: on the note of people saying lissandra needs buffs.
Well she tends to be taken mid lane, where most champions are ranged. If they want her to be a mage, they need to treat her kit like one and not some close ranged bruiser style of spamming low CD spells with almost no range. I personally think she needs a small VGU. Being a CC bot doesn't warrant being trash at everything else.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d5ZpAzyP,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T19:15:37.544+0000) > > I didn't say they were your intentions :). You said that. Well why would you post "Being super nice on boards doesn't help your honor level in any way!" in the first place? Maybe it's the fact that you don't believe me because I was banned for being toxic and trying to regain honor by posting on the boards and putting up a facade to earn extra honor would somehow work you would bring up something obnoxious such as your "fun-fact" to remind me of something utterly useless. Everyone knows that the only way to get honors is after every game. I don't want to assume that and jump to any conclusions so that's why I addressed your post and to state my intentions just in case some confused minds would be questioning on why I'm doing this.
> [{quoted}](name=BeastMode Mikey,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d5ZpAzyP,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T20:16:00.026+0000) > > Well why would you post "Being super nice on boards doesn't help your honor level in any way!" in the first place? Maybe it's the fact that you don't believe me because I was banned for being toxic and trying to regain honor by posting on the boards and putting up a facade to earn extra honor would somehow work you would bring up something obnoxious such as your "fun-fact" to remind me of something utterly useless. Everyone knows that the only way to get honors is after every game. I don't want to assume that and jump to any conclusions so that's why I addressed your post and to state my intentions just in case some confused minds would be questioning on why I'm doing this. I posted it as a friendly reminder, you're taking it so defensively. Not accusing you of it, just felt it was relevant to what the post was about. However I'd never imply those were your intentions, everyone has their own reasons and it's not polite to assume.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d5ZpAzyP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-20T18:22:38.467+0000) > > Fun fact: Being super nice on boards doesn't help your honor level in any way! Not saying those were the intentions, but just letting you know! Not surprised. In some way shape or form, there's always that skeptical person who believes when they see something that is probably too good to be true, it usually is haha. In this case, a "positive" person leaving a positive message in general discussion is probably too good to be true and would want something in exchange for so called positive message. Such as an honor boost. No intentions in that direction. My only intention is to provide healthy, and positive practices for the masses to win.
> [{quoted}](name=BeastMode Mikey,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d5ZpAzyP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T18:37:11.640+0000) > > Not surprised. In some way shape or form, there's always that skeptical person who believes when they see something that is probably too good to be true, it usually is haha. In this case, a "positive" person leaving a positive message in general discussion is probably too good to be true and would want something in exchange for so called positive message. Such as an honor boost. No intentions in that direction. My only intention is to provide healthy, and positive practices for the masses to win. I didn't say they were your intentions :). You said that.
: After being banned during Feb my honor lvl went down to 0. But now it's progressing. :')
Fun fact: Being super nice on boards doesn't help your honor level in any way! Not saying those were the intentions, but just letting you know!
Poske (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6Ak4hV1N,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T16:24:49.457+0000) > > It doesn't matter if they admit to it, there needs to be other proof, as odd as that sounds. Or else any streamer who fucks up on stream and goes "I'm trolling", which for them means "I messed up" would get banned for admitting to trolling. Yeah it doesnt work like that Try confessing you murdered someone at curt tell me how it goes same principle Reggardless evidance is them not playing like master tier players
A murder case and an account sharing case are two different things. Someone disconnects and I go “Ha, I DDos’d him” to troll doesn’t make it true. Also, In fact, it does work that way now that I think about it. You can’t just admit to murdering someone. The case doesn’t just end. There’s still an in depth investigation to see if you’re telling the truth or if you’re taking the fall for someone else. You would get in trouble for lying under oath perhaps, but not for murder if it was found you didn’t do it. And not playing like master tier players, I’m sure you encounter horribly performing players in masters all the time that didn’t play like masters. Happens all the time in every elo, including challenger. Riot won’t ban them on account of a game or two. If they see a pattern they’ll take action.
Poske (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6Ak4hV1N,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-04-16T16:57:24.126+0000) > > I mean, people can say what they want in chat. I can say "I'm scripting." and I can be reported, but nothing will happen. You need more than words to be guilty of something. They openly admitted account sharing Of course intelligent accoung sharer ll never do this but..
It doesn't matter if they admit to it, there needs to be other proof, as odd as that sounds. Or else any streamer who fucks up on stream and goes "I'm trolling", which for them means "I messed up" would get banned for admitting to trolling.
Poske (EUNE)
: I just witnessed 2 accounts being shared 2 games in a row
I mean, people can say what they want in chat. I can say "I'm scripting." and I can be reported, but nothing will happen. You need more than words to be guilty of something.
: I was comparing Lux to other supports because she is receiving many buffs in those areas. The shield bonuses don't affect her directly, only allies. I've got a feeling support Lux will be seen more often after these changes, she'll be very strong, and other supports who could once go even with her will need some attention as well. <3 These are my thoughts and I wanted to share them with the League community! <3
Her W is the only thing applied to support. Her ult buffs are for mid lane, unless you’re saying lux is meant to take the kills bot. Lux buffs don’t excuse buffing other supports. She’s one of the worst supports and needs these buffs to even contend with the likes of sona, Nami and Janna. The same thing lux is getting on her W, nami basically has, sona has, and Janna has. Riot just seems to be tired of people defaulting lux support because they can’t support and losing games.
: Someone tell me the point of soloque again.
Lol, so you think because when you played this game at a terrible point of balance and a tiny champion pool you are above everyone else? You want to go back to the days of 1v5? How is that balance? It’s a team game. You can still carry, but it’s not do well and take out an entire team. You can take the lead and run with it, but you can’t be 1500g ahead and lol into the enemy team and come out fine. Coordinate with your team and press your advantage. Stay in EUNE, kid. No one wants season 2 league again.
: How do I play against Tanks/Assassins bot?
You have a support. That’s literally it. That’s literally all you need. A defensive support and you can’t die with the 10 shields and heals they can provide through proper itemization. If you want to personally do something, phantom dancer/death’sdance. GA.
k wìx (NA)
: With the exception of a few abilities, buffs that get applied mid-animation or during 'spell travel' time WILL affect the ability or auto in question. Fun-fact: This works for damage-over-time abilities and debuffs as well. **Example: Exhausting a Zed that has ulted and ignited a target will reduce the damage of BOTH abilities in real time, even if he has already applied them and the player is 'waiting' to die. ** The only exception I can think of right now is Nami's Tidecaller Buff - this wont affect current autos in motion, as the buff simply enchants 'the next 3 auto attacks'.
Exhaust doesn’t reduce ignite damage. True damage cannot be reduced in any manner in the game. The stated number will happen no matter how much damage reduction you have. Only invulnerability stops true damage, and in some cases (fountain laser) it does not.
Juill (EUNE)
: Banned for leaving during champ select?!?
Most likely your connection cut out, probably not them. Also, it’s not a ban. It’s a dodge penalty. Way different. I went into this thinking you got a 14 day for dodging.
: STOP BANNING DECLARED PICKS
Then you pick something squishier. You build squishier. Your LP is never worth giving into bullies. If someone is trying to force you to play their game, say fuck it and spite them. Clearly they care way more than you, so you have the power. They want to ruin your fun, ruin theirs. It’s not trolling if you try and make it work. I’m not saying throw, but try it out. Win win situation. Either you win with your fun pick and get to laugh at your teammate for being an asshole And gain lp, or you lose and know he’s raging to his friends about him being in silver because of trolls.
: Lux doesn't need all these buffs, but since she's getting them...
Why are we comparing lux to supports for balance? She’s only picked as support when someone is auto filled and doesn’t want to play a real support. These buffs are meant for mid lane. Even the shield buff, which is seemingly for bot lane, is also meant just as much for mid lane. Sona’s heal and shield isn’t a skill shot, lower CD, and can reliably affect more targets than Lux. Nami’s heal already heals and dies huge damage in lane. Janna never needs another buff again. She is already the ultimate peel for an ADC. She was one of the top performing supports and champions for many seasons. It would be appropriate to maybe review her in season 10.
: Zoe, Malzahar, or LeBlanc?
Malzahar. Super easy and brain dead, can make brain dead catches, has brain dead peel. Brain dead farming. Super effective at all stages of the game.
Poske (EUNE)
: I dont even feel like Duskblade is nerfed
The idea is that assassins shouldn’t be forced to rely on an item to be relevant, which is what duskblade was. Nerf the item, buff the champions and then it’s easier to balance numbers from there. Also, it did not lose 30 damage. It lost 35-120. That’s pretty huge. If you don’t think that warranted buffs to assassins, who were already in a poor position, then you probably don’t have grounds to complain in the first place.
Silvër (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qlEFYEeA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-10T15:18:49.203+0000) > > It&#x27;s considered cheating. :O really?! may i see where this info is?
I'm fucking with you guys, of course it's allowed lol.
: really? why?
Silvër (NA)
: Are you allowed to switch roles while in Clash gamemode?
Nope. That's an automatic 14 day ban sadly.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ouc3N7Lb,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-05T19:02:49.172+0000) > > Because the 60 million don&#x27;t know how to play the game. It&#x27;s not right to balance around a majority of players who don&#x27;t play correctly. isn't this kinda an moronic statement to make. where do you think those pro players come from? Thin air?
They come from the 60 million pool once they are good enough and then they know balance. Granted, sure. In that entire 60 million, some non professional players have grounds to talk balance because technically there are other barriers to pro play besides skill. But the vast, super majority still shouldn’t be balanced around. And it’s the vast super majority that cry for the stupidest nerfs like master yi and Morgana Q. Plus, the loudest voices come from low Elo. Notice how it’s the champions abused in challenger and that high elo streamers talk about/pro players talk about that get nerfed. Most of boards is garbage, including me. Most of Reddit is garbage. Most of everyone is garbage. Including me. (I say this so you don’t feel the need to point out my rank as if I’m above it all.) However, if you’d like to discredit posts with insults, ill step down to your level. Isn’t it moronic that you shit out that sad excuse of a post without so much as thinking of the implications of balance and how most complaints work? I’d prefer not to play a game that is balanced around low elo garbage like me. 90% of players are below gold 5. 90%. You want the game balanced around gold? You’re delusional and should feel ashamed you even made this forum post in the first place.
: Buff Lissandra
I don't think her Q needs range. She works as an all in champion. E to go in, melee range snare. Option to melee range AOE ult. Adding durability to her would be rough because her natural build path makes it very easy for her to build durability, such as proto/RoA/Liandries. That coupled with her ult makes her pretty tanky. Buffing her damage might be tough because of her low CDs. I voted durability, but to be honest, I'm not sure durability would be good. It might make her too tanky. I feel like they could explore a new passive for her to be honest. Maybe damage dealing, maybe not. Maybe some sort of glacial shield or armor that triggers a small shield when damage is dealt so she can survive that initial reactionary damage dump when she E's into the middle of a whole team.
: Matchmaking? Or better Bullsh*tmaking? Tilted player reports his "thoughts" about "Matchmaking"
So are you saying it's fair to load an entire team of 50%+ win rate players? Think about the implications of that, that's rigging one team to win. They mix it up, especially for those climbing to see if they can actually carry or if they're getting lucky and being carried. But, go ahead and blame Riot for your rank. Your rank has nothing to do with you. Everyone in challenger paid Riot to be there, same with masters. Once you donate enough money, you'll wake up one day and your account will be in challenger.
: Brand its one assasin?
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Brand Blaze INNATE: Brand's abilities set his targets ablaze upon damaging them each second, dealing 4% of their maximum health as magic damage over 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times, for a maximum of 12% of their maximum health over the duration, and empowering his abilities against them. The damage against monsters is capped at 320. Killing an enemy that is Blaze Ablaze restores 6 - 18 (based on level) mana. Blaze 2 At 3 stacks, an area around the target is marked, which explodes after 2 seconds. All enemies struck are dealt 12% - 16% (based on level) 「 (+ 1.5% per 100 AP) 」 of their maximum health as magic damage. The explosion will still trigger if the target dies to the third ability or during the delay. Brand cannot stack Blaze more than once on enemies who have exploded in the past 4 seconds Weird, I don't know what website you're looking at but this one seems to match his passive in game. If you have any questions, I can explain any part you may find confusing. I don't see this 1,000,000 AP gain though, I think the site you're using is a fraud.
Arammus (EUW)
: i get carried in one for all and i hate it.
Uh...There's no OFA tips lol. It's just league without a meta. Just play well.
: How about a chaos patch.
So Urf, but without the memes.
Zullar (NA)
: It apperas Riot's balance team primarily focuses on pro play... if the pro's don't play Shaco he likely won't get nerfed. Just look at their nerf history the last few patches... Champs the pro's play get nerfed Ryze: 45% win rate (nerfed on 8.5 and 8.6 and now 43% win rate) Olaf: 48% win rate (nerfed 8.7) Sejuani: 48% win rate (nerfed 8.7) Meanwhile many of the highest winrate champions the pro's don't play are unchanged even though their win rate is ~53% (Shaco, Warwick, Udyr, Janna, Brand, Nami, Zyra, etc.) There are 60,000,000 active players and 100 pro's. Why do they balance for the 100 pro's and ignore the 60 million?
Because the 60 million don't know how to play the game. It's not right to balance around a majority of players who don't play correctly.
ĵcc (NA)
: buddy, even zed players know he's strong as hell, arguably too strong
Arakadia (NA)
: Thats not what people get upset about. For me it can be when he roams bot and literally one shots me before his R2 procs. Or the fact that he has the waveclear of a mage, but the safety of an assassin. Surely the ranged slow on his shadow's E isn't necessary either, for one of the safest assassins. Anyways those are just personal examples. I don't think your identifying why most people don't like Zed. And certainly calling the opposing side's arguments bitching and crying isn't good for the boards.
I mean all assassins live on a power budget. Some have CC, some have hyper mobility, some have sustain, some have stealth. Zed's power budget is pure damage and mobility on cooldown. Ekko has disengage, CC, slows, sustain. Akali has sustain, hyper stick potential, stealth. Rengar has stealth, tankiness, CC. I could go on. But Zed is just damage. Most assassins have had a phase where they were abused as tanks or alternative builds due to a problem with their kit. However, Zed has always been Zed. His kit does one thing and only one thing. And that's why Riot loves him. He's the perfect example of an assassin. Get in, get out, kill. He's bitched about, but the link still highlights his counterplay. He's always been one of the most predictable and counterplayable assassins in League. The problem is that he can be a lane pub stomp. He defeats most conventional champions 1v1, and with enough mechanics and forethought, can beat just about any champion 1v1. Solo queue is a game of pride and the desire to be the best, and having a champion that can make you look like an idiot is infuriating, but his numbers don't show anything significant besides that he's disliked. Once you dissect why he's hated, it's not a balance issue so much as a general gameplay problem. Your problem of him roaming bot is something all assassins share. Talon/Kassadin do it better. If people hate his mobility, Leblanc/Talon/Kassadin do it better. If people hate his CC, Ekko/Rengar/any assassin with CC does it better (Basically all of them but Katarina). If his burst is hated, Katarina/Talon/Rengar do it better. He's an assassin that is completely telegraphed. He can't do anything you can't see right on your screen. From where he pops out from his ult to seeing his shadows on the field. This is unlike Akali that shrouds or Talon that stealths and could just be liable to do anything in the blink of an eye. Katarina can shunpo to anyone/dagger in an instant without reaction time. He requires high coordination to play at a high level and has so much counterplay in a team setting. And yes, I refer to boards complaining as bitching and crying because Boards is a tiny percent of the game's population, and is predominantly Bronze-silver players. Most people, including me, have no place talking about balance. The fact is if Zed was a serious problem, we'd see him in the LCK or consistently in high challenger. He's not.
KoKoboto (NA)
: In response to "Stop Buffing Zed" thread and all the Zed haters
Yo, this is probably the best thing I've ever seen. It gets old basically writing all that on every post about people bitching and crying about what Riot defines as the healthiest definition of an assassin they've ever made as well as easily the most predictable. I'll be saving this, and then be ready to pull it out on the forums every time someone makes it a point to stand on my shadow at 30% health and run to the forums to cry claiming Zed is OP.
: Anivia's wall
Your Q is a dash. Normally you'd go through it, but the wall is actually a knock back from the point it spawns and then becomes normal terrain once formed. She perfectly cast it to knock you out of your dash.
: Unusual build I saw on Jhin
It's being used in pro play, it's a legit build. Don't listen to anyone that says otherwise.
: what would be the legal/social ramifications of a love potion
It would be classified as rape, as love in the sense you're talking about is a higher cognitive function evolving from sexual companionship almost exclusively unique to humans. Therefore, to force love would be rape. It would be able to be tested via blood tests and perhaps other tests depending on what the compound was made of. It really wouldn't be hard to prove. The reason is that it would not be permanent because what you feel as love is a chemical reaction in your brain, and to force love would require a constant supply of this special "potion" to keep the facade going. Eventually, someone would slip up or somehow the treatment could not be reapplied, and while the chemical effects wear off, the memories remain. The only case that it would not be rape is if a couple agreed to take it together for one reason or another, whether to keep a marriage going for kids, or for mutual gain from the relationship that is threatened by lack of emotion. Obviously it would be heavily outlawed, a black market would emerge for it, and it would just become another, more-insidious date-rape drug.
Subeez (NA)
: New Voice Chat
Yeah, much better than discord.
: this is for lol only
You're dumb, end of story.
Afr0Sam (NA)
: im going to report and mute regardless
More effort on your part than anyone else's. You'd be just as effective stabbing yourself every time someone fed in League.
Afr0Sam (NA)
: riot puts me through 3 asshat games where i have to 1v9 carry and lose then autofills me
Reporting does nothing, so don't make empty threats. Not reportable to die a few times.
Telosen (NA)
: It should go. Riot is biased though. Does electrocute help you cs? Does it help you clear jungle camps? Nope. Does Press the Attack work on blue buff? Nope. You get the point. No other keystones interact with CS in any way at all except fleet footwork.
Technically aftershock/comet will hurt minions if you hit the champion.
: i dont mean to sound rude, but if you winrate is over 50% in every single elo, dont ask for buffs...
PhtThc (EUNE)
: DO YOU FEEL DISCRIMINATED BY RIOT
Another post making me wish Riot locked out EUNE from posting on boards.
: GLP and its current status and why I think it should be changed back
It will always be another niche item designed for a select few champions because the active isn't all that good/useful for most to replace another item.
Akrid415 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FXYzuX0t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-21T15:29:11.330+0000) > > Stand in minions. He&#x27;ll hard push the lane, possibly take CS from the ADC, then gets ganked. Ganking a brand is one of the easiest ganks in the game, especially if he&#x27;s pushed. Lol, easy gank my ass. That mother fucker clicks R and your team dies. #suicideult
I mean if all 3 of you stand next to each other during the gank, sure. But if Brand and friend is pushed, jungler comes from a roughly 180-220 degree angle away from you guys, then Brand has a decision to make. Blow it all on you as you move in, or turn around and try and CC the ganker. Usually he E-Q-W's the ganker allowing you two to jump right in and kill him/ADC. But, again, if you huddle together like scouts around a campfire, you're going to die.
: We can play hypothetical scenarios all we want but the fact is that a good Brand _is_ going to land his skills _sometime._ It's pretty inevitable, he has the tools to guide his targets into his spells. W forces movement when cast, Q forces positioning behind minions, E forces positioning away from minions. Good brands *will* use this knowledge to their advantage and *will* land skills by abusing these psychological factors. That goes for any champion with a skillshot, that's why skillshots land.
Of course skill shots land, if they didn't, their projectile speed/cast animation speed would be buffed. You can't dodge them all, but your health bar is just another resource and sometimes you have to use it to win. You can dodge many, and I'm sure someone who one tricks Brand support could hit me more than I'm used to, but overall Brand is a mage support that supports pick because they don't really support and just want to do damage and carry. W forces movement, so move away from him and the W. The Q is rendered null, and then the E can either be dodged or eaten, but he doesn't max it first so it does minimal damage while shoving the wave extremely hard. I'm talking a typical middle of the lane scenario where the melee's clash, there's that gap, then ranged minions sit. If he wants to Q you, he needs to be in the bush, or above by the river. Whichever side he is on, you bait from the opposite side in the minions. I don't know if it was misinterpreted when I said stand in them like you want him to W the entire wave, no. It's mainly forcing him to W the ranged minions. If you can somehow get him to do the entire wave, fucking great. But usually it's just the back line but it's enough for a push. He will land a W here and there when you misstep or if he gets the jump on you, but overall it's obvious when he's looking to W and generally, it works. That's why Brand isn't seen too much anymore, his win rates are just barely positive, and overall isn't being looked at too much. Anyways, if they want to nerf him, they won't do it via mana. They want him mid more, not supp. He needs base damage reduction, increased scaling. Mana is easier to conserve supp than as mid, which is a good reason he's down there in the first place.
: Lol stand “in” minions. That’s how u get creepblocked and eat every W
: ***
Stand in minions so he pushes the wave and you easily dodge his long ass animation. No creep block if you have all your chromosomes in order.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FXYzuX0t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-21T15:29:11.330+0000) > > Stand in minions. He&#x27;ll hard push the lane, possibly take CS from the ADC, then gets ganked. Ganking a brand is one of the easiest ganks in the game, especially if he&#x27;s pushed. But then, in addition to the creep blocking that others noted, you have to deal with E-Explosions always being able to hit you.
Idk what to tell you, I'm just letting you know my go-to strategy versus Brand that works way more often than not. There's other directions to run than just backwards into minions. And for the E thing, you just back off when he walks forward after W. If you dodged the W, you are far enough from E's range. Creep block shouldn't be an issue, but again, I don't know what you or others are doing incorrectly.
: 1. depending on ganks in soloQ is extremely stupid. Trust me when I say that the average jungler has no concept of "overextending" or "punishing" and will continue to only farm their jungle (but somehow do it slower than the enemy jungler who not only outfarms your jungler but also ganks). 2. he's literally just going to harass you under tower. That's all that changes. Trust me, I've laned against many botlane brands. The range on it is high enough that he can do that. A much better solution to the brand problem is to reduce his passive from 4% back down to 2% (aka back to where no one complained about him). then make it scale so his %health damage goes up with ap (with it neutralizing to 4% at about 200-300 ap). Currently only his passive explosions scale with ap.
I can agree with the lower damage on his passive, and having it scale with AP I think would be really good (So long as he can't build 800 AP and then burn you for like 6%+), but the mana cost thing is eh. I think his mana is where it needs to be. I play a lot of bot lane too, especially when he was hyper strong there. It's a strategy I found to be very useful. Just stand in the ranged minions, he walks up, W, you walk out, he just shoves the wave. It's even better if you stand near the W'd minions because he will almost always try to E to try and hit you, costing more mana and shoving even harder. Then, they push in, and you ping. Spam ping if need be. Type something. Yeah, solo queue junglers, especially low ELO, have very little awareness very often, which is why you need to take matters into your own hands and force their attention. We also can't use solo queue, low ELO behavior as a balancing point. We can't say Brand needs mana nerfs because junglers don't gank. His mana costs are decent, and in lane he is annoying, however there are easy ways to play around him. He may harass you under tower, but your jungler should also be there when that happens. If not, it's not a champion problem but a player problem. His passive would be a fine place to him him, but the mana costs seem to be where they need to be, especially since they recently tried to put him back mid by buffing his mana costs. It would be counter intuitive to nerf them, that would put him back more in the supp role than they intend.
x HIGH x (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RiKVeEpx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-21T15:14:22.659+0000) > > So you want a purely tank meta? Lowering all damage and gold, things tanks don&#x27;t need, by 30%? Does that seem right to you? Or are you sad that you built full, glass cannon ADC/Fighter/Mage and got one shot by Zed/Veigar? How can it became 'Tank meta' Lowering all dmg sorts by 30% which means Tanks magic dmg is lowered by 30% as well it is all the same, a fed tank like Malph wont take Adc by 1 Hit thou, yes thats what i want, less snow bully to all champions. Tanks wont be a *meta* they actually will be weaker.
And a fed assassin won't one hit an ADC, which means the assassin is useless. The ADC will deal 30% less damage to tanks with 30% less gold, meaning at all stages of the game, the ADC has actually lost more than 30% damage while the tank theoretically has only lost 30% tankiness. What you're proposing is to make everyone 30% weaker, but on top of that, reduce damage even more by 30%. You're encouraging a tank meta.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Nahui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RiKVeEpx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-21T15:14:22.659+0000) > > So you want a purely tank meta? Lowering all damage and gold, things tanks don&#x27;t need, by 30%? Does that seem right to you? Or are you sad that you built full, glass cannon ADC/Fighter/Mage and got one shot by Zed/Veigar? Pleas read well about Tanks because they have almost one of the most Dmg in any game or play Tanks seems like you don't.
They do not have the most damage in the game, they have the highest base values in the beginning that is offset by falling off hard the longer the game goes. If all damage is cut by 30%, sure they lose their initial base damage by a bit, but so do other champs. However, the longer the game goes, the more the 30% damage reduction hurts scaling classes. Same with gold. Mid-late game, tanks don't need damage. They act as meat shields and engage/CC bots. They also don't require lots of gold, which is why carries are prioritized for giving kills to. Watch streamers, they hate getting kills as Malph or Sion or Shen. It's bad for the team, they always try to give to mages or ADCs. So the flat damage/gold reduction will hurt all classes, but the longer the game goes, the better it is for tanks.
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: They are on PBE now, which doesn't mean they won't be tweaked before her live release. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/03/320-pbe-update.html
Ah, so it is. I mean, looking at the base values, I don't see much. Her base damage is extremely low. She still has Triforce as her staple item, especially because of her Q now. This time, however, she doesn't get repeated procs because of a 4 cast ult. I see nothing about the kit that's problematic numbers wise quite yet. True damage became magic damage, blade surge is honestly roughly the same except it gives her a little heal that scales on AD, which forces you to either build lots of AD and lose that trademark tankiness she needs to be effective or accept a minimal heal, which replaces the extreme healing she had on Hiten Style. Her ult seems a bit much, sure, and we'll see if it will retain it's damage/double CC, but it's also only effective against AD champs. AP doesn't usually need to auto, although the slow and damage are applicable to all.
: why even reduce the range away? camille's dash is only really balenced at that low because it's the second half. maybe instead it gives movement speed towards. anyway why should her dash be her big source of damage? why not front a bit of that onto her passive or her other skills?
Mainly because she lost Hiten style it seems, the aspect of her kit that really shredded, so they decided to take that power and put it elsewhere. Her real skill expression comes from weaving her E and her Q together. Otherwise you just get one dash really. However if you can pull off the combo, you're rewarded. It's more interactive than old irelia that was simply Q-E-beat you the fuck down. Edit: I actually looked at the numbers. Her damage isn't loaded onto her dash at all. It has low base damage, low scaling. The only damage it does is that it applies on hit effects, same as her old Q. It's a new mechanic now that is replacing her old Hiten style and old ult (4-tri force proc). Now, if she wants to use Triforce effectively, she needs to properly weave her E and mark enemies so she can use her Q over and over. However, the Q itself doesn't do much damage, it's mainly the triforce damage. It also allows you to constantly proc the heal. Now, this sounds very similar to a skill current irelia has, which is her ult. Each blade heals her greatly, does low damage, but if done properly, proc'd Triforce 4 times.
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