: What's the point in playing ranked in pre-season?
I play ranked because I feel like the match making is a bit better. I usually/almost always play with B2-S3 in ranked but when I play norms I occasionally get stuck with Golds and Plats along with some Irons.
: {{champion:77}} "I am going to run at you slightly faster than a champ's average base speed and either we can trade flashes or you can step back under your turret or kill me before I get to you." The only time I see Udyr doing well is when his team is already fed and has the cc to hold the enemy down for him, but any champ could win in that scenario.
> [{quoted}](name=Zezockary,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JjAnAn9A,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-12-10T15:28:53.960+0000) > > {{champion:77}} "I am going to run at you slightly faster than a champ's average base speed and either we can trade flashes or you can step back under your turret or kill me before I get to you." > > The only time I see Udyr doing well is when his team is already fed and has the cc to hold the enemy down for him, but any champ could win in that scenario. Udyr, Volibear, Trundle, and Nasus all fall under this for me for basically all the same reason. Yeah they hurt *IF* they can get to you, problem is they are all brain dead easy to kite. Udyr in particular was really hurt by the changes in Dragons, particularly Cloud dragon.
: Why are you buffing Ezreal?
> [{quoted}](name=NumberOneBaller,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=empOOc5V,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-08T18:22:48.722+0000) > > Can anyone explain to me why this champion needs buffs of any sort? Sure, because he needs them, any other questions I can field?
Yenn (NA)
: Now that Kennen is in the dumpster with pre-season changes, can he finally get the rework he needs?
Kennen has one of the highest if not the highest base attack speed and a decent range at 550, I feel like something could be done with that.
: How we went to "i lose,mb i did some mistakes" to "i lose, look at my mates 0/10 !"
I find flaming team mates is counter-productive. If someone is having a rough game, I fail to see how being an ass to them is going to make them perform better. In fact, I believe it will do the opposite; make them perform even worse. I know this is probably years of management experience talking but you get more flies with honey. Now opponents, I'll run my mouth all game, I want my opponents good and tilted. If I kill you, you can believe I'm flashing mastery, emotes, saying snarky shit in all chat, and the whole 9 yards.
AdamrCc (EUW)
: Jax feels like shit to play right now.
You got spoiled by the galactic monstrosity that was {{item:3161}} and now that you don't have your insanely broken item, you actually have to play. Pity. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: Unpopular opinion: Jungle is way more better now!
> [{quoted}](name=Delightful Mango,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7XiGHvEe,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-07T16:26:04.111+0000) > > I'd like to talk about mid since i'm an otp mid, but didn't really got my role in a long time due to autofill still being in the game for god knows what reason, so i'll talk about jungle since i played it way more than my main preffered role: It's pretty cool. Mhm, that's pretty much all, thx for coming to my TEDTALK :) I can forgive your bad take on the current state of the Jungle, but the use of "way more better" offends my sensibilities. Please refrain from doing that in the future.
: > [{quoted}](name=NaughtyWord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wEn5A26n,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-05T05:43:52.493+0000) > > Do you have a duo you can support with? > > Reason I ask is {{champion:26}} make's {{champion:119}} life a living hell. Even a half-decent Zilean will stop Draven from catching a single axe. It is very funny watching my duo chase Draven around the lane with Zilean. > > > Then you'd be free to ban Senna. She's OP, needs nerfs, nerfs are supposedly on the way, but in the interim the appropriate thing to do is ban her. Banning her is also banning an ADC especially if she gets paired up with {{champion:111}} or {{champion:89}}. With either one of those as her support she has 58% win rate. > > https://u.gg/lol/duo-tier-list/ Sadly no, I've been solo queue since I started league a few years back. Guess I should hunt for one huh?
> [{quoted}](name=Forestfire121,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wEn5A26n,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-07T19:04:42.550+0000) > > Sadly no, I've been solo queue since I started league a few years back. Guess I should hunt for one huh? I found my duo in a random normal. We did really well and we got to know each other. Been friends for a couple of years now. Well as "friends" as people can get on the Internet at any rate. It's worth it, trust me, you can coordinate a lot of janky shit.
: Yes, they did. That was the part were it was called a "full relaunch VGU". That means they keep the thematic of the champion (god-like being of war and destruction, thrives in battle) and rebuild the kit to a healthy version and/or one that fits that thematic better.
> [{quoted}](name=Wulf Helhammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh6WrATY,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-12-07T04:13:56.072+0000) > > and rebuild the kit to a healthy version and/or one that fits that thematic better. Well that perfectly explains why the post-"relaunch VGU" that so much of his entirely new kit was removed. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
xWARx (NA)
: Revert Aatrox
LOL @ pretending that the Urgot rework is any kind of injustice. The old Urgot was at best was a *VERY* niche pick, the champion was more or less a joke.
: Remove Katarina
Imagine crying about Katarina in 2019. She's one of two assassins who isn't insane right now. She has no CC, is not tanky, doesn't reset her health, {{item:3026}} is useless on her, and every single one of her abilities has a tremendous amount of counter play.
: Let me explain why Poppy is in a really bad spot and needs some sort of change.
> [{quoted}](name=Yordle Gunner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lpIYi38W,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-06T22:45:22.889+0000) > There are only really 2 ways to play Poppy, the most common is Tank top. The second is heavy AD either top or JG, this can consist of a mix of AD/Health Items or Lethality (from many poppy mains). The problem with each of these is Poppy doesn't do any one thing better than anyone else. She is one of the less tanky tanks in League and if you play her damage she can't outmatch other bruisers or fighters such as Darius and Olaf who will also end up tanking more. Uh no and Worlds showcased that poppy mid can and does work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I544FqCefsI Poppy is arguably one of the best designed champs in this game. She's always got a spot regardless of how the meta shifts and she can be played in every single role minus ADC and find success. Even then I'm pretty sure die-hard poppy mains would find success in bot lane.
Cr3ator (NA)
: Malphite ultimate
> [{quoted}](name=Cr3ator,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4kO0wBr2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-06T01:10:20.751+0000) > > Can we actually add a cooldown timer to this ult? Please? Seeing him build all AP right now is disgusting. 100-0 every single time, aka 28 seconds with a few drags now. Literally ANY MR item will put an end to his one-shot shenanigans. {{item:3091}} {{item:3155}} Hell even a {{item:3046}} gives you a half-decent chance of not being one-shot. He's fine.
: I have respect for GOOD top laners, not top laners in general. The large majority rely on stat-checking their lane opponenet (hello ghost+flash Darius), pretty much any Morde/Garen player, etc. If they can't win by mashing their head against the keyboard while they ignore any form of wave control, they whine that X, Y or Z champ that beat them is OP. Vlad isn't even good top lane and look at how many people complain about it because he's not forced to let you all-in when he attempts to CS. "HE SUSTAINS", when Aatrox (unless he never Qs or misses every one) and any D-shield or corrupting pot user sustains more before one item + level 9. I can probably count on my fingers the amount of top lane players that have actually outplayed me as opposed to just forcing a stat-check or me being stupid, thus being stat-checked. Fighting in the middle of your minions so I can't E you as Vlad? Nah, just try to stat-check. Gone are the days of being out-traded. Now you just get all-in'd every time they're in range unless you have some form of counter-engage/hard disengage.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApEGbUXh,comment-id=0013000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-06T05:26:37.551+0000) > If they can't win by mashing their head against the keyboard while they ignore any form of wave control, they whine that X, Y or Z champ that beat them is OP. > > Vlad isn't even good top lane and look at how many people complain about it because he's not forced to let you all-in when he attempts to CS. "HE SUSTAINS", when Aatrox (unless he never Qs or misses every one) and any D-shield or corrupting pot user sustains more before one item + level 9. To this day they still petulantly whine about Kayle. She's not even in the conversation of best solo que top laners and has recently picked up popularity in mid lane. On the boards these top laners will whine endlessly never mind the fact that: Fleet Footwork is better on melee champions Conqueror currently is and is only going to get better for melee champions next patch. Grasp of the Undying is better on melee champions Glacial Augment is better on melee champions Trinity Force is better on melee champions Black Cleaver is better on melee champions {{item:3748}} is melee only {{item:3074}} is melee only Frozen Mallet is better on melee champions There are something like 4 keystones and 6 items have either direct range nerfs or outright range restrictions and these whiners will still say they are not catered enough to. There's probably even more items I'm missing, what do range champions have in comparison? {{item:3085}}? Is that it? Oh and yeah, melee champions are dominating top lane right now and AD melee champs have been the king of the jungle for a very long time now.
: Most don't tend to want to build bramblevest+tabis, instead opting for rushing their damage item, then complain when they feel like they can't do anything. And yet those same players will complain about how bramblevest and tabis are OP...
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApEGbUXh,comment-id=00130000,timestamp=2019-12-06T04:39:44.995+0000) > > Most don't tend to want to build bramblevest+tabis, instead opting for rushing their damage item, then complain when they feel like they can't do anything. > > And yet those same players will complain about how bramblevest and tabis are OP... Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of respect for the lane. It is my least favorite lane to play, yes even for the mess that jungle is in right now, I'd rather do that than top lane. It has much different dynamics than bot lane does and playing it makes me uncomfortable. I have friends that only play top lane and they don't do any the complaining I see here on the boards. One such person is a Renekton main and he licks his lips in delight if his enemy laner is stupid enough to pick Vayne, Lucian, or goth-forbid Tristana. He's going to come out of that lane VERY fed.
: I Hate Vayne Top
Vayne is at a 48% win rate in top lane. This idea that Vayne top is crushing the lane is unsubstantiated. https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?role=top The top 9 win rates in top lane, plat+ are ALL melee, with Heimerdinger coming in at #10. As people have already eloquently pointed out, if someone plays Vayne top lane, they've just screwed their team out of a front line engage and given them YET another ADC to protect. This is probably why Vayne top lane has a trash-tier win rate. Vayne Bot is at 50% win rate. I think this is more faux victim complex of top laners who just feel they aren't quite special enough yet and need to make shit up to whine about. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Tips for countering Senna
Do you have a duo you can support with? Reason I ask is {{champion:26}} make's {{champion:119}} life a living hell. Even a half-decent Zilean will stop Draven from catching a single axe. It is very funny watching my duo chase Draven around the lane with Zilean. Then you'd be free to ban Senna. She's OP, needs nerfs, nerfs are supposedly on the way, but in the interim the appropriate thing to do is ban her. Banning her is also banning an ADC especially if she gets paired up with {{champion:111}} or {{champion:89}}. With either one of those as her support she has 58% win rate. https://u.gg/lol/duo-tier-list/
: How to play Rammus against a AP or true damage team comp
> [{quoted}](name=Magnesium14,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2dZ9cGOv,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-02T01:02:01.879+0000) > > Against an AD team comp you just get thornmail-frozen heart-glory-GA > and then run it down mid, b/c when they attack you they will kill themselves, with your ult on so u can kill towers > > but what do you do if the enemy team is mostly AP or have a lot of true damage, like vayne > how to play and build I know people tell you not to play him into full AP but that's not always avoidable discounting dodging. Personally when I play rammus into an AP heavy or full AP team, I go with an AP on-hit build because rammus does have a built-in on-hit damage mechanic. {{item:1419}} {{item:3001}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3117}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3065}} (not necessarily in this order) So you'll have all of Rammus' normal abilities+ Just under 3000 health 230 MR 1.86 Attack Speed 40% CDR 89 AP 461 movement speed Lifesteal from Wit's End. %health damage from bloodrazor When I'm in this position I use Conqueror, Triumph, Legend: Tenacity, Last Stand Nullifying Orb, Celerity So you have a good amount of sustain, good movement speed, good magic resist, and your auto-attacks will do in the neighborhood of 300 each. It isn't ideal I'll grant you but it seems to be able to get me through those games being useful to my team and not a walking bag of gold. While I haven't tried it yet, you could make the case to replace the Spirit Visage for a Rageblade, but I like the increased MR more.
: But but but...... Tristana literally has a resetting jump that takes precedence over all roots and grabs, kills people 3 times as fast as Senna and then hops right back out. Her starting attack range doesn't matter.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MZEuJgNd,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-12-02T17:01:49.781+0000) > > But but but...... Tristana literally has a resetting jump that takes precedence over all roots and grabs, kills people 3 times as fast as Senna and then hops right back out. Her starting attack range doesn't matter. And? Tristana isn't dominating bot lane, Senna is. Her broken attack range is a big part of that. It needs to be put in line so she doesn't freelo stacks. When Ashe was approaching 55% win rate, they immediately nerfed her W, because that was a big part of the reason why she was dominating bot lane. Senna has consistently been at 54-56% win rate in bot lane, she need to be hit. She is so insanely overloaded that I have significant doubts that a small number adjustment is going to make this champion fair. Wait till LCS starts and Senna will undoubtedly be abused, and she'll get gutted just as we saw with Kalista. And rightfully so.
: Imagine wasting your ban on Yasuo
> [{quoted}](name=Dabrick01,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MZEuJgNd,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-12-02T14:52:20.289+0000) > > Imagine wasting your ban on Yasuo I only ever bother to ban him if I'm in the off mood to play {{champion:38}}. He's very irritating to deal with when you are playing Kass.
Kazekiba (NA)
: Is Tristana also on your perma ban list for the last 7 years? Because she outranges Ashe at level I think 7? 10? and then 6 levels later matches Cait. What about Kogmaw?
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MZEuJgNd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-02T05:06:44.039+0000) > > Is Tristana also on your perma ban list for the last 7 years? Because she outranges Ashe at level I think 7? 10? > and then 6 levels later matches Cait. > > What about Kogmaw? She does not out-range Ashe until level 11 at which point her range is 605, Tristana does not out-range Caitlyn until level 17 (653). Neither of which have a significant impact on laning phase. Moreover, Tristana does not start at 600 unlike Senna, Tristana starts at 525. These things are not meaningfully analogous even at a surface-level range discussion.
Lovelle (NA)
: If Riot had any sense she wouldn't have been released with that kit to begin with.
> [{quoted}](name=Lovelle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YL6bpilf,comment-id=003c0000,timestamp=2019-12-02T12:28:40.538+0000) > > If Riot had any sense she wouldn't have been released with that kit to begin with. It's all fun and games until their cash cow of pro play gets dicked with too much. Kalista was insanely overloaded, as a result she was rendered useless for years after the pros abused her.
: Thoughts on Omnistone, and how to improve
This keystone is a troll. Even if you play a champion that can reliably proc all the keystones you are almost always just going to be better off sticking with one.
: As a 600k Soraka main the very existence of Senna is just a slap in the face
Don't worry too much OP, if Riot has any sense {{champion:235}} will be dumpstered not unlike {{champion:429}} . Just wait for the first rounds of pro-play circuits; this overloaded, impossible to balance champion will get gutted. Why is She overloaded? Quite simple really; she can have a hard-engage support like {{champion:111}} and heal that support without having to sacrifice any damage whatsoever, quite the opposite actually, her heal gets stronger as she gains more damage. Believe me, this WILL be exploited in pro-play and this WILL cause this monstrosity to find her way into the dumpster.
: Okay, if the problem with Senna is her supports, why doesn't every ADC have her winrate? Hook supports have gained notoriety for a reason. They do well vs all ADCs. And if Senna can only be stopped by 3 or 4 supports, which you basically keep claiming...that kinda says she needs nerfs.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i4I6yERO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-30T15:45:21.414+0000) > > Okay, if the problem with Senna is her supports, why doesn't every ADC have her winrate? > > Hook supports have gained notoriety for a reason. They do well vs all ADCs. > > And if Senna can only be stopped by 3 or 4 supports, which you basically keep claiming...that kinda says she needs nerfs. This bears repeating, so I am quoting it in all its beautiful poetry. God bless you beautiful bastard.
: U all who spam mastery disgust me especially ez champs or supports. Like who the frick cares about what mastery u have ? We can look at it at the start of the game noone cares about it after u know it once. If it boosts ur ego then phew ure such a egoist . Instead of using ur mastery to spam how bout u actually show u deserve it ? Hmmmm
> [{quoted}](name=SpeedBlackCze,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ATI3pjEa,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-12-01T07:51:17.978+0000) > > U all who spam mastery disgust me especially ez champs or supports. Like who the frick cares about what mastery u have ? We can look at it at the start of the game noone cares about it after u know it once. If it boosts ur ego then phew ure such a egoist . Instead of using ur mastery to spam how bout u actually show u deserve it ? Hmmmm I would say it is having its intended effect. To be more clear, it usually works in your benefit to get in your lane opponents head. If my spamming mastery irritates you, perfect.
Rewt (NA)
: Its just dumb when he is a better AP Jungler than Pretty much Every actual AP Jungler.
> [{quoted}](name=Rewt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ly1H5aE0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-01T07:16:12.340+0000) > > Its just dumb when he is a better AP Jungler than Pretty much Every actual AP Jungler. Oh I agree he's obnoxious, but he's not impossible to deal with. I'll take 100 ap malphites over a single rengar. Earlier when I said all you need to do is build 1 MR item and his little one-trick is done, I meant it: {{item:3156}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3091}} Sure he'll do some damage, but after his little trick he ain't got shit else for you.
Rewt (NA)
: can we just gut Malphite AP Scalings?
I've found building even a single MR item puts an end to his one-shot shenanigans.
Ulanopo (NA)
: There's a problem with this argument. Well, there are several, but the main one is this (from u.gg): Mordekaiser is at 53.48% top Warwick is at 54.32% in the jungle Aurelion Sol is at 55.34% in mid (If you're going to make the 1-trick argument, Kassadin is at 53.32%) Janna is at 53.37% as support Just posting numbers without context doesn't tell us anything. Of course Senna is going to have a high pick/ban rate, she's a brand new champion and this is preseason.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ItwbewMq,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-12-01T00:37:16.224+0000) > Just posting numbers without context doesn't tell us anything. Of course Senna is going to have a high pick/ban rate, she's a brand new champion and this is preseason. I would suggest that Senna's 55% winrate as ADC and her damn near 60% ban rate are probably more closely linked than "bEcAuZe ShE Iz NeW". https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?role=adc And that high of a ban rate is going to effect her pick rate significantly. It is because she out ranges all ADCs minus {{champion:51}} {{champion:22}} the latter of which she starts out on even footing. In short order she'll outrange all ADCs because it is brain dead easy for her to get stacks gaining FOUR stats; AD, Range, Crit, and Lifesteal (after 100% crit). Veigar only gains AP, Nasus gains damage on his Q, and Swain gets more health. How this Senna came to gain 4 different stats across all abilities and Rito walked away feeling intelligent I'll never understand. This champ needs to be dumpstered like {{champion:429}}.
: Remember when i said Senna ADC should be nerfed because it will be broken despite what Riot says?
In before Illabethe In before "She is weak!" In before "She is weak but I spam her in ranked!"
: > battle mages? define please.
> [{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ia8kET8f,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-30T23:27:36.286+0000) > > define please. ----- Battlemages (also known as Warlocks) get into the middle of the fray, seeking to wreak havoc upon the entire enemy team with their overwhelming sustained area damage. Due to their relatively short (but not melee) combat ranges and the need to burn down their opponents over time, Battle Mages have significant defensive capabilities that range from sustaining endlessly to literally defying death for a short period of time ---- {{champion:34}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Battlemage_champion
: I mean, are they really AP Assassins? LB just feels like a glorified burst mage, yet is labeled "an assassin"
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PjB4XNO0,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-30T20:54:28.261+0000) > > I mean, are they really AP Assassins? LB just feels like a glorified burst mage, yet is labeled "an assassin" You heard it here first folks, {{champion:55}} and {{champion:84}} are not actually assassins, they are burst mages.
: The hypercrisy regarding Garen is RIDICULOUS.
: I got auto filled Jungle 2 games in a row
That is because jungle is a troll lane. ----------------------------- "WHEEZ MUH GANKZ?!" Your laner is 4 levels a head of me in spite of constant farming and I'm trying to maintain pressure on botlane because a dragon is coming up in 40 seconds. "LOLGG USELESS JGZ" ----------------------------- That right there is basically every interaction I've had with every toplaner every time I'm auto-filled in that god awful role.
: Auto-filled Players playing roles they're bad at isn't a new problem.
For me it isn't about the jungle role per se, it is the champions. If you go watch interview of people who climb to master+ you'll hear a common thread: they stick to the same champion and they play that champion ad nauseam. They'll rewatch their replays to see what they missed during the game to improve their play, and so on. The problem is the champions I play either aren't very good junglers or straight up cannot do it {{champion:22}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:10}} So when I do have to jungle I'm already on bad footing because I have to pick a champion I'm not comfortable with. Learning a champion takes practice, it takes time, lots of it, and experience. I haven't even got into the subtleties of jungling, I'm still stuck on the champion. I would be more open to jungling if the champions I know how to play were able to jungle, but since they aren't I'm turned off by the concept of jungling and by extension; autofill. With that champion pool I can play any other lane; top, mid, support, bottom, but I cannot play jungle. I do ask when I get autofilled jungle and it is almost always responded with "well do your best" only to be subsequently flamed in the game. It isn't right and it isn't fair. It is a shitty system. I'm fine with autofill in norms, who cares if you perform poorly there, but in ranked these things matter far more. I'd even be fine with autofill if you could specify ONE lane you didn't want to be filled, but that isn't an option.
Flamdron (NA)
: Elise vs Nidalee
If you want to be a poke and heal bot after 20 minutes in the game, Nidalee is definitely the champion for you. IMO Nidalee is pretty trash. In a game with 2,000,000 dashes her Q moves way to slowly.
: swain r, akali, katarina, azir,
> [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PjB4XNO0,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-30T19:01:22.142+0000) > > swain r, akali, katarina, azir, Are Akali and Katarina mages? I don't think so. On probuilds, no one is building Conqueror on Swain. The favorite rune is Electrocute and Phase Rush. https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/50 This combined with including ap assassins as "mages" tells me you are purposefully trying to hype this up.
hiyares (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NaughtyWord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RtYc0YKz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-28T18:18:48.796+0000) > > I want to see the post from Riot explaining that Conqueror is for bruisers only. I think this is always assumed but never quantified. i mean when you think a mage you think this bursty control an area or insta kill kinda character right? they got rid of spell vamp becasue it made no sense for mages so why would they give them sustain? tanks can use it but not much of a reason to supports but same thing the probem is that mages can instantly proc it faster than melees which is where its like wtf. nd honestly there is too much sustain in damage trees lol there is more sustain in damage then there is in tank like wtf.
> [{quoted}](name=hiyares,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RtYc0YKz,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-28T19:15:00.173+0000) > > i mean when you think a mage you think this bursty control an area or insta kill kinda character right? they got rid of spell vamp becasue it made no sense for mages so why would they give them sustain? tanks can use it but not much of a reason to supports but same thing the probem is that mages can instantly proc it faster than melees which is where its like wtf. nd honestly there is too much sustain in damage trees lol there is more sustain in damage then there is in tank like wtf. I think that depends on the mage. Sure there's burst 100-0 mages that'll smoke you in a rotation if even that, Veigar being one of them. But is {{champion:30}} one of those champions? I'm not inclined to agree. I mean sure, Karthus does a lot of damage, but he will not 100-0 a champion like {{champion:142}} will. The same could be said for {{champion:25}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:163}} or even {{champion:26}}. There are a lot of so-called "battlemages" that aren't great at emptying their entire kit and getting a kill. Most of them are about long sustained fights or damage over time. There are others of course, but just selecting a few to illustrate a point. The question this ultimately comes to is: Are {{champion:13}} and {{champion:69}} burst mages in the same way that {{champion:45}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:142}} are? I think Ryze is an open question, I honestly think the champion has been dicked around with so much that even Riot doesn't understand what identity he is supposed to have, Cassiopia on the other hand, by her very kit, is a damage-over-time champion and should be able to utilize runes that facilitate that. And no, I'm not a Cassiopia main, just to squash that accusation, if need be, I'll post my mastery (not even M2, if that is a thing) of that champion.
: Ornn was and still is. they had to remove his shield cause there was no outplaying someone who shielded damage and then slapped you with % max health damage.
> [{quoted}](name=RandomYuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dYlOVi4E,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-11-30T05:54:42.326+0000) > > Ornn was and still is. they had to remove his shield cause there was no outplaying someone who shielded damage and then slapped you with % max health damage. Given Riot's track record, I will take your word for it, which is why I added the qualifier "I don't remember him being particularly OP" and I never play top lane so my interactions with him on a 1v1 basis are quite limited. Admittedly by the time I have to deal with Ornn, in most cases, it is long after laning phase and he's already tanky as shit. His abilities seem, at least from my perspective, little different than most annoying tanks. I do remember his various items having to go through several changes.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PjB4XNO0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-29T18:59:39.371+0000) > > Sure, but not Conqueror. Actually yes conqueror. The rune is designed for extended fights, the longer the fight the better. Every single dps champion should be able to use conqueror. They might have a better keystone but that doesn't mean that they can't use conqueror.
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PjB4XNO0,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-29T21:23:07.143+0000) > > Actually yes conqueror. The rune is designed for extended fights, the longer the fight the better. Every single dps champion should be able to use conqueror. They might have a better keystone but that doesn't mean that they can't use conqueror. That and honestly how many mages can actually maximize this rune efficiently? Only {{champion:69}} {{champion:13}} and {{champion:30}} come to mind because they have a spammable ability. It'd be one thing if mages were dominating the charts with Conqueror but they aren't, hell it would be another thing if it were efficient on most mages, but it isn't.
TheGrot (NA)
: Riot Should Remove JG Autofill
I'm fine with autofill in norms, but I do not want to play jungle in ranked. The changes notwithstanding, I'm not a good jungler and I don't want to devote the time it would take to become proficient at it when I'm trying to become better at a champion that flat-out cannot jungle: {{champion:45}}
: Healing is a huge problem in this game
{{champion:55}} {{champion:240}}{{champion:110}} {{summoner:14}} {{item:3076}} {{item:3123}} {{item:3165}} I will say I think the grievous mechanic should be moved to the {{item:3916}} but that notwithstanding, if healing is an issue you are having, it is because you aren't building to answer your opponents. This is a L2P issue.
: What are the easiest champs for each position?
I don't play top or jungle so I won't put my thoughts on those lanes: Mid: {{champion:45}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:1}} Veigar is about as straightforward as a champion gets, particularly with Glacial Augment. You Q farm for the first 15 mins or so and then melt everyone. Lux has extremely forgiving hitboxes and isn't really weak at any point in the game. Annie has a point-and-click "I win" button on her R. ADC: {{champion:15}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:18}} All three of these champions are very safe, easy to learn, and with little effort anyone can perform sufficiently in lane. I will say Tristana and Ezreal have a higher skill cap but as far as pick-up-and-play these champs are golden. Support: {{champion:111}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:267}} all three of these champions are very good all stages of the game, a little tricky to know when to engage with naut/leona, but once that's figured out they aren't terrible to pick up. Nami in my opinion is arguably the most well-rounded support right now. Not crazy OP, not useless, and has great synergy with several ADCs.
: The problem is that unlike viegar and nasus she has really strong early game damage. All infinite scaling champs have bad early game and short range to allow people the chance to shut them down before they get too bad. Senna does not have that because she does alot of damage early game and her attack range is long meaning she can hit anyone level 1 to 3 if they so much as try to cs without fear since she will most likely out trade them. Also to people who keep saying"she has high attack animation range" She does not, its only what .5 .6? Most champions attack animation speed is only slightly faster than hers, hell thresh I think is slower than her and he is still annoying with that poke. And then theres the fact that her Q is a auto attack reset. Meaning she can ignore the animation range and do a AA Q AA in under a second that chunks peoples health and gives her stacks. She also reduces the cd on her Q every time she auto attacks something, It doesn't say champion attacks, just basic attacks. Which means hitting the minions would reduce her Q like a yi would and let her keep shooting them. Here for example is a video of a level 3 senna with only one point in each ability and only her starting item: https://www.reddit.com/r/sennamains/comments/e2zm8t/senna_supp/ She was out ranging the brand and the jhin and was chunking them over and over that she killed them both, they couldn't go near her since she would kill them if they did which let her sit at max range and bully them. Another of her 2v4ing under the enemy turret https://www.reddit.com/r/sennamains/comments/e1uqit/pretty_nice_2v4_nothing_crazy_but_some_nice_heal/ She was only level 10 and she did 25% of jarvans HP with a AA. Then proceeded to do the same to the other 3 people while keeping them at max range. Level 6 senna kills swain who was behind his own turret while being outside of turret range since her Q extends when it goes through stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/sennamains/comments/e31bzs/love_this_mechanic/ This guy right here also shows that the attack animation doesn't matter since you can cancel it to chain multiple shots out at once: [Its insane](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pb0rPfS-yM) As shown above, her animation is not that slow. Even with out cancelling the first one it came out faster. After that she did 4 attacks in 2 seconds 6 in 3.5 seconds if you count his ult and the last auto attack. Max attack speed people do 2 to 3 attacks a second 6 in 2 seconds. She attacks faster than most of the champions in the game who don't stack attack speed. And he had none in that video. All those clips I shown wasn't even 5head plays, she just sat out of range and auto attacked everyone down because she does too much damage for how much range she has. Even caitlyn needs to drop her traps and have someone step on them to do that much damage. People pretending she isn't broken are the ones who are abusing her to begin with and will never admit to it.
> [{quoted}](name=Fuhrer Usagi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sjMPLvsI,comment-id=000200000002,timestamp=2019-11-29T19:07:06.766+0000) > People pretending she isn't broken are the ones who are abusing her to begin with and will never admit to it. Their match histories usually tell the story. Senna's busted, so enjoy the busted champ while you can. She is the most banned champ across all elos and don't even come at me with that waffling that "people just don't know how to play against her!" As she is the most banned champ in plat+ and even challenger individually; these people know this game better than you in all likelihood and I assure you they know the flaws, however tiny, of Senna and they are STILL choosing to ban her. She needs to be gutted, starting AA range of 500 would be a good start, make her actually work for her goddamned stacks.
: conqueror is better on mages
Bruisers are just buttmad that a couple of mages can make use of "their" rune. It's not your rune, at no point did anyone of significance say it was a "bruiser" rune, and if someone else can make use of it, so be it. It is the exact same waffling I hear about {{item:3071}} because all of 2 ADCs build it with any notable regularity {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}}.
Yenn (NA)
: Jungle EXP needs to be hotfixed, this role is now unplayable in games with good players
Whenever I'm autofilled it is for jungle. I'm refusing to play that mess of a lane. It's rare I dodge games, but now I will. The fact I rarely play the lane notwithstanding. It is also self-evident that I'm far from the only one with this perception considering I'm constantly autofilled for the role. The only people playing the lane are die-hard junglers and autofills.
: She's not broken as an ADC, and that's why she's not being played as much there. Her AA animation is far too slow to compete with most marksmen or replace one on a team. The reason she's a problem is because she does a lot of damage during team fights and skirmishes, but is allowed to heal an absurd amount like an enchanter. Obviously those two things can't exist at the same ratio because it's not fair I wouldn't say she's broken. She dies to a broken Nautilus hitbox just like the rest of us. If they toned down her damage, I think she'd be a healthy champion, but that's what makes her powerful right now, especially because support itemization is so terrible. Previously I probably would have said she was broken, but I've been permabanning Pyke throughout season 9, and the only time I stopped doing that was when Yuumi was released and allowed to have no weaknesses. So keep in mind I'm judging it by the absurd meta we're in today and I've got about 3 other supports I'm picking to ban before her. {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:89}}
> [{quoted}](name=Baby Ghoul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sjMPLvsI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-29T15:43:45.406+0000) > > She's not broken as an ADC, and that's why she's not being played as much there. > > Her AA animation is far too slow to compete with most marksmen or replace one on a team. The reason she's a problem is because she does a lot of damage during team fights and skirmishes, but is allowed to heal an absurd amount like an enchanter. Obviously those two things can't exist at the same ratio because it's not fair > > I wouldn't say she's broken. She dies to a broken Nautilus hitbox just like the rest of us. If they toned down her damage, I think she'd be a healthy champion, but that's what makes her powerful right now, especially because support itemization is so terrible. > > Previously I probably would have said she was broken, but I've been permabanning Pyke throughout season 9, and the only time I stopped doing that was when Yuumi was released and allowed to have no weaknesses. So keep in mind I'm judging it by the absurd meta we're in today and I've got about 3 other supports I'm picking to ban before her. {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:89}} Bruh, I don't know who you are trying to fool, but it isn't working. Senna has a VERY good winrate in Plat+ at 54%. She can and does ADC just fine, better than fine actually, she's dominating the lane. Mayhap you thought lots of words would make people forget how to google?
: She has a 51% win rate and is underperforming every other popular pick champ.....
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Un1Nnog,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-11-27T21:49:25.660+0000) > > She has a 51% win rate and is underperforming every other popular pick champ..... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Good joke, must meme. https://u.gg/lol/champions/senna/build?role=adc 54% winrate as ADC in plat+ and one of the highest ban rates I've seen in recent history. I see why your post got down voted into oblivion. She needs to be gutted.
: Aphelios is gonna be broken as shit
> [{quoted}](name=RandomYuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dYlOVi4E,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-28T01:51:36.131+0000) > > Aphelios is gonna be broken as shit And this should be expected at this point. It is actually a rare oddity that a new champion comes out that isn't broken beyond belief. This includes reworks. {{champion:235}} busted {{champion:246}} busted {{champion:350}} was OMGWTF busted {{champion:517}} was OMGWTF busted, remember his healing on release? {{champion:518}} was busted {{champion:555}} was and still is busted and will remain so until {{item:3400}} is removed {{champion:145}} was and still is busted {{champion:142}} this champion is still dumb. Does way to much damage to non-sleeping targets. Remember when she could pick up teleport? {{champion:516}} is the exception here, I don't remember him being particularly OP, his items needed adjusting though. {{champion:141}} was redonkulous on release. So of the last 10 new champions all but 1 were beyond broken upon release.
: {{champion:75}} And if you can't.....dodge. Thank me later.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QFIzREhO,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-29T01:13:06.467+0000) > > {{champion:75}} > > And if you can't.....dodge. > > Thank me later. Also {{champion:45}}
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