage ability can be body blocked like Caitlyn's ult AND can be missed as it's a skillshot, minions block all her spells, she has to be right next to the enemy to pick up their summoner spell shards. She can't just roll up like Syndra and Veigar and instagib people either, she has to set up and that can give teammates time to save Zoe's victim. Also, I think some of the champions you mentioned aren't even that bad. You missed Nunu and jungle Ez
: Brace Yourselves: Runes Are Coming
FYI, if you don't want to keep your rune box open in game you can just press C to quickly take a glance, exactly like how you check your range, lifesteal, and hidden character stats currently :)
Rockman (NA)
: CertainlyT is a handsome man
He's like that old hair commercial for aging men where it's like "not too white, not too black, but just the right amount of grey." Wowee.
NiamhNyx (NA)
: Just flash your 2500 hour emote in their face and watch their jaws drop.
> [{quoted}](name=NiamhNyx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EFA9pHgW,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-07T19:31:53.230+0000) > > Just flash your 2500 hour emote in their face and watch their jaws drop. Lol, I'll just have to spam Judgement Kayle games so they know what's up.
: As a jungler i am sick of being flamed from the very start of the game
As a jungle main of 5 years, I know the pain. Seems like no matter what happens you get blamed for the lanes losing, even if they lost in a 1v1 to their opponent or even if you camp them but they just are not good at helping you gank.
: based on how shit the game has been for a good majority of the season, the older players might trickle back slowly, based on how good the rune system is
> [{quoted}](name=Mortekaiser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EFA9pHgW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-07T19:20:35.683+0000) > > based on how shit the game has been for a good majority of the season, the older players might trickle back slowly, based on how good the rune system is Yeah, I've been playing since season 1 and the rune system has been my least favorite thing about the game for a long time. I am worried about weird off-builds being destroyed by the new rune system, but overall I think it's looking promising from what I've played on PBE.
Rioter Comments
Reav3 (NA)
: He is currently working on very early ideation for a VGU. :)
I pray to God the 4 polygon abomination known as Nunu is that VGU (and that it gets released).
: > [{quoted}](name=Jackalopeer,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9yPPbUKH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-07T01:00:22.980+0000) > > I'm aware. But 2 and Half minutes about Ezreal get annoying very quickly. He doesn't need that much attention. You aren't going to literally hear her go on for two and a half minutes every time there's an Ezreal in front of her. It only annoyed you that much because you watched the video long enough.
> [{quoted}](name=My Pet Dinosaur,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9yPPbUKH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-07T01:02:26.253+0000) > > You aren't going to literally hear her go on for two and a half minutes every time there's an Ezreal in front of her. It only annoyed you that much because you watched the video long enough. Ehh, I would argue that all those Ez and Lux lines were in lieu of lines she could've had for Pantheon, Taric, etc., which would have been much more interesting but that's just me.
: whats the MUST rush item gor gnar?
Yeah that's what I do. If I'm getting punched in the noggin I'll sometimes go Randuin's before one of those instead but in most cases those two are always first.
Korios (EUNE)
: Donuts exist in Runeterra....
The most important lore reveal of all time.
Meddler (NA)
: Zoe's targetable and vulnerable to damage throughout her ult.
Can she cancel her return R through any means? Like can she flash, Zhonya's, or Cleanse to cancel the return?
Santozed (EUW)
: Are Zoe's W and R inverted in her reveal or...?
I mean, think of it like Quinn, Corki, Jax, Kog'Maw, etc. The ultimate doesn't have to be an absolute power house but it DOES have a really low cooldown and greatly enhances the feel and playstyle of the kit post level 6. And her W is interesting to say the least, it's definitely crazy but you are definitely going to get less summoner spells than normal ability casts if she just had a normal spell.
Elipo (NA)
: Noxus and noxus champions in generall. I mean runeterra's lore has been heavily retconned and Noxus doesn't have an update to go with that yet.
I have a feeling that we are in for a treat when the raven tyrant is re-released.
: We've all accepted that the game is unbalanced, and it's time to change that.
The biggest balance swing of League's history is on Wednesday lol, and while it won't be balanced whatsoever it will have a bunch of new stuff to play with and move the meta quite a bit. Also, the current meta isn't half bad aside from hypercarries having really good early games and the nuisance known as Ezreal jungle, but you clearly haven't been around for a while if you think it's worse now than it ever has been. I'd also like to say, and I'm not shaming you here, that you are at a rank where the meta literally doesn't mean much at all. Even in Gold and Platinum where I'm usually at you can get away with carrying entire games with an off-meta pick, you don't have to follow the meta to a T until you are high diamond. Of course it helps, but if you are slightly above average on a certain character or strategy then bam, you can beat the meta.
k wìx (NA)
: Why are all the Ward-themed masteries in the Domination Path?
Well think of it this way - Precision - Pretty solidly a tree for ADCs and auto based fighters Sorcery - Basically for mages or a secondary tree for someone with spell amplification Resolve - Pretty solidly a tank tree, but has a bunch of surviveability tools including for use on allies Inspiration - Really weird stuff that you can creatively use to get some cheese on your opponents Nowhere in here is vision included, although they could've put it in inspiration that would basically force all supports into that tree as either a primary or a secondary. In the Domination tree, a tree used a bunch by junglers and assassins however, map control and vision is important so they can keep eyes on the enemy jungle camps, kill wards when they come to gank and replace them with vision, etc. It also doubles as a pretty great secondary tree for supports because both assassins and supports are interested in vision. If I were to give a simple rundown of Domination like I did for the other trees I would say Domination - A tree for assassins and junglers with vision control, creative ways to get around the map, and access to burst potential. Take out the last part and it's everything a support would want for a secondary tree. :)
: The other day, I had a 65 minute game. It was nuts.
Haha yeah man, I think the longest game I've ever had was 92 minutes long and we eventually won it. It was hilarious too because we were all playing new champs as a 5 man in normals so there is no way in hell we should've pulled it off but we did, it was great.
Rioter Comments
: What champions have no real lore that you believe have a lot of potential?
{{champion:26}} , there is SO MUCH damn potential in this character. They'll probably have to give him a VGU one day and I'm ready for his new lore. His lore is already horrifying, eerie, and pretty mysterious but given the cosmic nature of the universe we now know about as well as the Void wars, Rune Wars, etc., there's so much that can be done with Zilean. Runner up is {{champion:161}} , I love how instead of being hungry for food like all the other Voidlings he is hungry for knowledge, especially about {{champion:26}} .
: Crazy how people actually don't get banned for getting boosted
He might not be boosting. I had over an 85% winrate on Kayn until I hit Gold 1 or so, and even now after getting into Platinum I'm still sitting at like 69% on him. There's a bunch of people like me who absolutely hate playing ranked and avoid it at all costs, but when they finally start they rank up super fast and I've been on 20+ game win streaks before. Unless this is a Diamond 1 or above player, high winrates don't mean they're boosting, it just means they haven't reached their appropriate rank yet.
Reiizm (NA)
: Can we have a less confident champion?
AL000 (NA)
: full tank item built champion
{{champion:516}} can be super effective buying exclusively tank items. I have him t o level 7 and I only build tank items, unless you count {{item:3025}} as an offensive item but I do not.
: With Zoe's champion title, 'Aspect of Twilight'...
Depends on the lore. I really like Taric's "Protector of Valoran" title because it's so central to both his character and the Aspect's combined. Diana being the Scorn of the Moon makes sense to me because before she had powers she still worshipped the moon and felt at home with it, so the entire first half of her lore before the gains powers is summarized in her title way better than Aspect of the Moon. Pantheon's title is outdated and he'll probably get a full VGU, but I think Aspect of War is pretty boring. Unlike the other aspects, Pantheon basically kills and fully possesses his host, in addition to his enslavement of Aurelion, so I think something like "The Wrath of the Stars" would be better for him. Interested to read the new champion's lore though, I do think it's a little weird they went with such a bland "Aspect of Twilight" title unless she herself is actually the Aspect, unlike Diana, Leona, and Taric who gain their powers from an Aspect who works with them symbiotically.
: Step 1: Play draft pick Step 2: Ban him
Not everyone likes draft pick, blind pick is fun because you can actually play champions that aren't currently in the meta and still have a pretty good chance of winning as long as you're good. In draft pick your champ might get banned, then you might be first pick so you just get hard countered, then there's the pressure of everyone wanting you to pick the same 2 champions per role over and over. Blind pick is chaos, and it's really really fun.
: I suspect a part of it is that Udyr and Lux are relatively niche champions in the modern meta, so when you see them, they tend to be diehard one-tricks (like me) who diverted all of their skin money onto buying the ultimate skins.
Oh for sure. I think it's literally been years since I've seen Udyr's base skin (thank god), like 75% of the time it's Spirit Guard and 25% of the time it's the dressup skin. Your icon is for the best Lux form, btw, I like it.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 3
Were all of the Evelynn PBE changes reverted? While I thought that the E AD ratio basically forces Gunblade on her, the ult change with reduced cooldown and re-entering stealth was awesome. Also I love how Lux's second biggest word is "skin," everybody just associates Lux with Elementalist now same with Udyr's ultimate skin haha.
: Your two highest mastery point champions swap passives
Kayn and Kindred Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know what this means for either of them.
: Then we should be able to pick from our Mastery 6/7 pool what champion will be on our profile, not what we've played the most recently.
> [{quoted}](name=Triistana,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IA8RRJpN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-02T21:31:29.839+0000) > > Then we should be able to pick from our Mastery 6/7 pool what champion will be on our profile, not what we've played the most recently. Also agreed. I made a post a long time ago when the new client was coming out that I thought it would be cool if we could get choose which level 7 champion to have on our profile, and have it be the animated login screen version so you could have a dope animated background like ultimate skins but not requiring equipping the stupid icon. Every champion and rework after Lulu has an animated login, and of course for champs without an animated one you can still pick their splash art as the background.
Rioter Comments
: Aren't ward skins detrimental?
Not gonna lie, I've thought about this before, but honestly I basically never memorize who has which ward skin even though I should. 99% of the time it wouldn't matter and that 1% of the time where someone might put a ward from over a wall while you're in a bush, you have to ask yourself would you honestly remember in that split second which ward player was using that specific ward skin. For me it would be no, especially when events like the new Deathsworn ward or Star Guardian ward are around and multiple people are using the same thing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Naalith,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=JREnBtb9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-01T23:42:30.353+0000) > > I don't even play Rengar and this is amazing. Mini-reworks miss the mark so often it's absurd. I was genuinely happy that I heard Karma was getting mini-reworked but after what you said I realize how bad many mini-reworks are. There's no way they can make Karma's kit even more awkward... Can they?
I dunno mini-reworks usually are just bad. Mid to large scale stuff I'm cool with 90% of the time but I freaking hate it when they see a champ is OP and they go "lul it's totally a buff guys we are just changing the playstyle so it's more inclusive to all players." It ruins the playstyle for people who mained that champion and the only reason they have a higher winrate is because lower skill level people can now play them without dying a bunch. The biggest example of this is Kindred, who was a super unique Kog'Maw-esque tank shredder and then got "reworked" into a normal ADC that can be countered like a normal ADC and also can't snowball games anymore. Janna got a similar treatment, and she's actually stronger now but her playstyle is off. Also Rek'Sai, where they halved her frequency of tremor sense and made her ult a standard damage ult. Sure, it's easy to balance, but now good players don't stand out and you can't hard carry games as much. Tl;DR, Karma is a champion a lot of people care about so I hope she doesn't lose all her unique flavor like the champions I listed above.
: 15-Day Suspension
5 man premade or no?
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