: > [{quoted}](name=Cotten Eyed Joe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YmNHZFUi,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-04T08:08:50.138+0000) > > Mastery points don't prove you're right about Jax. No disrespect but what you're saying just factually is incorrect. Youre an early game Jax. Your playstyle fits shaco and rengar but not Jax. You need Tiamat to constantly have YOUR camps cleared and allow for better ganks. Jax clears slow without tia. You can't counter jungle because a lot of other junglers will shit on you if they catch you. That’s just not true. I can clear my camps very quickly without Tiamat and counter-jungle very effectively against most junglers while still locking down objectives. Maybe we have 2 different play style but I find that I clear my camps very quickly and still have time to gank at least 2 lanes before they start respawning.
> [{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YmNHZFUi,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-04T08:15:12.396+0000) > > That’s just not true. I can clear my camps very quickly without Tiamat and counter-jungle very effectively against most junglers while still locking down objectives. Maybe we have 2 different play style but I find that I clear my camps very quickly and still have time to gank at least 2 lanes before they start respawning. I found that it all depends on the enemy jungler, if you know they can clear fast then you will have a hard time with counter jungling, but against slower clear junglers its pretty eastm I was vs a mundo and I counter jungled him so hard he was 75 to my 200 by the time the game was over I also didnt have Tiamat
: Alright so I am a Jax main and used to be OTP. A lot of questions you asked are dependent on what you like and what your preferences are. That being said, here are my two cents on what you said. 1.) Buying tiamat depends on what you're playing. Lane Jax does not always need it, but jungle jax does for better clear. For lane, it depends on the matchup. Against champs like Nasus or Quinn, where you don't want to be pushing, its a very bad buy. But if you want to match the pushing of say Yasuo or Fiora, then I would recommend it. Buy tiamat for top has its ups and downs. Its gives you a bit of an edge in lane but delays your Triforce powerspike. 2.) Cinderhulk is an okay jungle item if you don't want to buy tiamat on jungle jax and your team desperately needs a tank. If you take generally though, bloodrazor is a lot better but is extremely expensive. As a general rule of thumb, Cinderhulk means you build triforce, bloodrazor means you build titanic hydra second. 3.) Never go AP unless you're playing URF or for fun. It does not work well as it only scales off your E and W, abilities that generally are pretty high CD and don't deal a lot as AP. 4.) Warrior is an okay buy, but usually Cinderhulk is the better damage option. Jungle: Start with machete and refillable. First back go tiamat and boots. Then Blue smite Bloodrazor - Titanic - Shojan - Steraks - Tank item OR Start machete and refillable. First back go bami's and boots. Then Blue smite Cinderhulk - Triforce - Shojan - Steraks - Tank item Top: Triforce - Shojan - Titanic - Steraks - Boots - Tank item (Usually deadman's) For runes, you'll want to run Conqueror top (Remember to take Last Stand and not Coup de Grace) triumph, and alacrity or tenacity For jungle, you can run PTA. Hail of Blades or Electrocute. I personally take HoB. Matchups for Top: Generally you do not win vs any champion early unless played correctly. Some hard matchups I find are Darius, Garen, Quinn and Kennen. Darius - you want to E his W. If you do decide to fight, make sure to stack your passive up before all in. After 6, your 3rd auto generally gives you some breathing room to trade. Garen - E his Q, don't fight in his E. Pretend to all in, make him waste his W Quinn - Don't walk up to farm. Let her push and farm under turret. If you decide to fight, wait until she decides to vault and then Q her. Kennen - Hide behind minions, same as Quinn. I'd suggest checking out r/jaxmains on reddit and reading up on some guides. Hope this helps!
> [{quoted}](name=Cotten Eyed Joe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YmNHZFUi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-04T02:38:36.895+0000) > > Alright so I am a Jax main and used to be OTP. A lot of questions you asked are dependent on what you like and what your preferences are. > > That being said, here are my two cents on what you said. > > 1.) Buying tiamat depends on what you're playing. Lane Jax does not always need it, but jungle jax does for better clear. For lane, it depends on the matchup. Against champs like Nasus or Quinn, where you don't want to be pushing, its a very bad buy. But if you want to match the pushing of say Yasuo or Fiora, then I would recommend it. Buy tiamat for top has its ups and downs. Its gives you a bit of an edge in lane but delays your Triforce powerspike. > > 2.) Cinderhulk is an okay jungle item if you don't want to buy tiamat on jungle jax and your team desperately needs a tank. If you take generally though, bloodrazor is a lot better but is extremely expensive. As a general rule of thumb, Cinderhulk means you build triforce, bloodrazor means you build titanic hydra second. > > 3.) Never go AP unless you're playing URF or for fun. It does not work well as it only scales off your E and W, abilities that generally are pretty high CD and don't deal a lot as AP. > > 4.) Warrior is an okay buy, but usually Cinderhulk is the better damage option. > > Jungle: > Start with machete and refillable. First back go tiamat and boots. Then Blue smite Bloodrazor - Titanic - Shojan - Steraks - Tank item > > OR > > Start machete and refillable. First back go bami's and boots. Then Blue smite Cinderhulk - Triforce - Shojan - Steraks - Tank item > > Top: > Triforce - Shojan - Titanic - Steraks - Boots - Tank item (Usually deadman's) > > > For runes, you'll want to run Conqueror top (Remember to take Last Stand and not Coup de Grace) triumph, and alacrity or tenacity > > For jungle, you can run PTA. Hail of Blades or Electrocute. I personally take HoB. > > > Matchups for Top: > Generally you do not win vs any champion early unless played correctly. Some hard matchups I find are Darius, Garen, Quinn and Kennen. > Darius - you want to E his W. If you do decide to fight, make sure to stack your passive up before all in. After 6, your 3rd auto generally gives you some breathing room to trade. > > Garen - E his Q, don't fight in his E. Pretend to all in, make him waste his W > > Quinn - Don't walk up to farm. Let her push and farm under turret. If you decide to fight, wait until she decides to vault and then Q her. > > Kennen - Hide behind minions, same as Quinn. > > I'd suggest checking out r/jaxmains on reddit and reading up on some guides. Hope this helps! You helped me tons man! Thanks. I have generally been building BR Into TF whatever boot I need for the match and a shojan generally the matches end about the time im done with my shojan but I will deff try titanic
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