Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Naneroh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w2HltErw,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-01-19T15:57:37.776+0000) > > I dropped the dumbass act a while ago here after getting dumb replies. I said Talon was balanced to mock players who don't give af if Talon has a 100% winrate while Zed has a 1% winrate. Hmm. Maybe it is all a joke. Maybe not. I just had to comment on how poorly designed Talon is. :) Zed is annoying at best but should probably have his kit tweaked. Talon is just a travesty.
yeah lol this was meant to mock them Zed haters out there who don't look at facts and say nonsense in the comments. Like look at my match history (on the site) I immediately rush Zed and say he is op like lmao. I agree, Talon is weirdly designed early game but i find that if his W or ult is down he is one of the most vulnerable champs in the game.
: This is bait. this has to be bait.
this was meant to bait out the Zed haters but it backfired hard.
Quáx (NA)
: Really dude? How long have you played this game? Assassins are meant to be single target, and let's look at the evidence of all of the assassins to prove my point so buckle up cowboy. First, Assassins are put in solo lanes, specifically mid the center point of the map Zed: Q a single target shuriken that does more damage on the first enemy hit Zed: W designed to get out some poker with his Q and slow with his E making it easier to catch up to people, also fucntions as a dash to get into the backline to kill the adc Zed E: a short ranged AOE slash that has its cd reduced every person it hits, Also slows when cast by the shadow Zed R: A point and click single target ability that does more damage to the person the more abilities they get hit by and the more damage they take Next up talon Passive: A 3 hit mark on one person Q: a single target dash that causes the enemy to bleed W: A slow that can give 2 stacks on his [passive if both hit, landing a lot of damage E: A roaming ability and escape ability, this can be used to go to lanes quicker, go to bot lane and get 1/2 kills R: GOES INVISIBLE and gains movement speed, then decided to run at the backline because he can Next up Akali Passive: Legit more damage on an auto attack Q: A very short cone blast ability that heals W: TRUE STEALTH, that allows her to dive towers easily and get away from situations E: A dash that follows you through any terrain, also single target ability R: 2 dashes, one of which slows, and the other is an execute Next Ekko Passive: A 3 hit passive onto someone that gives him movement speed Q: Like talons W except worse, if landed correctly gives you 2 passive stacks W: and AOE stun, that if caught out will ruin your life, can also be good for escaping ganks E: A single target Dash that does damage R: A button to fix your mistakes Yasuo Passive: Sheild Q: a(pretty much) single target slash, and a knockup W: blocks all projectiles E: Single target dash R: Screws over a person he sees and also gives him bonus damage on his AA's for the next 10 seconds KhaZix P: Punishes you for being alone Q: single target slash that can be upgraded into a better single target slash W: A skill shot that can heal him and slows enemies(can be upgraded to hit more enemies and give a better heal) E: A leap that goes farther than my father(can be upgraded to let him leap again if he kills someone) R: Invisibility Rengar P: legit allows him to give the enemy a heart attack Q: single target strike W: Cleanse/restores health/ tiny AOE Ap scaling kitty roar E: Single target slow/root R: Do I even need to explain this one Kayn: Q: a slash W: a slow/knockup E: allows him to go through walls R: OH YES DADDY(he dashes and becomes in alpha for a few seconds) Kassadin: Q: Gives him a shield W: bonus attack on the next ability E: A slow R: A blink every 2 seconds Fizz: Q: single target dash W: Rends an enemy E: A giant "fuck you" to the enemy R: throws out a fish to one person to where a massive shark spawns Everlynn: If you can't tell that this person is all about killing one person you need to check up Nocturn: Q: Single target darkness and that leaves a trail that gives him extra movement speed W: Spell shield E: Fears a single enemy R: A single target dash that also gives the enemy a seizure Pyke: Q: A single target hook W: An invis ability to help get into the back line potentially E: A dash that also stuns R: An execute ability Ok so now tell me that assassins based on their abilites, all dont have a dash to engage/ get away, a ton of single traget abilites and some sort of unique ability to them. Youve lost this case dude, you're being downvoted. Admit you're wrong an lets move on.
holy shit dude read the other damn comments I dropped the dumbass act a long time ago, how dense can you be? do you honestly believe I don't think assassins aren't meant to 1 shot people? Look at my damn match history in the site right here and tell me who I main and why this is a level 10 account.
Syrile (NA)
: Talon is a much less balanced champion actually. I am not a fan of Zed. I think he has the same problem that most assassins do. However, he is more balanced than Talon by a huge margin. And LeBlanc is literally one-shot over a wall with no counterplay and she gets back out safe. :D
I dropped the dumbass act a while ago here after getting dumb replies. I said Talon was balanced to mock players who don't give af if Talon has a 100% winrate while Zed has a 1% winrate.
: Assassins are designed to kill and kill quickly. This doesn't mean no counter-play or 1 shot. There are currently no champions that actually 1 shot anyone.(excluding infinite scaling) There are champions who lack imo enough counter-play. Zed is one. There can be a valid discussion about the place and effectiveness of champions without the extreme on both sides.
you can't just exclude infinite scaling champs. If you can exclude them I can exclude every champion.
Quáx (NA)
: Well, that's not the assassins fault, there this thing called lethality, armor Penn, they're items that the champion is supposed to build. They're items. If you want an answer to your juggernaut 1 shotting claim, then the answer is to remove lethality.
Lethality sucks at the current moment.
: assassins one shot juggernauts/tanks that doesnt sound right. i mean if anything that sounds pretty broken if you say it like that.
yo hold tf up. Imma have to drop the dumbass act for a minute here. No assassin auto wins against juggernauts. in fact Juggernauts pretty much auto win on all assassins. Even with Lethalility there is no way Zed can kill a Darius, Garen, Nasus, Illaoi, urgot, etc unless he is 10/0.
: unpopular opinion, he is by far and away the fairest assassin to play against strange how you say talon is balanced while he is widely regarded as the best or second best assassin besides this bitch {{champion:7}}
It is an unpopular opinion. Which is why I'm making this post to see how many likes I can get because other posts seem to get over 100 likes. Just look at my match history no level 10 account rushes Zed and stomps on their first game. I say Talon is balanced to mock the boards because they were complaining about Zed being OP for 3 patches while Talon was S tier and pick/ban and no one batted an eye until some pro player was like "hey guys, Talon is op" and the boards blew up about Talon a week before he was getting nerfed. Tbh I find LeBlanc fine except for her chain length. She can chain Xerath longer than his ult range.
: zeds aa speed is slow if you hard burst/cc him if he hard dives with ult at the point he spawns out his damage is null hes dependant on his q to leave marks. play zed sometime u will understand the ez/hard parts
Why tf would Zed hard dive me when he knows I can cc him? I dont think people are that dumb. Plus look at my match history :).
: Is this a troll post? like you say there nothing you can do vs wqe but you can dodge it pretty easily then you say the ap on {{item:3157}} sucks but it is 75ap like wtf that is 15ap less then {{item:3285}} im just going to assume you're trolling.
Of course not. I over exaggerate everything and say {{champion:238}} gets shut down by seekers. (Which is true) this is definitely not post of satire.
: I thought that Assassins were designed to kill low-health/highly squishy enemies and get out cleanly
That's true. Assassins like Zed and Katarina suck right now because it's really hard to kill people when they have access to shields and armor/mr while also having weak stats due to being designed as outplay champions. The only way to actually carry games is to have an insane kda. But keep this between us.
Quáx (NA)
: Assassin's are designed to 1 shot. Let's take a champion like Talon. He has a 2 dashes/blinks w/e his E is classified as. He has great roaming power to go bot lane and pick up kills. Assassins are high mobility damage dealers, that are squishy. Their whole purpose is to get 1 kill and get out. Typically using combos, and almost all their abilities and summoner spells. Are you new to this game? Plus mages have several classifications. Utility mages, and assassin mages. A utility mage is someone like Orianna or Karma, An assassin mage is someone like Katarina, and maybe Zoe. But like all classes, they have a weakness. If an assassin gets locked down, they are more dead than Han Solo. If someone like Lissandra ults them, they're dead, if someone like Zoe E's them, they're dead. If someone like Ryze W's them, they're gonna take a lot of damage and/or die. You're just whining because you probably lost to a Zed who genuinely outplayed you.
Assassins are meant to kill 1 person? Lul sure and Cho'gath is a tank. And by mages I mean all of them. Anyone ap. Because ad champs are rito's babies and need extra care. And I in fact didn't lose to a Zed.
Quáx (NA)
: Assassin's are designed to 1 shot. Let's take a champion like Talon. He has a 2 dashes/blinks w/e his E is classified as. He has great roaming power to go bot lane and pick up kills. Assassins are high mobility damage dealers, that are squishy. Their whole purpose is to get 1 kill and get out. Typically using combos, and almost all their abilities and summoner spells. Are you new to this game? Plus mages have several classifications. Utility mages, and assassin mages. A utility mage is someone like Orianna or Karma, An assassin mage is someone like Katarina, and maybe Zoe. But like all classes, they have a weakness. If an assassin gets locked down, they are more dead than Han Solo. If someone like Lissandra ults them, they're dead, if someone like Zoe E's them, they're dead. If someone like Ryze W's them, they're gonna take a lot of damage and/or die. You're just whining because you probably lost to a Zed who genuinely outplayed you.
Assassins are meant to kill 1 person? Lul sure and Cho'gath is a tank. And by mages I mean all of them. Anyone ap. Because ad champs are rito's babies and need extra care. And I in fact didn't lose to a Zed.
: nice match history m8.
Quáx (NA)
: " No champion should be able to 1 shot another except for mages" Do you not know what the word ASSASSIN MEANS. It means FUCKING KILL. Assassins are specifically designed to 1 shot if you don't like it get out.
no dude assassins should not 1 shot people. Mages should. Even if you are right your post will get mass downvoted by mage mains soon and no one will see this comment.
Doge2020 (NA)
: Hmm would ap nasus work? Just constantly push the wave and poke the zed so he can’t all in you or go roam. And nasus’s Wither will fuck the zed up if zed messes up and zed’s w is on CD. The extra resistances from Nasus’s ult will help massively against the zed too
No Zed is too broken for anyone to actually do anything.
: look at it this way play a lockdown champ so you can help your team instead of a kill heavy mid laner ekko is a good example. he has a slow/stun if u land it then theres a slow on his q finally you get a 2nd chance on your ult that could heal you or hurt assassins or better yet both. if theres more lockdown styled champs you should try them in your game or you can play the skill matchup of fizz vs zed.
Zed is too op if i lock him down he ults and kills me with auto attacks like an adc.
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