: > [{quoted}](name=NotaRobot1006,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kAzK7may,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-17T01:10:55.076+0000) > > And now they can't really drop any of those plot points in Big Reveals because they've been sitting on them for too long. Everybody already knows, so Kass being like "No, I AM your father" to Kai'Sa is going to get zero audience reaction. > > We been knew, Riot. Then don't. Just accept that the community knows, confirm it, move on. Show me the aftermath of these characters finding out. Show me how Caitlyn reacts to finding out that they're siblings. Show me how Kassadin reacts to finding out that his daughter is not only alive but went down the same path he did. Fuck it, show me a romcom of Garen and Kat trying to hide their romance. The reveal is no longer the interesting part. What comes after and how the world changes around these characters is.
That would be a great solution AND it would be really good lore progression.
: Psst, Riot: WE GET IT.
And now they can't really drop any of those plot points in Big Reveals because they've been sitting on them for too long. Everybody already knows, so Kass being like "No, I AM your father" to Kai'Sa is going to get zero audience reaction. We been knew, Riot.
: Who would win aatrox vs mord?
Aatrox is a pretty big dude, but he's made out of meat so he'd be at least somewhat buoyant. Plus he could reshape his body to swim faster. Morde, on the other hand, is so darn heavy and metal he'd have to walk along the bottom of the pool, so he'd take way longer to get across. I'm giving this one to Aatrox. Oh, you mean like a _fight_ .
Arakadia (NA)
: Before Hecarim was a terrible person he was an honorable warrior though.
Briefly, yes, but by the time he showed up to the Blessed Isles where the altars are he was well into "terrible person" territory.
: New Mordekaiser Interaction in the Twisted Treeline
'Cause it's old. It's also got quotes to Hecarim telling him "Remember who you once were," except with his current lore who he once was was a terrible, terrible person.
: Qiyana is a Deliciously Villainous Protagonist and I am HERE for it
She's a wretched menace and I greatly appreciate that.
: I want to see a story of Morde recruiting Hecarim or Karthus to his army so badly.
Hecarim's sole goal in unlife is slaughter, so he wouldn't be too hard to convince. And he wouldn't be too hard to overpower either given how many times Kalista and Ledros have pulled it off. Karthus, on the other hand, has very specific ideas on what unlife should be like. He disapproves of Thresh keeping souls in a lantern, so he's definitely not going to be a fan of Morde turning them into bricks. Which means they'd probably fight. Which would be _so cool._ I'd put my money on Morde winning since he's basically a self-made god, but Karthus somehow managed to get a _mobile haunted building_ in his posse if that map art's anything to go by, so he'd definitely put up a heck of a fight. Dang it, now I want to see it too.
: I always thought they just sat around playing cards with Morde until his eventual resurrection
There's a lot of souls in that realm, though.... "No, it's _my_ turn to play Uno with the boss! Your turn's _next_ Monday." It'd probably be easier if the darn cards would stop wailing.
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: PBE Update: Demacia Vice Garen & Lucian
I, for one, welcome our new neon overlords. They blend tacky with fantastic amazingly well.
: Aren't Kayn and Rhaast partners? Without each other, they aren't a champion. Both are integral parts of the kit. Without Rhaast, Kayn is nothing.
Without Rhaast, Kayn is is a copyright-friendly Sasuke Uchiha.
: I agree, a little reason as to how he became a crazy bloodthirsty snark machine would be great. Was he always a bloodthirsty maniac and did his Ascension emphasize that? Or did it come after the Void war? What was he like that he was respected enough to be allowed to ascend? I know people say Rhaast can be a little one-note, but we just don't know that much about him. I think some back story and some development of his relationship with Kayn could remedy this. Do Kayn become somewhat close despite their nasty rivalry? What does he think of Kayn other than his value as a host? Will his opinion change over time? From their dialogue you almost get the feeling that Rhaast kind of likes some of Kayn's behaviors, even though he effectively wants him dead. Kayn almost feels glad to have someone validate him, even if its an awful person like Rhaast. There's a lot of potential there. Rhaast is as much a Champion as Kayn. You have the potential to play as him and only him. It only makes sense that he gets some lore more focused on him.
Plus one of the reasons Rhaast is so one-note is BECAUSE he has no lore. It's a bit hard to get depth out of a guy when all you know about his origin is "wanted to kill Xuuyan."
: Possible Directions for Cho’Gath in the Lore.
Whoa. I love the different forms you have for each interpretation of Cho'Gath. My favorite's either the first one for the detail about how and why he speaks, or the last one for the evolution of his name and how the eyes peeking out from inside his armor call to mind all the other Voidborn he's eaten.
: I feel varus is incredibly out of place and tacked on Also some mild inconsistencies, like aatrox can take over a host in like a second while rhaast is not only taking years, he has the very real chance of losing and dying..... THE VERY THING AATROX WANTS Sloppy writing honestly
It's been confirmed that Kayn winning would send Rhaast into a temporary dormant state, not kill him. Plus Aatrox has been playing this host game for a long time, while Rhaast is still working on the first. Aatrox has more experience dominating hosts so he can pull it off very quickly.
Jaspers (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nQcamkEG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-14T20:17:36.039+0000) > > Rhaast and Kayne have never interested me. I don’t have anything to say about them. Rhaast is a legit fantastic character, the idea that trapped in this weapon is a monster out for one thing, killing. When they were from the other world, a party of invaders who were trapped on a world not their home, after their people were nearly wipped out it made sense for him to be this monster, craving to get out to get revenge. I honestly cannot see how this guy was worthy of Ascension. Ever.
Because he might not have always been that monstrous. He's axe-crazy NOW because centuries of fighting in general plus fighting the Void plus all the nasty stuff that went down when the Darkin were fighting each other plus over a thousand years trapped in a scythe-shaped torture chamber do not equal a well-adjusted person. But before all of that went down, it's entirely possible he started out as a mostly decent guy. Heck, look at Aatrox. He was an outright hero of an Ascended before he fell. But unlike Aatrox, we only have the "after" pic for Rhaast. The "before" pic could easily have been a person worthy to Ascend.
: Overall what did you all think of the Darkin Lore Update?
I like the lore we got. Shame that only 2/3rds of the Darkin got updated lore in the Darkin lore update, though.
: Can you imagine her calling Annie's magic primitive? The girl is 12 years old...
Heck, she seems even younger in the game if you go by her VO. But yes, I can absolutely see Qiyana being ridiculously condescending toward an actual, literal child.
: Meh. It feels way too exagerated. If what you enjoy is listening to Riot making "arrogant work", just listen to {{champion:136}} 's 20 minutes of special interactions, he actually has personality beyond "You bad me good"
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: Imo I never found any hints of Mordekaiser trying to be a savior at all. He was a conqueror and warlord in life, taking what he wanted by force and bringing what he conquered to heel. Now he's just doing it in the afterlife. He doesn't seem to have ever wanted to save anyone in life nor their souls in death, just subjugate it as a part of his empire.
Trying, no. Claiming, absolutely. His VO has him bragging about how he's all that stands between everyone and oblivion and preserving everything by breaking the cycle. The issue is that he leaves out how much his alternative also sucks, so anyone who knows anything about his Death Realm would know he's full of it.
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man of tin (EUNE)
: An object? So you're saying I can't take a poro with me. :(
Take a Poro Snack. Poros will follow you across reality. Our universe becomes snuggly.Problem solved.
Hvsao (NA)
: I guess a diet of rats and bugs while being chained to a rock that drains magic is actually really good for health.
You know how Demacia's got a lot of farmland? Well it's so fertile that even the rats grow large and full of protein. They're like fluffy little fitness shakes.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheMan292,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=maTq8gGX,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-03T22:34:07.938+0000) > > probably Scion's mindless state going away in battle to reveal a man who dreads what he has become and just wants the rest he deserves. Sounds like you stole that description from Aatrox
No, that's totally Sion. His VO's got some really juicy introspective bits where he reflects on what he is and laments that he can't feel anything but hunger.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: Some ideas about Vilemaw (a lot of text)
That's a fantastic essay. I think my favorite interpretation of Vilemaw is that of an originally benevolent knowledge-based spirit god who got turned into a ravenous but intelligent monster by the Ruination. Probably because it's both tragic and horrifying, which are the two cornerstones of everything Shadow Isles. Anyway, fantastic takes overall.
: Give me a random lore bit for your favorite character
Before his lore update tragically deleted this vital detail, they put a knife in {{champion:14}}'s head and it made him smarter.
: There is no heaven. (in the lore)
There's an official tweet confirming [multiple Runeterran afterlives.](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1134491111404081152?s=19) My guess is that Morde went to the (or a) Bad Place either because he ended up unworthy of the Hall of Bones specifically or because he was unworthy in general of a good afterlife on account of all the murder and tyranny.
Lewanor (NA)
: It is basically and specially noted that there might be multiple afterlifes. And there is. Mordekaiser didn't get what he wanted because all he did in his life was bringing pain. In the end, he got oblivion as reward.
Expanding on that, [here's a link to a Rioter tweet](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1134491111404081152?s=19) that confirms multiple afterlives. So odds are some if not most Runeterrans will be okay in the end. And the rest...well, Illaoi's lore is all about reincarnation. Maybe the really nasty folks are the ones that get sent back to earn a better beyond once they fade from the Gray Depression Zone.
Ralanr (NA)
: The tragedy of Sion's bio is that Sion is no longer a tragic character.
You raise a lot of valid points. Some of my favorite Sion lines are the more reflective ones, and I would have liked to see more of the reason behind that reflection in his bio. I guess I count as a Sion main, for what it's worth. He's my first (and thus far only) M7.
d00mface (EUW)
: An interesting detail I noticed about Aatrox...
You're right though, Doom. It makes a lot of sense for him not to want to see what he's become.
: Here's Morde's theme
Oh that's fantastic.
: Sion's New Bio and the Disconnect Between Community Identity and Author's Intent of Characterization
That was a really well done essay. I liked the quotes you put in there (and dang do I _wish_ those unused quotes made it in) to support your points. I was super hyped for Sion to get any new lore, but you bring up a lot of valid points. There's less tragedy to him now that he's basically exactly the same dead as he was alive. I also hope Riot can bring some of that depth back.
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot mChao,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GuvErsoT,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-05-30T08:04:42.354+0000) Now, he has amassed an army of souls, collected powerful arcane knowledge, and has plans and machinations in place... I wonder what Morde would make of the wraiths of the Shadow Isles. Would he see champions like Hecarim as useful knights for his own undead hordes? Would he take Karthus in like a Sith Lord taking in his apprentice? Or are the the Shadow Isles akin to a nuclear disaster zone that needs to be more tamed like a wild animal than recruited to his army?
> Would he take Karthus in like a Sith Lord taking in his apprentice? "Rise, my new apprentice. Henceforth you shall be known as Darth Karthus. No wait...Darthus."
Pale Mask (EUW)
: Mordekaiser Special Interactions
Morde's VO seems to have been inspired by Veigar. 'cause it's SHORT.
: Sion was the leader of Noxus before Darkwill, or only the leader of a war band?
Just a war band, I think. He doesn't strike me as the political ruler type.
: The same bio claims that there might be multiple afterlife realms, so your conclusion isn't necessarily true.
I noticed that upon rereading it, good point. Maybe Olaf's still got a shot at glorious not-Valhalla.
: Hmm, they fix a lot of the worldbuilding. But I kind of liked the bit that Darkwill wanted to resurrect his friend, and Sion was loyal to someone. It gave him more character than just zombie Hulk.
That's fair, I do kind of miss the Darkwill connection.
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: Headless Mordekaiser, does it mean something?
Back before his lore update that's coming out tomorrow, Morde's fall was engineered by someone stealing his skull. He needed his full skeleton assembled to be revived by his minions, so the missing skull prevented that. Vlad's headless Mordekaiser fountain is a huge middle finger to Mordekaiser by commemorating his downfall.
: Montrous Potential 1: Cho'Gath and Chaoskampf
Wow, that was a fantastic breakdown. I especially like the part about the use of speech and language. I agree, a monster that speaks to you as it tears your comrades apart is far more terrifying than one that simply growls. I would love to see more of the minds of our Voidborn champs.
: In Morde's new joke he literally swats a Poro away
How DARE he... That's it, he's out-eviled the whole planet in one Poro toss.
: Shadows of damnation story
Even if it's not on Universe, you should still be able to find it on the League Wiki. They save old stories. [Here's the current link to it.](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Shadows_of_Damnation)
: New stories and bios - Yuumi, yordles, and Draven!
Damn, poor Tamara and Draven ended up escorting the Legendary Noxian Red Shirt Brigade. I think it might be contagious. Though I did like that none of the Noxians actually seemed to _die_, I appreciate the cutesy cartoon-style violence Tristana and Lulu pulled.
: ?? Demacia hates mages, they don't hate magical materials as they often use such materials and likely that cloth is special, don't believe me? galio, garens sword, vaynes weapon, xins spear, and others. In fact this cloth seems commonly used in armor designs for demacia like fiora's outfit sona's and even garen incorporates the materials usage. edit: in fact they have an entire magic library, they don't hate magic things just magic people.
I can buy magic tights. Hell, it worked for Kayle. But if you can just handwave stuff like that with magic, who's to say the heels aren't magic too? Maybe they're made out of some material that bends biology and physics to be comfortable and practical.
Rebonack (NA)
: Tianna Crownguard boots are trancendantly awful
I'm going with ceremonial for an explanation, too. She also seems to be wearing nothing but tights on her inner thighs. You know, where her femoral arteries are. It's gotta just be ceremonial.
: Pls pls pls tell me when does the rework get released/revealed or any exciting official info or a video or anything about his rework.
Sorry, I got nothin' new. [Here's April's roadmap.](https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-gb/2019/04/champion-roadmap-april-2019/) It's got a fancy new mace and a few lore snippets.
: A League Universe I created(related to battlecast)
Whoa. You've clearly put a lot of thought into this and it's paid off. I like your take on Creator Viktor as invention turned inventor.
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