: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2019-06-01T02:50:31.112+0000) > > they can break the forum rules and go wayyyy overboard examples needed
Well everytime you see a post deleted/removed from a mod that would've been a penalty to your account if you spoke like that in a game. (Can't give good examples without spending like 30+ mins searching bc they should all be removed pretty fast)
: I agree completely. I've made a few posts in the past about trying to reform, and it's hard for me. I'm an ill-tempered person. And every single time I've been shot down, belittled, made fun of. People were even witch hunting me, stalking my EVERY post and EVERY comment on this board to the point it got so bad I had to switch to this account to post here. All because I was either confused about a punishment, or because I was trying to really show my passion to reform my ill behavior.
I think it's interesting that the general attitude seems to be that since person A obviously broke in game rules (toxicity inting etc) that they can break the forum rules and go wayyyy overboard, because on the forums at most your post gets removed.
Sarutobi (NA)
: I think a lot of it comes down to people just not putting up with BS anymore. Far too many times that I've seen on this board in particular where people try to act like smartasses with clear indications of them breaking numerous rules. But try to play it off as if they are the victims. It's annoying and doesn't help anyone in this situation. But that doesn't excuse some mods or people on this forum that are basically toxic towards people who break the rules. It's pretty shitty to do and doesn't fall in line with the ToS!
Yeah, it seems a lot of the people on this forum use the rules as a weapon, not a guideline if that makes sense. I.e. above Kfceytron absolutely reamed me and attacked my character, while simaeltaneously reporting one of my comments and getting it removed for being "offensive" Many of the people on this forum stalk people who seem "toxic" and take every chance they can to poke at them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-05-31T00:39:52.669+0000)As in, is there really a need to meet obvious toxicity with more toxicity. I honestly do not believe my post was toxic. A bit snarky, yes. Insulting or hostile? I don't think so, but I'll try to keep that in mind for the future.
Aw, don't worry, it wasn't too bad at all, but I can see it making someone mad. Thanks for stopping in to respond though, sorry if it felt like I was trying to call you out or something like hat, just trying to get a discussion going >~<
: > [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TiQxx7JZ,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-30T16:15:14.269+0000) > > https://imgur.com/5xvKs98 > grats.... Yeah, I was cheering for Shyvanna too
> [{quoted}](name=Banryuu,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TiQxx7JZ,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-05-30T17:16:06.840+0000) > > Yeah, I was cheering for Shyvanna too 1st of all, im like 90% I've seen you on furaffinity lol, 2nd I think shyvanas pretty OP rn actually
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-31T00:43:47.316+0000) > > The difference is that going to a forum is a voluntary act, thereby my question is essentially as you have no obligation to do so, why do you continue to expose yourself to "bad questions" and give them answers? I guess I'm probably too generous with my time, and I keep hoping that the next poster asking why they were punished will actually listen to the answer and turn over a new leaf.
I wonder what the type of response would be to people showing their personal progress as they reform. Or how such a post would even be formatted Edit: oh and re-reading your coworker response, I just misread it you were talking about my coworkers not forum goers sorry about that, trying to multi task!
: From my experience being a forum mole (across many games, mostly League and WoW), you don't typically see the people who are enjoying the game post on the forums. Maybe it's because they're too busy playing/enjoying the game to browse a forum, I don't really know. I surf forums in my spare time because I am bored and want a connection to the game even when I can't play it.
I suppose thats true, I used to get on the osrs forums a lot when I didnt wanna play lol
: I honestly prefer to get real answers from people without too much thought massage. lol Don't worry, you're succeeding at having a polite discussion even about a topic that aggravates you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T23:58:49.844+0000) > > I didn't refer to forum-goers as coworkers, I compared them to a few of my personal coworkers, and I'm asking why you see them as your coworkers. "you remind me of my coworkers who get annoyed at questions" "maybe those coworkers are tired of bad questions" "why do you think forum-goers are coworkers?"
The difference is that going to a forum is a voluntary act, thereby my question is essentially as you have no obligation to do so, why do you continue to expose yourself to "bad questions" and give them answers?
: So, since you picked a specific comment of mine, I'll pop by. The bluntness of my commenting is almost always driven by how much honest self-analysis would be required to actually remove the need to ask a question (i.e. how blatantly obvious the offense is), how much legitimate confusion/concern/dedication to improving the player shows, and how much their thread seems willing to accept the possibility of their error. If you come in saying "this is absolutely wrong and dumb and stupid and this bad is ridiculous," while your log has, say, hate speech, I'll be extremely blunt. If you come in saying "I'm really puzzled by this one and I'd like to prevent it happening again -- what was my issue here and how can I avoid it again?" I'm likely to be *much* softer. In the comment you specifically called out, the OP said the following: >...its gotten to the point where oneshotting the adc and typing in chat "get off my screen" is deemed toxic. > >...oops you said that jax with no full items at 45 minutes was useless, hey thats bad. > >...Im just so fucking sick of people being hyper sensitive to any criticism or somthing they dont like. Had the log not been full of obvious insults that a minute of self-reflection would have found were definitely above the "get off my screen" or "calling someone bad" level, I would have been much softer and more helpful in my tone (as I often am, if you look through my posting history). When someone does not seem inclined to actually look at their own behavior and acknowledge the possibility for error, however, I become more blunt. I did, however, still make a *productive* post, because while it is blunt it also clearly identifies the bits that were over the "friendly trash-talk" line.
I read the post, and as I replied to someone else below, you weren't wrong at all, just the way that you said it was hostile to me. As in, is there really a need to meet obvious toxicity with more toxicity.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-05-30T22:37:25.057+0000) > > My only real feedback to this rant is you called forum users co-workers, do you work for the forum in some capacity? Once again, someone not only disagrees with you but proves you factually incorrect, and you dismiss the whole thing as a rant because all you want to see is toadying. _You_ introduced the example of coworkers, not I. Did you forget that you'd done so? I was responding to that.
I didn't refer to forum-goers as coworkers, I compared them to a few of my personal coworkers, and I'm asking why you see them as your coworkers.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-05-30T09:54:48.378+0000) > > Your entire forum history is you going to posts and calling out the OP's toxic behavior and what you think they did wrong, in fact you left an extremely generic yet critical comment on one of my posts where I was asking if people thought I deserved my 14 day suspension. > > Edit: on top of this according to Op.gg and your league of legends match histories you haven't even played a game in 31 days, and summoners rift isn't even within your last 20 played games.. you are exactly the type of person this post is addressing. [](http://.) > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=0000000100020000,timestamp=2019-05-30T11:28:07.534+0000) > > Yeah, that was kind of pointless. It would've been better worded to say, why do you give daily feedback in the forums about players behavior, when you don't play the game on a regular basis? I guess it gave me the opinion that she comes to the forums planning to be negative. it wasn't meant to be an attack, but to point out her activeness on the forums vs in the game itself. {{sticker:sg-lulu}} [](http://.) > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T11:29:35.300+0000) > > I guess I don't understand why people respond to situations like that. > > I.e. A few people above when I look at their post history its a lot of "the reason you were banned is you flamed" etc. Like, why sit there and type that out again, and again, and again? It just seems overwhelmingly negative. You have obviously not done the research on my "entire forum history." I briefly looked over my last two weeks of posts, and here are the numbers of posts I've made in each sub-Board during that time: GD: 36 Gameplay: 22 PB: 20 Memes: 9 SAS: 9 Videos: 3 Bugs: 2 GD is the clear winner, followed by a mix of PB and Gameplay (with a slight edge going to Gameplay), and then a smattering of what would be labeled "Other" in a pie chart. To paraphrase Brand, this account is just one of many. I don't necessarily play LoL every day on an account I made for the novelty name. The game mode I play seems even less relevant than your other points so far. And, again, don't conflate negativity with disagreement. Just because a post isn't exactly what you want to hear doesn't mean the poster is trolling you. > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T11:35:19.850+0000) > > Gosh, let me try and rephrase um.... > > Ok, so the example that comes to mind, is I have a few coworkers who have worked at my company for 15+ years. They never got promotions and they lack enthusiasm. if you ask them a question, they sigh and give you a deadpan response.. > > When I see that someones forum history is majoritally explaining to people why they got a ban, that's what i picture. While the response itself is kind of blunt but not outright offensive, when I see people choosing to come do it every day, and thats the majority of their interaction, it comes off as a negative pattern... does that make sense? XD Maybe those coworkers are tired of answering the same questions for 15 years. Maybe the questions are answered by the manual which the asker obviously didn't read. Maybe they even wrote the manual. Maybe the answer is available not only in the manual, but via a quick Google search. Maybe they think the answer is so blatantly obvious that they're not sure if it's even a serious question. > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T10:28:58.458+0000) > > I found Kfc's comment on my thread to be lacking in thought, In fact I completely agree with Dynikus's summary of why I received my penalty, in what is the most upvoted comment on my thread. Generic meaning there was no thought/analysis, though she wasn't wrong. > > On topic, I've just been reading a lot of player behavior posts today and I find most of the commenters to be trolls, I wasn't referencing my own post. So, my answer was spot-on, but also thoughtless and generic? Ask a thoughtless and generic question, get a thoughtless and generic answer, I guess. There's not much I can do about that. > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=000000010002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T11:37:28.758+0000) > > Hmm, well it was obviously very poorly done on my end, but it was an attempt to get back on topic from me. > > Like, Why come to the forums daily, and tell people they deserve their penalty, instead of playing the game daily. Getting online to criticize people is a pattern of negative behavior IMO Which I don't understand > > Edit: I should have asked KFC why they got on the forums daily, while not playing the game, instead of pointing it out with accusatory phrasing, I just don't understand at all, not trying to start a fight lol Again, you don't know how much I play the game on my main or my other novelty accounts. It also has nothing to do with how much I post on Boards, which - unlike playing a match - I can do without dedicating 20-30 minutes of intense focus on a resource-heavy application that runs best in fullscreen mode and really doesn't do well with being alt-tabbed. But thank you for your interest.
My only real feedback to this rant is you called forum users co-workers, do you work for the forum in some capacity?
FeederIee (EUW)
: > I'd ask first here, as League support tends to take a good bit of time to get you a solid answer. i agree i always get solid answers on my matters > Du hast wiederholt absichtlich das Spielerlebnis deiner Mit- und Gegenspieler zerstört. Derartiges Verhalten dulden wir nicht, wie dir absolut bewusst ist. > Diese Entscheidung steht nicht zur Diskussion offen und steht so fest. Sofern du also keine anderen Themenbereiche ansprechen möchtest, betrachte ich diese Anfrage als gelöst und werde diese schließen. > > TheFuriousBacon > Riot Games Support Specialist > > "I'm already Tracer." Confirmed {{summoner:14}}
What I google translated that to " You have deliberately destroyed the gameplay of your opponents and opponents. We do not tolerate such behavior, as you are fully aware. This decision is not open for discussion and is so firm. So if you do not want to address other topics, I consider this request resolved and will close it " But idk why you quoted it lol
: >Feels like everyone trying to learn/improve on what caused them to get a ban/penalty gets put down even by heralds/mods. If you do see negative behavior anywhere on the boards, always feel free to report it or come to the Discord to report it to us. >Why do most of the regulars of the player behavior forum respond to clearly toxic situations/posts on a regular basis, while there's nothing wrong with being blunt to people, what drives you to comment? Do you think it will help them reform if enough people tell them it's their own fault? I'd like to think I help them reform, after any penalty. But that's always entirely up to the OP. You mention the deadpan responses, and I try to be blunt and concise with my answers, as you never really know how much of a response someone will read, so you have to make your words count.
I guess it can make someone realize they're wrong if a bunch of people tell them that. Thanks for the response :)
: well i cant speak for everyone obviously, but if a clearly toxic and salty person posts a rant of misinformation and lies, I post in the hopes of that anyone coming here looking for ACTUAL answers and information wont fall for the troll's drivel this board is supposed to be helpful and toxic people spewing nonsense just bc they are mad they got punished isnt helpful to anyone
: no, sorry that does not make sense if they are not insulting, merely explaining the situation (no matter how deadpan) it does not automatically make it negative just bc 513423 people have complained about being banned for ZT words doesnt make the basic explanation used 513423 times "you used ZT words, that results in a 14 day ban" a negative response
I guess basically, I want to know why people respond to clearly toxic posts on a regular basis, or seek them out on purpose.
: You don't get to be gatekeeper of the forum. There are no requirements to post here, and just because someone hasn't played **on one specific account** for x number of days doesn't mean they don't have valuable insight.
I don't disagree, I just want to understand why. I've been up way too long and am kind of making myself look like an idiot by typing up the first thing that comes into my head rather then stopping to think what would get the actual response I'm looking for. I'ma go to bed now, will try to reply tomorrow!
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=0000000100020000,timestamp=2019-05-30T11:28:07.534+0000) > > Yeah, that was kind of pointless. It would've been better worded to say, why do you give daily feedback in the forums about players behavior, when you don't play the game on a regular basis? I guess it gave me the opinion that she comes to the forums planning to be negative. it wasn't meant to be an attack, but to point out her activeness on the forums vs in the game itself. {{sticker:sg-lulu}} That would still be something that has nothing to do with their answer. It only seeks to dismiss them without actually addressing their post.
Hmm, well it was obviously very poorly done on my end, but it was an attempt to get back on topic from me. Like, Why come to the forums daily, and tell people they deserve their penalty, instead of playing the game daily. Getting online to criticize people is a pattern of negative behavior IMO Which I don't understand Edit: I should have asked KFC why they got on the forums daily, while not playing the game, instead of pointing it out with accusatory phrasing, I just don't understand at all, not trying to start a fight lol
: i dont think the example you used is negative at all blunt? sure, but not negative most people who come here are salty and tilted over their punishment, they are just looking for an echo-chamber for their aggravation so being flowery with our responses is viewed as a waste of time (depending on the tone of the OP IMO)
Gosh, let me try and rephrase um.... Ok, so the example that comes to mind, is I have a few coworkers who have worked at my company for 15+ years. They never got promotions and they lack enthusiasm. if you ask them a question, they sigh and give you a deadpan response.. When I see that someones forum history is majoritally explaining to people why they got a ban, that's what i picture. While the response itself is kind of blunt but not outright offensive, when I see people choosing to come do it every day, and thats the majority of their interaction, it comes off as a negative pattern... does that make sense? XD
: > I guess I'm wondering mainly if I should just /muteall so I dont throw myself under the bridge... Opening games with /muteall is definitely a viable solution, particularly if your only issue is in responding to flamers/negativity. Though, if your problem is being negative yourself, another general solution (one which I don't personally agree with) could be to unbind your Enter key. I don't really recall the most common/reliable/safe method of doing so, but I at least recall one of the other PB regulars (Kei143, I think?) has recommended it to some players. > ...or just transfer my username to my alt (it's my IRL first name which i'm pretty proud of having!) I think, as long as you can see where your problem lies clearly and know how to go about tackling it, you probably wouldn't need to transfer your screenname. > Your answer is super detailed, so I appreciate the help... I strive to be thorough, failing all else. Glad I could be of service. > ...also LOL at drinking water because I'm angry! There are a lot of stupid things that work too well. And there's a saying I like; "If it looks stupid but it works, it ain't stupid." > Oh, hey! And while I have you, since you're a specialist - Could you kind of explain the honor system to me? Certainly. One moment, though; > (even though I don't know what that means, it's bright and blue xD) Basically, I'm a regular of the PB Board who's well-knowledgeable about the Board's subjects; specifically, the IFS, the Honor System, player behavior, and punishments. If you see a blue name and flair on a board, you can generally expect that person to know a fair bit about the board they're on. As for the Honor System; > I know I got a ward from it awhile ago, buuuuuuuut I've never received anything beyond the loading banner lol It's essentially a means for players to have their general positive behavior gauged and rewarded throughout the year. Sportsmanlike behavior and Honoring players progresses you through the Honor Levels, and at each level and checkpoint, you get various rewards. At Honor Level 3+, being Honored (once by non-premades, or twice by premade teammates) gives you an Honor Flair in the loading screen of your next match, and makes you eligible for Bonus End-of-Season Honor Rewards - which would be the Honor Wards you mentioned earlier. Additionally, at Honor Level 5, you're guaranteed to get an Honor-Exclusive skin (Grey Warwick or Medieval Twitch), or a special Chroma for the skins if you have them already, or, failing that, a guaranteed Epic-tier Skin Shard (1350RP+). That's the short of it; most of the other details (Ambient Key Fragment generation, End-of-Season reward eligibility/Clash eligibility, etc.) are more-or-less minor details, though I could certainly explain more if need be.
: some responses might come across as blunt because, frankly, regular forum users are constantly answering the same questions and deal with the same nonsense arguments over and over again. A blunt response is natural over time.
I guess I don't understand why people respond to situations like that. I.e. A few people above when I look at their post history its a lot of "the reason you were banned is you flamed" etc. Like, why sit there and type that out again, and again, and again? It just seems overwhelmingly negative.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WBEyecEE,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-05-30T09:54:48.378+0000) > > Your entire forum history is you going to posts and calling out the OP's toxic behavior and what you think they did wrong, in fact you left an extremely generic yet critical comment on one of my posts where I was asking if people thought I deserved my 14 day suspension. > > Edit: on top of this according to Op.gg and your league of legends match histories you haven't even played a game in 31 days, and summoners rift isn't even within your last 20 played games.. you are exactly the type of person this post is addressing. I also see a lot of posters bringing up irrelevant things to attack someone else about when they want to discredit them but wont address the argument. Such as sifting through their match history when the argument has nothing to do with how frequently they play on that account.
Yeah, that was kind of pointless. It would've been better worded to say, why do you give daily feedback in the forums about players behavior, when you don't play the game on a regular basis? I guess it gave me the opinion that she comes to the forums planning to be negative. it wasn't meant to be an attack, but to point out her activeness on the forums vs in the game itself. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
: And you are exactly the type of OP who got punished, didn't like the answers he got from the board, and then had to start attacking people here to try to prove a point (and fail.) You got punished, not the board members. You came to the boards, not the other way around. You seriously need to start some introspection, or you're going to get permabanned as the next step.
Uh. The top comment on my post about my punishment is that while my chat was a bit negative, I probably was auto-flagged for repeating the use of a non tolerated word, and that I should try submitting a ticket to see if it was a mistake.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: No. The knowledge of being in the clear might make people regress to the behaviour that previously got them in trouble. People might even consciously choose to, for example, feed as much as they can without being permabanned.
That makes sense to me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply :)
: That, I'll definitely give. Not particularly about Kei143's comment, since there's a degree of sarcasm and jest, but I was definitely wrong on the talking-down front. I still wouldn't say that it was antagonistic, but the barb was certainly unnecessary either way - and this is pot talking about kettle here. I understand why The Djinn took that route. I've done it myself a few times. People for whatever reason build up this preconception that criticism is always harsh (I.E., flame) and that banter between strangers is the same as banter between close friends (I.E., flame), and there are times when you need to hammer home that constructive criticism exists and that the abusive language that's fine between close friends and whomever won't fly with people who don't know (you). And, being human, we sometimes take the low road, like that. There was almost certainly a better way for The Djinn to get the same message across, but driving the point home will sometimes win out over decorum. I'd still maintain, though, that the Moderators do put forward their best in discussions, even if they sometimes slip.
I mean, Djinn wasn't wrong, but the thing that pushes it over the edge is it was Djinn's initial comment. And I guess my point is I feel like when there is even a hint of toxicity the response is super toxic, as if it's justified by the Op's negative behavior. And I'm not saying that the mods are going to far and must be stoped viva le revolution!!!, just trying to figure out if I just have a sort of backwards POV. Kind of getting the impression that being super blunt and even rude is considered OK if the post is "chat restriction?" where the question mark invites peoples opinions on what earned them the restriction.
Kei143 (NA)
: Punishment tier downgrade is currently not related to honors level. Infact, honors have nothing to do with how close one is getting punished. They can move up an honor level and get punished the next game. I'm guessing what you are looking for is the exact formula on the downgrade? **The average gamer will take around 3 months of play to drop a punishment tier. ** if you play alot of games, it will take less time to drop a tier. More if you don't play that much. That bolded part was statement from Riot Tantram, you can try to look for it on Google, but unless you know the exact keywords, it won't show up on your search results.
Do you get any kind of notification for going down a tier?
: Understand the champ before you get mad at the person playing them
: I'm not sure precisely what you mean by the title, but judging by the last part of the paragraph, I'm going to guess you're looking for info about two things; 1) The Punishment Tiers 2) Punishment De-escalation --- **Punishment Tiers** As implied, the punishment tiers are a ladder of increasingly severe punishments issued for continuous misbehavior. Breaking the rules consistently or severely enough will net you a punishment, and in general, the system follows some basic rules of progression for punishment tiers. Starting with the most basic progression; - 10-Game Chat Restriction - 25-Game Chat Restriction - 14-Day Ban - Permanent Ban Assuming that your misbehavior is frequent and at least low-key to moderate (taking longer for more modest offenses, like defeatism), you'll progress down the ladder as shown above. More severe misbehavior will push you through the tiers quicker, while less disruptive/aggressive behaviors will push you along a bit slower. However, the first two tiers can be skipped, provided the use of hate speech (racial/homophobic slurs, disability-based insults, etc.) or encouragements of self-harm, resulting in a progression of 14-day ban > permaban; and, further still, it is possible to jump to a permanent suspension out of the gate for issuing death threats. Additionally, while Gameplay misbehavior isn't quite as well-detected as chat misbehavior, it has its own punishment track, which seems to be separate from that of the chat tiers. Since chat restrictions wouldn't suffice for gameplay related punishments, trolling/intentionally feeding merits a 14-day suspension on the first offense, then a permanent ban afterwards. --- **Punishment De-escalation** This is generally a subject that can only be spoken of vaguely, since we have no real concrete details about how the system de-escalates players through the punishment tiers. We only know that through continuous play and neutral behavior (roughly 4-6 months~ worth of games), you can go down a tier in the punishment ladder. So, from a 14-day suspension, if one plays frequently enough without validating reports made against them, they can wind up back at the 25-game CR tier, where their next instance of misbehavior will either result in or push them closer towards another 14-day suspension. And, bear in mind; it is 4~ months _worth_ of games; one has to play to show their reform, and abandoning your account for however long will not reduce your account's risk of punishment. Playing consistently and showing at least neutral behavior (not validating reports) is the only way to de-escalate through the punishment tiers. --- Other things worth noting; - The 14-day ban is pretty much the "point of no return", and any further misbehavior will almost certainly result in your account being permanently banned. - There are a lot of general options for you to regain standing, but as mentioned above, the bare minimum requirement is frequent play and not validating reports. Without any real information about de-escalation, I can't say that showing positive behavior will directly help - but it certainly wouldn't hurt, either. - Failing that, there are a lot of self-control tricks that could potentially help. From swearing aloud, breathing exercises, jamming out to music, to even ostensibly bullshit "tricks" like drinking water, eating, or changing clothes, there's doubtless gonna be something that should help improve mood or maintain restraint. Hopefully I addressed what you wanted to know about the system, though if not, feel free to clarify what I may have missed, and if you want me to try and more thoroughly explain something I brought up, you're certainly free to ask.
Oh, hey! And while I have you, since you're a specialist (even though I don't know what that means, it's bright and blue xD) Could you kind of explain the honor system to me? I know I got a ward from it awhile ago, buuuuuuuut I've never received anything beyond the loading banner lol
: I'm not sure precisely what you mean by the title, but judging by the last part of the paragraph, I'm going to guess you're looking for info about two things; 1) The Punishment Tiers 2) Punishment De-escalation --- **Punishment Tiers** As implied, the punishment tiers are a ladder of increasingly severe punishments issued for continuous misbehavior. Breaking the rules consistently or severely enough will net you a punishment, and in general, the system follows some basic rules of progression for punishment tiers. Starting with the most basic progression; - 10-Game Chat Restriction - 25-Game Chat Restriction - 14-Day Ban - Permanent Ban Assuming that your misbehavior is frequent and at least low-key to moderate (taking longer for more modest offenses, like defeatism), you'll progress down the ladder as shown above. More severe misbehavior will push you through the tiers quicker, while less disruptive/aggressive behaviors will push you along a bit slower. However, the first two tiers can be skipped, provided the use of hate speech (racial/homophobic slurs, disability-based insults, etc.) or encouragements of self-harm, resulting in a progression of 14-day ban > permaban; and, further still, it is possible to jump to a permanent suspension out of the gate for issuing death threats. Additionally, while Gameplay misbehavior isn't quite as well-detected as chat misbehavior, it has its own punishment track, which seems to be separate from that of the chat tiers. Since chat restrictions wouldn't suffice for gameplay related punishments, trolling/intentionally feeding merits a 14-day suspension on the first offense, then a permanent ban afterwards. --- **Punishment De-escalation** This is generally a subject that can only be spoken of vaguely, since we have no real concrete details about how the system de-escalates players through the punishment tiers. We only know that through continuous play and neutral behavior (roughly 4-6 months~ worth of games), you can go down a tier in the punishment ladder. So, from a 14-day suspension, if one plays frequently enough without validating reports made against them, they can wind up back at the 25-game CR tier, where their next instance of misbehavior will either result in or push them closer towards another 14-day suspension. And, bear in mind; it is 4~ months _worth_ of games; one has to play to show their reform, and abandoning your account for however long will not reduce your account's risk of punishment. Playing consistently and showing at least neutral behavior (not validating reports) is the only way to de-escalate through the punishment tiers. --- Other things worth noting; - The 14-day ban is pretty much the "point of no return", and any further misbehavior will almost certainly result in your account being permanently banned. - There are a lot of general options for you to regain standing, but as mentioned above, the bare minimum requirement is frequent play and not validating reports. Without any real information about de-escalation, I can't say that showing positive behavior will directly help - but it certainly wouldn't hurt, either. - Failing that, there are a lot of self-control tricks that could potentially help. From swearing aloud, breathing exercises, jamming out to music, to even ostensibly bullshit "tricks" like drinking water, eating, or changing clothes, there's doubtless gonna be something that should help improve mood or maintain restraint. Hopefully I addressed what you wanted to know about the system, though if not, feel free to clarify what I may have missed, and if you want me to try and more thoroughly explain something I brought up, you're certainly free to ask.
I guess I'm wondering mainly if I should just /muteall so I dont throw myself under the bridge, or just transfer my username to my alt (it's my IRL first name which i'm pretty proud of having!) But I THINK I'll be ok just doing the muteall option. Your answer is super detailed, so I appreciate the help, also LOL at drinking water because I'm angry!
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dHzLOgYs,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-30T10:49:47.218+0000) > > My understanding is against bruisers you just W farm and roam bc they cant match your roams at all. I mean. You could do that, but most bruisers have enough wave clear to match you. So if you roam you will lose turret very fast. Cause they also like demolish.
: Talon can go top. But it’s not first pickable. Any bruiser is going to wreck you. Probably best picked into something like ryze, Quinn or gangplank.
My understanding is against bruisers you just W farm and roam bc they cant match your roams at all.
zPOOPz (NA)
: for the sake of discussion, why don't you quote some of these mods where they go overboard?
Im just so fucking sick of people being hyper sensitive to any criticism or somthing they dont like. Let's see if you're giving actual criticism or insults then! Ÿåsûø: how beta of you Ÿåsûø: dont even type Ÿåsûø: nice score r%%%%% Ÿåsûø: youre gonna feed some more? Ÿåsûø: so if you want to be the white knight Ÿåsûø: go look at the summoners code if youre that type of kid Ÿåsûø: he sure didnt teach you english Ÿåsûø: me and kha are having fun you liberals need to chill Ÿåsûø: nice troll Ÿåsûø: we both have trash jg's but ours is more useless ...nope. Definitely insults. The definition of banter (which is allowed) is "talk or exchange remarks in a good-humored teasing way." That's not what this is. Poster of the comment is The Djinn. The comment seems to be flat out antagonistic to me.. and thats just the first page of comments I checked. {{sticker:sg-janna}} Edit: source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Zs3JIly4-another-chat-restriction-and-how-i-feel-this-time-around?comment=00040000 Edit2: Kei143's comment is what I would expect a mod to say, super professional.
Kei143 (NA)
: Main things you need to know: * There are 2 parts to the verbal punishment system * Machine Learning Algorithm punishments * Zero Tolerance punishments The Machine Learning (ML) part punishes people based on consistency x severity. Think of it like a health bar in a music game, when you hit notes at a bad timing, your health bar increases but reduces when you hit notes at a good timing. You'll need more good timing notes to decrease the health bar, and when your health bar fills up, you lose the round. This part of the system can understand the general tone of the conversation, and can understand when you are joking around or when you intended to insult / harass someone. The Zero Tolerance (ZT) part of the punishment will punish people upon usage of the words, regardless of circumstances. If you are repeating ZT phrases, you are at risk to get punished as well. From a punishment perspective, ML punishments are based on a punishment ladder: 1. 10 Game chat restriction 2. 25 games chat restriction 3. 14-day ban 4. Permaban ZT punishments will skip 2 tiers of punishment, straight to 14-day ban on a clean account and can skip a person into permaban if they've had 10 games chat restriction previously. Everytime you move up a punishment tier, it gets easier to be punished, as the system sees you as a repeat offender unwilling to reform. We've seen plenty of cases where people get mildly toxic within the first few games after their 14-day ban and they would get a punishment from that game, resulting in a permaban. It's possible to drop punishment tiers, it typically takes 3 months of playtime for the average gamer to drop a punishment tier, so for your account at a 14-day ban status, it'll take 9 months of play to drop back into a clean account. Keep in mind that if you play less than an average gamer, then it will take more time for your account to drop punishment tiers. Side note, don't confuse your honors progress with dropping a punishment tier. They are currently not linked.
Thanks, that's actually super helpful! It is kinda confusing with the honor, because when you get a chat penalty your honor takes a hit. I was honor 3 for awhile, and had no restrictions/penalties for like a year and in the last month I've got a chat penalty and a 14 day suspension. I think I need to start /muteall at the beginning of matches. (I picked up a summer Job while living on college campus, and rely on it to pay for said housing, and oh my gosh it is SO abusive. Gave 2 weeks notice today because I'm on edge all the time, and I've snapped at people for ? pinging me lol)
: From my experience of seeing other ppl's account slowly getting banned (each punishment got harsher and harsher) I can confirm that the 14 day suspension is the 'last warning' before the perm. In terms of getting your account back to good standing, the support team is willing to tell what you have to do specifically to your account to get it back. Don't be afraid to reach out to them as they will have more exact details.
Thanks! I once had a 2 hour discussion with a mod on a ticket just because of repeated miscommunications between us, so I figured I'd ask first here, as League support tends to take a good bit of time to get you a solid answer. (I also once had a pc with minimum specs that wouldnt run the game and it took 4 hours of tech support to get back in the game.. xD)
: > Feels like everyone trying to learn/improve on what caused them to get a ban/penalty gets put down even by heralds/mods. For starters, if you want to discuss the behavior of the Moderation team, you'll probably want to go to _[Discuss the Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation)_ or take it up with someone in the [NA Boards Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). Beyond that, I'm seriously doubtful that the Moderators/Heralds have spoken down to anyone recently, much less throughout their time in the position. They hold themselves to a pretty high standard of respectfulness and impartiality, so unless you've got evidence, I'm gonna have a hard time trusting what's already put forward as a subjective feeling. And, like KFCeytron said (though not precisely), more often than not, the people who come here asking about their punishments seldom actually want to or try to learn or understand; I can see how the responses to those players can be seen as putting them down, since, naturally, when folks are uncooperative, it's going to color the responses they get from people who initially try to help, but at the end of the day, it's a two-way street. If one party isn't coming at the other even, the discussion isn't going to go anywhere, no matter how civil and respectful the other party tries to be. So if people _really_ want to learn and improve, they wouldn't shut us out when we explain where they stepped over the line, and they wouldn't adamantly insist that they did no wrong, or that their behavior was justified by someone else's misbehavior - etc. > Most people are trying to learn, or at least get a secondary opinion about what they did. Again; more often than not, we wind up seeing people shut out opinions that disagree with them. There are certainly a fair handful of people who do try to understand and learn, but the greater portion are looking for validation or an echo chamber. And you can explain the same stuff over and over 'til the cows come home, but if the person you're trying to explain it to refuses to hear it, then they're not gonna learn. > I actually feel like some of the comments on this forum would be getting you a chat penalty in game lol. Some, I've seen, yes. And typically, those comments also earn some form of punishment on the Forums when reported, too. Mostly comment/post pruning/removal, but sometimes warnings and temporary suspensions are used when someone is proven to be belligerent. > But am I the only one who's noticed this? "Noticed" is probably the wrong term to use here; at least, it's inconsistent with your opening by saying that what you perceive is "feeling". So, for the sake of semantics, I'm going to take this question as "has anyone else felt this way" instead of "has anyone else noticed this". And the answer is that there are doubtless some out there who feel the same way as you. I myself ain't one of them, being frank. I've hung around PB for a while, so I'm pretty well familiar with the way discussions go. While I can say that there are some (myself included) who could certainly do better to keep composed when people start throwing up walls, I wouldn't say that people frequently talk down to others. > Not to mention mysterious amounts of upvotes or downvotes that are multiple times the actual comments. Define "mysterious". I personally start considering it sketchy when a comment/post jumps to 30-40 votes in under an hour.
I guess it'd be more accurate to say that the mods on the forums are more willing to snap at things they don't like rather then just move on. I.e. if the OP won't accept the mods point of view, the mod usually goes a bit overboard to try and prove their point. The environment of this thread gets toxic fast, is what I meant to say.
Kei143 (NA)
: In your other post, KFCeytron told you **EXACTLY** why you got punished, so that's not really a generic comment, it's very specific towards your chatlogs. Though if you wanted more clarity, you could have asked for it. Not sure what else you wanted her to say. Also, people's frequency of playing the game have no effect on how much they know in regards to how the system works. On topic though, you have to ask the right questions inorder for you to get the right answers. If you come here and question your punishment, we'll let you know why you got punished for those specific chatlogs. If you want to learn about the system, then that's what you have to ask. To be fair, your other post about your 14-day ban wasn't written in a way to pose as a discussion, but rather a rant. A rant with alot of misconceptions may I add.
I found Kfc's comment on my thread to be lacking in thought, In fact I completely agree with Dynikus's summary of why I received my penalty, in what is the most upvoted comment on my thread. Generic meaning there was no thought/analysis, though she wasn't wrong. On topic, I've just been reading a lot of player behavior posts today and I find most of the commenters to be trolls, I wasn't referencing my own post.
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Dynikus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lnbINElf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-29T05:22:23.388+0000) > > Bruh. I wasn't calling anyone it though, I was called it and pointing out it was toxic *sigh* I've heard board mods recommend players that were banned for simply repeating things someone else said to open support tickets, so you _might_ be able to contest the ban through a support ticket if that was the reasoning for you getting punished.
I appreciate your feedback. It makes me feel a bit better to know you kinda agree with my point of view, in that I wasn't consciously trying to abuse people though I was being a bit overly negative. I'll try a ticket and see.. I have an alt I play jungle/adc on so I'll probably start practicing ezreal like I've been meaning to for ages lol
: How do you jungle now?
What I do is usually mute all right away bc people blame me when they get ganked. I then farm as hard as I can unless 1. I'm going to anti jungle, then I want a buff and to try and kill enemy jungler or 2. you see a free kill. While you farm watch the minimap as hard as you can. a big part of why I gank for jg, when I never do for other lanes is that people will spam ping for you to come gank them, then expect you to 1v1 their laner.. it can really set you back, use your OWN judgement! Good luck summoner :3
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yukumari (NA)
: Riot is sending mixed messages with Janna.
I feel like pure support supports are falling off.. I.E people HATE Yuumi yet shes arguably better then Janna/soraka in the middle of a fight bc of burst heals speedups etc
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: The state Ezreal is in is disgusting. Riot is blatantly overpowering that champion to sell skins
YaraUwU (NA)
: What role do you main and why?
I've Mained every role at some point and am sort of back and forthing right now on which one I REALLY want to main. Top pros: You're the hardest lane to gank, you can pick a lot of off meta picks if you play safe, often the top lane is a slow trade of farming unless one gets to all in the other, but not overextending and having a little range to last hit solves this problem.. Cons: A lot of top laners are just overtuned as heck in a 1v1 scenario, aftershock itself lets them eat most burst. Also if you are overextended, you're one of the EASIEST to gank! Mid: Pros, Roaming roaming roaming. You're in the middle. My fave champions include Talon, and Aurelion sol. You can try to gank the jungler, gank top and bot.. if you pick a good roamer, especially against a champ that can't match your roams you get to make plays for free. Try not to risk your life and if you don't get a kill, or even a summoner, you didn't lose anything! Cons: Roaming roaming roaming.. you're in the middle, so you're the easiest for everyone on the enemy team to gank.. though this is slightly countered by vision or roaming yourself. Jungle:[pros I play Kindred and warwick mainly in the jungle, and its very fun to alternate from farming, placing vision, and keeping track of where everyone is.. Counter ganking, or running into an enemy as they try to dive almost always gets you a kill. don't tower dive to try and force plays unless you KNOW you'll win the fight AND survive. It's honestly relaxing and feels so smooth when it goes well.. Cons: TBH if you get anti jungled hard.. or your team just doesnt respond to your ganks at all... OR you keep getting anti ganked.. The joke "better jg wins" is even designed to further tilt you. Jungling is about being proactive, but if the enemy JG is smart they will simply react to what you do. It's hard to be unpredictable enough to prevent this, and you can feel totally useless... certain jgs like Nunu kind of lessen this as you can just nope out, and provide CC while being durable. ADC: pros farming earlhy and trading pokes is fun af.. Cons: Teamfights aren't great.. Unless you're vayne or kallista with built in evasion most teamfights rely on someone peeling for you, or you hiding til most of the burst is done. You also lack 1v1 potential, most adcs are basically a mobile turret, easily smashed, but intensely high damage. When you have a team comp that can't keep you alive it can be hard to be relevant at all. Support pros: Passivity/aggression.. You can choose to fight constantly, poke constantly, or stay back and react/punish enemies. You can roam to gank, or try and build full damage.. ADC and SUPP can be godly with communication like voice chat.. Cons: without communication it can be a cluster, and I find botlane to be the most toxic of lanes honestly. And if you build FULL support you're either useless beyond a few stuns, or if you're doing well, way weaker then you could be.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Gabriyel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lnbINElf,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-29T05:23:12.303+0000) > > Lmao > > "banned for spamming rude emotes" > > BUT RIOT U MADE ME PAY FOR THE EMOTE like i would just laugh so hard if i got banned for using emotes. like wtf? if you don't want me to face palm don't make the facepalm emote. that's entrapment at it's finest.
Julevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tanerian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lnbINElf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-29T05:54:31.748+0000) > If enough people.dont enjoy playing with you, you will get banned. Although I see where you are coming from I would like to discuss this point a bit. The system is based on given data (e.g. from the tribunal time) and is also constantly learning. Of course it is logical that the punishment is orientated what Riot as the company and a majority of people dislike seeing in-game **but** you will not always be banned because a certain amount of people disagree with it. I would rather word it as: "If you break the rules, you will get banned. The rules are based on the opinion of Riot and the community". Now you might ask: what's the difference? Last season I prefered playing Xerath as a support - I really did. And I played him as a true support - support items, warding, trying not to ks and so on. Three guesses who still had a problem with me. Right, often my ADC or other teammates. Picking him in champ-select? REEEEE, Julevi is trolling. Taking the kill because otherwise they would escape? REEE, no support just ksing. ADC dies because their own decision and not reacting to my pings/chat? REEEEEE, report!!111! Enemy team sees me? LOOOOL, Julevi is trolling, Xerath no gut, Xerath only midlane - should we report him? That was my experience and gosh, I got reported so much for it (even when we won) - never ever received I so many threats or actual evidences (sent pictures in the post-game lobby) that they reported me. But you know what? I am still playing. Even when a lot of people didn't enjoy playing with me at that time it never ever broke the rules.
This resonates with me, partly bc I recently spent 50 games learning aurelion sol support... A couple games I had 1-3 kills and 0 deaths by 15 minutes while my adc had more then 4 deaths and either zero, or 1 kill (which I made the play but I digress) and they inevitably start blaming me for not picking a tank, explaining that, in essence, a tank would be able to save them from themselves hahaha XD
Tanerian (NA)
: You can always tell someone complaining about a ban deserved it when they start their post with how well they did, like it matters at all. If enough people.dont enjoy playing with you, you will get banned. Reading your chat log.. yeesh. Dont think I've ever enjoyed playing with someone who spammed chat as much as you did. Just stop talking. You wont get banned. You said nothing of value the entire game. You just sound like an angsty teen trying to "win" an internet argument about who played worse.
It was a 30 minute game, I wasn't spamming. Also I think I ended the match 2/9 or something, I didn't do well at ALL I just won the laning phase, like I said 20-4. I only "gave up" when my team was afk in nexus voting no to surrenders for the last 6 mins
Julevi (EUW)
: When you didn't receive any punishment in the last months I would suggest that you file a support-ticket as they might lift your ban.
I might, but I'm kinda disheartened by this. I feel like salty people prob out here reporting every game xD
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