Padoµch (EUNE)
: Ok, let me get it straight. I just look at your op.gg. First thing is, you die, A LOT.. I am actually impressed you made it this far like this. So, 1: dont make things, that will make you die in the laning phase. You do play some mage/support champs like Brand, he is good, with a good range, but you are a paper. 2: Buy Spellthiefts, buy the second part, and thats it, just complete the quest 3: If you do not see the river (have a ward there) and not looking at that ward in that time, that means the jungler is there! Always think - No vision = jungler is sitting in that bush 4: Do not panic. If someone dmges you, you have still time to react, use your spells and think about what you are doing. If you get caught by lets say Thresh -> E (blaze passive) -> Q (stun) -> W (25% more dmg and passive) -> ignite - this all while trying to back a little bit. Its not hard
> [{quoted}](name=Padoµch,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wVNGBaUN,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-01T08:04:26.732+0000) > > Ok, let me get it straight. > I just look at your op.gg. First thing is, you die, A LOT.. I am actually impressed you made it this far like this. > So, > 1: dont make things, that will make you die in the laning phase. You do play some mage/support champs like Brand, he is good, with a good range, but you are a paper. > 2: Buy Spellthiefts, buy the second part, and thats it, just complete the quest > 3: If you do not see the river (have a ward there) and not looking at that ward in that time, that means the jungler is there! Always think - No vision = jungler is sitting in that bush > 4: Do not panic. If someone dmges you, you have still time to react, use your spells and think about what you are doing. If you get caught by lets say Thresh -> E (blaze passive) -> Q (stun) -> W (25% more dmg and passive) -> ignite - this all while trying to back a little bit. Its not hard See and I always wondered about whether the trade off for fully upgrading gold item was worth it that early. Cause I always get complaints if I finish Rylais and Liendrys before I’ve upgraded it. So I figured I was just doing something wrong with item buys. And I do my best not to die, like warding the immediate area I’m in, pinking in enemy jungle bushes by mid towers. It just seems mid to late game, when the enemy just has to breathe on me, that I amass such huge death tolls. But thank you for responding, I’ll definitely try to integrate the suggestions into my games.
: Hey Naptown, fellow support main here. Currently Gold 3, meager 57% winrate (158 games). Nothing amazing, can be improved, take my words with a pinch of salt (I hope higher elo support mains can verify what I say thanks), but here's some of my observations: 1. Do not rush Remant of the Watchers (same with Remnant of the Ascended). It does not provide any substantial benefits over Eye of Frost. Upgrade Spellthief's Edge to Eye of Frost and sit on that item. Only Remnant of the Aspect is worth rushing after Relic Shield as it substantially increases your income (charged every 20s rather than 30s; seems small but noticeable over the duration of a game) and increases the minion execute health threshold, which makes it feel very good and is also useful as it would be hard to cs otherwise later come mid-game when everyone else on team has good waveclear and clear minions too fast for you to proc the charges. The substantial increase in HP is also useful if you want to rush items like Mikael's Crucible/Locket of the Iron Solari or other support items that don't provide HP as it keeps you at least somewhat tanky. Only applicable to tank supports which you don't play as much of so it's just extra info (though you could explore other supports, tank included, since your current roster of Morgana and Brand isn't quite working). 2. Try to die a little less. Sounds like a dumb advice, but hear me out. I see that your death counts can generally be quite high. Either you and/or adc are picking bad fights or you die too much to ganks (see point about warding which comes later).This may also be due to your roster of squishy supports in comparison to the tank supports that I play more, but even on squishy supports I try my best to keep deaths low. Avoid meaningless deaths. Pick good fights, avoid bad fights, etc. Sometimes it's better to just let your adc die than try to save him/her knowing you can't do much and risk giving enemy team a double kill. General stuff but you get my idea. 3. Warding. You seem to buy A LOT of control wards and that's a good thing I need to learn from you. However, warding correctly matters just as much if not more. I didn't watch your replays but: do not ward the river brush and call that a job well done! Your vision score may be high at the end of a game but it can be more meaningful! Ward deeper! Ward enemy jg camps/paths (especially path leading to river), ward slightly above river brush (between scuttle crab spawn point and river brush). With good awareness of map (which is just as important cos there were many times when I play jg and the brush is warded by enemy but they didn't spot me coming for a gank at all due to poor awareness!), this gives you more time to react accordingly after spotting enemy jgs/laners coming to bot. Remember the thing about vision is not to see the enemy for as long as possible (ex. sitting in river brush). They may appear for only a split second but that's all you need to track enemy whereabouts. So do yourself a favor and practice USEFUL (aka deeper) warding! You are like a secondary jg in that you can help track the enemy jg's whereabouts too. Tip: if you are on the blue side, go to enemy jg and hit the blast cone. This way, if you ward between dragon pit and river brush (rather than river brush itself), the enemy jg will have to walk to bot lane (usually if they have dashes they'll save them for the gank) and can't blast cone into river brush (thereby avoiding detection), allowing you to spot them coming and with the deeper ward you'll give your lane an extra 1-2 seconds to retreat if needed. 4. Mobi boots/roaming. You seem to buy them for EVERY game and despite that, in most of your games you don't have an impressive kill participation. I would recommend buying them only if you are gonna roam much. If not, the extra speed coming to lane isn't as worth (in my opinion) compared to extra resistances/CDR/pen from the other boots. That said, mobi boots are situational. It really depends on the situation and it's not a black/white decision. The roam condition is just a consideration and one of the many other possible things to think of. Speaking of roaming, roam! When your lane is pushed into your tower and adc can farm safely (unless enemy support is a hooker/harasser such as blitz/thresh or zyra/vel'koz and your adc can't seem to safely cs on his/her own); or when your adc is not in lane and your turret is not being poked down; or if your lane is pushed out and pushing out isn't so safe due to enemy jglers that can gank well/have high kill potential (in which you need to let wave push back to you), etc. Your job is to ensure your carries are fed (in kills OR cs) and can carry the team. As long as your adc is the scaling kind (ex. NOT Draven who needs to snowball) and can cs normally, then all is good. This isn't to say you shouldn't try snowballing your lane! But if you see that it's not quite possible with your adc because you guys aren't working well together, etc, you can roam and snowball other lanes. Sometimes the carry isn't your adc and that's okay. But you need to evaluate your teammates and play accordingly to get the correct people fed. That's when mobi boots come in. You can roam mid, set up vision in river/enemy jg, gank/counterjg with your jgler, or even roam top too (sounds far/extreme but mobi boots do you good). Remember, as long as your adc can cs and bot turrets aren't falling one after another! 5. Play around objectives. Ward dragon/pit, deny enemy vision on them, etc. Small but big point to note. Self-explanatory. 6. Synergize with your adc's pick. Ex. don't pick brand with an adc that is weak early and needs to farm. It's harder to get ahead (compared to for example Lucian/Draven as your adc) and you may end up forcing fights that are not in your favor. Pick an enchanter/warden. Something to consider! I can go on and on but that's it for now. I recommend watching guides for support on Youtube. They helped me a lot. Some things may seem so obvious to high elo players but may not be that apparent to us. That's okay. We are here to improve :) Some useful videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwasf__KdhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZynP_4saE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2i9xB5qqcE There are also some support main Youtubers you can learn from. Best of luck in your climb! :)
> [{quoted}](name=OohCHOCOLATE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wVNGBaUN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-01T05:46:18.285+0000) > > Hey Naptown, fellow support main here. Currently Gold 3, meager 57% winrate (158 games). Nothing amazing, can be improved, take my words with a pinch of salt (I hope higher elo support mains can verify what I say thanks), but here's some of my observations: > > 1. Do not rush Remant of the Watchers (same with Remnant of the Ascended). It does not provide any substantial benefits over Eye of Frost. Upgrade Spellthief's Edge to Eye of Frost and sit on that item. Only Remnant of the Aspect is worth rushing after Relic Shield as it substantially increases your income (charged every 20s rather than 30s; seems small but noticeable over the duration of a game) and increases the minion execute health threshold, which makes it feel very good and is also useful as it would be hard to cs otherwise later come mid-game when everyone else on team has good waveclear and clear minions too fast for you to proc the charges. The substantial increase in HP is also useful if you want to rush items like Mikael's Crucible/Locket of the Iron Solari or other support items that don't provide HP as it keeps you at least somewhat tanky. Only applicable to tank supports which you don't play as much of so it's just extra info (though you could explore other supports, tank included, since your current roster of Morgana and Brand isn't quite working). > > 2. Try to die a little less. Sounds like a dumb advice, but hear me out. I see that your death counts can generally be quite high. Either you and/or adc are picking bad fights or you die too much to ganks (see point about warding which comes later).This may also be due to your roster of squishy supports in comparison to the tank supports that I play more, but even on squishy supports I try my best to keep deaths low. Avoid meaningless deaths. Pick good fights, avoid bad fights, etc. Sometimes it's better to just let your adc die than try to save him/her knowing you can't do much and risk giving enemy team a double kill. General stuff but you get my idea. > > 3. Warding. You seem to buy A LOT of control wards and that's a good thing I need to learn from you. However, warding correctly matters just as much if not more. I didn't watch your replays but: do not ward the river brush and call that a job well done! Your vision score may be high at the end of a game but it can be more meaningful! Ward deeper! Ward enemy jg camps/paths (especially path leading to river), ward slightly above river brush (between scuttle crab spawn point and river brush). With good awareness of map (which is just as important cos there were many times when I play jg and the brush is warded by enemy but they didn't spot me coming for a gank at all due to poor awareness!), this gives you more time to react accordingly after spotting enemy jgs/laners coming to bot. Remember the thing about vision is not to see the enemy for as long as possible (ex. sitting in river brush). They may appear for only a split second but that's all you need to track enemy whereabouts. So do yourself a favor and practice USEFUL (aka deeper) warding! You are like a secondary jg in that you can help track the enemy jg's whereabouts too. Tip: if you are on the blue side, go to enemy jg and hit the blast cone. This way, if you ward between dragon pit and river brush (rather than river brush itself), the enemy jg will have to walk to bot lane (usually if they have dashes they'll save them for the gank) and can't blast cone into river brush (thereby avoiding detection), allowing you to spot them coming and with the deeper ward you'll give your lane an extra 1-2 seconds to retreat if needed. > > 4. Mobi boots/roaming. You seem to buy them for EVERY game and despite that, in most of your games you don't have an impressive kill participation. I would recommend buying them only if you are gonna roam much. If not, the extra speed coming to lane isn't as worth (in my opinion) compared to extra resistances/CDR/pen from the other boots. That said, mobi boots are situational. It really depends on the situation and it's not a black/white decision. The roam condition is just a consideration and one of the many other possible things to think of. Speaking of roaming, roam! When your lane is pushed into your tower and adc can farm safely (unless enemy support is a hooker/harasser such as blitz/thresh or zyra/vel'koz and your adc can't seem to safely cs on his/her own); or when your adc is not in lane and your turret is not being poked down; or if your lane is pushed out and pushing out isn't so safe due to enemy jglers that can gank well/have high kill potential (in which you need to let wave push back to you), etc. Your job is to ensure your carries are fed (in kills OR cs) and can carry the team. As long as your adc is the scaling kind (ex. NOT Draven who needs to snowball) and can cs normally, then all is good. This isn't to say you shouldn't try snowballing your lane! But if you see that it's not quite possible with your adc because you guys aren't working well together, etc, you can roam and snowball other lanes. Sometimes the carry isn't your adc and that's okay. But you need to evaluate your teammates and play accordingly to get the correct people fed. That's when mobi boots come in. You can roam mid, set up vision in river/enemy jg, gank/counterjg with your jgler, or even roam top too (sounds far/extreme but mobi boots do you good). Remember, as long as your adc can cs and bot turrets aren't falling one after another! > > 5. Play around objectives. Ward dragon/pit, deny enemy vision on them, etc. Small but big point to note. Self-explanatory. > > 6. Synergize with your adc's pick. Ex. don't pick brand with an adc that is weak early and needs to farm. It's harder to get ahead (compared to for example Lucian/Draven as your adc) and you may end up forcing fights that are not in your favor. Pick an enchanter/warden. Something to consider! > > I can go on and on but that's it for now. I recommend watching guides for support on Youtube. They helped me a lot. Some things may seem so obvious to high elo players but may not be that apparent to us. That's okay. We are here to improve :) > > Some useful videos: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwasf__KdhI > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZynP_4saE > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2i9xB5qqcE > > There are also some support main Youtubers you can learn from. > > Best of luck in your climb! :) I really appreciate the info man. I used to roam nonstop and then my adc would just dive 2vq, ping, flame, then if game was a loss, team would board the flame train. And aside from the last 5 games or so, where I probably should’ve just left the adc completely, the bulk of my deaths happen mid to late game where the enemy just ignores everyone and focuses me. If I play further back from team fights to where they can’t dive me, team gets pissed if they all die and I didn’t. Struggle is real. But I’ll wait vids. And I appreciate your help.
: I dont know if im the best person to give advice when we are same elo and i dont know for certain how you play but if ur not roaming an absolute shit ton then u should get sorc boots because they are amazing on brand and morgana
> [{quoted}](name=Grimspeake,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wVNGBaUN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-01T04:39:22.450+0000) > > I dont know if im the best person to give advice when we are same elo and i dont know for certain how you play but if ur not roaming an absolute shit ton then u should get sorc boots because they are amazing on brand and morgana Ya man, I roam a lot. To the point that I’ve noticed I lose a level or so in detriment.
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: After the 2nd time, why did you log back in and try it again? I would think you'd be more careful after the first, let alone 2nd time you got a black screen that caused a loss in your promos.
Truth be told I thought the only way to get back to the old client was to completely uninstall the game and reinstall. And after it had happened the second time, I thought it was just something wrong with maybe how the pc was interacting with the client because I had closed pandora prior to the black screen deal happening. I thought they were related.
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