: Compensate? That guy sits on 55,7% winrate in mid, 54,5% in top, 54,4% in bot, and 52,4% in jungle. He has above 52% winrate in **every position of the game except support**! That guy needs straight nerfs, there is no way in hell he deserves any compensation whatsoever. He is absolutely busted. The nerfs they give to him are probably not enough and he has to be hit harder. A champion should not be among the top tier picks in 4 positions out of 5, it's insane.
If he is so busted why does he not see pro play? Wukong isn't busted, he hardly ever gets changes besides the recent Q buff and stat buff to compensate the Duskblade nerf. It's not Wukong the champion, it's the meta, the items, and a lot of people wanting to play squishy high damage champions right now.
Kaioko (NA)
: Have you actually played ~5 games with all other champions? At least the ones that are mechanically complicated? I thought I would hate Fiora personally being a Lux/Kayle main since season 1. Turns out her new rework has been quite fun to play.
I haven't given any of the "new" champs a go, ever. LOL, seriously though, as far back as the Ekko release when everyone played him, I didn't try it. Its just never been a thing for me. Odd I know.
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TakaDama (NA)
: Wasnt it at 70% reduced healing awhile back? I know originally it nullified all healing and they've gradually toned it down it seems.
It used to be 50% healing reduction before patch 5.22
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: > [{quoted}](name=Nosnide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Megs8Efm,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-06-23T04:01:19.624+0000) > > I don't think he needs this much damage though. He literally out trades even the duelists if they are even in gold. Uhhh Udyr was literally made to 1v1 everyone but he does lose to Yi, Fiora and Jax in late game though.
Okay I appreciate the reply. I guess it is just one of those champs you need to be very cautious of.
: Yes he deals too much damage, but he needs to deal too much damage to be viable lmao His design is really, really bad.
I don't think he needs this much damage though. He literally out trades even the duelists if they are even in gold.
: Conqueror is actually really bad on Udyr. It takes too long to charge up and only gives like 30 AD. The true damage is only really worth it on tanks. Press the Attack is still better on him. Get the 3 hits off in Tiger stance and the target will take all the damage from the Tiger stance DoT instantly and refresh the DoT while also taking the damage from the PtA proc and the 12% bonus.
Whatever it was that you just said must be what I have been feeling.
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RØNÎN (NA)
: Players without a mastery for a champion shouldnt be able to play that champion in a ranked match.
As a plus it might add on as more reason to not boost, or smurf. Always a plus.
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Dasdi96 (NA)
: I find most yi to be complete garbage late game as a burst mage can easily 100-0 him, especially since he is melee. Even if he successfully times a meditate, another teammate can finish him off.
Then maybe I had the wrong team. Unlucky me huh
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: QOL Wukong Change
Hm interesting, so you are saying you don't like the fact he can juke with the clone? {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
Cynikul (NA)
: What are you trying to show us?
A combination of Jungle, Support, and mid for 6 kills/28 deaths by 24 minutes... ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!? {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
: The most astounding thing about this to me is how casually the word "cancer" is being flung around. The epitome of cancer is dizziness, extreme nausea and internal bleeding. Where are we getting that Renekton is any of those things? RIP communication, your vehicle has been stripped for parts and recompiled into makeshift thrones for the self-styled kings of the internet.
I agree with you, but it has grown on me. It is a metaphor. I understand the real thing Is serious, I don't mean to offend...
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Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: I just go full lithality on Wukong and assassinate the enemy's carries , going tank feels useless , I don't do damage and not tanky enough
Yeah that is truly the best move. Its hard though when the renek outfarms you like crazy and on top of that your team doesn't have a lead at all. It becomes the "League of Renekton" lol
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Onecimus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nosnide,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v6JqascL,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-23T03:10:31.928+0000) > > ...The best option is to mute them yes, but it does not feel natural to do so... So, the best option is out the window because... you don't "feel" that it's "natural". You signed a thing that said you would not flame or be toxic toward people. What the people said to you is irrelevant. You even had several warnings via chat restrictions. I doesn't feel natural for Riot to let people violate the TOU that they signed.
> [{quoted}](name=Onecimus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v6JqascL,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-03-23T04:53:39.900+0000) > > So, the best option is out the window because... you don't "feel" that it's "natural". > > You signed a thing that said you would not flame or be toxic toward people. What the people said to you is irrelevant. You even had several warnings via chat restrictions. > > I doesn't feel natural for Riot to let people violate the TOU that they signed. You condescending af. Acting like you so perfect you can't relate to toxicity. Like you have never done it. GTFO of here with that shit. I understand what you are saying, but quit it with the Riot d* riding, damn TOU warrior. I appreciate your constructive criticism
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Elias1724,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qrlWb2cr,comment-id=0010000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-23T03:26:33.476+0000) > > I agree with you that top lane is in a bad place. The thing I don't agree with is the whole circlejerk revolving around the idea that top lane gets camped all the time. > > I just don't see your point about warding to be very strong at all. By warding, you sacrifice a couple of seconds of farming (and that's being generous, typically you only ward when you are pushing the lane, in which case you aren't missing out on anything). By not warding, you risk losing your entire lane due to a gank. You also risk your jungler being unable to help and gank your lane if the opponent chooses to ward, while you refuse to buy a control ward. > > You are saying that you need to come out of lane stomping to be relevant. I personally think that's a exaggeration, but I suppose I'll give it to you. My question is, why do you think a couple seconds of warding will be the difference between absolutely crushing your lane opponent and simply winning lane? It's one thing to think that, but I need you to give me some reasons as to why because I just can't see it. If you take two seconds to ward your river bush, you are missing, **_at absolute maximum_**, a few creeps and their worth in exp. When your opponent goes to ward, he is also missing that same thing. > > I'll also ask this: What's worse, having not warded and getting ganked, securing your position in uselessness, or having warded, potentially avoiding ganks, and winning lane or coming out at least even? Obviously wards won't be able to stop every single gank from happening, but they do deter the vast majority as long as you still have map awareness. Why would you bother risking being utterly useless because you think a couple seconds ward time will hurt you? > > It seems your risk vs reward is not really being properly analyzed. Here is the thing, i'm not saying that warding is the wrong decision, just that there is no good decision. If you ward and let the lane go even, you are irrelevant. If you don't ward, you are leaving yourself open to ganks to put you behind. The thing you have to understand about top lane is that there are very few opportunities to get good trades to get ahead of your opponent and after the first few trades, the other person simply backs and teleports back into lane. The only way to crush your opponent hard enough to be relevant mid and late game is to be on top of them 24/7 and squeezing out every bit of extra damage you can get from your trades. You are on a clock from the start of the game to when bot tower falls and bot lane rotates top to get far ahead of your lane opponent. If you don't, you simply do not make a difference and the game goes on to be decided by which team has the better bot lane and jungler.
Vei (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nosnide,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v6JqascL,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2018-03-23T03:28:02.047+0000) > > You must be from the suburbs. I just don't have the wired mentality of turning the other cheek to disrespect. At this point I swear endorphins rush to my brain when someone says some rude shit to me and I pop off. Its just natural I think. Everyone trying to be the bigger man is just suppressing it. Anyway I don't think the chat logs were really justifiable for a 14 day ban, but that's all perspective I guess where i am from is irrelevant if you so intensely feel the need to pop off, yell at the screen, or find another way to vent your frustration rather than typing it ingame not everyone has to suppress it, it's based on your mental way of thinking and such, so im not saying you wanting to flame back at people is unnatural and unfortunately from reading your chat logs, you were very talkative and still pretty aggressive, so you being banned isn't a surprise
> [{quoted}](name=Vei,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v6JqascL,comment-id=000300020000,timestamp=2018-03-23T03:31:06.569+0000) > > where i am from is irrelevant > > if you so intensely feel the need to pop off, yell at the screen, or find another way to vent your frustration rather than typing it ingame > > not everyone has to suppress it, it's based on your mental way of thinking and such, so im not saying you wanting to flame back at people is unnatural > > and unfortunately from reading your chat logs, you were very talkative and still pretty aggressive, so you being banned isn't a surprise You should see how "talkative" and "aggressive" that Ezreal and Thresh were. But you know what, I will heed your advice and be less "talkative" because talking is wrong, and less "aggressive" because the last thing we need is someone talking "aggressive" via the internet.
Vei (NA)
: nothing ever justifies replying to flame with more flame deserved ban
> [{quoted}](name=Vei,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v6JqascL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-23T03:20:05.791+0000) > > nothing ever justifies replying to flame with more flame > > deserved ban You must be from the suburbs. I just don't have the wired mentality of turning the other cheek to disrespect. At this point I swear endorphins rush to my brain when someone says some rude shit to me and I pop off. Its just natural I think. Everyone trying to be the bigger man is just suppressing it. Anyway I don't think the chat logs were really justifiable for a 14 day ban, but that's all perspective I guess
Luralin (NA)
: post chat logs
> [{quoted}](name=Luralin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v6JqascL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-23T03:11:22.366+0000) > > post chat logs I tried explaining whats going in in the game with the chat log. I apologize for any typos Game 1 Nosnide: wtf Nosnide: iswear i saw the tower target a minion and then swithc to me ***I ganked top and made a mistake, but got a kill assist which helped us get first turret early*** Nosnide: DARIUS PLSZZZZZZ Nosnide: PLSSSSS ***Cloned out of a Darius Ult with Wukong :)*** Nosnide: OH GOD THATS REAL POWER RIGHT THERE WTF Nosnide: recurve bow op Nosnide: no its the recurve bow ***Died to Udyr in the river. Only damage item he had was recurve bow and jg item*** Nosnide: hm ok udyr is broken, hopefully they fix him soon ***Fought him again when I got back to lane bcs he had not backed, but he was really strong, died again*** Nosnide: your mother is inting Nosnide: dont ever tell me how to build again ***Ezreal started telling the team I was inting and telling me what I should build*** ***And that I am a troll lfor playing wukong mid*** Nosnide: jsut tested my lcuk vs udyr he broken af ***Me trying to explain that dying to him earlier wasn't inting*** Nosnide: udyr man this is retarded Nosnide: now ik to put udyr on my list of bans Nosnide: i bet you gunna say that until they slay your champ Nosnide: i fed him? Nosnide: what ? Nosnide: i died to him 1v1 twice Nosnide: wtf? Nosnide: wtf? Nosnide: u bronze Nosnide: u boosted pls stfu play watch me carry u Nosnide: boosted animal giving up on a 14/15 game Nosnide: 20 mins in Nosnide: watch me ***Ezreal constantly saying I'm trolling while I was like 1/3/3*** Nosnide: muted ***Muted everyone, Ezreal and Thresh were just back to back nonstop toxic*** Nosnide: i couldnt run from him just unlucky he was there Nosnide: you guys are just salty Nosnide: obviously nv had a bad game Nosnide: you guys only have good games Nosnide: how am i inting ? Nosnide: i fought vlad and udyr poppoed out our jg and dove me Nosnide: how is that inting ? Nosnide: u mad? Nosnide: u nv lose game must be your first time Nosnide: u like a crying baby ***I unmuted a while later, unfortunately died, of course ezreal was toxic, I tried to explain what happened.*** Nosnide: but im gold lmao Nosnide: u probably silver ***Of course typical "stuc kin silver" jokes coming my way*** Nosnide: inting isnt constructive criticism Nosnide: are you brain dead? Nosnide: this ezreal and thresh are real toxic man Nosnide: must have nv lost a game Nosnide: anyway, didnt know udyr was this strong at this moment, i tested him this game, now i know Nosnide: ya duo right ? Nosnide: i bet ya are Nosnide: but i won my last 4 agmes wu mid i mean Nosnide: u jsut mad Nosnide: and talking so much out ya ass you stopped making sense Nosnide: ya must be duo Nosnide: i bet money ya duo Nosnide: check my match history next game ima win :) Nosnide: you so mad you want to try and ruin my mood? Nosnide: then u havent played league emnough Nosnide: im not even tilted XD Nosnide: lol you must be young Nosnide: you like to troll
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: Even when they're 2 tanks, just go assassin way. Wukong has no utility unless he can OS squishy. They're always at least one squishy aka adc. Thats the wukong job they're a discord link if u want (on the wu reddit), full of otps/mains Wukong (even Harambe come sometimes). > Its always a hit or miss because Wu isn't exactly an assassin EXACTLY.
Can you help me find that link to discord? And okay thanks man I appreciate all your advice ill start playing full ad again
: Can't add u... you play on Na server. But hum... : - don't build Wukong like a juggernaut (stop the BC > full tank) - Wukong only have 1 cc and its on his ult, have low base damage and big AD ratio. Thats why u need to build him full AD. For build, just look at best Wukong players http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=pissedebloos http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=dynamicgood http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=암컷원숭이 or https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/MonkeyKing/Top/ if u have other question just go there https://www.reddit.com/r/Wukongmains/new/
I know its more worth it to build full AD on him. Its cool until you realize the enemy team has 2 tanks, or a good amount of cc. Its always a hit or miss because Wu isn't exactly an assassin, but that's really the optimal way to build him. Poor champ is in lingo. I appreciate the links and all though, very helpful.
: Start by building wukong the right way
You start by building him the right way. show me how its done, add me and I will spectate
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: > [{quoted}](name=Nosnide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JMLzTw7Q,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-19T05:45:43.319+0000) > > It must sound real good in your head. Have you say put that into practice a few times in at least Gold elo? Things always sound good on paper. I haven't played vs Wukong(or played Riven recently honestly) but I remember being really annoyed whenever I had to face him. His combo is more instant than a Riven combo and he has a way to back out. When he has his ult you can't fight him because he just auto wins any 1v1 with ult if he doesn't even have a kill on you yet. Anyone that plays Wukong enough can abuse Riven, and I imagine it's that much more powerful with dark harvest/electrocute which I've been seeing on him a lot recently whenever I do see him(I'm not usually playing top at that time but he's usually wiping the floor with everyone if he has dark harvest or electrocute and he has at least one kill). They've been building more like an assassin though and been playing him in the jungle more as well.
Wu's can only do that if he can keep up on cs well once he gets items. usually at lv 11 is when he spikes bcs of the huge dmg increase to his ult. Wu is not built for 1v1s at all, and its a pain to vs a champ that is sort of all about the 1v1 such as riven
: {{champion:17}} {{item:3070}}
Sometimes, if the teemo doesn't play safe enough, and doesn't poke when he gets the opportunity. But a decent Teemo... well would Teemo you hard body
: {{champion:157}}
LULS Yasuo might actually respect wu prior to his first or second back, but he can out scales easily, and oftenly gets a lot of jungler assistance.
: Which champ has the WORST passive in the game???
Wukong {{champion:62}} You get 4 armor/MR your entire lane phase, eventually scaling to 6 and 8. At most you get 8 armor/MR in a 1v1. Oh but it does give you 40 armor/MR in a 5v5, which you only get at mid-late game.
: A potential 40 Armor and MR late game isn't nothing.
Potential 40 armor/MR... So that must be worth literally having no passive on 1v1s and the entirety of the lane phase !?? FOH
: > [{quoted}](name=Nosnide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JMLzTw7Q,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-19T04:41:08.610+0000) > > You telling me Wukong can bully Vlad the god sustain/bruiser while Wu has 0 sustain? and Riven the cheese god? Idk man I am skeptical As long as you play around their cooldowns, then definitely. Wukong's cooldowns are far shorter than either of them at early levels, meaning he can trade more often and for longer. Vlad in particular is vulnerable to this, and with the way his Q works you can see exactly when the best times to all-in are by looking at the bar beneath his HP. Rush level 2 and jump on him for tons of damage (be sure to take Electrocute). If you're top lane, abuse the bushes to avoid his Q retaliation and minion aggro. Once your cooldowns are up, do it again and ignite him for the kill. It's really that easy. Against Riven you just have to avoid fighting her in a minion wave. She has even less sustain than Wukong due to her pitiful base HP regen. Start Corrupting Pot if you're not feeling the matchup, otherwise Longsword + Pots is the way to go. Believe it or not, your attack speed is more valuable than her passive bonus early on since it scales with her bonus AD. Just keep trading autos with her at level 2 and you'll force a flash easy. Once she gets skittish, bait her stun/shield by engaging with E followed by an immediate disengage with W. Same as with Vlad, your cooldowns are lower than hers early, so abuse that and take trades whenever she wastes her abilities on minions.
It must sound real good in your head. Have you say put that into practice a few times in at least Gold elo? Things always sound good on paper.
: Anyone wukong main is scary. All squished should fear. _
Which squishy champions you know go top that fears wukong? And more squishies go mid, but wukong isn't strong mid..
: Wukong eats Vladimir for breakfast, at least in the early game. He can't even come near the cs without losing half his HP, and if you take ignite you can kill him a few times before 6 to keep him down. Riven is a matchup I've found easy as well. Levels 1 and 2 she simply can't out-trade you because of the massive attack speed gain from E. As long as you don't Q into her shield like a dumbass, the matchup will always be in your favor. I find him to be even more effective in mid lane these days because of all the squishy mages and assassins you face there. He actually does quite well into Malzahar pre-6 because you can Q him from long range to get his passive down then all-in when he burns his E on the wave.
You telling me Wukong can bully Vlad the god sustain/bruiser while Wu has 0 sustain? and Riven the cheese god? Idk man I am skeptical
: I GOT OUT OF BRONZE V FINALLY!!!
Ahem, Ill boost, ahem*
: A potential 40 Armor and MR late game isn't nothing.
Not nothing, just useless in 1v1, all lane phase etc.
: Don't know if you have been paying attention but every game is a coin flip between whether you get actual competent team or players who are tilted off their asses. Promos are just like any other game.
I don't know I think while at promos you tend to get bad teams more frequently. Perhaps it is just the stress it puts on people. Or maybe it is because some of those people have lost their promos previously so they get tilted as soon as they feel they are about to lose the match.
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: are you talking about ranked queues? Also just because someone has a below 50% win rate, that doesn't necessarily mean you'll lose the game. Statistics are just that; statistics. Maybe spend less time complaining about your teammates and more time playing if you actually want to play the game. If not don't even bother queuing and wasting everyone else's time.
Statistics are downplayed since when? Since when did statistics stop meaning anything? Lol.
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: > My last game I played Wukong into a Nasus. Hi fellow monkey. WTf are u doing with your ban ?? > About 10 minutes in my bot lane was winning super hard, mid lane was doing just fine, and the Nasus top is pushed up against my tower straight up chilling. hum... So... "SHUT UP" !!! Thats what all toplaners would say to you. Just wait for u mates to crush bot and take the tower, farm to stay revelant and then ask for a swap. Would so glad to have game like u. Take tiamat when Nasus become stronger than u.
yeah I understand what you are saying. It was the fact I was tilted, and the jger never seems to care about lending a hand. I could have won that easy if I let myself be carried. It was my fault we lost, and there is no doubt about that. Its just frustrating, or at least it feels that way right now. I am just going to focus playing other games, League just isn't fun for me at the moment
: Comprehensive list of CertainlyT champions who have not been balancing nightmares at any point.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Riot actually thinks akali laning pattern "isnt strong enough" to deal with most laners
Its always good to main the champs that Riot plays favoritism with. Too bad I don't have such luck
SuperHornio (EUNE)
: CertainlyT the Akali creator
Akali plays are cringe af. The spam of invis, the triple flash jumps, and insane burst plus sustain..
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